Dear KAG: 20200917 Constitution Day Open Thread, BOOM BOOM BOOM

Moving today’s musical theme up ahead of what Que brought us yesterday.

It was one boom after another. Here’s the highlights (IMO, of course). The full set of drops, including the exposition of Anitfa’s “Climate Change” in the back of a pick-up can be viewed here.

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Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 338ebd No.10668751 
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Add it all up.
1. Virus
2. Riots [organized _ANTIFA]
3. Fires
The ‘Why’:

Make no mistake, they will not concede on Election Night.
Make no mistake, they will contest this legally in battleground states.
Make no mistake, they will project doubt in the election results
Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design
Playbook known.
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The media is complicit.
‘Fact checkers’ created to reinforce the same narrative [propaganda] they themselves created.
Social media censor-terminate-silence anti-narrative accounts.
Echo.
System of control.
Mission: keep the public controlled and in the dark
Information warfare.
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Why did it take an ‘outsider’ to finally deliver the ‘start’ of peace in the middle east?
Why did it take an ‘outsider’ to finally deliver the ‘start’ of peace in the middle east?
News coverage? Front page(s)?
Missile strike(s) _attempt to terminate?
Peace doesn’t sell.
WAR [fear] does.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Evil and corruption @ highest levels.
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And just like that, what the red-pilled have known for quite some time went mainstream.

But that’s not all. From Fox News:

The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation….

The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith – who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham’s review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign – among others.

The committee further authorized subpoenas for “the production of all records” related to the FBI’s original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General’s probe, as well as the process of “unmasking” for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.

And then the stellar reporter of the swamp tweeted:

For being hump day, Wednesday was quite a day.

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As usual, this is the daily thread, the place to put all information that needs to be out there – Q drops, Q drop decodes, riot information, rumors about MAGA rallies starting up again, news flashes, Chy-na flu updates, fashionable mask photos, satire, memes, and of course cute animal videos.

In the meantime, the short and sweet version of “THE RULES” is here borrowed from Tuesday:

Guidelines for posting and discussion on this site were outlined by our host, WolfM00n. Please, review them from time to time.

The discourse on this site is to be CIVIL – no name calling, baiting, or threatening others here is allowed. Those who are so inclined may visit Wolf’s other sanctuary, the U-Tree, to slog it out.

This site is a celebration of the natural rights endowed to humans by our Creator as well as those enshrined in the Bill of Rights adopted in the founding documents of the United States of America. Within the limits of law, how we exercise these rights is part of the freedom of our discussion.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Since it is almost the weekend, the reminders are in place to not swing from the chandeliers, wash your hands and face, and be nice to the liberals whether they deserve it or not. Making your bed, OTOH, is optional.

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LUKE 9:23-26

23And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake, he will save it. 25For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? 26For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

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I don’t remember who found this…Butterfly, Duchess, somebody like that…but it deserves another spin.

There were SO MANY parody songs this week, it was hard to choose.

649 thoughts on “Dear KAG: 20200917 Constitution Day Open Thread, BOOM BOOM BOOM

  1. Speaking of booms…

    Ma sure knew how to disperse the troublemakers that showed up at her property. She reminds me of some of the feisty gals who post here. (you know who you are) 😉

    Language warning: some mild cussing by Ma
    (2:26)

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    1. Both explosions happened right beside a road = easy getaway.

      I was thinking sabotage when the first one happened here in OK.
      Then…the second one happened.
      😒

      Once is maybe an accident, maybe.

      But TWO in one night?
      That’s no coincidence.

      This gets the full side eye from me:

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        1. Same here.
          Still “investigating” to see how it happened.

          A couple of utility poles nearby, were “burning from the inside out”.
          😳😕
          Which firefighters thought was “strange”.

          Huge crater. Big hole blown in the pipeline.

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    1. Paine must’ve meant Biden “threatens”, not “warns”.

      It a “Nice country ya got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.” threat to all of America.

      Typical liberal “do as I say, or else”.

      The last time this happened was when the slave holding states started the 1st Civil War. Trust me, those who survived that nightmare lived to regret it.

      FACT: Sherman, during his Great march, went very light and easy on them. He could have shot and/or hanged every single non-Unionist for sedition and treason.

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            1. More seriously, one time he walked across the keyboard and about twenty empty new tabs opened on my browser. I had no idea there was a key combo to do that. I generally have to lift him off the keyboard (or at least lift one foot) to avoid something bad happening…particularly if I’m trying to type a comment.

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  2. Nevada backs off on HCQ – do they know something is coming? Sisolak in CYA mode…..

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    1. yesterday was a travel day for us–200 miles (one way) just to see my primary doctor for a check up. 4 hours on the road, then I get to the office–get checked in–and waited another HOUR for the doc…sigh

      anyway I got a chance to ask his opinion of HCQ and whether or not he’d prescribe it for us if we tested positive. He immediately said no–too many side effects long term–like liver and kidney damage. I said really? what about all the people taking it for Lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or malaria? they take it for months–we’re talking 2 weeks for covid. amazingly enough he got beeped at that moment and stepped out of the exam room for a second.

      however, one positive thing: in our trip, we saw probably 100-125 TRUMP 2020 signs along the roads and highways and only saw 1 Biteme sign as we approached inner city where the doc is.

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        1. i have a hard time with doctors–it took a long time for me to be comfortable with this one. I do not agree with everything he suggests and he knows that I don’t–he doesn’t give me a hard time with choices that I make for the most part.
          as for the traveling, that’s where my family is, so traveling isn’t usually an issue–but we did it all in one day this time so it was difficult.

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      1. GOOD for you, Pat, to challenge the doc about other illnesses using HCQ long-term! Bet that hasn’t happened before. Saved by the “beep”, he was. BTW, never had a doctor stepping out of the room when in the middle of an exam.

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        1. hubby and I were discussing our “exams” of late. the “nurse” takes blood pressure, weighs me (I blamed the extra pounds on the mask…lol), gets our heart rate and does an A1c. when the doc comes in, we chat, he listens to my lungs and boom we’re done.
          while that is not a lot, I’m still not sure how any of that can be accomplished virtually…

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          1. “The A1C test measures your average blood sugar level for the past two to three months.” — Mayo Clinic.

            “A home blood glucose test is a safe and affordable way for people to check for diabetes before it causes problems. “https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317224

            OR

            Just stay the heck away from sugar and starches like breads, pasta, corn… Cinnamon will moderate insulin spiking in pre-diabetic hypoglycemia
            2008 Chromium and polyphenols from cinnamon improve insulin sensitivity
            Also NATURAL THERAPIES: Cinnamon and Diabetes
            https://www.diabetes.co.uk/natural-therapies/cinnamon.html

            Get a blood pressure cuff and take your own blood pressure & pulse.
            Get a stethoscope and you can both practice listening to normal lungs.
            Get a Pulse-oximeter. This one allows you to SEE the heartbeat so you can tell if there is arrhythmia.

            Blood pressure cuff – $29.99 & up
            Stethoscope – $9.39 & up
            Pulse-oximeter -$49.99 & up
            (Every home should probably have these basics.)

            Verio Blood Glucose Monitoring System (Needs ongoing supplies) — $28.99

            …..

            Weigh your self first thing in the morning before you eat.

            If you keep a record of these statistics it is probably more helpful to your D. than a once a year check. It also helps YOU figure out what foods/natural remedies do what to your body. (OK so I am a retired lab rat. 🤣 )

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            1. i tried to give up foods that spike my sugar…it made me nasty and wanna eat them more.
              I do much better balancing my “treats” with additional exercise to combat the spike.

              I hafta say tho…nurse took my blood pressure when i first got there…it was 110 over 70. perfect for me.
              when the doc came in an hour later, he said …looks like your BP is great. I said…wanna check it NOW?????

              I admire people who can eat only the good things…I can’t. so I compromise with added exercise.

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              1. Do not forget to add FAT and PROTEIN and a cinnamon tab if you are going to eat treats.

                Russell Stover has some yummy sugar free candies (EXPENSIVE!) and so does Atkins.

                For starch I use rice (Long grain brown if I can get it.) Rice does not have the impact other starches do and is digested further along the intestines. It also cleans out the ‘bad bugs’ You can get spaghetti noodles and such. Just do not cook too long!

                I have found the super dark chocolate from Trader Joes satisfies my cravings with only 5 carbs per square. If I do not have my CHOCOLATE, I too get nasty and hungry.

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              2. When I first went paleo about 10 years ago, the first 72 hours were the hardest for cravings. After that, I was dizzy for about three weeks which is normal for converting to fat burning.

                Honestly, so long as you have protein any time you eat carbs it should balance.

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              3. You can buy your own home A1C test monitor from about $55-100 plus test strips, which you only need to test once every 12 weeks, more often is not necessary. These are on Amazon, Walmart, drug stores. A good blood pressure monitor is the battery powered wrist cuff type. Make sure to hold the cuff over your heart with a very relaxed arm for the best readings.

                Most likely the person than weighs you, measures vital signs, and any type of blood work are not Registered Nurses but $15/hr medical assistants. They are certified after a 6 month course. The title Nurse is a protected title by the state Nursing boards same as medical boards for physicians. These medical assistants often usurp the title nurse. Asking them questions that a Nurse with 4 yrs of training should be answering, not a medical assistant, is not recommended. Even a question such as is that a “good” blood pressure, should not be answered by the medical assistant, and their response should be “check with the doctor.” They can’t even tell you if a rapid Strip test is positive or negative.

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              4. I figured I was wrong on her actual title, but didn’t exactly know what to call them either. I know she’s not a PA…the PA in the office has that designation on her name tag…

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          2. It can’t be done virtually… Not really, not quality, hands on care.

            I had to have a telehealth “visit” this week (because the sleep specialty practice isn’t doing in office visits until next year. COVID, you know) to get yearly prescription for CPAP supplies. Before the MD contact, the office called my phone and asked a couple of basic questions, med changes, and how do I feel. They also asked my weight, and vital signs. I know them – I’m a nurse, I have the monitoring equipment, so I gave them the data. Then I asked if I could charge them for the taking my vitals. I don’t think she was amused.

            Anyway, Smart phone failed to allow video/audio access, so it ended up just being a phone call. No problem, MD nice. Was going to send new order in (only good for a year for those who may not know how the CPAP racket works). At the end of the call, I looked at details – call lasted 5 min 40 sec. BTW, 2 days later the equipment company still had to contact MD office for the order! Never got sent.

            For that, they’re charge a regular visit to my insurance company. There’s a push for telehealth (which I believe has a place, but only in few situations. Last time I saw this MD was 09/19, won’t see him again until 09/21 – it will be a total of 2 yrs without physical contact.

            Since Big Business took over health care, given the final push with the ACA, real care has all but disappeared – we have techi stuff, but desensitized and depersonalized “care.” Now the practices are making a mint on 5 minute telehealth visits.

            What a racket, welcome to the new health “care” model. I’m so last century. 🙂

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            1. ever since the disaster (ocare), visits with my doc are less about me and more about inputting crap into the computer.
              every visit I decline the flu shot…decline test a, b, c or d (you know because i’m x amount of yrs old I SHOULD have this test or that test) and I patiently (HAHA pun intended) tell them that I am happy doing what I’m doing and do not want more tests.
              if I got a concern, I’m an adult and will address it–till then I’m good.

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              1. Good for you, pat. You’re strong. Obamacare destroyed what was left of personalized medicine. One of my good friends, who I got into see my specialist, bluntly asked him if he was going to just sit there and type into the computer or listen to her. She’s not shy.

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              2. we have an agreement, my doc and me. he prescribes what he thinks will be good for me. I will research it myself and IF I think it’s a good thing, I’ll fill the script…I never let him just give me a med…
                when I first met my doc, I told him, my goal is to live to be 100. I’m not asking for your opinion on that–just whether or not you can be on board with helping me towards that goal. if you don’t think it’s doable or can’t see me getting there…I’ll get another doctor. I drive the car–you’re just the mechanic…LOL

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              3. Dear Pat, They have to offer those tests, etc, because if they don’t and don’t record the the declination, they need to for risk management of the malpractice insurance, Medicare, and private health insurance company. For example if an annual breast exam & mammogram isn’t offered and the patient gets breast cancer, guess who could get sued and dropped as provider for Medicare?

                All the declinations become electronic statistics for the health care systems and for the CDC Healthy People 2020 (updated yearly). All the electronic health records have hard stops (must be answered) in the record to capture this information. There are prompts for preventive care depending on the patient’s age. Medicare is really big on offering preventive care.

                To clarify my position, I don’t like the industrial health care in the US and especially, evidenced based medicine. We are not all one size fits all. The health care system should spend money on genetic testing of people, which can tell much about the future health status of a person. For example, testing for the BRACA 1 & BRACA 2 gene for breast cancer. Also genetic testing for predisposition for colon cancer. Genetic testing how one responds to pharmaceuticals. Some people get all the side effects because of genes, some people no effect from the meds, and some do well. There are genes how you respond to statins, blood pressure meds, blood thinners, depression meds, and antibiotics. Lots of medical trial and error would be avoided and people ending up in the ICU with renal failure because of response to a “well tolerated” drug.

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      2. I have to say this, it isn’t about you, Pat, it is about all of us.

        I am STUNNED by the bullshit we the people put up with from doctors!

        This guy is PAID by you. Our doctors WORK FOR US. We listen to them, doing what they say, even when we KNOW they are WRONG!

        Something in this model has to change. I am tired of taking “no” for an answer, when I know the doctor is full of shit.

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        1. I agree with you, Aubergine….at this point I pretty much “interview” my doctors as though I was hiring them…because in many ways, I am. I am health-educated enough that insist on being a partner in the management of my health care. And, in my experience, the really good doctors welcome this.
          OTOH, I am a good “patient/partner”….I go to my appointments totally prepared…a list of questions, anything new or different from the previous time, etc., what meds that are up for renewal and if there’s anything better on the market, etc.
          When I “hired” my current primary doctor I asked and he agreed to assume responsibility for all of my meds…that includes little things like oils and ointments for minor annoyances, itching eyelids, skin, restless legs, etc…..primarily so they are all in one spot, but also to eliminate unnecessary doctor appointment to merely get them refilled. That, IMO, is a practical partnership …very much like the old-time family doctor or even dentists before all the “specialists” came into the picture.
          And, BTW, your statement about doctors could very easily be said about our elected leaders and even government agencies!

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        2. Which is why an experienced seasoned Nurse Practitioner will provide you with excellent holistic care over a doctor’s care. All doctors should be forced to watch a season of “Doctor Pimple Popper” with an exam at the end to learn how to have an excellent “bedside” manner.

          I am always crossing swords with doctors involved in my personal health care, starting with that most medical assistants do not measure a blood pressure properly.

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        1. I agree.
          I tried to set up a virtual visit with my family doc (instead of traveling) and I was told I couldn’t because I didn’t have an ipad or a smart phone.
          I have a laptop and a kindle–none of those will work???

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            1. We downloaded the app for the Big Business health monoply, but then couldn’t get the phone to allow video – could not figure it out. Fortunately, the MD just went ahead and called me. See my story upthread of talking to my sleep disorder MD.

              Welcome to the even more depersonalized “care” model.

              PS. It’s not wonder they got rid of all the RNs in MD offices, now a tech or LPN is all they use. Too bad, RNs used to help patients in many ways – and saved patients, along with saving physicians – time.

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              1. That’s not good. People who have blood pressure issues, and older folks should certainly have their B/P checked. You probably already know that pharmacies have free blood pressure check stations, or you can get a home kit. They’re usually reliable. Check your B/P – at various times at first – and then settle into a consistent time check, and body position as well.

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              2. The intake person that does vitals, reviews the meds, and ask about symptoms, are medical assistants for about $15/hr. There may be one Registered Nurse in a medium sized office, large clinics might have 2-4 Registered Nurses, the rest are medical assistants. Skilled nursing facilities has one Registered Nurse per area, the rest are LPNs for “meds pass” and Certified Nursing Assistants for patient care.

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    2. Has PDT ever directed We the People the wrong way in 4 years as POTUS? The DS and evil scum – yes. He uses disinformation and misdirection all of the time. We the People – nope. He said HCQ, z-pac, zinc early on. So that is the answer on therapeutics. Period. Which is why all of the DS and leftists officials went 180 degrees away from it.

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  3. ” The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation….

    The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith – who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham’s review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign – among others.

    The committee further authorized subpoenas for “the production of all records” related to the FBI’s original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General’s probe, as well as the process of “unmasking” for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.”

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    They can authorize subpoenas all the way to Jupiter and back, and it won’t make any difference, because they have no power to COMPEL.

    If all of the people above are subpoenaed, and not a single one of them complies and shows up, what is the Senate Homeland security Committee going to do?

    Are they going to indict anybody?

    No.

    Are they going to strap on a gun and go arrest anybody?

    No.

    Are they going to prosecute anybody?

    No.

    Will anything at all happen to anyone who refuses to comply with the subpoena?

    No.

    So why would any of the active coup (or ‘color revolution’) participants comply with the Senate subpoenas?

    They wouldn’t, and they won’t, because they don’t have to, because there is no penalty for non-compliance.

    And just like that, the Senate Homeland Security Committee was completely irrelevant…

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      1. I’m with you. Durham must be done – where it was okay for the dog and pony hearings to commence. These people aren’t going to be saying anything anyway – on the advice of their lawyers.

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      2. “Hearings apply pressure to the crims, as well as provide them further opportunities to screw up….change stories, contradict one another, throw others under the bus, lie to Congress, etc..”

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        I understand, but it doesn’t matter.

        That’s the whole thing.

        We’re in the 4th year of this nonsense.

        And before that, we went through 8 years of Hussein, with the IRS investigation (lovely Lois Lerner), Benghazi (lovely Hitlery Clinton), Fast & Furious gun-running (Eric ‘Shaft’ Holder), and others I can’t even remember now.

        It’s not more investigation that is needed, we’re so far past that, it’s like trying to make the audience sit through the opening scene of a movie again, when they’ve already sat through 72 hours and 36 intermissions.

        It’s like SD’s updates on new felonies discovered related to FISA-gate every day. There is already enough evidence to execute these traitors a thousand times over. It’s a cartoon at this point, and has been, for years now.

        It’s like having Jeffrey Dahmer on videotape murdering 25 different people, cutting them up in little pieces, putting the meat in his freezer, and occasionally cooking some of it for a snack.

        What point (not to mention justice) is served by providing him opportunities to murder victim number 26?

        More investigation isn’t necessary. More hearings aren’t necessary. More evidence, isn’t necessary.

        There is only one thing that is necessary.

        The one thing that is necessary, the thing which is needful, is the thing which they will not do.

        Arrest.

        Stop the criminals, who are, at this very moment, fully engaged in the highest Treason ever committed, even from directly within the very government, and by former presidential candidates (Hitlery), former directors of the C_A, former directors of the FIB, and most particularly, the immediately previous president of the United States.

        They are engaged in a daily assault on our nation, a ‘color revolution’, against the United States of America. For nearly FOUR YEARS running, and they will continue another four years, until or unless anybody physically STOPS them.

        What is needed is arrest.

        Everything else is kabuki.

        In fact, the longer this goes on, it’s not the criminals who are being (further) exposed. We have long since past the time when the criminals can be exposed any further than they already are.

        It is the just-us system which is being exposed now.

        The bad guys are already dead to rights.

        It’s the supposed ‘good guys’ who will not do their job, who will not enforce the law, who will not make arrests, no matter how heinous the crimes, no matter whether the perpetrators are even this very moment IN THE ACT.

        It’s like a 4-year long bank robbery in progress. The entire bank is filled with people (the American People) who have been taken hostage. Real people (Americans) are dying, being executed by the bank the robbers. For 4 years.

        The prosecutors and the police drive right past the bank robbery in progress every day on their way to work, and again on their way home in the evening.

        Some days the robbers throw a lifeless murdered body out in the street, right in front of the prosecutor’s car, DARING him to do anything about it, but he just casually drives around it and continues on his way.

        When the bank robbers realized that nobody cared if the murdered everybody in the bank, and nobody cared if they took all the money in the bank, they decided to make the bank their headquarters, and just stay there, and use the bank as a meeting place to recruit new criminals and take new hostages whenever any citizen has the misfortune to walk into that particular bank.

        After four years, they have broken into the bank security system and infiltrated other banks all over the world, they’re taking everything, and growing exponentially, subverting governments all around the globe.

        Nobody cares.

        The police and the prosecutors drive right by Traitor Headquarters twice a day, every day. They know what the traitors are doing, they’ve always known. They don’t care. If they were going to care, they would have cared long before now. How can anyone think they care, when murdered hostages litter the street outside the bank?

        So now comes another hearing or congressional investigation to look into the propriety of former administration officials and known bad actors robbing banks and murdering hostages.

        Why?

        What’s the point?

        The very same government, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, chaired by Marco Rubio because Senator Richard Burr’s criminality became to obvious, is actively withholding documents from other Republican investigators as we speak.

        The level of ‘farce’ is off the charts.

        If there is anyone left to ‘investigate’, it is the investigators.

        It is the DoJ and the FIB, because they have all the evidence any investigator and prosecutor could ever hope for, a million times over.

        And they just drive right past that bank robbery in progress every single day.

        Even when the bodies of murdered Americans are thrown right in front of their cars as they drive past.

        Where is the Congressional hearing about that?

        And what would be the point, anyway?

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      1. “Just doing the subpoenas sets the stage for prosecution down the line.”

        ______________

        Has that ever actually happened before?

        In modern history, or even in the entire history of the United States?

        Or should we be looking for some new thing under the sun?

        Asking for a battered nation…

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      2. “Reputations need to be shaken in the public’s minds before these people can’t walk down the street and all that.”

        ____________

        But the public doesn’t have a collective ‘mind’, and there is no way to measure whether individual ‘minds’ are shaken.

        And nobody cared if OUR minds were ‘shaken’ by the relentless assault on our country, on our freedom, on our government, on our People. Nobody gave two *hits about that (or us).

        So I remain unpersuaded about the delicate public and their need for carefully calibrated acclimation to unpleasant truths, as if the largest bureaucracy on the planet could ever calibrate such a nuanced acclimation, even if they wanted to, which they don’t.

        People with ‘reputations’ do bad things every day. If your local doctor gets caught molesting some child, nobody engages in a 4-year long Byzantine plot to undermine the Doctor’s reputation in the ‘mind’ of the ‘public’ before they (maybe, hopefully, some day…) arrest him.

        It’s ludicrous.

        It’s not just ludicrous, it’s infantile. If you had to undermine the reputation of someone before they could be arrested, nobody would ever be arrested, for anything, ever.

        “But these are government people, well known by the public” I can hear people saying.

        So we have two tiers of justice and law in America, one for the public, and none for traitors and the political-class?

        Most of these people aren’t well known to the public. If you do a ‘man on the street’ interview and ask a hundred people who John Brennan is, I doubt FIVE random people could answer the question.

        The only people these criminals are ‘well known’ to are people like us, and we don’t need to be carefully and tenderly prepared for the harsh and inconceivable truth that our public officials are really, really (no, I mean really) bad people…

        Nothing adds up.

        It hasn’t from the beginning, and it doesn’t now.

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    1. Actually the House/Senate can COMPEL people to show… After jumping through court room hoops.

      March 27, 2019 Congressional Subpoenas: Enforcing Executive Branch Compliance

      I think this is ONLY for those still IN THE GOVERNMENT.

      …. The recipient of a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena has a legal obligation to comply, absent a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification. But the subpoena is only as effective as the means by which it may be enforced. Without a process by which Congress can coerce compliance or deter non-compliance, the subpoena would be reduced to a formalized request rather than a constitutionally based demand for information.

      Congress currently employs an ad hoc combination of methods to combat non-compliance with subpoenas. The two predominant methods rely on the authority and participation of another branch of government. First, the criminal contempt statute permits a single house of Congress to certify a contempt citation to the executive branch for the criminal prosecution of an individual who has willfully refused to comply with a committee subpoena. Once the contempt citation is received, any prosecution lies within the control of the executive branch. Second, Congress may try to enforce a subpoena by seeking a civil judgment declaring that the recipient is legally obligated to comply. This process of civil enforcement relies on the help of the courts to enforce congressional demands.

      But these mechanisms do not always ensure congressional access to requested information.
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      The Supreme Court has therefore determined that “some means of compulsion [is] essential” for Congress “to obtain what is needed.” 6 When Congress finds an inquiry blocked by the withholding of information, or where the traditional process of negotiation and accommodation7 obligation to comply with a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena, unless a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification permits non-compliance.9 is considered inappropriate or unavailing, a subpoena—either for testimony or documents—may be used to compel compliance with congressional demands.8 An individual—whether a member of the public or an executive branch official—has a legal obligation to comply with a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena, unless a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification permits non-compliance. 9 The subpoena, however, is only as effective as the means by which it is potentially enforced.
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      Second, Congress may try to enforce a subpoena by seeking a civil judgment declaring that the recipient is legally obligated to comply.

      Four times since 2008, the House of Representatives has held an executive branch official (or former official) in criminal contempt of Congress for denying a committee information subpoenaed during an ongoing investigation.19 In each instance the executive branch determined not to bring the matter before a grand jury.20 In three of the four instances, the House also looked to the federal courts for civil enforcement of the outstanding subpoena.

      21 The committees involved eventually obtained much of the information sought through those lawsuits, but only after prolonged litigation, and, in one of the cases, only after a judicial decision that could be viewed as potentially hindering Congress’s access to executive branch information in the future.22….

      So it is a waiting game.

      By WAITING UNTIL THE ELEVENTH HOUR the Senate GUARANTEED non-compliance would have ZERO effect on the up coming election but they get ATTA BOYS for trying.

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      1. “Actually the House/Senate can COMPEL people to show… After jumping through court room hoops.”

        ______________

        I’ve been taking a PhD level course on court room ‘hoops’ from the esteemed Judge Sullivan, and I can confidently report that there is no ‘final’ hoop to jump through. Even if you jump through a hundred court room hoops, it doesn’t matter.

        Because the ‘hoops’ aren’t for jumping through, that’s not their purpose. The purpose of the ‘hoop’ is to frustrate justice, to delay, to buy time to invent new ‘hoops’.

        And inventing new ‘hoops’ is much easier than jumping through them, so you will never ever catch up to the hoop-makers, to overtake them.

        It’s like an infinity mirror.

        You can never get ahead of your own reflection.

        So long as keeping Lt. General Flynn tied up in the legal process is necessary, the Sullivan court room will do exactly that. It doesn’t matter how absurd the scenario becomes, even if it means Judge Sullivan has to become the prosecutor, the jury AND the judge.

        He will do it, without hesitation or batting an eye, because he is being ordered to do so by someone with the power to coerce. And no one will stop him. He can do whatever he wants, so long as he maintains a minimally plausible pretense of legality, something (anything) for the circuit court to hang their crooked hat on, and grant him more ‘time’, which is all this has been about from the get-go.

        Just like with Assange. They kept him holed up in a hotel room for what, 7 years?

        That’s 10% of the average lifetime. And TPTB would do it for another 7 years too, without even thinking about it. They would do it for the rest of his life, just out of spite, just because they can.

        Speaking of which, where is he now?

        So it is with Flynn also, he’s just higher profile. Everything Sullivan (and his puppet-masters) does is about time and delay, to keep Flynn sequestered and mute, and for reasons unknown, Flynn plays along, instead of simply walking out onto the courthouse steps and saying whatever he wants to say.

        There is not a fiction writer in the history of book writing who would ever dare of inventing a character who does what Sullivan has already done, because nobody would ever believe it. And Sullivan is just getting warmed up. The best is yet to come 😂

        Truth isn’t just stranger than fiction, truth makes fiction look like a safe, quaint far away dream.

        This is what happens when a judicial system is 100% thoroughly corrupted, when the criminals are running the system. None of them are ever held accountable, for anything, because THEY are running the system.

        And knowing this, they don’t really care how corrupt it looks to the public, because ultimately, the public can’t do anything about it anyway.

        So the “just us” system is become a closed circuit where the desired outcome is always determined first, and then the ‘process’ is constructed in order to serve the desired outcome.

        House and Senate ‘hearings’ are the bread and circuses.

        And squirrels.

        In fact, here comes one now.

        Look! Squirrel! 😂🤣😂

        .

        “I think this is ONLY for those still IN THE GOVERNMENT.”

        _____________

        I’ve seen this movie too.

        Lots of times.

        It’s the biggest loophole of them all.

        They just wait until the 11th hour, just before we think we finally have them right where we want them, and then they resign.

        No longer part of the government, so all of the legal chicanery (which was only designed to delay and protect the system in the first place) is and always was moot.

        Ta-da!

        Now you can’t get me, now you can’t get me, nana-nana-na na…

        And they’ve just wasted months (and months) (and months) of legal wrangling and taxpayer dollars and Sleepy Joe Public is starting to yawn and losing interest as the can is kicked a little farther down the road…

        I’ve seen this movie too.

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  4. September is a history-studded month, with VJ day, the Treaty of Paris, Patriot’s Day (9/11), Star Spangled Banner Day and Constitution Day. And there’s one more, Air Force day!

    But this year, it also has the Thirteen Days of The Dragon.

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    1. Watch the end of virtually any good guy vs. bad guy movie where the bad guy has finally been cornered like the rat bastard he/she/they are. They always go to their doom with some variation of the pathetic “Look at you. You’re no better than me!” rant.

      It’s a cliché, but that’s only because it’s true.

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    2. Because they want to sow discord and confusion – both sides are pushing against the middle – they criticized PT for not listening to the CDC – who touted masks were better than a vaccine!

      We know they will refute anything PT says – it was the most annoying presser to which I listened!

      Half of that presser was about ‘masks’ – because people are rebelling – PT said he wears one when it is necessary – in a prior presser – he admonished a questioner – because his voice was muffled due to mask.

      I get the impression PT does not come right out and say what he believes – he leaves it to the people to decide what is right and what is not – however – why put out all of those stats – we need to be done with this pest!!!

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  5. If you look at the TDS replies to this tweet…..

    …..and then look at this CNN article on the AstraZeneca vaccine…..

    NIH ‘very concerned’ about serious side effect in AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine trial
    By Arthur Allen and Liz Szabo, Kaiser Health News

    Updated 8:44 AM ET, Tue September 15, 2020

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/health/covid-19-vaccine-trial-astrazeneca-nih-fda-kaiser/index.html

    …..it become immediately clear that Trump has actually used TDS to get the left to AS A WHOLE reverse their position on vaccines. The left is now ALL ABOUT VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS.

    It’s just AMAZING.

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    1. It regularly occurs to me that it would not be possible to manipulate the Left as DJT frequently does, unless the Left is, collectively, suffering from some kind of actual mental disorder.

      Because if they weren’t, simple self-awareness would alert them to what DJT is doing, and they would stop playing along.

      The fact that they don’t stop, that they go right along where DJT leads them, makes it appear as if they are hypnotized, or in a trance.

      It’s just bizarre…

      They can’t all be insane… I think they’re ideologically insane, but they can’t all be insane from the standpoint of basic reality, they can’t be diagnosably insane, and yet that’s exactly what they appear to be.

      If it was a ruse, if they were playing a part or a role, either voluntarily or by coercion, there would be frequent slip-ups, many of which would be ‘caught’ and replayed all over the Interwebs. Professional actors often can’t get through a single scene without slip-ups, but these half-assed political hacks can go on live TV day in and day out, without flubbing their lines or (figuratively) dropping their mask?

      Not a chance.

      If they’re not actually (clinically) insane, and they’re not faking it, then what is the explanation?

      Group delusion? To be that all-encompassing, that pervasive and that complete, it would have to be something clinical, some form of insanity. One professional being insane would be interesting. Several would be extraordinary. But all of them is not possible.

      Even in a scenario of mass psychosis (e.g., Salem Witch trials), not everybody is insane…

      It’s one of the most fascinating aspects of everything that is going on, and yet hardly anybody ever talks about it, except around here.

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        1. Then it must be induced, it can’t be naturally occurring.

          And if it’s induced, if it’s artificially initiated, then by definition, how could it be anything other than a mind-control weapon?

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          1. I agree – it is programming – then, again – they get paid a pretty penny to do this, too!!!

            If they deviate from the ‘script’ – they get fired – or worse – maybe, they get extra cash for gotcha questions – dunno – it is bizarre – they are like robots – sometimes, they flub over their words getting their message out – other times – they are reading from something – and they quote MSM news – as if it were truth.

            Many times, Kayleigh has said – ‘you conveniently left out part of the quote’ – everything is out of context!

            These people are owned, controlled, and paid to play a part.

            I love it when Pt goes out of his way to call on OANN – their questions are thoughtful and truthful – and it gives him a reprieve from all of the nonsense – at this point – his patience is worn out – imho

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        2. “….Even in a scenario of mass psychosis (e.g., Salem Witch trials), not everybody is insane…..”

          Scott, Wolfie

          REMEMBER the Fake News and Universities and Schools SCREENOUT the sane! That is what ‘Political Correctness’ was all about.

          ‘Political Correctness’ =/= True or Real

          ‘Political Correctness’ = CONFORMS to Marxist Ideology and

          The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
          The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.

          In the Hegelian philosophy no idea could exist without an opposite…. Struggle or conflict was the en-evitable fact in such a universe—conflict of the thesis with its antithesis. In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created. All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere. Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe….
          *https://web.archive.org/web/20081231193454/http://www.economictheories.org/2008/12/philosophy-of-karl-marx.html

          This is why there is so much emphasis placed on ‘Consensus’ – In other words if I wish real hard and click my heels three time it is TRUE! (And since I control the scientific data bases I can change the data to meet my fantasy.)

          ^^^^^
          THAT philosophy COMPLETELY DESTROYS SCIENCE! That is why you got Trofim Lysenko and the inheritance of acquired traits. (Like cutting of tails of rats and breeding them will eventually lead to a tailess rat.) This belief in ‘inheritance of acquired traits’ was CRITICAL to COMMUNISM and the concept of the ‘withering away of the state’ aka ‘Utopia’

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          1. “In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created.”

            ___________

            Hegel was an idiot or a con-man, and Marx was an idiot for believing him — if he really did, which it seems hard to believe.

            There is no ‘synthesis’ in actual practice of Marxism.

            Marxism is barbarianism, might makes right.

            There is no watering down of Marxism via ‘synthesis’ with the antithesis of Marxism. Marxism seeks to crush its antithesis, not synthesis with it.

            If the Left is known for anything besides criminality, it is known for being intransigent and uncompromising.

            So Hegel was a fraud, and Marx was a fraud.

            A person doesn’t need to know anything more about either of them to reach that conclusion.

            .

            “All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere.”

            ____________

            Which is stupid.

            For just one example out of infinity, the actions of the planet Jupiter moving through space, acting on other bodies via its gravity, is not the product of any man’s thought process or vain theory, it is an objective, observable and measurable reality.

            And no amount of ‘ideas’, collectively or individually, can alter the measurable actions and effect that Jupiter has on the universe.

            Hegel is either an idiot or a charlatan.

            .

            “Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe….”

            _____________

            I guess this is the kind of idiocy people could get away with, back in a time when information traveled at the speed of a horse and buggy.

            Today he may be revered by countless idiots living in the bubble of his creation, but if Hegel tried to present his ideas today, he would be laughed out of the room.

            He’s a goof, of unfortunately historical proportion.

            Like a clown with one of the biggest pairs of shoes at the clown history museum.

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      1. You’re right, it’s just downright weird.

        The only thing I can think of is that they genuinely believe that what they are doing will have a positive (from their point of view) effect. We already know they are socialists and don’t have a proper understanding of cause and effect.

        If you believed that drinking motor oil will make you both sexually potent and irresistible to women as good looking as Melania Trump, even if for some reason you decide to restrain yourself (say due to concerns of marital fidelity) it would still be relatively easy to get you to drink that motor oil, especially if I arranged for someone you detested to call you an limp-wienered, uncharismatic toad who couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse.

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        1. That might work on some, blackmail and bribery (coercion) for others, but it’s the uniformity, the absolute comprehensive iron-fist control, nobody ever cracking or wandering off the reservation, that seems so inexplicable.

          Like a program in the Matrix that forgot to take human nature into consideration.

          There is something I have observed many times in discussions with some religious people that reminds me of what we’re talking about. They can be rational, coherent, intellectually consistent, etc., on a whole range of subjects, but when the discussion turns to religion, very suddenly logic and reason are out the window, everything becomes dogmatic and unquestionable, like talking to a child about Santa Claus.

          If you go back to a non-religious subject, they’re rational again. If you go back and forth between religious discussion and other subjects, it’s almost like a switch they turn on and off. Reason and logic is never allowed to intrude on the dogma. And yes, that degree of compartmentalization is kind of creepy, like you’re dealing with someone who is not entirely there. And yet they are. They are, and they aren’t.

          It’s like a form of denial, the ‘front’ has to be maintained, because if they concede any detail that touches a dogma, it’s like a ‘third rail’. They are instinctively aware of it, that the entire intellectual Jenga Tower could collapse if they ‘go there’, so they don’t. They won’t.

          They will play the ‘game’ with you, but they simply will not ‘go there’ when you try, they just smile and/or change the subject. They know, and they know you know they know. They’re not at all stupid, and they’re not unaware. It’s like a psychological defense mechanism kicks in, a coping mechanism, where the mind shuts down when it’s cornered. And you can corner them. It’s not difficult to do, if their belief is based on dogma, because dogma doesn’t reconcile — and dogma doesn’t care if it doesn’t reconcile.

          It functions like an intellectual Stop sign or yellow ‘crime’ tape, i.e., “there shall be no further inquiry tolerated or allowed on this matter”.

          Which of course is very Orwellian, and it’s impossible that they don’t know that, too.

          The nature of dogma is a departure from the normal rules of reality, the abandonment of logic and reason, so it can’t be understood (or defended) intellectually, it just has to be ‘accepted’, which (I think) is a very alien thing for most people. So it is a very interesting and curious thing for an ‘outsider’ to encounter.

          Because from a rational standpoint there is every indication that the person is being intellectually dishonest, but often their body language (or other cues) is not consistent with deception. It sort of reminds me of Bladerunner, when Harrison Ford interviews the replicant played by Sean Young, and he realizes that she doesn’t know she is a replicant.

          SD said something similar that reminded me of this the other day, but I wasn’t able to find it.

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          1. “Like a program in the Matrix that forgot to take human nature into consideration.”

            ____________

            Except that curious absence of ‘human nature’ it’s not an oversight or a mistake in the program, it’s a feature.

            If that ‘feature’ wasn’t there, the program wouldn’t work, because the participants would ask basic questions for which there are no good answers.

            They don’t ever ask those questions, or so it appears.

            We do ask those kinds of questions, all the time, and we notice that they don’t.

            But they don’t appear to notice that they don’t.

            Which makes them seem like automatons, to those who do ask such questions.

            It’s as if there is a spark of life, or consciousness, that is missing in them.

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          2. Interesting that you should say that about discussing religion.

            Because from my standpoint I see it ANY time I discuss religion with ANY religious person. Yes, that includes you as well. So I generally DON’T. Nothing can be gained from it but a lot of frustration and even sometimes anger.

            (And I have NO doubt that the overwhelming majority of believers think the same of atheists. I know this because I’ve read enough rants about how stupid and clueless atheists are, a fine tradition dating at least as far back as Psalm 14, which starts off with an ad-hom against atheists, calling us “fools.” You can hopefully imagine my thought bubble when a Christian quotes Psalm 14 at me as if it were a logical argument, then wonders why I believe he has done nothing more intellectually serious than insulting me.)

            Anyhow, to the current topic, believe me this weird behavior is a phenomenon atheists/agnostics are used to seeing. We call it “compartmentalizing.” A person who is rational enough to be able to use his mind to earn money to put food on the table nevertheless changes mode and then goes off and believes–and acts on–a ton of very specific things that appear to us to have no basis whatsoever in reality, or even be totally *counter* to reality in many cases.

            That doesn’t make the behavior any less puzzling, it’s just that I see it a LOT more often than you do, including in people on “my side” politically. I just ignore it and move on, generally, and I’ll explain why in a bit. But you actually DID bring it up in a religious context and the irony was overwhelming to me. (And you’re probably feeling the same sense of pot-calling-the-kettle-black irony, hearing an atheist accuse the religious of it right now. I’m aware of it as only someone of non-Christian beliefs in a country with lots of vocal Christians can be, so you can save your fingers some typing fatigue if you want.)

            And yes, I do recall in the past having seen you go off on people for some aspect of their beliefs you believe has no scriptural merit. So I can well believe that you have this frustration with many other Christians.

            As for why I ignore it and move on, I learned a long time ago when dealing with an old college friend of mine who had converted TO Christianity, that it all comes down to paradigms. His example was that a fishtank on the table is to some people just a cool thing to look at, and to others its a carefully balanced artificial environment (especially when it’s saltwater fish) controlling temperature, oxygen content, salinity, other chemicals in the water, etc., etc. Not the best example but I could see where he was going with it.

            In regards to the far left, “racism” being beneath everything is not a *conclusion* they reach, it’s their starting *assumption.* They’ve spent years looking at the world and integrating *everything* they have seen into that framework. If a guy at a convenience store is a bit less than mister all-smiles at 3AM, you figure he probably just didn’t get enough caffeine and he’s a bit sleepy and tired. The black who has been raised to believe there is a lot of racism in society will assume the clerk is being the way he is because the clerk doesn’t like blacks. Everything he sees can be taken as a confirmation of his belief–or at least not a contradiction to it. But it’s a belief you and I find batshit crazy. How can Donald Trump be thought of as a racist? But in their view, he’s assumed to be racist and absolutely everything he does, INCLUDING the things we point to as evidence he is not, can be interpreted in such a way as to support that core belief.

            If you’ve ever heard that phrase “you and I aren’t watching the same movie” (which someone used to me a couple of weeks ago), that’s the sort of thing they’re talking about. A couple of years back someone used that as an analogy.

            I once talked to someone who had read Atlas Shrugged…but insisted on regarding John Galt as the bad guy. (!!!!) He was able to cite enough things from the book to convince me that he had read it, but Holy Shit he had got it totally wrong!!! And I’ve run into a fair number of Christians who have read Atlas Shrugged–and interpreted it in their framework as an End Times story, not Ayn Rand’s framework which has no such concept in it at all. They couldn’t help but do that, they’re thoroughly locked into their paradigm and can’t even drop it long enough to read a work of fiction and imagine that what it is trying to say has nothing to do with it. Even being able to do that is not the same as agreeing with it…but they can’t do it at all. So how do you talk to someone who cannot even imagine for a piece of fiction “what if” this thing they believe just wasn’t part of the world?

            I sweat bullets, constantly, wondering if all the stuff I see here on this site is *completely wrong* and I’ve fallen prey to just hearing the stuff I *want* to hear. What if there IS no process in motion that will result in the bad guys getting their comeuppance? Hell, I’ve even entertained the possibility that Trump is a black hat, whose job it is to just jerk us off for four years. But some people just CAN’T do that. They can’t even see that it might make perfect sense to others. And hence the “how could they be so totally delusional yet act normal?” I have Trump-supporting relatives who have NO IDEA what Q is. We would look nuts to them, AND I CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. Because I see this phenomenon operating on people I can agree with, but not on everything, and people who seem to be bat shit crazy top to bottom. And I can expect they will look at me and see exactly what I see when I look at them. In the most extreme cases: How can they be so delusional yet have the ability to wipe their asses effectively?

            A paradigm shift is the hardest thing to effect. This has been noted by science historians, who have studied the history of MANY paradigm shifts in science–you’d think those scientists would know better yet it plays out ever time; it takes decades to truly change the community’s mind when something comes up–after that, it’s “of course.”

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            1. I’m late in reading this and just wanted to say a few things. First, I respect your posts and opinions. I know some people who do not understand why Christians believe what they do, and, as much as possible, as a Christian, I empathize with that.

              I abhor the abominable behavior of some Christians that turns off so many people, including me. Any Christian who quotes Scripture to you — hits you over the head with the Bible — in an effort to prove you wrong, without realizing how ineffective and insulting that is, is not exhibiting Christian compassion and empathy. Alas, we are all flawed, and being loving to one another is difficult and requires discipline, restraint, and humility.

              For Christians, it comes down to faith, which probably seems illogical to nonbelievers. I understand that. Some people can be very logical in their work, decisions, and everyday life, yet accept things on faith that seem impossible, and contrary to logical sense. Faith and Christianity go hand in hand.

              My purpose is not to get into a discussion about religion. (There is no need unless someone wants that. We are all free to make our own decisions. As a Christian, I believe that the freedom to accept God or reject him actually comes from him, just as he gives us freedom to make our own decisions in other areas.) I just wanted to say that I accept many things on faith that some would think do not make sense. But Christians’ duty and responsibility is to manifest the love of God to others, to love our neighbors as ourselves — which is the most difficult thing to accomplish and requires vigilance, self-awareness, humility, sacrifice, and repentance (to use a term of jargon).

              You are correct that paradigm shifts are extremely difficult. Preaching to (or at) people is not usually effective unless they showed up for that. I think that’s why Q says people have to be shown things, not just told.

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              1. A hundred likes (except I’m not a democrat and can only vote once).

                You show more self awareness than many (including many atheists) and were more people like you, there’d be a lot less unpleasantness in civil society.

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              2. I’m touched by your kind comments, and they provide a standard to try to live up to. It’s too bad that “vote early, vote often” is against our principles and only applies to Democrats! 😉

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        2. Steve — replying to your post below here, so there’s more width to the writing space.

          “Interesting that you should say that about discussing religion.”

          ___________

          Yes, the irony was not lost on me 😁

          I was certain you would notice.

          I was counting on it 👍

          .

          “Because from my standpoint I see it ANY time I discuss religion with ANY religious person. Yes, that includes you as well. So I generally DON’T. Nothing can be gained from it but a lot of frustration and even sometimes anger.”

          ____________

          I know exactly what you mean, but there is a difference, and it’s definable. (and I will explain it below)

          .

          “(And I have NO doubt that the overwhelming majority of believers think the same of atheists. I know this because I’ve read enough rants about how stupid and clueless atheists are, a fine tradition dating at least as far back as Psalm 14, which starts off with an ad-hom against atheists, calling us “fools.” You can hopefully imagine my thought bubble when a Christian quotes Psalm 14 at me as if it were a logical argument, then wonders why I believe he has done nothing more intellectually serious than insulting me.)”

          _______________

          One of the great frustrations is the lack of unity in what is referred to as the ‘universal church’ or the body of all believers. The lack of unity is because many groups or denominations or churches follow the Bible plus.

          The “PLUS” being some work(s) of men (sometimes LOTS of men), and each group has their own additions to God’s Word that are different from everyone else’s.

          For example, the Methodists have the Bible plus the Book of Discipline. Baptists have the Bible plus the Standard Baptist Manual. Presbyterians have the Bible plus “The Book of Order” and “The Book of Confessions”. Roman Catholics have Aquinas’ “Summa Theologica” and lots of other books of men.

          Every book or doctrine or tradition of man (as related to matters of God), no matter how well intended, becomes a source of division, because it is unique to the group that created it.

          .

          “Anyhow, to the current topic, believe me this weird behavior is a phenomenon atheists/agnostics are used to seeing. We call it “compartmentalizing.” A person who is rational enough to be able to use his mind to earn money to put food on the table nevertheless changes mode and then goes off and believes–and acts on–a ton of very specific things that appear to us to have no basis whatsoever in reality, or even be totally *counter* to reality in many cases.”

          ____________

          And every time that happens, I suspect many atheists fall into the same trap of thinking all Christians are more or less the same, when that is no more true than Christians thinking all atheists are the same.

          But we both recognize the same phenomenon, this ‘compartmentalization’, which is a good common ground for understanding.

          .

          “That doesn’t make the behavior any less puzzling, it’s just that I see it a LOT more often than you do, including in people on “my side” politically.”

          _____________

          I see it in the majority of people who self-identify as Christians, to a greater or lesser degree, because the majority of groups who self-identify as Christian follow the Bible Plus, and whatever that “Plus” happens to be, it’s unique to their specific group. And being written by men, by definition it will contain teachings which cannot be reconciled and harmonized with God’s Word.

          So if you have a discussion with them that goes on long enough, you will get to one of those contradictions, and when you do, you will usually encounter the “phenomenon”, because their mind knows that:

          1) two things which contradict each other cannot both be true

          2) the Bible is a higher authority than any book written by men (in theory, if not in practice)

          3) if they acknowledge that their group-specific doctrine is contradicted by the Bible — by God — that is a critical flaw in the foundation of their worldview.

          Which of those things can be violated or ignored?

          They can’t deny #1, and they can’t deny #2, and if they acknowledge that something their group believes contradicts #2, then either God is wrong or their doctrine is wrong.

          Since God cannot be wrong, their doctrine must be wrong.

          If their doctrine is wrong, and that doctrine is interconnected with other doctrines (they always are), then the whole paradigm begins to splinter and disintegrate.

          Depending on how heavily one is invested in their group, this could be catastrophic to their worldview. The solution is to abandon the doctrines, commandments and traditions of men and adhere to God’s Word, but if you can’t convince the leadership of the group to repent and return to God’s Word (and the bigger the group, the more impossible that becomes), then leaving that group is a likely eventuality.

          And beyond religious conviction, that group often includes family and longtime friends, so the idea of leaving is rarely easy or desirable.

          When no good option is available, that is when the ‘phenomenon’ manifests.

          .

          “I just ignore it and move on, generally, and I’ll explain why in a bit. But you actually DID bring it up in a religious context and the irony was overwhelming to me.”

          ____________

          As I said at the beginning, I knew you would see it, and I was counting on you to bring it up 😁

          I was extremely aware of it as I wrote it.

          And awareness didn’t change what I had to say even the tiniest bit — because I have no fear of being in the position where the ‘phenomenon’ would manifest itself in me.

          Not because I’m better, or smarter, or anything like that. I’m not.

          It’s because I am not beholden to any doctrines, commandments or traditions of men, only to God’s Word, and God’s Word has withstood the harshest critical examinations and attacks for thousands of years, so I am not concerned that the Scriptures will be broken this evening.

          I think I’m pretty safe in that assessment.

          I don’t have any beliefs (that I am aware of) that contradict God’s Word. That’s probably true for most people who self-identify as Christian.

          What happens if one discovers something he or she believes or has been taught does contradict God’s Word?

          If I find out something I believe does contradict God’s Word, I can drop it like a hot potato and be grateful for the correction. It’s not likely to happen, but if it did, it would really be unlikely to be connected to anything else, so there is no risk of a ‘domino effect’, because every belief or doctrine comes from God’s Word, it is not contingent or based upon some other belief or doctrine, which in turn is based on some other belief or doctrine, and so on.

          But for the sake of argument, suppose that somehow it did cause a domino effect, which caused one’s entire belief system to collapse. Is it better to know the truth, or to remain in a state of untruth?

          Truth is more important. If what I believe turns out to not actually be true, then what am I doing it for? The reason I became a Christian is because I was convinced it was true. If something occurs that convinces me otherwise, then what am I going to hang around for, the coffee and donuts?

          It’s ‘truth or bust’.

          Because truth matters. Whatever the truth turns out to be, that’s the side I want to be on. The Scripture makes the affirmative claim that God is true (John 3:33, 2 Cor 1:18) and His word is truth (cf. John 17:17). If that is not true, I want to know.

          That’s pretty much the opposite of denial.

          It’s pretty much impossible for the ‘phenomenon’ to manifest, if truth is your objective, regardless of the personal cost.

          If my understanding is wrong, show me. I may not be happy about it, but I won’t hide from it.

          It took an open heart and an open mind to find what I believe to be the truth about God. If I don’t still have that open mind (and heart) to consider views or challenges to what I believe is true, then my mind (and heart) are no longer in the right place to begin with.

          There has to be truth, even if the truth isn’t what I want to hear — and usually isn’t.

          Without truth, or being convinced that you are on the side of truth, what is there?

          Between a harsh truth and a pleasant lie, the harsh truth is the better of the two, because it is real. A lie, no matter how pleasant, is still a deception. Deceiving oneself is to cheat oneself. Granted, cheating oneself of a miserable existence is not without its allure 😂 But hopefully a miserable existence isn’t the only option.

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          “(And you’re probably feeling the same sense of pot-calling-the-kettle-black irony, hearing an atheist accuse the religious of it right now.”

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          Nope, I’m pretty sure I understand very well where you’re coming from on this point, and I can relate to it very well. I anticipated this very discussion.

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          “I’m aware of it as only someone of non-Christian beliefs in a country with lots of vocal Christians can be, so you can save your fingers some typing fatigue if you want.)”

          ___________

          I see religious error everywhere, because it is so ubiquitous. Think about it. The New Testament was completed in the 1st century. From the moment the last word was penned, men have been trying to add to it, subtract from it, restate it, bend it to match the changing times, and on and on and on.

          In nearly two thousand years, the volume of words written by men about God’s Word positively dwarfs, by orders of magnitude, the comparatively brief Word of God.

          So to see God’s Word not only as the highest Authority in matters of God, but as the only Authority in matters of God, is the unusual thing, not the normal thing.

          And by acknowledging only the Authority of God’s Word and no other, I am regularly in conflict with the beliefs of others who self-identify as Christian. Not always here though. Certainly somewhat, but I have noticed that there may be at least several people who participate here who are members of the same church as I am, and appear to believe as I do, that God’s Word is the only Authority (not just the highest Authority) in matters having to do with God.

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          “And yes, I do recall in the past having seen you go off on people for some aspect of their beliefs you believe has no scriptural merit. So I can well believe that you have this frustration with many other Christians.”

          ___________

          Yes, but it is not out of hostility toward anyone, it is as you say, out of frustration. It is very similar to the frustration I experience trying to discuss 17 or the many related subjects we commonly discuss here, with friends or family, or in some cases with church members.

          There is an information war, and people are getting their information from different sources, and some of those sources are better than others. Those who get the majority of their information from TV and FB (for example), though they may ‘know’ the news is ‘biased’, and hear DJT openly call it ‘fake news’ all the time, they don’t have any idea just how corrupt the MSM really is, or the effect is has on them subconsciously, if their habit or comfort zone limits them primarily to TV and FB.

          We are on the same side, we are in much agreement on the big picture.

          But breaking through the wall of disinformation in the political domain is no less difficult in the religious domain.

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          “As for why I ignore it and move on, I learned a long time ago when dealing with an old college friend of mine who had converted TO Christianity, that it all comes down to paradigms. His example was that a fishtank on the table is to some people just a cool thing to look at, and to others its a carefully balanced artificial environment (especially when it’s saltwater fish) controlling temperature, oxygen content, salinity, other chemicals in the water, etc., etc. Not the best example but I could see where he was going with it.”

          _____________

          One of the problems is that there are hundreds of different groups, denominations, churches, etc., who self-identify as Christian, but all believing different things, which can be overwhelming to any outsider who may be interested in finding the truth about God.

          It was for me. If I hadn’t made a kind of game out of it, I would have given up looking for sure.

          I followed the same process that I would apply to learning about anything else.

          First I needed to familiarize myself with the subject matter, which meant getting the owner’s manual (the Bible). I knew there were at least several translations, so first I had to research which translation would be best.

          I found that there are lots of “KJV only” people, and some of their reasons seemed good, and some not so good. There are also many people who appreciate the KJV, or at least had nothing much against it, but prefer some other translation for various reasons, and some of those reasons seemed good, and some did not.

          Overall, while realizing no translation will be perfect, the KJV seemed to be the most conservative choice. There were several choices that seemed good, but I leaned toward older translations (KJV and ASV) because of concerns about political correctness finding its way into more modern translations. Some people prefer other translations, but almost nobody thought the KJV was a bad translation.

          So I obtained a KJV Bible, and I read it.

          I also spent time reading arguments for evidence of God, for evidence that the Bible is true and accurate, etc. Archeological discoveries that keep proving Biblical accounts, and not yet once contradicting them. Arguments about the odds of successfully predicting future events (prophecy) and having such a prophecy come true.

          Understanding how the 66 books of the Bible reconcile with each other, forwards and backwards, even though the books were written over a span of some 1,600 years, by at least 40 different writers (the writer of ‘Hebrews’ may have been Paul, but it is uncertain), of wildly varying backgrounds (from kings to fishermen), education levels, etc., and yet it all harmonizes. There was (to me) a surprising amount of well presented evidence and arguments for the truth of God and His Word, which I had simply never looked into before.

          And the extra-Biblical references to Jesus in historically important documents were fascinating. There are not many (Josephus and Tacitus being two of the better known and documented, out of maybe 6 or 7 if I remember correctly), but imagine the chances that His name and any events associated with His life would be recorded by anyone (outside the Bible manuscripts) at all, much less by actual ancient historians.

          The historicity of Jesus does not seem to be credibly disputed. For a long time the historical reality of Pilate was ridiculed, until coins bearing his name and then (in 1959, I think) the “Pilate Stone” was discovered, in Caesarea Maritima, a dedication stone naming Tiberius Caesar (confirming the time, because the the time of Tiberius’ rule is known) and Pontius Pilate, the prefect of Judea.

          As evidence of ancient events or people goes, it doesn’t get much better.

          https://www.bible-history.com/empires/pilate.html

          https://www.deseret.com/2018/5/3/20644446/the-pilate-stone-in-israel-s-caesarea-by-the-sea#a-stone-with-a-latin-dedicatory-inscription-of-pontius-pilate-was-part-of-an-exhibit-of-holy-land-artifacts-at-emory-universitys-michael-c-carlos-museum-in-atlanta-in-june-2007-ap-photo-john-bazemore

          No one credibly disputes the historical reality of Pontius Pilate anymore. There are many such examples. Archeology keeps uncovering evidence which proves the skeptics wrong.

          The volume of surviving Biblical manuscripts (and often, fragments thereof) dwarfs the number of surviving copies of other historical works, over 20,000 if I remember correctly, and at least one or a few of those fragments of the New Testament date to the first century, which is incredible. Some of the other surviving notable historical documents are limited to one or two copies, and may have been copied 900 years (or more) after the original was written.

          The more you dig, the more you find, and the more it starts to add up. Like putting together pieces of a puzzle, and the more pieces you fill in, the clearer the picture becomes. It’s not unlike 17 in that regard, in the sense that how much evidence does it take, and how many coincidences does it take, before you begin to realize they can’t be coincidences?

          The answer will be different for every individual, but there was a lot more evidence and good arguments ‘out there’ than I suspected.

          It can creep up on you, and then, whether suddenly or over a period of time, you begin to ‘see it’, in a similar way that all of our eyes have been ‘opened’ to all sorts of things over the past 4 years with regard to politics. Things which we might not have believed or even considered before DJT became president.

          Once I was on that path, read the Bible, and was satisfied that there was more to all of it than a cartoon living in the sky, I wanted to find out if anyone really did what the people in the Bible do, i.e., follow God’s Word as it is written, today.

          And that is where it became difficult.

          Everybody teaches different things. So I began checking church websites, going to their “About Us” or “Statement of Faith” page, and comparing (as best I could) what they said about themselves to what I had learned by reading the Bible straight through. It may sound like a difficult thing, but it really wasn’t. You don’t have to be an expert to notice things that weren’t in a book you just read.

          It’s a lot easier to recognize something you did NOT read in the Bible when you see it on some church webpage, than it is to recall everything that is IN the Bible, especially if you have only read it once.

          And you get better at it, the more you do it. I got to the point where I could spot error (something not taught in the Bible) on a church website in about 30 seconds, and once I saw it, I closed out of that website, and went to the next one.

          Do that for at least an hour a day, for 6 or 7 months, and you’ll go through a lot of websites, and you’ll get a very interesting overview and perspective on the volume (and the variety) of error being taught.

          Having approached it from that angle, maybe it becomes more clear why I am so “sensitive” to religious error, defined as beliefs or practices which are not found in Scripture. I spent a lot of time looking, and I became pretty good at spotting it.

          It turned into a game. It was amusing to see how fast I could spot some obvious error. You don’t have to be an expert in what is right, you just have to recognize something that wasn’t “in there” (in God’s Word) when you see it. That’s very easy, anyone can do that. Read any book, or watch any movie, and then go read reviews about it. If someone mentioned a character, or a scene, or anything at all that you didn’t read or see in the movie, it’s going to jump out at you.

          That never happens in movie or book reviews, because people would call them out immediately. The feedback would be instantaneous (and probably hilarious).

          But it happens all the time in ‘religion’!

          That’s the norm.

          Eventually I stumbled across a Bible study website, and I couldn’t find anything they were saying that jumped out at me as not being in the Bible. Not only that, but everything they did teach was extensively documented with book, chapter and verse, and they encouraged everyone to always look the references up in the Bible and see for themselves.

          I spent a lot of time investigating that website, and learned a lot in the process. A month or so later I stumbled across another Bible study website that was incredibly extensive and thoroughly documented with Scripture references (one that Wolfmoon happened to independently reference here a while back, and I recognized it immediately).

          It was not until some time later, after I was baptized, that I found out both websites (one in Canada, the other in Illinois) were managed and run by members of independent and autonomous congregations of the same church. A church organized according to Scriptural example, not a denomination, no umbrella governing body of men overseeing the congregations, but each congregation in fellowship with other faithful congregations, with each congregation under the Authority of God’s Word.

          Like the congregations in Corinth, and Ephesus, and Thessalonica, and Laodicea, and Galatia, etc. There was no “president” or board of directors or other governing body having oversight authority over those congregations. They were independent and autonomous, and in fellowship with other people of like faith and belief.

          They teach what the Bible plainly says, and they practice according to the authoritative examples and commands given in Scripture. No more and no less.

          .

          “If you’ve ever heard that phrase “you and I aren’t watching the same movie” (which someone used to me a couple of weeks ago), that’s the sort of thing they’re talking about. A couple of years back someone used that as an analogy.”

          ____________

          I always get the sense that you think very rationally, or maybe that’s just my own bias because I recognize similarities to my own ways of thinking. Either way, I seem to relate very well to the way you approach things, generally.

          .

          “I once talked to someone who had read Atlas Shrugged…but insisted on regarding John Galt as the bad guy. (!!!!) He was able to cite enough things from the book to convince me that he had read it, but Holy Shit he had got it totally wrong!!! And I’ve run into a fair number of Christians who have read Atlas Shrugged–and interpreted it in their framework as an End Times story, not Ayn Rand’s framework which has no such concept in it at all. They couldn’t help but do that, they’re thoroughly locked into their paradigm and can’t even drop it long enough to read a work of fiction and imagine that what it is trying to say has nothing to do with it. Even being able to do that is not the same as agreeing with it…but they can’t do it at all. So how do you talk to someone who cannot even imagine for a piece of fiction “what if” this thing they believe just wasn’t part of the world?”

          ____________

          I liked The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged very much. I read them both when I was in college, some 12 years or so before I became a Christian. I identified very easily with both books, in the sense that I already agreed with many of the concepts, but those books helped me to better define and organize and focus on them (and defend them) much more clearly.

          I never understood Ayn Rand’s opposition to God though. Her core concepts with regard to self-determination and self-reliance and capitalism are not in conflict with Christianity. I’m not even sure how she arrived at a lot of her ways of thinking without being informed by Christianity.

          .

          “I sweat bullets, constantly, wondering if all the stuff I see here on this site is *completely wrong* and I’ve fallen prey to just hearing the stuff I *want* to hear. What if there IS no process in motion that will result in the bad guys getting their comeuppance? Hell, I’ve even entertained the possibility that Trump is a black hat, whose job it is to just jerk us off for four years.”

          ___________

          I do the same thing 😂🤣😂

          Not nearly so much anymore as I used to though. That’s not to say it couldn’t return with a vengeance between now and November 3rd… or the day after, depending on how things go.

          I don’t think the stuff we discuss here is likely to be wrong, for the most part. Especially not completely wrong. I’m more concerned about whether or not the bad guys will ever be arrested and convicted. I have also considered whether Trump could be doing as you suggest, and I’ve mentioned it here before, but I can’t get very far along that line of thinking before I’m reminded of too many examples to the contrary.

          Trump is one of the few people I’m pretty sure about.

          I think it’s healthy to wonder about those things, to be aware, to question, to allow for the possibility that we might be wrong, whatever the subject. We all have blind spots, and questioning and thinking about the possibility of being wrong helps a great deal to minimize the impact of blind spots hearing what we want to hear.

          .

          “But some people just CAN’T do that. They can’t even see that it might make perfect sense to others. And hence the “how could they be so totally delusional yet act normal?”

          _____________

          With regard to religion particularly, in some ways I can relate to non-believers, because I did not grow up in a church-going family.

          So I have that background, that life experience. I can relate to skepticism, because I was skeptical myself. When I see many of the arguments atheists make, I can understand where they’re coming from, I recognize many of their questions because I asked some of them myself, so I don’t generally assume that their arguments are in bad faith, or anything like that.

          I never considered myself an atheist, but I didn’t have any real understanding about Christianity either. Christianity was part of the culture I grew up in, so from that standpoint I related positively to it in a general sense, but I didn’t think about it a lot one way or the other. I do remember being angry toward God a lot in my early teens. I was in a bad situation, and there wasn’t anything I could really do about it, so I was angry about a lot of things. God seemed like the only one who could know what was going on, and He didn’t do anything about it — at least nothing I was aware of — and that made me angry too.

          It’s hard to be angry at someone you don’t believe in, so there’s that.

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          “I have Trump-supporting relatives who have NO IDEA what Q is. We would look nuts to them, AND I CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.”

          ____________

          Yep, me too.

          Where do you begin, how do you begin that discussion, without the other person having at least some basic exposure to it first? If it’s someone you’re reasonably close to, you can send them articles and links and gauge their response and build on that, or just say “check this out” and send them a link to the Q-map and then see what they say.

          It’s not so much a problem to handle a newbie’s questions, the problem is getting them to look at the information at all. If they’ll do that, I can take it from there, but trying to explain it without having them at least see it for themselves is a hard way to go.

          You can give a very general explanation, but they’re likely to think you’re nuts until they get their own sense of it, by seeing it first hand. Once they have done that, there is a context or framework in which you can answer questions and explain things.

          .

          “Because I see this phenomenon operating on people I can agree with, but not on everything, and people who seem to be bat shit crazy top to bottom.”

          ___________

          I get the sense that it’s completely psychological, that it’s part of the human condition, at least in the way people construct their worldviews and invest in them and defend them, even when it no longer makes sense to do so. And in a way, that scares the *&^% out of me.

          Because that’s a powerful thing, and everyone is vulnerable to it, and there are people who will absolutely exploit it (and us) because of it.

          And it ‘scares’ me because that could be me. Why am I different. I realize you don’t think I am, that the phenomenon we’re referencing, the ‘compartmentalization’ which you found ironic coming from me — which I anticipated — you also associate me with it, because you lump me in with all believers.

          I understand that.

          But what question about my beliefs am I unwilling to address? Where do I ‘freeze’, or smile and change the subject? When do I ever say (or imply) “there shall be no further inquiry tolerated or allowed on this matter”? Where have I been intellectually cornered? What is my dogma?

          There is a simple difference, an advantage that I have, over any person who utilizes extra-Biblical writings or traditions, doctrines and commandments of men, in association with their beliefs.

          In one sense it is difficult, but on the other hand, I have the much easier argument.

          And the difference is this. My only source of Authority in matters having to do with God is God’s Word, all I have to do is stand on His Word, and if I handle His word correctly, it will do all the heavy lifting. In other words, if someone has a disagreement, it is not with me, I am nobody. Their disagreement is with God’s Word, and I have never once seen anyone defeat God’s Word. People have been trying for thousands of years, so I’m not worried it will happen tonight.

          But the words of men are a different matter. Doctrines, traditions, commandments of men are guaranteed to conflict with God’s Word, in some way, and once that way is discovered and pointed out, the person adhering to that doctrine or tradition of men has a dilemma, one which I do not have.

          If God’s Word says one thing, and their extra-Biblical doctrine says different, they are in a conflict with God (not with me). I’m just pointing it out. They may want to attack me, as messengers frequently are attacked, but I will keep redirecting back to God’s Word, because that’s who their argument is with. They don’t want the argument framed that way of course, because they know they can’t win an argument with God’s Word, and that’s exactly where I will keep going, for exactly that reason. Because I know they can’t defeat it, and I know they know it too.

          Why am I not subject to this same dilemma?

          I would be, if I held any doctrines, commandments or traditions of men.

          Very intentionally, I don’t. At least not that I am aware of. But if one is brought to my attention, or if I am in error in some other way that reconciles with all other scripture on the subject (and explains how my prior belief was wrong), I will not cling to it or defend the error, I will discard it. I don’t want anything to do with it, if it is not true according to God’s Word.

          Error is an issue that is taken very seriously in the church where I am a member. Not just the congregation where I attend, it’s not a local issue, but across all congregations.

          I don’t have anything invested in anything that is not true according to God’s Word. That is my advantage. If I ‘stand’ on God’s Word, I know that God’s Word cannot be defeated. If I am accidentally standing on something else besides God’s Word, I want to get off it as quickly as possible, and back to standing on the solid rock of God’s Word, which (as far as I can tell) is undefeatable.

          As long as your stand, your case, is made on God’s Word, you can never be intellectually ‘cornered’. You can only be cornered if you hold some position which contradicts God’s Word, because then you are in a conflict which you cannot win.

          You’re cornered.

          Remaining in conflict with God, once you are aware of it, is untenable.

          And if you concede that God’s Word is right and your tradition or doctrine of men is wrong, then what else have you believed or practiced that is wrong… and who is it that has taught you this error… and what are the implications of that… but the bigger issue is how most doctrines and traditions of men do not exist in isolation, they are intertwined with many other doctrines and beliefs, so if you pull on one string, the whole ball of yarn starts unraveling. Jenga Tower implosion. Worldview collapse. Potentially a lifetime investment in a belief system that is falling apart under your feet.

          What are you going to do?

          You can abandon ship and jump on God’s Word like the life raft that it is. That’s the best move, but very few people will do it, at least not in the moment of the discussion. Hopefully they will come to that conclusion sometime not long after, when they can do so on their own terms.

          Or you can double down, and go down with the ship. You can say (for example) I don’t know about God or His Word, but I know my doctrine and my traditions, and it was my Ma and Pa’s doctrine and traditions, and their Ma and Pa’s before them, and I ain’t about to leave it.

          Or you can do what many people will do, just smile and change the subject, because you’re cornered 🙂

          That is the phenomenon manifesting itself.

          The person who is able to reject or abandon any doctrine or tradition that conflicts with God’s Word cannot be put into a conflicting position with God and His Word, therefore that person cannot be ‘cornered’.

          That person is immune from the ‘phenomenon’.

          I do believe in God, and the Scriptures, but there are plenty of rational reasons for both. I cannot prove them beyond any doubt, but I can’t prove 17 beyond any doubt either. There is a lot more evidence for God and the Scriptures than there is for Q. But like Q, explaining about God and the Scriptures is not something one can do in a soundbite or even in a forum like this one very well, at least not without all parties having been exposed to enough information to have a common frame of reference.

          It is possible for two people to examine the same evidence or arguments and reach different conclusions, neither of which can be proved or disproved beyond any doubt. I think God (and the Scriptures) can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but that would require a fair amount of preparation, and a preliminary discussion to find out where the other person is, what their level of knowledge and understanding is, where they’re ‘coming from’, in order to pick up at that point and present a case.

          And even then, I risk running into the same phenomenon with an atheist as I would with some religious people. What if I presented a case that was compelling enough to raise serious doubt in your mind with regard to your own position, i.e., that God may be real, and the Scriptures may be true?

          Could that not cause a similar cognitive dissonance, a similar threat to worldview or paradigm, as discussed above?

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          “A paradigm shift is the hardest thing to effect. This has been noted by science historians, who have studied the history of MANY paradigm shifts in science–you’d think those scientists would know better yet it plays out ever time; it takes decades to truly change the community’s mind when something comes up–after that, it’s “of course.” ”

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          Yes, one would think they would know better, they can certainly cite specific historical examples, and yet they are caught in the same trap as everyone before them, because they either can’t see it when it applies to themselves, or they do see it, but for various reasons, can’t do anything about it.

          But once the ‘new thing’ is accepted by their peers, then naturally, it’s ‘of course’. No different than high school peer pressure. It’s true for doctors, for scientists, for lawyers, for business leaders. Because it’s true for human beings, for the most part.

          And there are lots of reasons why the well established and the most successful in society are compelled to conform to accepted legal dogma, or scientific dogma, or medical dogma, while the average person, who may not have a reputation or high visibility career to protect, has much more freedom and lattitude to exercise independent thought.

          A paradox, of sorts.

          The people who should know better don’t (or can’t do anything about it), while the common man can (and sometimes does).

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          1. Yes, one would think they would know better, they can certainly cite specific historical examples, and yet they are caught in the same trap as everyone before them, because they either can’t see it when it applies to themselves, or they do see it, but for various reasons, can’t do anything about it.
            But once the ‘new thing’ is accepted by their peers, then naturally, it’s ‘of course’. No different than high school peer pressure. It’s true for doctors, for scientists, for lawyers, for business leaders. Because it’s true for human beings, for the most part.

            I suspect you had climate change in mind when you wrote this, and so I’ll say I was actually thinking of something different, things like the long-ago resistance to the atomic theory of matter, heliocentrism, and so on (though in the case of heliocentrism much of the resistance was not scientists). There was also a fat-dumb-and-happy stage in physics ending in 1895, where they figured they pretty much understood everything at that level, though there were a few minor issues they hadn’t quite nailed down. Those few minor issues turned out, of course, to all be due to quantum effects and relativity, which finally ended up overturning most of what we thought we knew about physics. Sometimes the old guard just has to die off.

            But there are many, many instances of scientists changing their minds–and *thanking* the person who caused them to do it.

            (Richard Dawkins tells one such story, which I am typing from memory so I am sure I am getting details wrong. Anyhow it’s about a biologist who presented some kind of paper, and immediately afterwards, this old guy in the back of the room stood up, and the room went dead silent. This was the man who had argued *against* the position the paper-presenter had just supplied more evidence for, and he had argued against it for twenty years. People were expecting fireworks now.

            They got something entirely different. The old man walked up to the front, and said “I want to thank you. Thank you, for I have been wrong these last twenty years.

            Richard Dawkins says that everyone in the room damn near clapped until their hands were raw, because this was such a perfect example of exactly what a scientist should be.

            But this story is from several decades ago, and I suspect that many, many branches of science have become corrupted by not just political correctness but the ethic behind it, that “social change” is more important than the truth. PC is just one manifestation of that.

            As to the remainder of what you wrote, a huge portion of that can perhaps more profitably be addressed to your fellow Christians (and I’m fine with that, actually, it was illuminating reading), but you seem puzzled that I would imagine you to be compartmentalizing as well. You certainly make efforts to avoid the trap that many do not, which is very much a good thing, but any claim that the scripture is the Word of God, as opposed to those other writings, is a non-starter with me. To stick with the New Testament, No, the 66 books, which (by the way) were selected by human beings from a much longer list of potential scriptures, have been gone over by people who can read the original Greek, and there are loads of problems with them from that standpoint (including the near certainty that the pastoral epistles, which claim to be Pauline in authorship, are not). But even leaving such things aside, there are plenty of contradictions. Some of them *can* be got around with arguments that would be laughed out of court but are OK with many religionists (see, there’s that compartmentalization at work), but some of them simply cannot.

            But there are a few cases where you can’t do that. The last time I brought this one up, the guy I was conversing with (on CTH–it was that long ago) simply gave a non-sequitur answer, and thereby evaded the point. Anyhow, here it is. As far as I know no one has been able to reconcile this.

            Mark clearly indicates when Jesus was tried by Pilate (on a Friday). On the preceding day, 14:12 the disciples asked Jesus where he would have them prepare the Passover, and from that point forward, it’s plain that the Last Supper is the Passover meal. (Passover, like all days in Judaism, starts at sunset.) The subsequent events, the trial, the crucifixion (15:25) at 9 AM, are all on Passover. Thus, Passover was Thursday night/Friday daytime

            John, on the other hand, indicates that Pilate’s VERDICT was on the day of preparation for Passover in 19:14–and remember that Mark had had Passover begin with the last supper! In fact, the reason the Jewish leaders would not enter Pilate’s palace during the trial (which is a detail only John mentions), is they didn’t want to ritually defile themselves before Passover. So every indication in John is that Jesus was crucified the day BEFORE Passover.

            When I brought this up to someone on CTH who questioned my statement that the Bible contains inconsistencies, and asked him which day it was, he simply replied “Friday.” A total dodge of the point.

            Read the Gospels (Matthew and Luke tend to agree with Mark, as is usually the case), and see if you can reconcile this; many have failed, so far as I know none have succeeded.

            Man-made books, ALL of them, not just the “extra” books some sects add.

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          2. And on another point, Ayn Rand: I am not sure if you are aware of this, but she wrote an extensive body of *non* fiction presenting her philosophy after Atlas Shrugged was published, and she does take up (to some extent) the issues you raise.

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            1. Steve, thanks very much for the replies. I haven’t heard that specific question before, so I will do some research on your question about Passover, and then click the ‘Like’ button to your post above when I have a reply 👍

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      2. “If they’re not actually (clinically) insane, and they’re not faking it, then what is the explanation?

        Group delusion?…”
        ____________________

        Sort of a delusion…but more like Group Think.

        Follow-the-Leader.
        And their leaders are diabolical — and demand total obedience.

        This is why the leftist newsies say the same thing.
        You’ve seen the videos, I’m sure…that show news readers all saying the Soundbite of the Day.

        They’re not journalists.
        They’re not reporters.

        They are propaganda nozzles.

        They’re not paid to Think…they’re paid to Not Think…and just read the lines they are given.

        They are ‘news actors’, playing the part of being reporters.

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        1. Yep, I agree, but how can they possibly be unaware of who and what they really are?

          It’s like really, really taking the ‘blue pill’, and forgetting reality, and the basic rules that govern reality.

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          1. That’s probably Why they stay in their own bubble, Scott.
            It makes it easier for them to pretend that they don’t know the truth.

            And also why Big Tech is so desperate to delete and censor the truth.

            The Big Tech puppet masters don’t want their sheep to see the truth.

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          2. I believe part of that equation is the $$ factor. You know darn well there paid very handsomely, and once you have that income and lifestyle it’s hard to give it up. Blackmail of sorts. I am sure there’s a lot of us here who have seen it in the workplace, I know I have, upper management continually towing the company line even when they don’t agree. Was told by a manager once that the SVP told her know we own you 24/7

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          1. To elaborate…the group “ colors” (Democrat women showing up in white for the SOTU speech, can you get more middle-school), and the African scarves, the kneeling on the floor of the Capitol, marching around behind a gavel-wielding Pelosi….so very silly and juvenile and very group-thinking role playing.

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          1. Actually it is the Hegelian/Marx philosophy which believes ‘Objective phenomena’ DOES NOT EXIST! I ran into this philosophy being taught in a week long LEADERSHIP SEMINAR of all things!

            If they believe the only thing that is REAL “exists in the mind. Objective phenomena and events are of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds are real. Ideas, not objects, are the stuff of which the universe was made” THEN THERE IS ZERO COMMON GROUND and you CAN NOT DEBATE THEM.

            The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
            The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.

            *https://web.archive.org/web/20081231193454/http://www.economictheories.org/2008/12/philosophy-of-karl-marx.html

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              1. And what have YOU got against the intrepid Americans doing scientific research at Amundsen Scott base, that you would inflict these nutjobs on them? 😀

                There are better places in Antarctica to send them, hundreds of miles from any base.

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              2. As someday, it may happen, that a victim must be found —
                I’ve got a little list; I’ve got a little list!
                Of society’s offenders who might well be underground —
                They never would be missed; they never would be missed!

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      3. It’s cult behavior.

        In a cult, no deviation from the group is permitted, or you are “banned.” The left “cancels.”

        All cults weed out the non-conformists pretty early on. You are chased out of the group.

        The leftist cult training begins in Pre-K now.

        It is no accident that two of my three kids DROPPED OUT of school. They are independent, conservative, fiercely rational people, with jobs and lives.

        The third kid was the “compliant” one. I thought it was great, because he was the “easy one.” He went to college, and is now a raging Marxist liberal. He is in the cult, and it has broken my heart.

        The cult is very large now. I think if someone studied Antifa, they would find that most of them are college educated. The independent, rational, questioning THINKERS got weeded out early on, and are now plumbers, electricians, mechanics or whatever, with families and responsibilities.

        Just my opinion, of course.

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              1. Yep.

                Very, very few places will teach the sort of critical thinking that might let one escape The Box. And often they only teach it to those they trust not to leave The Box, the better to use that skill against people either not in The Box, or trying to leave The Box.

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            1. Being an avid fan of the “Little House on the Prairie” farming communities funded the schools for their children. One family provided room & board for the teacher. It was like that for years in rural communities.

              The culprit behind all this public education is–

              Credit for our modern version of the school system usually goes to Horace Mann. When he became Secretary of Education in Massachusetts in 1837, he set forth his vision for a system of professional teachers who would teach students an organized curriculum of basic content.

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              1. Oh, the irony.

                If you want to feel as if you have been staked to the ground in front of a slowly moving steamroller, read the Underground History of Public Education by John Taylor Gatto. He lays out the whole chronology and you see it happening and wonder why on earth no one could fricking STOP it.

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    1. That’s always the big question.

      Everybody knows who he is, his whereabouts are generally not hidden, and everybody knows what he’s up to, because he has been relatively open about it for decades.

      And yet nobody stops him.

      Even though it would be easy to do so.

      He has no army, he has no defensible fortress (much less any nation-state).

      The special forces of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick could take Soros out.

      Any country could put a $100 million bounty on his head, dead or alive, and there are plenty of highly skilled ex-military all over the world who would descend on him like flies to roadkill. Not to mention every Tom, Dick and Harry.

      And yet it never happens.

      Not for more than half a CENTURY.

      I realize he has more money than just about anyone.

      But if money literally makes someone untouchable, above the law, then that’s de facto evidence and a prima facie case for outlawing billionaires.

      We can’t have it both ways. We can’t argue that people should be allowed to become billionaires, if becoming a billionaire means you are literally above the law. Because one man — and Soros is exhibit ‘A’, the poster child — could manipulate entire nations, violating the rights of hundreds of millions, even billions of human beings, without consequence, without lawful recourse.

      So nothing reconciles.

      Nobody ever asks why.

      And nobody ever does anything about it.

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    2. We are his huckleberry …

      Western Slang, Lingo, and Phrases – A Writer’s Guide to …
      Search domain http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-slang/6/https://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-slang/6/

      Hot Roll – Bedroll.. Huckleberry – As in “I’m your huckleberry” means “I’m just the man you’re looking for” or “I’m just the man for the job.”. Huckleberry Above a Persimmon – A cut above.. Hum – Home.. Humbug – A deception, hoax, imposter.. Hounds – Rowdies of the gold-rush days of San Francisco. Hull – Saddle. …

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      1. I posted stuff here months ago that DOVETAILS with what he is saying.

        I will leave out Nasty Piglosi and her movements.

        First Nancy Messonnier and the rest of the top of the CDC are SENIOR EXECUTIVE SERVICE and CAN NOT BE FIRED! (I went over that months ago) I am sure that added to the frustration of Mike and others.

        CDC TIMELINE

        “November 9, 2016
        The NPR station WABE-FM in Atlanta details a somber, depressing, tearful, binge eating reaction by CDC staff:

        Employees at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say the mood in their office is somber.

        At the General Muir deli across the street from the CDC, a few employees talked to WABE, asking that their names not be used. One microbiologist said her colleagues were crying in the hallways.

        July 15, 2019
        CDC shuts down USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) on doing level 3 and 4 bio-research [H/T itswoot]
        *https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/24/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-fort-detrick-research-suspension.html

        EARLY JANUARY
        From Carlos

        A Seattle infectious-disease expert named Dr. Helen Y. Chu tried to test people as soon as the first case was reported in her area, but the CDC prevented it.

        Dr. Chu finally went ahead and tested anyway.

        Washington state ordered her to stop. 
        Rigidity of thought, bureaucratic red tape, and the pigheadedness of government employees prevented Dr. Chu from getting out in front of the epidemic.
        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237911399382183936.html

        Write up by the New York Slimes

        Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.
        In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area….
        As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region….
        …Everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea…
        *https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html?referringSource=articleShare

        February 14, 2020
        Teleconference with reporters:

        Who
        Nancy Messonnier, M.D., Director,
        National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases

        Nancy Messonnier ….I think that more information will become available over the next couple days, as we fully evaluate these repatriated travelers and as we line up the lab results from Japan, as well as the testing in the United States.…..

        ….So as we’ve said with these repatriated groups, our assessment of the groups, in terms of their risk, drives our stance in terms of what kind of testing we do.  So because these returning passengers — because these repatriated individuals were judged to be at high risk, we have done additional testing on them.  It is — in addition to that testing, we also are continuing to do surveillance for illness, which is clearly our focus.…..

        Julie Steenhuysen from Reuters. Your line is open.
        >> I have a couple questions.  First of all, can you tell us how many states have testing capacity?  We’re hearing that only three states at the moment are capable of testing for the coronavirus because of issues with the test kits.  And secondly, and you touched on this, at what point does it make sense to still screen passengers at airports, given how many countries now are seeing widespread — or seeing additional cases and starting — you know, at what point do you shift to community-based measures to control this virus?….

        Nancy Messonnier: In terms of the test kits, you know what, I think we’ve been as transparent as one could be about this issue.  I’m happy to report that we’re fully stood up at CDC.  There is no lag time for testing at this point.  That is the focus of testing in the united states, the testing here at CDC.  We’ve had no issues at all in terms of the quality of that.  As we’ve pushed tests out to the state, they did what we would expect as part of the normal procedures, which is do the verification in their own laboratories.  There were problems identified with the test kits.  That is a normal part, unfortunately, of these processes.

        We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not.  So that is still where we are.  We are working with FDA, who is the one that have oversight over us.  Under this e.u.a. on redoing some of the kits.  We still consider it a priority to get the kits out to patients as soon as possible.  It is overridden by the priority to make sure that the test is correct….

        Andrew Joseph.  Your line is open.
        >> Hi.  Following up on some of the testing questions.  Has testing started through the influenza network yet?  Also, you mentioned, you know, how clinicians are on the lookout for patients.  Have you all thought about broadening the recommendation?  As it stands now, i think online, it’s either fever and — or sorry, symptoms and either travel history to wuhan or contact with a confirmed case or person or investigation.  As you mentioned, it seems to be spreading pretty efficiently outside Wuhan.  Have you thought about expanding that evaluation guideline?

        …..In terms of case definition, you may know that on our web page we do go through in detail our current case definition.  The current case definition does say that patients that have fever, symptoms of lower respiratory infection, requiring hospitalization, and a history of travel from mainland china meet the case definition for testing.  We are regularly looking at the epidemiological situation globally.….

        We also obviously don’t want to mistransmit in the United States.  Balancing those things going forward, we are going to continue to look at travel history and see when and if there’s the right reasons to expand that beyond China….
        *https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html

        CDC had run just 426 tests from Jan 21 to Feb 24

        April 18 2020
        The Washington ComPost reported.
        *https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/contamination-at-cdc-lab-delayed-rollout-of-coronavirus-tests/2020/04/18/fd7d3824-7139-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

        The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process,

        Now wouldn’t you think that would apply to ALL the kits associated with the CDC????

        AND WHERE IN HADES WAS THE FDA??? These tests were NEW and should have had FDA oversight!

        Itswoot posted:

        USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) should be in the thick of things in the COVID-19 fight. CDC shut them down on doing level 3 and 4 bio-research back on July 15, 2019 when they sent USAMRIID a cease and desist letter. In late November, the CDC approved a partial resumption of USAMRIID research. I haven’t come across anything to indicate that they have been given approval to resume their normal activities.
        **cue suspicious cat**
        Here’s an article that gets into the particulars of the CDC restrictions. It’s lengthy.
        *https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/24/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-fort-detrick-research-suspension.html

        There is much more to this. I’ve been mulling over several other items I could post, but have yet to get my act together.

        CDC Lab Contamination Delayed Release Of Coronavirus Tests
        *https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/18/cdc-coronavirus-test-contamination/

        .Cross contamination of coronavirus test kits reportedly happened at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) central laboratory in Atlanta after manufacturing practices were violated.
        The inability of the CDC to rapidly produce a test kit for the novel coronavirus was caused by a “glaring scientific breakdown” at the lab in Atlanta, “according to scientists with knowledge of the matter and a determination by federal regulators,” The Washington Post reported.

        “The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process,” the Post reported.

        >>>>>>>>>>>

        Yeah, instead they REQUIRE little babies get vaccines containing RAT RNA (well mouse) that GIVES YOU CANCER and all sorts of neurological diseases like Alzheimers.

        Judy Mikovits on mouse RNA in vaccines, how FauXi suppressed it and ‘gain of function’ bio-weapon research.

        *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo

        Dr Jason Fung explains the Financial Conflicts of Interests and the End of Evidence-based Medicine:

        *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IO2DZjOkY&feature=emb_logo

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>

        Czech Microbiologist Says #Covid_19 Virus Was Created In A Laboratory
        *https://www.disclose.tv/czech-microbiologist-says-covid-19-virus-was-created-in-a-laboratory-395683
        Apr 6, 2020

        Dr. Sona Pek is one of the top molecular biologists in the world. She was the first to develop a test to identify the presence of Coronavirus in the human body. It is called the simple test. She has also analyzed the virus at the molecular level.

        Her finding is that the virus is man-made, in a laboratory. That is, that its genetic code has been modified by human intervention.

        The test she developed can detect the presence of COVID-19 in just one hour. She has published her findings and offered them free to medical experts around the world.

        The interesting part of the interview starts around 15 minutes where she describes unnatural mutation of the virus with a high probability of unnatural genetic manipulation. The last three minutes of this DEVASTATE the notion this is a naturally-occurring virus.….

        The video has English captions and is 20 minutes long

        *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmL7okhbVzU

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        So WHY ISN’T HER TEST IN USE here in the USA??? WHY were results hung up for days if not weeks?

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    1. Yes…several climatologists have said that we very well could be entering another Grand Solar Minimum.

      The SpaceWeather site loves to have solar activity to report on.
      They have been cheering on even the slightest little hint that a new sunspot might be forming…and often are disappointed when it doesn’t happen.

      Yesterday, they posted this graph of wishful thinking:

      But then took it down rather quickly.

      Now, there is a story about the ‘appearance’ of a solar flare, due to the current atmospheric conditions.

      Someone sent them this photo and asked:
      “Is this a solar flare?”


      .
      …………..SpaceWeather answered: [emphasis mine]

      Christopher Flores took the picture while watching the sunset from Phoenix, Arizona, on Sept. 13th. “Smoke from wildfires in California dimmed the sun so much that I could photograph it. Is that a solar flare?”

      If only… The sun hasn’t produced a significant solar flare in more than a month. In fact, the solar disk has been completely blank–without sunspots–for the past 27 days. Solar Minimum conditions are very much in effect.

      The luminous plumes and splashes in Flores’ excellent photo are caused by the turbulent exhaust of the passing airplane. Thermal irregularities in air behind the plane stretched and distorted the edge of the sun, creating apparent fireworks greater than any real solar flare in 2020.

      ………………End quote.

      I’m sure they’re not happy about that.
      😄

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    2. Yes, its one of those ironies of the history of astronomy. Galileo and a few others saw and recorded sunspots for the first time (using telescopes)…then we entered that “Maunder Minium” on the chart and sunspots became downright rare. I imagine many scientists for that century would have wondered what those early guys were smoking–except that a sunspot or two would turn up from time to time, just often enough to assure people they weren’t unicorns.

      (I’ve actually managed to photograph sunspots–albeit just barely–with nothing more than an ordinary camera with a 300 mm lens on it and a solar filter over the lens (that last part is very, very important! 😀 ). I did this while actually photographing the last Venus transit, and the sun had a few slightly darker patches on it that actually turned out to be exactly where the sunspots were at that time.)

      Another interesting irony was that there were two visible-to-the-human-eye supernovas during the 50 years before the invention of the telescope…then none after that at all until 1987, and even that one was not in our galaxy! The two from before were a few thousand light years away, SN 1987 was over a hundred thousand light years away (and still visible to the naked eye)! We’re WELL overdue. If Betelgeuse goes, it will be visible in daylight…and will cast shadows at night. It is MUCH closer than those old supernovas were, and it could go any time in the next 100,000 years. It could go before I hit “Post Comment” though admittedly that’s unlikely.

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        1. One can hope so in her case.

          I sometimes stare at Betelguese, the star, wondering if it’s going to go kablooey!! any time soon and wreck the outline of the constellation of Orion…after a couple of years of the explosion outshining everything in the night sky put together, possibly excepting the moon.

          A supernova outshines the entire galaxy it is in. If you were a billion miles from a supernova, you’d die from the neutrino radiation before the blast wave hit. Yes, the neutrino radiation, which is ninety percent of the supernova’s output. And that would be true even if you were behind a big planet when it happened. (We detected neutrinos from SN 1987A, even at this great distance, and even though only the tiniest fraction of neutrinos ever interacts with anything on their flight path, much less our piddly little detectors.)

          I hope, if I were looking at Betelgeuse when it blows up, I would remember to doff my hat. It’s been with us for all of recorded history and no doubt quite a bit longer, close enough to the celestial equator to be visible from everywhere but Antarctica. But nothing, nothing, lasts forever.

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        1. Indeed. I am of course envisioning the light getting here. Especially since there’s absolutely no way to know about it before then, even in principle.

          If memory serves, Betelgeuse is 800 light years (or so) away.

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          1. Well, there are three obvious ways….

            First, is the Qarate Qid method: “tachyon…..tachyoff”.

            Second would be “I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.” It helps to cultivate acquaintances who habitually wear robes in a desert.

            And, third, of course, is to read about it…..in the infamous edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future that describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: “A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came.”

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  6. Twitter has this ‘News’ item posted…in order to highlight tweets & articles about it by NPR and CNN:


    .
    Whistleblower says federal officials asked about availability of ‘heat ray’ before clearing DC protesters

    ………..Quote:

    According to documents obtained by NPR and CNN, Major Adam D. DeMarco said that at around noon on June 1, federal forces sent an email asking whether the DC National Guard had a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD), or a device called the Active Denial System (ADS). The ADS, which is a non-lethal device developed by the military in the early 2000s, is also referred to as a “heat ray” and makes the skin feel like it’s burning. The email was allegedly sent hours before law enforcement officials were ordered to clear protesters gathered at Lafayette Square in Washington, DC. The Washington Post reports a Defense Department official downplayed the allegations, saying emails asking about specific weaponry were routine to determine available equipment.

    ……………End quote.

    The NPR article has this PDF which has a letter from DeMarco’s lawyer, David H. Laufman…plus a copy of DeMarco’s testimony:

    Click to access DeMarco-Response-to-Committee-QFRs.pdf


    .
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913748800/military-police-leaders-weighed-deploying-heat-ray-against-d-c-protesters?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social
    .
    .
    I’ve read about the ADS devices…and from what I remember, the only way they could be harmful is:

    🔹 If the ray is left on in one direction for a length of time.
    And,
    🔹 If the crowd has moisture on their skin, such as perspiration.

    Deploying short bursts, fanning across the crowd, would be harmless.
    Uncomfortable, yes…but not harmful.

    And…David H. Laufman?
    I’m trying to remember where I’ve seen that name before.
    🤔

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    1. I keep hearing that this info is the result of a whistleblower talking. For the life of me, I cannot see anything to blow a whistle about.

      What is so bad about discussing an actual piece of military hardware that is known to exist by the public?

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    1. We’ve been dealing with our own smoke turning the sky tan…not as bad as near the fires, of course, but noticeable, and sometimes we can smell wood smoke. Many people I know are far more sensitive to it than I am. But as far as I know that’s all been *Colorado* fires, not Oregon ones.

      As a matter of trivia, the Left/YSM/DNC complex deems the stories of the recent fires in Australia being set by arsonists rather than “climate change” to be either completely fictitious or to be exaggerating one or two cases out of many dozens of fires, so expect that to happen in this case as well.

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    1. The simple fact of the matter is that Jesus probably looked like the typical Middle Easterner.

      It’s extremely unlikely he looked like the blond chiseled Nordic guy on much of our artwork today, e.g.:

      Even this is probably pushing it (it’s still a northern European face even if the hair color is right for someone from Judea/Galilee):

      But of course, people will create pictures of Jesus in their own image. Including in Korea, where Jesus is depicted with Korean facial features (and there’s just absolutely no way that can be historically accurate). I’d show pictures, but sometime in the ten years ago since I first heard of this, “Korean Jesus” has become a meme joke, and nothing I see today when I do a search looks for sure to be authentic.

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              1. Ah.

                Of course, I never said he wasn’t.

                He absolutely had to have been charismatic (which is not quite the same as beautiful, to be sure) or no one would have followed him.

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              1. Hey, Patty! Overcast here – miss the rising sun – but, the flowers are still blooming – and the trees, bushes, and grass are a brilliant green!

                God Bless Your Day, too! Hugs!!!

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  8. From my little spot in the PNW here’s my update.been trapped inside the house over a week now due to smoke,we all have cabin fever and want to open the windows and go outside but don’t dare as the smoke is very dense. The smoke is getting to everyone ,we have all been coughing and it’s hard to breathe for me .I’ve been using the nebulizer a lot more than usual and still having difficulties. We are on track for rain tonight with more wind to blow smoke away which would be such a relief.
    I’ve been so saddened by all the destruction everywhere.so many homes destroyed. People have lost everything and the death count is rising . I have seen signs along the freeway taking my son to work that say have you had enough yet Oregon? Stop voting Democrat. And Trump 2020 signs and banners everywhere.that has never happened here before and we all know why.it seems were not going to be quiet any longer.i have a huge Trump hanging in my yard right next to my flag this year.
    Well that’s all for the moment. Signing off from ground zero here in burnt out Oregon.

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    1. I’ve been so saddened by all the destruction everywhere.so many homes destroyed. People have lost everything and the death count is rising . I have seen signs along the freeway taking my son to work that say have you had enough yet Oregon? Stop voting Democrat. And Trump 2020 signs and banners everywhere.that has never happened here before and we all know why.

      So THIS is what it takes. 😦

      Actually, even if they vote R this year, I’m not at all convinced it will stick, not even long enough for the next midterm elections.

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  9. emails reveal low covid numbers in Nashville–mayor knew and tried to hide them from the public.
    FTA

    “Emails between the Mayor’s senior advisor & the Health Dept. reveal only a partial picture. But what they reveal is disturbing. The discussion involves the low number of coronavirus cases emerging from bars & restaurants & how to keep it from the public.” https://t.co/eDjCia6Qr8

    — Nick Short 🇺🇸 (@PoliticalShort) September 17, 2020

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/stunning-emails-reveal-nashville-mayors-office-colluded-metro-health-hide-actual-covid-numbers-citizens-business-owners-low/

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    1. It’s something like this that I don’t understand. Hiding facts to keep the death spiral of small biz, keep kids out of school, etc.. What exactly is the collective Dem mindset on this ?
      Is it all back to the inexplicable TDS ? It makes no sense to willingly cripple a city.

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      1. You have to step back and see the BIG picture.

        Marxism is the biggest world wide SCAM in Centuries. It would have gone NO WHERE WITHOUT people in power and people with money supporting it.

        BACKGROUND:
        From WIKI on Ludwig von Westphalen:

        Westphalen, was the youngest son of Christian Philip Heinrich von Westphalen (1724–92), who had been de facto “chief of staff” to Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick during the Seven Years’ War, and from whom he inherited the aristocratic title of baron.[1][2] Through his mother he was the descendant of many Scottish and European noble families….

        in 1816 Ludwig von Westphalen was transferred to Trier.[1]

        It was in Trier that he met and befriended Heinrich Marx, the father of Karl Marx….

        ….In fact, Ludwig was seen as the mentor and role model of Karl Marx, who referred to him as a “dear fatherly friend”.[1] It was Ludwig who first introduced Marx to the socialist teachings of Saint-Simon.[2] Marx’s dissertation was dedicated to Ludwig.

        So Marx was not exactly unfriendly with the aristocracy.

        MARX Connection to the central banking cartel:
        A wealth banker, his mother’s brother Benjamin Philips, financed Marx.

        Marx was born into the Jewish business class. His father was a lawyer, for businesses, and he owned vinyards. His maternal grandfather was a textile merchant and banker. His grandmother’s first cousin married Nathan Rothschild, founder of the British branch of the Rothschild banking dynasty. Lion Philips’ brother Benjamin was a “banker and industrialist”. Lion’s son Frederick was a banker.
        *http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=61017

        Also Nathan Rothschild was executor of Cecil Rhodes will around fifty years later. (Think Milner Round Tables like the The Council on Foreign Relations and Council for Economic Development that wiped out US farmers.)

        …….

        With that as background this passage from The Communist Manifesto makes a bit more sense:

        With that as background this passage from The Communist Manifesto makes a bit more sense:

        “The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade.

        ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

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        1. I am going to add Wolfies old comment
          ….

          wolfmoon1776
          July 4, 2019 at 12:03
          “Personally, I think that the POPULAR CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT that was pioneered by the Founders is what actually deserves to be called “socialism”, and that the monstrous FALLACY of “dictatorship of the proletariat” sold by royal elite lackey Marx using the psychology of envy and justified immorality is really “fake socialism”.

          There are extreme advantages to viewing things that way. It unravels a LOT of lies. In fact, I thank Gail Combs for pushing the whole notion of [fake] socialism as a tool of Euro-cabal / bankster / elite / monarchic forces. It REALLY unravels the history of the 19th century.

          Once I saw that [fake] socialism was an end-around by the forces opposing POPULAR-FREEDOM-BASED “American socialism”, it all made sense. Our logically organized egalitarianism is internally self-consistent. Their “you need a monarchic elite to manage your populism” theory is full of crap.
          This, BTW, explains why [probably Canadian-based] leftists struck me so hard during the Obama administration, when I noted that communist dynasties descended to a kind of weird familial monarchic structure. I was jumped immediately and hard by professional psychologically trained trolls, most of which at that time were paid Obama backers based in Canada. This told me that they were extremely sensitive on the point.”

          >>>>

          Actually it was called (CLASSICAL) Liberalism until the ‘Progressives’ Stole it.

          If you want to know what the Communist ‘Utopia’ the ‘Progressives’ have in mind for us looks like…

          THE POST SUSTAINABLE FUTURE

          Your government is a corporatocracy, a new authoritarian state in the process of consolidating your output into a more controllable, exploitable channel…

          The technology that is being marketed to you is actually being used to condition you to expect to be spied on, and to spy on others. Every totalitarian state in history has relied on data collection. The Nazis were masters of data collection and analysis. Your government now has technological capabilities that far exceed anything ever seen on the planet to this date. You are in the midst of the biggest public relations scam in the history of the world. The pretty pastel vision of life in a Smart Growth development is a manipulation, a mask. In fact these plans are designed to restrict your freedom of movement and choice.

          Transit villages (formerly known as cities) will be restricted to having only the population that can be supported by food grown within a 100 mile radius (called a ‘food shed’)….

          NOTICE the PLANDEMIC and the RIOTS ALL DESTROY SMALL BUSINESSES!!! The corporations want small businesses killed of completely.

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          1. Thanks much for the replies…both excellent. I can’t wrap my brain around my fellow citizens, whether it’s a Mayor or voter or ? thinking the socialist concept of killing small business is a good thing.

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            1. BIG BUSINESS has the $$$

              We got F…Ked royally when the Supreme Court said CORPORATIONS could donate to candidates and PACs could get MILLIONS (unlimited $$$) add in LOBBYISTS and the government became FOR the Corporation By the Corporation.

              It should be $15,000 per person PERIOD! AND NO LOBBYING! MAKE our Representatives get their asses BACK HOME to find out what the CITIZENS WANT!

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      2. Re-election of Donald J. Trump means jail for many DIMs…

        It means the END of CENTRAL BANKS and the theft of wages and savings of hard-working Americans.

        It means the END of … I could go on all day… but it certainly means the end of the Democrat Party, the

        end of the Deep State and the crippling of the Cabal. Whether the Cabal is destroyed or not will depend

        how things play out across the Globe of course.

        my 2 cents of course

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        1. President Trump has been setting it up so the strangle hold of the Cabal on other countries is loosen. IF you cut off the HEAD of a snake you kill it no matter where it is hiding.

          Soros is NOT the head he is just a very loyal puppet. President Trump gave us the key when he mentioned very wealthy very foolish people whose names we would not know.

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  10. WTH????
    in Houston, they are radnomly selecting homes to give a blood sample and answer questions–for the greater good—with the power of the CDC behind it?
    FTA
    With the kind of coordinated fanfare you might normally expect to see in a province of communist China, the City of Houston, Texas has announced a new program that will “randomly” select Houston residents who will be surprise visited at their homes by city officials and paramedics seeking to draw blood from every person living at that address as part of some grand pandemic medical experiment “for the greater good.”

    Essentially, there will be a knock on your door, and if you open that door, you will be greeted with needle-gripping “authorities” who will demand that you and all your family members fill out highly intrusive forms and submit to a blood draw. Your blood will then be analyzed and added to a government database, tied to all the personal information you surrendered on the form, all under the guise of an “antibody study.”

    From what we’ve seen so far, no city official has yet said the program is voluntary. “If we knock on your door, I strongly encourage you and your loved ones to participate in this important survey,” said Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner in a press release issued by the Houston Health Department.

    https://coercioncode.com/2020/09/11/door-to-door-medical-tyranny-city-of-houston-to-dispatch-covid-medical-teams-to-draw-blood/

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        1. Houston took in a lot of people from Katrina.
          It was supposed to be temporary…but I think a lot of them stayed.

          Texas has also been targeted by the DNC in their operation ‘Turn Texas Blue’.
          😕😖

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    1. Yes, he’s a Democrat. I strongly encourage means PLEEZ PLEEZ PLEEZ. There’s NO WAY they can force you to cooperate Door Slamming time! TRACING is a bunch of NAZI GARBAGE. Big WASTE of Money, IMO. So glad I don’t live in City limits. Waiting for his Bestie, Dictator County Judge, to try that nonsense in the greater Harris County area where most R’s live. She best not dare! We have over 7million people in the area, they CAN’T AFFORD it. Governor Abbott is too smart to give financing for that. Houston already wasted $50 million setting up and tearing down a hospital in Reliant Stadium parking lot that went unused. LOL.

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      1. Yes…finally.

        Though last I head you had to have a concealed carry permit to openly carry. Hopefully that has changed!

        Colorado is technically an open carry state (it’s even legal in banks!)–it says so in our constitution, article 2 section 13–but Denver banned it, and the state Supreme court failed to overthrow the Denver law when one justice had to recuse themselves because they had handled the case at a lower level, and the vote came down 3-3, which of course failed to overturn. And government buildings are often posted with “The Display of Weapons in this facility is prohibited” which means not that you must be unarmed, but rather that if you carry it you gotta conceal it (and you’d better have a concealed carry permit to do that, because our state constitution specifically does NOT protect concealed carry).

        Article II, section 13:

        The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

        Like any other constitution, it’s worth exactly as much as the integrity of the government that upholds it. And ours here has no integrity.

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        1. here it is

          citizen817 says:
          September 17, 2020 at 12:49 am

          4722
          Add it all up.
          1. Virus
          2. Riots [organized _ANTIFA]
          3. Fires
          The ‘Why’:https://t.co/PvQ9FAyJNt
          Make no mistake, they will not concede on Election Night.

          Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design
          Playbook known.
          Q pic.twitter.com/VJihDGDyaL

          — Karli 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) September 16, 2020

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          1. POTUS can and will easily put down the riots – my only concern is that he doesn’t roll over if they steal the election. It’s criminal what they’re doing with vote fraud – so NO to the final Communist takeover.

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            1. “my only concern is that he doesn’t roll over if they steal the election. “

              Are you talking about POTUS the QUEENS STREET FIGHTER? the COUNTERPUNCHER?

              🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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              1. TY Gail. I think like you do – first time that we’ll see someone not give way – POTUS knows if he lets them steal the election – the country is destroyed.

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  11. H/T NICCO

    Father, we thank You that Your hand is upon our president mightily.

    We cover him with the precious shed blood of Jesus Christ and decree and declare Zachariah 2;5 over him and his family.

    Let the fire of Your glory surround them and that no witchcraft, no voodoo, no hex, no vex, no curse, no power, no principality, and no demon in hell shall prosper against them.

    Father, we ask that You dispatch legions of Your warring angelic hosts to destroy every plot and plan of the enemy.

    Father, let Your anointing rest strongly upon him at all times and our nation is brought totally back to You.

    Father, we praise You, we glorify You in the name above all names, Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and soon to return, Messiah. Amen.

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  12. H/T GARRISON HALL

    For a long time now I’ve been interested in knowing more about virtuosity. One thing I’ve found that’s pretty interesting is that virtuosos don’t have a lot of self-doubt. They learn at an early age that they’re a bit different, usually showing talent well beyond their years. Perhaps the most significant thing that sets them apart is their confidence: they simply know how good they are.

    I thought about this tonight as I was listening to Andrea Motis performe with her teacher, Joan (pronounced Juan) Chammoro and their jazz band. Andrea was Joan’s student at the Sant Andreu music school in Barcelona. Amazingly this wonderful school is a part of the regular Barcelona school system. We have nothing like this here in the States. Oh, yeah. She was all of 19 when she made this video. She even scat-sings in English!

    Moody’s mood for love Andrea Motis Joan Chamorro quintet & Scott Hamilton

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  13. H/T MANDY

    Story out of Nashville…

    “Leaked emails between the senior adviser to Nashville’s Mayor and a health department official reveal a disturbing effort to conceal extremely low coronavirus cases emanating from bars and restaurants, while the lion’s share of infections occurred in nursing homes and construction workers, according to WZTV Nashville.

    On June 30th, contact tracing was giving a small view of coronavirus clusters. Construction and nursing homes causing problems more than a thousand cases traced to each category, but bars and restaurants reported just 22 cases.

    Leslie Waller from the health department asks “This isn’t going to be publicly released, right? Just info for Mayor’s Office?”

    “Correct, not for public consumption.” Writes senior advisor Benjamin Eagles. -WZTV”

    more at link:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nashville-authorities-concealed-evidence-hardly-any-covid-19-cases-contracted-bars-and

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  14. H/T DORA

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  15. LMAO…father defending his rioting daughter in Lancaster–says she was “acting as a medic” then admits he know practically NOTHING…
    then the LT Governor says the bail is unconstitutional–but here in PA, the GOVERNOR’S OWN ORDERS were found to be unconstitutional…that’s how we roll here…LOL
    FTA
    The father of Kathryn Patterson, 20, an undergraduate student at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, said she was acting as a medic, as she has at other protests in the recent past.
    Chip Patterson called Kathryn Patterson’s $1 million bail, set by a magisterial district justice, “obscene.”
    “Everything that I know so far, which is not a lot, indicates that Kat is not guilty of those charges. But then again, we’ll have to wait and see,” said Chip Patterson, who lives in Mercersburg, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) west of Lancaster.
    He said he has not been able to reach his daughter since her arrest.
    “I cannot tell you how long this night has been,” he said Tuesday afternoon. “I think regardless of what these people did or didn’t do, the bail amount is just outrageous and clearly against the Eighth Amendment,” which addresses bail.
    snip
    The $1 million bail quickly came under fire from Lt. Gov. John Fetterman and a local advocacy group, with Fetterman calling it “blatantly unconstitutional” and an infringement on the protesters’ Eighth Amendment right against excessive bail….
    “It’s self-evidently unconstitutional,” Fetterman said. “Whatever the merit of the underlying charges, what is absolutely indefensible is a million dollar bail for those charges.” …

    https://theothermccain.com/2020/09/16/lancaster-riot-bail-million-dollars/

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        1. The tab I saw was 2 billion and that does not include the fire damage or loss of livelihoods. Brent Cates estimates maybe as many as 300 actually people. we know they get shipped all over.

          The United States Supreme Court has found that punitive damages that are four times the amount of compensatory damages in civil suits.

          So that ups it to AT LEAST 8 billion or a tab of 26 million per destroyer. So yes, 1 million in bail is certainly in line with the damage these people have cause across the USA.

          ……………

          Here are just four cities:

          MINNEAPOLIS
          The city of Minneapolis has tallied at least $55 million in property damage and looting… More than 400 businesses have been damaged…

          PORTLAND
          In Portland, Ore., the costs related to nearly 80 nights of protests have soared past the $23 million mark in damages and lost revenue for downtown businesses.

          CHICAGO
          The Chicago Sun-Times reported the Floyd protests caused more than $20 million in property damage.

          NYC
          Not only have more than 300 officers been injured, but the demonstrations have also cost the city $115 million, plus another $179 million more in overtime….The cost of damages is estimated to be $996,700, according to the NYPD….
          https://www.foxnews.com/us/costs-protests-financial-toll-cash-strapped-us-cities

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  16. About those Direct Energy Weapons…mentioned here in this tweet:

    .

    I have wondered if some mega billionaire could create their own military force.
    People like Jeff Bezos have enough money to do that…if they wanted to.

    So I wonder if they could have their own satellite equipped with DEW weapons?

    There are several private satellite-launching companies.
    All it takes is money.

    There were so many things that were ‘not right’ about those fires last year in CA.
    Things burnt…with a precision that is not normal.

    Like houses burned without trees burned around them:


    .

    Strange burn patterns:


    .

    Trees burning from the inside out:


    .

    Some people swear that they saw “beams of light” coming down from the sky.

    So I have wondered…if some leftist billionaire might have his own DEW weapons.
    It would’ve been easy to keep something like secret while Hussein was in office.

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      1. Yeah, none of the ‘explanations’ make sense.

        I’ve seen cars burn…but the metal doesn’t liquify like that.

        We get wildfires here too…and I’ve seen the wind cause fires to jump from one area to another.
        But *never* with that kind of precision!

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    1. I posted this yesterday

      D. E. W. ATHENA Laser Weapon
      ATHENA, (Advanced Test High Energy Asset),

      CapnTates
      5 months ago

      1: they are visible, if you check the correct wavelength (IR cameras have been around for ages)
      2: The ammo is not unlimited, because they use energy and a LOT of it.
      3: Travels at speed of light, but the damage takes a few seconds, aiming at the exact same spot
      And as a bonus: vehicles may protect themselves from this device with more reflective surfaces and/or active cooling, which are both much easier to do than building this laser device.
      Technology will catch up sooner than later, maybe making this thing obsolete before they can use it

      So you can bet your booties the US MILITARY spy sats and planes KNOW!

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  17. H/T REBEL53BLOG

    TRUMP Rally Update:

    Great American Comeback Event in Mosinee, WI
    Thu, September 17, 2020
    08:00 pm (CDT)

    Great American Comeback Event in Bemidji, MN
    Fri, September 18, 2020
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    Great American Comeback Event in Fayetteville, NC
    Sat, September 19, 2020
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    Great American Comeback Event in Swanton, OH
    Mon, September 21, 2020
    07:00 pm (EDT)

    https://www.donaldjtrump.co…

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    1. LIVE STREAM LINKS for tonight’s Peaceful Protest!
      RSBN – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NYbW9b3HCY
      CSPAN – https://www.c-span.org/video/?475727-1/president-trump-speaks-mosinee-wi
      OANN – will carry the rally – via subscription or cable
      GST – ? – could not carry last rally due to family needs.
      FOX BUSINESS – ? – carried last week, but no link yet.
      TRUMP CAMPAIGN LIVE STREAM – sign up – https://events.donaldjtrump.com/events/livestream-president-donald-j-trumps-great-american-comeback-event-in-mosinee-wi

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  18. People thrashing Harris Faulkner and Melissa Francis for yesterday’s segment w/Newt. He mentioned Soros funding chaos, Marie Barf declared it was inappropriate to mention him, and the hosts just sat there in silence. It was very awkward.

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      1. Marie Harf is a nasty little bug of a human being. It looks like Soros’ money is everywhere. For the record, Soros poured thousands of dollars into the 2018 races as well – that’s how little known names won some of our congressional district races. All of a sudden they were flush with money to run local ads which did in our GOP folks. We’re talking 100’s of thousands of dollars.

        DJT can run a lower cost campaign at his level, but in local races money does make a difference, especially when running nasty ads against the incumbents.

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        1. Do not forget the NASTY ADS PLUS GOOGLE suppressing any and ALL rebuttals. (That is KEY!)

          Happened to a local guy I know. He had a store with the usual Lotto stuff and a grand total of TWO Video poker machines. All perfectly legal
          Video poker machines were once widespread in the state [of NC], but 2000’s state regulations limited video poker machines to three per site and banned the installation of new video gaming machines…”
          https://professorslots.com/north-carolina-slot-machine-casino-gambling/

          His opponent accused him of being part of the illegal gambling mob, stories were run and HE NEVER GOT TO REFUTE THE CHARGE, nor was he ever arrested. (Local gas station owner WAS arrested BTW)

          He LOST because he was a republican and FOR FRACKING but they used the WRAP UP SMEAR on him with a little help from GOOGLE.

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  19. Indo-Pacific News
    @IndoPac_Info

    Pompeo: ‘Tide Has Turned’ Against #China’s Tech Espionage, Financial Pressure on Other Nations

    “China operates under a “fundamentally false assumption” that #US is “a declining nation” rather than a country fully committed to preserve a rules-based order”
    .

    .

    Text of three more tweets in this thread:

    “Turning the other cheek” to Chinese bullying, human rights violations, intellectual property theft and grasping for global hegemony “no longer made sense” to the Trump administration.

    “The American people fundamentally need to see the threat” from China as broad-based and immediate. He added that America’s European allies are realizing how “tens of millions of jobs [have been] stolen” by China’s technological espionage and trade practices.

    “The central pillar of China’s power is its economic might,” and the US & its allies & partners in Europe & the Indo-Pacific are not going to let that go unchallenged. The Chinese “are not 10-feet tall” militarily, diplomatically & technologically, Pompeo added during the speech.

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    1. They are like vampires they only come out at night to ‘play’

      Brent Cates mentioned the ‘normal’ protesters show in the daytime and then go home. The hardcore gear up the destruction for after 1PM this is when most people get sleepy from their natural circadian rhythm.

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  20. I may have missed it here somewhere, but I think we may be missing something scary in one of Q’s latest drops. It’s this:

    “Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design

    I remembered something about “Anarchy 99.” It’s in a movie I liked, called XXX.

    I found this about it:

    https://wearethene.ws/notable/139907

    ““Anarchy 99 is rumored to be in possession of a biochemical weapon called “Silent Night”, the NSA tries to infiltrate them…

    …Cage then soon discovers a secret laboratory in which the re-engineering of the gas “Silent Night” has just been finished and a waterborne drone called “Ahab” is revealed. To tie up loose ends and to demonstrate the power of the gas to a witnessing Yelena, Yorgi gasses all the scientists who helped him. It was then Yorgi announced of his true plot: he will launch Ahab into many cities around the world (starting with Prague) and utilize the “Silent Night” that will kill millions of people in bringing worldwide anarchy.””

    If this is what Q is referencing, this is terrifying. Anarchy 99 aims to kill millions of people with a poison.

    What do you all think it means?

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        1. Cross posting.

          Have NOT reduced my prepper readiness posture, that was markedly increased as Covid ramped up in February and March. Actually has increased as I’m a bit uneasy with all the D-Rat, deep state, Soros driven unrest. Surely ChiComs are in on all of this.

          Recent revelations about the Covid ChiCom created.

          My intentions have gravitated to maintain and selectively increase readiness through Electoral college vote, IIRC, Electoral College votes 14 December.

          Then reassess. Maintain, increase or draw down.

          Not trying to be Eeyore or paranoid, just so much turmoil being injected by deep state.

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    1. This is good. I noticed that Anarchy-99 reference, but had no idea what it was.

      This is very good, because it means we can be utterly prepared for what they’re going to do. I suspected what might happen – Q has confirmed it.

      There are things we need to discuss but not openly. At a certain point we will, perhaps on Gab chat.

      Because Q Team understands what we’re up against, there is no need to panic. However, if the Q movement is PREPARED for what happens, we will be a source of both strength and information to others.

      Yes, this is going to be very interesting.

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  21. Regarding that explosion that happened here in OK last night…

    So okay, it happened near the intersection between Piedmont Road and Waterloo Road, in a semi-rural area, NW of Oklahoma City.

    This was a buried Gas line that exploded.
    It’s not like it was exposed…with easy access to it.

    Here’s what gets weird:
    There was a line of fire running along Waterloo Road, leading up to the explosion which caused a huge crater.

    👉 It was like someone drew a line…of fire…along the road, till it hit the pipeline.

    You can see it in this video:

    .

    Here is a shot of the crater:

    .

    In this video on the Channel 9 site…their guy on the scene tells about some of the law enforcement there, told him that the power poles near the explosion, a “burning from the inside out”.

    The poles are still standing, but…’burning from the inside out’.

    It’s at the 0:53 mark on this video:

    http://www.news9.com/story/5f634a70cc1b370bb2a87d99/piedmont-explosion-shuts-down-portion-of-waterloo-road
    .

    So I don’t know what to think…

    *puts on tinfoil hat*

    Someone doing some target practice with a DEW weapon?
    They had a map of pipelines.
    Line of fire leading right up to the explosion crater where it hit the gas line.
    Utility poles still standing…but burning from the inside out.

    If it weren’t for the weirdness of it, I wouldn’t be wondering about such things.

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    1. Spent 15 min looking for other instances of poles burning from inside out..couldn’t find any. Seems strange to me. Not that it couldn’t happen but that it doesn’t usually happen unless xyz happens..what is the ‘ xyz’ factor?

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        1. I saw those. Eerie looking but I can see how that could happen. Redwood bark , maybe others are sort of fire resistant and if there was a opening at bottom it would create a fireplace type of thing..??? lol, so strange though……can’t see how it happens in a power pole .

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