The Revelations of Sundance of MAGA – Evidence Discussion 01 – Weissmann Panic in DC

OK, people. PRO or CON, you have all gotten your Sundance YA-YAs OUT OF YOUR SYSTEMS on the other thread, namely:

The Revelations of Sundance of MAGA (With A Foreword by Attorney General William Barr)

I am now asking that all discussion of “YAY” or “NAY” on Sundance be kept on THAT THREAD.

You want to fight about whether you trust Sundance? Keep it on that thread. I do NOT want ANY of that stuff on this thread, and that includes ME responding to you. I will not delete your post and leave mine – I will delete MY response as I realize what I’m responding to, then your post.

We are ONLY going to be talking about Sundance’s new assertions and evidence PER SE and what we think about them. Not “in general” – very specifically. Fighting over Sundance as a source will be ejected from this thread WITH PREJUDICE. That includes waffly “not so sure about this” questioning of the evidence, as a sneaky way to bring “anti-Sundance Eeyorism” [oh, I love the KARMA on that one] into the discussion. GOT LOGIC? Good. We like LOGICAL THINKING because we’re Q followers.

Advice? LURK if you can’t zip your fly and restrain from pissing on SD. Since I can’t BAN FROM THREADS, I’ll just DELETE YOUR POSTS.

Understood? Good.

We have free speech – and some of it is over THERE so that those of us who want to actually discuss the evidence can do so here.

This is like a Trump rally. We have a demonstration zone which has just as big a digital footprint as this one – it’s just OVER THERE.

HERE WE GO.


Sundance is now showing more strongly his theory that the Mueller SC, really the Weissmann SC, is central to the coup. This is TODAY’S TWITTER TIMELINE.


What do you think? I have some thoughts here, and I want to see if anybody ELSE is thinking what I am. What I am thinking is something I suspected WEEKS AGO, based on several Sundance assertions that seemed just a bit “too knowing”. These tweets revived that suspicion.

I want to see if any of YOU ALL are thinking the same thing.

BUCKLE UP!

W

219 thoughts on “The Revelations of Sundance of MAGA – Evidence Discussion 01 – Weissmann Panic in DC

  1. “Durham, a career fed. prosecutor, has an excellent reputation within the defense bar as a non-partisan, straight shooter.”

    ______________

    I consider his reputation as a ‘straight shooter’ a weakness.

    If you’re in Dodge City, or better yet, the O.K. Corral, and NOBODY is ‘straight’, then the LAST thing you want to be is a ‘straight shooter’.

    The simple fact is that when a COUP is going on, when the fate of the REPUBLIC is at stake, this whole vain idea of Happy Do-Gooder riding in to save the day isn’t just naive, it’s flat out dangerous.

    If anyone claims to be a ‘straight shooter’, that means truth and honesty, and nobody who is truthful or honest can pretend like the Left — ALL OF THEM — are engaged in a war against our country, WITH massive aiding and abetting by FOREIGN POWERS, primarily RED COMMUNIST CHINA.

    So pretending like you don’t understand that, or worse, pretending like you can ignore it, isn’t a strength.

    It’s a weakness.

    It’s saying that REALITY doesn’t matter.

    It’s Queensberry worship.

    And if Queensberry ever won or succeeded at anything, I’ve never heard of it.

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      1. See, there is One of the problems I have with this particular tract. ONE it ASSUMES, that this was totally contained in that SAME small group that was asserted, and as we KNOW it is NOT. It was wide ranging, multifaceted on MANY fronts from DOJ, FBI, SC, Congress, MSM, CIA, WH, State, NSA, Fission GPS, DNC, the Hillary camp and acolytes, Five Eyes, and especially FOREIGN intelligences and SPIES.

        Now, lets go to the ALTERNATE premise, the one I have ALWAYS put forth, that YES the SC was a setup to retroactively “justify” and make “legal” all the previous spying. THAT fits the narrative. But FOCUSING on ONE part, the FISC court, and those intel setups involving SSCI, Wolfe, and the SC covering it up, no matter HOW correct the narrative IS,. IGNORE the bigger picture, that ALL of this was widespread,, in a CONSPIRACY, involving HUNDREDS of people throughout our and OTHER Governments.

        YES, Mueller was a figure head, YES Weismann was the REAL control of that SC investigation.

        BUT, it does NOT stop or BEGIN there, it is simply ONE part of the picture. The BIG picture was that Mueller, etal, were used as a retroactive JUSTIFICATION for the ENTIRE original spying. The ones involving Nellie Ohr, and the dossier. Remember, THIS particular track, involves the FISC and FISA fraud on Page. THAT, except for the ILLEGALITES of it, is only PART of the BIG picture.

        See, that FISA and FISC stuff, on Page, were attempts AGAINJ at retroactive justification, AFTER all the previous spying, you know the stuff that PREDATES Page, like Manafort, Cohen, Papadopoulos, Flynn, Don Jr, and Trump. ALL of that was BEFORE Crossfire Hurricane began on Jul. 31 2016.

        See ALL that was ILLOEGAL before Jul 31 2016, when the Crossfire, and its AUTHORIZED spying etc. BEGAN. Papa was set up in APRIL and MAY of 2016, Manafort in MARCH of 2016, Don Jr on Jun 9 2016, Flynn in DECEMBER (originally) of 2015, and Trump and Cohen in BEFORE that in EARLY 2015.

        There WAS NO FISA then, there was NO FISC then, there was ONLY the dossier and IT’S allegations. This tract IGNORES that, and ALL the FOREIGN spies and intel agencies involved THERIN Like Italy, UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

        Now without (hopefully) pissing anyone off, thee article writer, is BUYING INTO the ORIGINAL spygate premise, that this ALL began with Carter Page, and YES they DID railroad and LIE on Page, and THEN tried to cover it up, LIE about it will all the stuff the author mentions, with Wolfe, Warner, ETC. BUTY that is ONLY trying to JUSTIFY the ORIGINAL lie, that PAGE was the predicate. REMEMBER, even PAGE was set up using…ta da …THE DOSSIER.

        Adam Schiff OFREVER blew that NARRATIVE, when he SCREWED the Cabal timeline using PAGE as the predicate, when he himself introduced George Papadopoulos as THE predicate in 2018, when he wrote his COUNTER memo to the Nunes memo, that RIGHTLY highlighted the Page setup, USINJG THE DOSSIER>

        I CARE about the ancillary stuff, the setups on Page, the COVERUPS by Weismann, and Warner, and Wolfe’s leak, BUT that should NOT be the FOCUS. The ORIGINAL spying, ILLEGAL, and WITHOUT a justification OR a WARRANT, is the REAL crime. It used FOREIGN assets on AMERICAN citizens AND a opposition Political frontrunner AND his associates and FAMILY. THAT should be THE focus, the BEGINNING, not the MIDDLE.

        Mueller’s PURPOSE was to STALL the reveal, ATTACK Trump, by ANY means necessary, AND to rewrite the TIMELINE that would AID in covering the crimes and REAL start date. ANYTHING that jeopardized that, was to be COVERED UP, and THAT is exactly what this tract is highlighting, ONE of MANY coverup to prevent the TRUTH of the beginning. THE DOSSIER., WHO really ordered it, who REALLY wrote it, an HOW it REALLY got its “info”, and WHEN.

        See, I look at THIS article as a DISTRACTION, providing JUST enough REAL stuff that happened, to entice, BUT that is a RABBIT HOLE, a SHINY object. Spend your time and resources HERE, and do NOT look THERE.

        It ASSUMJES that Durham is a FEINT, BUT, we KNOW that Durham is REALLY doing stuff, and ALREADY HAS. Did we FORGET that Durham AND Barr went to ITALY BEFORE all this shit? WHO WAS IN ITALY. Did we SIMPLY FORGETR that? NO, I didn’t.

        IMHO, this ENTIRE CHARADE by that other author, appears to me to be a BAIT AND SWITCH, a redirect, AWAY from where WE SHOULD BE looking. YES it is TRUE, and most likely PROBABLE, but that is the POINT in a good distraction, provide just enough truth, and juicy tidbits, to direct people where you WANT them, away from the TRUE crimes, and attacking the one LOOKING at those crimes.

        IMHOI Durham, Huber, Bash, and yes MORE are ALL part of one big ginormous STING. ?YES they have to be separate AND “compartmentalized” Because DURHAM is not “doing anything” on ONE part of the sting, DOES NOT mean that there is not ANOTHER hidden US Atty that IS working on the SC.

        Durham may well( Read IS) working on ANOTHER part, likely the FOREIGN spies at the HEART of this. There are OTHERS most likely looking at CONGERSS, Others looking at STATE, and still others looking at the SENIOR WH personnel, and THEIR roles. There are LIKELY others looking at the MSM, Clinton, the NSC, Ukraine, and who KNOWS what else. Look at as one BIG banquet, they ALL have a “dish” to prepare to COMPLETE the banquet. To OPENLY insinuate, and ATTACK a single PART of this is NARROW minded, and DANGEROUS.

        WHY attack Durham? HE is NOT, let me repeat that NOT the HEAD of this total investigation. IT has ALWYS been BARR.

        Durham is part of a TEAM, just because we do NOT yet see the other members, does NOT mean they are NOT working toward the particular GOALS. as DURHAM is. WHO announced the Clinesmith indictment? Was it DURHAM? NO., it was BARR. Does THAT mean Durham is NOT working, HELL NO, it just means this MAY or MAY NOT be part of HIS area of responsibility. Perhaps the OTHER person that is being threatened to be “outted” IS WORKING on the SSCI, and the PAGE FISC debacle. WHAT purpose does OUTING anyone have?

        Ah, now you SEE, it does not PROVE that Durham is NOT working, it ONLY outs someone who WAS working, in secret, on the PAGE part. Counter productive, narrow minded, STUPID. It ONLY distracts, undermines Durham , the yet unnamed Atty, AND Barr.

        If I were running a counter info op, I would consider those things being done a SUCCESS. If I were running a STING trying to take down a criminal conspiracy Cabal, one that committed treason, a coup, sedition, espionage, and more, I would consider that threat, and reveal, an ATTACK to my entire operation, one that did NOT further MY end, but sure as HELL helped the Cabal.

        Now you see my problem with ANYONE doing this, not just one lone braggadocios blogger.

        ASSUNPTION is the mother of all F ups. ASSUMING Durham is ALONE, and NOT doing anything, while someone else very well IS, does NOT help, it HURTS the goal. Looking at Page, and his end and NOT THE rest is a GREAT big F up, and THAT is where this appears to be focused, JMHO.

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        1. I agree with you that it’s a sting, but its a sting that’s way ahead of the sharing of the details of the investigation. This allows the investigation to follow how the criminals react to the information that’s publicly shared.

          SD believes that the SC was running all of DOJ, under Rosenstein. Rosey was only acting AG for the Russia investigation. He didn’t have total control of all justice investigations, IMO. It was important to maintain the impression that he was all powerful, to provide cover for the investigators of the investigators so the criminals could be surveiled in real time. Think of all the criminal evidence that could be collected under this scenario. This is how rat king’s are encouraged.
          https://allthatsinteresting.com/rat-kings

          Reread the Comey memos from a different point of view; paying close attention to the background. Comey thinks he is in control, but is he?

          The most difficult part of this is telling the public that a secret investigation has been underway for a very long time; several administration’s, imo. The investigators don’t want to disclose sources and methods that are very effective and have been developed over decades. They need us to bear witness, think logically, share information and discuss our findings.

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        2. I agree this is NOT a ‘small Group’

          It not only spans many countries it spans CENTURIES and it has tentacles every where. This is looking at one hair on the butt of a Mammoth!

          And Yes Wiessman was running the SC and the Senate and gang of 8 and… was in on it.

          545 People Are Responsible For The Mess, But They Unite In A Common Con

          On February 3, 1984 Charley [Reese] originally published the column below.

          Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

          Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

          Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

          You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.

          You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

          You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

          You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

          You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

          One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country….

          And in 1913 the European Banksters figured out how to BUY ALL OF THEM!

          Since I wrote this and Wolfie made it an article, I found out that not only were the Banksters/Federal Reserve responsible for the Russian Revolution, they ALSO made sure the FAILING Communist Revolution in China — that was getting badly beaten — WON, but funding the attack on China by Japan!!

          So yes this is an important find by SD but if true, I thin Millie’s vid is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.

          HMMMmmmm,
          I just had a stray thought COINCIDENCE IN TIMING?? BOTH ON FRIDAY??

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          1. Did ONE distract from the OTHER? Also, never forget the banks ALOSO started TWO World Wars. The WWI was covered by Arch Duke Ferdinand, but it was REALLY money. Tehn WHAT lead directly to WW2? That’s right the stock market crash in 1929, and the subsequent GLOBAL depression, it hit GERMANY and Italy VERY hard, and it allowed dictators and ideologies to subvert and take over.

            I agree that Politicians are MUCH like my big Pharma meme, there is NO money in SOLVING crisis’s, the money is in CREATING them..

            Uniparty INDEED. Create a problem, FOMENT it, make it BAD, throw MONEY at the problem, NEVER solve the problem, built in PROFFIT, for a FEW.

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            1. WWI and WWII were HUGE money makers. Heck I think we are STILL paying off the ‘Debt’ to the Banksters.

              Remember in 1915 J.P. Morgan and the Munitions cartel BOUGHT THE PRESS. Also that was the entrance of Samuel Prescott Bush who managed the Rockeffeller’s Buckeye Steel Castings Company.

              “…. Samuel Prescott Bush became General Manager of Buckeye Steel Castings Company, which manufactured railway parts, in 1901. The company was run by Frank Rockefeller, the brother of oil magnate John D. Rockefeller, and among its clients were the railroads controlled by E. H. Harriman. In 1908 Rockefeller retired and Bush became President of Buckeye.

              Samuel Prescott Bush was also closely associated with Samuel Pryor, who, along with the Rockefellers, controlled the Remington Arms Company. During the First World War, Clarence Dillion, a senior figure at the War Industries Board, arranged for Bush, to become chief of the Ordnance Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the WIB. This involved giving out contracts to supply arms and ammunition to the United States Army. Over half of the small-arms ammunition and 69% of the rifles used by the United States in the war were supplied by Remington….”

              https://spartacus-educational.com/MDbushPR.htm

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    1. edit / correction: and nobody who is truthful or honest can pretend like the Left — ALL OF THEM — aren’t engaged in a war against our country,”

      And Queensberry worship is just another term for Battered Conservative Syndrome.

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    2. To be fair, SD is claiming that Durham’s investigation is a ruse and the -real- investigator is quietly working in secret (at least until Tuesday).

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        1. Because it is INTENTIONALLY muddied to confuse the Cabal (the MARK) and the MSM. It IMHO is VERY compartmentalized. Huber has one, Bash one, Durham one, OTHERS have MORE. ONE BIG investigation, under ONE or even ONE group of people is RIFE for a mistake, a loop hole, or being branded “political”

          Now, if there are MANY investigations, and they ALL lead to the SAME people, time and time AGAIN, rendering small bites, till we get to the HEADS, THEN it can all be tired together under conspiracy and RICO. ANY slipups would be to ONE track, not the WHOLE BALL of wax.

          That is why I keep highlighting NARROW focus is but ONE part, ONE branch, when we have an ENTIRE FORREST we are trying to prove.

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              1. I think it is why the MSM is always accusing President Trump of lying. Of COURSE HE LIES you idiots, He is in the middle of a war.

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              2. He ONLY lies to the Cabal. I think he tells us FAR more than ANY other President of the last 2 hundred years. Yes, he IIS at war. He is the ONLY one truly standing between US and THEM.

                I HOPE one of the FIRST things he does in 2021 is to reinstate the ANTI propaganda laws Obama EO’d away. THAT would take a VERY big arrow out of the Cabal quiver.

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      1. I also took him to mean that there is no Durham investigation at all, just like Huber was a head fake. And that if he were to tell us who the real investigator is, that it’s a low level nobody, then we’re all gonna be pissed as hell! That’s why his threat was supposed to be so powerful as to make Barr move. I could be wrong.
        Also, in another post, he mentioned that he met one of the investigators in DC, without knowing it at the time, not realizing until afterwards. That the person was extremely paranoid, and had thought SD had figured out that he was the investigator (when in fact he hadn’t at the time) Don’t know if this is the one he was threatening to out or not.

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    3. Our country was fought for and essentially founded with Guerilla Tactics.

      This was one of the main themes of that Mel Gibson movie, ‘The Patriot’.

      Marquis of Queensbury rules are rules of engagement that favor the larger army.
      Whoever has more canon fodder, wins by Queensbury rules.

      Guerilla Tactics usually win over Queensbury rules.

      It’s sorta like rock-crushes-scissors.

      Guerilla Tactics save the lives of the fighters, because you make swift surgical strikes and retreat…instead of standing there in a line taking fire.

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  2. Today I randomly stumbled across a recent article in “Rolling Stone” about the Seth Rich assassination. The article was published today (8/16/20). My immediate thought was, “Huh, I guess they expect THAT to come back into the news cycle soon if they’re running hit pieces on him for the first time in years.”

    Then I saw the tweet from SD:

    Very interesting timing doing Seth Rich hit pieces back into the news right after the SD deadline. Very interesting, indeed.

    Rolling Stone article:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/seth-rich-fox-news-sean-hannity-wikileaks-donald-trump-1040830/

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    1. The irony I find in this article is:
      ” how Fox ignored journalistic norms and basic human decency ”

      in view of how “journalists” have reported President’s Trump loss of his brother this weekend. Disgusting!

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    2. EXACTLY, that too is a BIG part of this, as is Assange. Rich and or Assange BLOW up the main premise of their attack, THEN there is the murder and railroading of Assange. ALL used to justify a CENTRAL premise, that was brought up WHERE first? Carter Page? NO, The DOSSIER.

      IT ALL goes to that, because As I have said, it ALL leads to that ONE boss.

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    1. OK – I’m willing to bite that Wolfe did SOME squealing, but from what I know, he mostly THREATENED to squeal on the SENATE, but didn’t actually come through on THEM, and THAT is where he got SAVED BY WEISSMANN.

      BUT – I think you’re right – to PROVE that he COULD squeal, he likely outed ALL the reporters BIG TIME, thinking they would not get in any real trouble.

      All that info, just sitting there waiting for RICO – unless it’s a STALL and a WHITEWASH.

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      1. Wolfe more likely threatened to reveal that HE was not the ONLY leaker in SSCI, and that THEY each had a reporter’s ear. THAT would be his POWER, not getting the reporters per se, but getting the SITTING Senators as LEAKERS of classified info as well.

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  3. Nothing can stop what is coming.
    Nothing.
    There will be no deals.
    These people are stupid.
    We have everything.
    They won’t be able to walk the streets in safety.
    Enjoy the show.
    Q

    .
    Word of the Week:

    Eviscerate

    verb

    To disembowel

    .
    Weissmann is terrified. Why?
    A: Because bad Karma is a stinking, fat bitch.

    Comey has not tweeted anything since July 24.

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              1. Where are we on the eight weeks? Week four is my recollection. But I didn’t make a note when President Trump made the remark.

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          1. Howdy ma’am…Sure do miss you….haven’t hardly had time to visit Marica’s either!!! Been bizy (still spend 12 hr/days some days…still stirring up/firing up, getting ready for just this time….and now it’s campaign time!!! WOOT!

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            1. I hear you loud and clear – we are all working OT to get things done – and keep well-informed – glad to know you are still rockin’ and rollin’ –

              * BIG HUG FOR YOU * * MISS YOU, TOO *

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    1. Clinesmith leads to Priestap, Priestap leads to McCabe, McCabe leads to Comey on THIS track (DOJ/FBI) I am SURE that there are State tracks, WH tracks, FISC tracks, MSM tracks, NSC tracks, CIA tracks, NSA tracks, and foreign intel tracks, ALL heading in their own lanes but SOON to be ALL TIED together

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      1. The trouble is, they could have stopped it at Clinesmith using ’80’s tech. Others may be hopeful Clinesmith can help lead to higher ups, but IMO Comey and the top will have cover sending it down to Clinesmith, and nobody “ordered or encouraged him” in jury-swaying words to do what he did. My “speculation”.

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        1. Perhaps, BUT, I go back to Q, “We have it ALL, Xbox coms, chatroom logs, the Starwars game logs. Plus, Comey is VAIN, and his hubris will be his down fall. I ALSO believe Comey and some others, Obama..cough…cough.. are MICRO managers. They have to have CPONTROL on everything or at LEAST input. They simply NEVER expected to be CAUGHT, look at the Page. Strzok texts as example, and even the Comey “contemporaneous” notes, memos, and the Susan Rice CYA.

          They PERCIEVED themselves SMARTER than they ACTUALLY were, and it SHOWS. They were SLOPPY, conceited, and ARROGANT. It WILL be their down fall.

          Some, STILL think, that Trump is Elmer Fudd. I think SOME, have FINALLY figured it out, and are NOW silent, too late though. PAIN coming.

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          1. Agreed.

            I also think that people (Patriots) had this take down PLANNED years ago and have been accumulating evidence for years. (RICO allows you to go back in time without Statute of Limitation. 🤣)

            However We as a People were too brainwashed and lulled by our Overlords. We HAD to have an Obama and ANTIFA and BLM to get people to WAKE-UP!

            4461
            Only When Evil Is Forced into the Light Can We Defeat It
            Q
            !!Hs1Jq13jV6
            13 Jun 2020 – 3:03:17 PM

            Only when evil is forced into the light can we defeat it.
            Only when they can no longer operate in the [shadows] can people see the truth for themselves.
            Only when people see the truth [for themselves] will people understand the true nature of their deception.
            Seeing is Believing.
            Sometimes you can’t tell the public the truth.
            YOU MUST SHOW THEM.
            ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE.
            It had to be this way.
            This is not another 4-year election.
            GOD WINS.

            Q

            It is only NOW that we were ready for the Trump card to be played.

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            1. BINGO! Plus, two t6hings top add. WHOSE specialty was RICO? Rudy Giuliani . The other thing is when yopu are going after not only an ex President or two, but the opposition PREDACESSOR, and not only THAT but the first black President, you MUST have all the I’s dotted and T’s crossed, THAT takes time, checking and REcheccking, double and triple sourcing.

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    1. I read somewhere that Millie was arrested for taking her mom’s phone at some point, and that her mom had DROPPED CHARGES, but it was used to go after her anyway. THAT sounds exactly like what these “shadow” people do – EXACTLY. It’s like the “Crowdstrike” of real life LAWFARE against citizens. The Demmunist legal paramilitary.

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      1. Now there’s a thought. That it was cover for something completely unrelated.

        I always thought that the SC “investigation” was more of a way to pen in all those lawyers, and create conflicts of interest, but them being alphabet agency assets needing cover is an intriguing supposition.

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              1. I know what you mean.
                😉😏
                Time seems to be just flying by…with no sign of slowing down.

                Miss you too!
                It’s so good to see ya again.
                😊🥰🤗

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              2. Well, I’m on muh Reader when I do have some time….I haven’t hardly even been on Marica’s blog….no time….Still tryin’ to save all I can….and so many are waking up that I talked to 5 years ago…hitting me up for info HA!
                BUT..til Election day.. (90days before VOTE is CAMPAIGN TIME)

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        1. I heard (the Barnes interview) that there is a hearing about CPS removing the children permanently. (Domestic Abuse)

          I am sure they REALLY REALLY want those kids as MAJOR leverage on them and possibly on Alex Jones too. (They had a Pedo go after his son.)

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  4. I’m trying to figure out what “WFO” stands for.
    🤔💁‍♀️

    As in…”…Dugan’s WFO investigative file”

    And “SSA” — what is that?

    Senate Select _________ ?

    Sorry if I’m the last person on earth to know what these are…but I would appreciate any help on what these stand for.

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          1. Agreed, I bet there was MORE than one, in EACH compartmenty of the Coup. EVERYONE had a handler, from Brennan to Halper on, Mifsud and Tawill, to Kerry with Nuland and Winer on Chalupa and Yovanovich. From Comey to McCabe to Strzok, Priestap, Baker, Page, TO B Ohr and his contacts with Steele and Simpson, to Simpsons contacts on Vesletskayia. From Clapper to Pelosi, Schiff, Warner, Feinstein, McCain, to Kramer. We also have the FISC connections with Strzok, Comey, and Rudolph Contreras. Then we have the SUB contacts like Simpson and Steele to the MSM, along with Blumenthal.

            Then it gets to the cross contacts between agencies like Steele, Simpson, Bruce Ohr, Halper, Clapper, McCain and the gang of 8.

            Then we have the FOREIGN connections with Brenna, Five Eyes, Downer, Halper, Mifsud, and GCHB. Recall the GCHB head RESIGNED the DAY AFTER Trump won…WHY?

            Then it gets REALLY interesting because we have the COC, the WHITE HOUSE and Obama to Power, Rice, to N Ohr.

            There ARE nexus points, points which will PROVIDE NO cover or deniability. ALL leading BACK to what I believe is THE predicate for it ALL, the dossier. THAT my friend as I have ALWAYS said, leads RIGHT to Obama. “In the END they ALL had only ONE Boss, Barack Hussein Obama.”

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            1. GCHB head = Robert Hannigan.

              Now isn’t this interesting…

              NOTE DATE! Sunday 24 February 2019
              “…The Mail on Sunday reports his departure followed the discovery that in 2013 he had given a character reference on behalf of a Catholic priest charged with possessing child pornography.

              The priest, who was said to have been a long-standing family friend of Mr Hannigan, was given a non-custodial sentence and went on to offend again, the paper said.

              Mr Hannigan’s involvement in the case was said to have been discovered during a major investigation into online chatrooms by the National Crime Agency….”
              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-chief-resigns-catholic-priest-paedophile-robert-hannigan-spy-agency-a8794161.html

              >>>>>>>>>

              I really doubt that was the actual reason given the UK problem with Muslim Rape Gangs and such that they have been turning a blind eye to for YEARS.

              https://www.breitbart.com/tag/muslim-rape-gangs/

              Here are examples: UK Government Office Knew About Mass Rape Gangs Decade Before Investigating

              AND
              Rotherham Council Tipped for ‘Social Worker of the Year’ Award After Rape Gang Scandal ‘Cover Up’
              “Rotherham Council has been nominated for a “social work employer of the year” award, despite the authority being slammed in government reports for failing 1400 girls raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs.”

              How Oxford’s police and social services allowed 370 underage girls to be raped

              “…This was going on for 15 years, remember. So where, you might wonder, were the police?

              Well the report makes lots of excuses for them. Apparently, they were a bit confused over what technically constituted under age sex…”

              Now does giving a ‘Character Reference’ equate with all the stuff they have let slide???

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              1. Hannigan was a MAJOR Obamaite, and a FRIEND of Steele who worked at MI6 the SAME time Hannigan did. Hannigan was also very likely the liason to Five Eyes for GCHB, making HIM culpable. I find the “timing” the day AFTER Trump won. to be HIGHLY suspicious as to HIS involvement. Remember ALL those Pictures of the Hotel near the Great Eye in Britain? MOST of the Caal meetings, and likely pre planning occurred there in the UK. WHAT did Hannigan KNOW, and WHEN did he KNOW it?

                Also, WHO gave the ORDER to him. There HAD to be forms, WITH signatures. You do NOT commit an ACTO OF WAR by spying on US citizens WITHOUT someone telling you to do it, and IN their country, there are ONLY a few that COULD. Then to top it off, it was LIKELY Five Eyes Australia that laundered the spying BACK to the UK and on to the US (through Downer) to make it “legit” WHO took that intercept, and WHO gave it to the US Five Eye liaison (Brennan).

                My bet, Hannigan ( I could NOT remember his name, but I did write on him in my book) TOO MANY names now to recall off the top of my head.

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            2. Except that a Obama had a boss/handler, as well. No question in my mind…just not intelligent enough to do all the long term, multi-faceted planning and operation. Now, the big question is will HE Squeal and lead the Patriots to the real leader. Or, do the Patriots already know?

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              1. We KNOW that Simpson DIRECTLY “handled” Vesletskayia, BEFORE and AFTER the June 9th Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr. Simpson also USED to be a reporter, so you KNOW he fed or “verified” info to people like David Korn and Michael Isikoff, who “outed” Carter Page.

                See, There were MANY “handlers” in this ALL given the same predicate in the dossier, Trump was helping a “compromised” Trump defeat clinton by “cheating” Laughable at BEST. Putin would have MUCH preferred Clinton, she had PROVEN corrupt, and was a KNOWN easy mark…cough…Uranium One…cough. Then there is the pay for play foundation.

                Trump was a WILD CARD, and he has done NOTHIND but SMASH Putin since 2017.

                It was ALL a BIG FAT fabricated LIE. a LIE initiated BY the dossier, NOT Carter Page, as SOME intimate. THERE IN lies my PROBLEM.

                Carter
                Page was a LAST ditch hail Mary to TRY and justify the dossier allegations, and make ALL the PREVIOUS spying justified and “legal”.

                See ALL their OTHER attempts from Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, Flynn, Don Jr, had FAILED. ONLY Page had ACTUAL ties to an ACTUAL Russian, Igor Sechin. That is WHY Page (the PLANT) was INSERTED into the Trump campaign. The FACT that they LIED and used Pages’ CIA work FOR the US AGAINST Sechin, and turned Page into an “agent of a foreign power, is BAD, and IS a part of this.

                They MUYOPIC view is that Page was THE impetus and Predicate is LUDICROUS, as THEN there was NO reason for ALL the OTHER stuff that happened BEFORE Page was even ON the Trump team. Papadopolous, Manafort, and Don Jr ALL happened BEFORE Crossfire on Jul 31 2016, and that is WAY BEFORE Page was even HIRED.

                The Cabal KEEP trying to redirect to PAGE, ignoring the FACT that even on HIM, it was the DOSSIER that was the predicate. IF that was true of Page, what do you THINK was true of ALL the others BEFORE him? What was even used to START Mueller? That is right the DOSSIER.

                Page was a VICTIM, YES, but SO were the OTHERS. WHAT was the LEGAL justification FOR THEM? There WAS NONE, the TIMELINE has ALWAYS been SCREWED UP. Page was FISA’ds IN OCTOBER of 2016, WELL AFTER Crossfire began. RETROACTIVE JUSTIFICATION for ALL the stuff that happened BEFORE it was LEGAL (via Crossfire) to DO SO.

                I may have been explaining this wrong, if so I apologize. This is NOT supposition, this is NOT speculation, this is undisputed FACT. Page was the LAST one, besides Roger Stone, and HE was just used to justify what they were doing to Assange, and to silence him.

                This whole thing is a PART of the big pie. I AGREE that Weismann RAN the SC. I AGREE he was looking for an obstruction TRAP, I AGREE, he suppressed evidence, obstructed justice, AND he covered up the CRIMES of before. I AGREE they TURNED on Page and USED him. But, PLEASE, keep in mind, Carter Page, of ALL those accused, NEVER saw ONE day in ?Jail, and was NEVER even charged, making him, in MY view, a PLANT, a MEANS to an end, the end being to get “legal” surveillance on the Trump camp, PROSTITUTING his former work FOR US, against him.

                Their MISTAKE was using the REAL predicate, the dossier to DO IT.

                ALL the focus on THIS IGNORES the beginning, and puts sunlight on a PART of the scheme, but not the IMPORRTANT part.

                See, if ALL the articles, interviews, hypoe, and FOCUS was on the SCREWED up timeline, ALL the REST falls APART. WHJAT did they HAVE as a predicate BEFORE Page? NOTHING but the dossier.

                ALL we have seen and CONTINUE to see is to HIDE its providence, PERIOD. Because they KNOW it ALL leads to Obama DIRECTLY.

                Yes what is being exposed on Page is important, but it is NOT THE keystone, and IMHO, it does NOT help MAGA, it ONLY redirects focus where the Cabal WANTS it, to PAGE, because HE rights THEIR timeline, even IF the dossier was used against him thgere too. See, they have managed to MASK that. NOW where is the focus? Clinesmith, what did HE do. He LIED about Page’s work FOR us. WHAT did that lie enable? It enabled the Cabal to USE the dossier and Pages contacts to LABEL him as an agent of Russia. WHAT did THAT feed or enable? It enabled a “legit” surveillance FISA to be USED on Page, and HOPPED to everyone in the Trump campaign, People like Papadopolous, Manafort, Don Jr, Flynn, Sessions, Cohen, and TRUMP himself. What did THAT do?
                It retroactively made ALL the previous spying ON those people SEEM legal and “justified”. It EVEN made the DOSSIER seem LEGAL and TRUE, allowing IT to be USED as the roadmap BY Weismann.

                AH, NOW you may see, what I have seen.
                See, I really am NOT attacking SD, I am attacking the WRONG focus.

                I would appreciate your thoughts!

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              2. I pretty much agree with all you’ve said. O has been spying his entire tenure, criminal.

                As far as origins, I think it was a multi prong approach. Brennan and the IC were out to get Flynn back in 2015, probably earlier. McCabe wanted him too. JB and BO were responsible for dragging 5 eyes into spy ring to dirty Trump advisors, incorporated FBI. HRC and crew started Russia narrative BEFORE she lost, remember Alfa bank tweet 10/31. They were collectively throwing the kitchen sink at POTUS from all angles.

                Page was used to get FISA to cover all backdated illegal spying. In the beginning, he was coy and wierd, probably because he didn’t want to reveal he was a CIA asset. Saw a report Comey knew this in 2015. They used and abused anyone they could, desperate to get rid of Trump so he wouldn’t uncover Cabal of crime.

                Simpson is old WSJ reporter w/many worldwide contacts. He does hitjobs around the world for $$$. He has ties to
                HRC, DNC, Perkins Coie, Crowdstrike, State D, Brookings, FBI, CIA, MSM, Steele, Brits, Veselnetskaya, many others. He had been mining NSA data for years? for FBI. Likely used data in other jobs. In a perfect position to coordinate and tell others when to execute.

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              3. Prett y much spot on with my synopsis. IMHO Page was a plant, perhaps an unwilling plant, but a plant none the less. HE was probably told to do his specialty, infiltrate, and spy from within, and report back data. When he got nothing or the need arose, HE was betrayed and used as a “retroactive” predicate because HE actually did work with Russians, notably Igor Sechin.

                The Cabal betrayed and USED his Russian contacts, llabeling Page as a foreign agent, and combined it with the dossier to get the FISA on Page, but REALLY meant to hop to everyone in the campaign, including hopefully Trump.

                Page most likely NEVER knew until Issakoff outed him. He thought HE was on an infiltration job, when he was NOT producing info, because Trump keeps power centralized, and outliers like Page are MARGINALIZED, the Cabal BETRAYED Page, and used him to GET what he could not.

                Page actually probably rebelled when he found out, but by that time, it was too late to stop, so he went public after Issakoff.

                The Cabal and Page NEVER revealed he was CIA, and THAT is why IMHO they NEVER charged him.

                Page has since came CLEAN, but NEVER forget for the better part of two years, Page perpetuated the LIE that he was NOT Cia to every Conservative MSM he could find, like Hannity for example. FIANLLY Hannity was able to get it out of him, BUT I think that too was a distraction, as it put the focus BACK on Page, and AWAY from Joseph Mifsud, who was under the magnifying glass at that time.

                Makes me VER suspicious of Carter Page to this day. I STILL do not trust him. That is part of WHY I think the SSCI stuff on Page is a FEINT.

                Now, coincidentally, for like the FOUTH time, Fox is reporting that very SSCI is “stating” that their investigation found that there WAS Russian interference in the 2016 election FOR Trump, but in fine print, Trump did not collude.

                Now, this is ALL too perfect for the SD “reveal” on that committee. My point, that committee, and their focus on PAGE, and now this BS “report, likely the 4th one stating the same BS, leads me to believe that SD was NOT an attack on THEM as a MAGA person would be, but an attempt to SMEAR Durham, and or Barr USING them. A great big “look, SQUIRRELL!”

                Time will tell.

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  5. at this point, I want the pinata to burst open. I don’t know what to believe, I’ve been lied to and mislead too many times. and it’s been too long for me to remember all the little details, so no, I don’t know what to think. and, no offense, but I would really like someone to just spell out their theories and not allude to them anymore.
    I’m tired of all the dancing around…if you’ve got something to say, say it.
    i need coffee and to get stupid autocorrect off my kindle. sorry.

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    1. I agree 100%. I do not possess the kind of mind that can go “granular” and keep track of 10,000 little moving details and have a clue as to what’s really going on. For the less talented among us, let the more talented be plain. No mysteries and parables please.

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        1. Sometimes it takes DIFFERENT people with DIFFERENT methods of dispersing the SAME core info to DIFFERENT people for them to SEE> “Sometimes you cannot simply TELL people, you must SHOW them”

          The purpose of q, getting MANY different people researching, and disseminating in MAY different ways to MANY different people. ALL to the SAME (hopefully) end.

          BRILLIANT! Joe may explain thee scheme better to BETTY than he does to Jim. Jim may explain EXACTLY the same thing better to Steve than to Joe. See it?

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          1. Not to mention the Autists, according to Q, have actually managed to dig up NEW stuff and do some dot connecting the Q team did not. (Sorry I do not have the specific Q drop saying that but the info stuck.)

            Remember Neille Ohr’s job for the CIA was reading public information.

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      1. Part of the problem is, the picture someone would paint for you today (if they could stop the clock long enough to do it and long enough for you to read, chew on, and assimilate it), even if it accurately depicts their idea as to just what the heck has been going on, could be *altered* by new information in the blink of an eye–some new actor becomes known, other actors turn out to be white hats when we thought they were black, and vice versa.

        I’ve long since given up keeping track of this–I don’t even recall having seen the name Wiessmann before today, now, apparently, he was the Key Pukestain.

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    2. 100% agree with you. As usual, I need an explainer. I’m not ashamed to admit that SD’s writing/tweeting style is a big problem for me. I go to the commenters for an explainer every time. Waiting/reading patiently for it to make sense to me.

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      1. The Cabal modus operandi. Use SO much info and DIS info that NO ONE knows what is wheat, and what is chaff.

        I think for plausible deniability AND obfuscation, that this was one BIGT cluster, EACH Cabal department had THEIR part to play to make it ALL seem so pervasive throughout that the LIE must be true. That way, IF any one area got caught, or discredited, there were OTHERS to pick upo the slack and rediurect to the mark, Trump. They ALL used the dossier as a predicate. State, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, NSC, Five Eyes, WH, Congress, MSM.

        Mueller, Shampeachment, and their various agents were meant to HIDE the truth, HIDE the predicate, ATTACK Trump ON the predicate, and to DEFEND by any means necessary THE predicate, the dossier/

        Mueller was a RETROACTIVE attempt to make legal ALL the original spying based upon ONLY the dossier. In other words ILLEGAL. Think how many times they tried to justify ANYTHING in the dossier from Alfa Bank, Deutsche band. Trump Tower Russia, ALL based on CRAP they were SO sure was true, yet they could NEVER prove, so they SPIED, and it was ILLEGAL, all the rest was to make it APPEAR legal.

        The COVERUP is where we are and have been, the REVEAL of it ALL is coming.

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  6. I’m confused by the details – but this doesn’t make sense to me – why would they have been seeking a warrant on Vice-Chair of the SSIC? Mark Warren is one of theirs?

    “Despite physical surveillance (outlining contacts), Dugan couldn’t get warrant on Vice-chair of SSCI w/out tipping off crew.”

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    1. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is the body that Sundance calls “Corruption Junction”, and claims is at the heart of the Deep State, apparently with a lot of reason.

      The Chairman and Vice-chairman are always part of the Gang of Eight. When Dims were in the majority, Warner was Chairman. When Republicans got back control of the Senate, Warner was moved down to Vice-chairman, and Burr (R-NC) became Chair (though he is currently, iiuc, suspended from that role due to the ethics investigation over his alleged insider stock trading.)

      Pro-Trump observers, including especially Sundance, have claimed that Dim Warner has been allowed to run the committee, in practice, ever since.

      James Wolfe was a middle-aged man and very senior Senate staffer, chief of security for the SSCI. When the DoJ sent the unredacted Carter Page FISA warrant renewal application to the SSCI, Wolfe apparently almost immediately went into the SCIF where it was held, photographed all 50+ pages, and texted them to an undergraduate female intern at a clickbait cat video website called Buzzfeed. (Cellphones and other cameras and recording and communications devices not being allowed in SCIFs, and use of them to transmit classified information being a felony under espionage statutes.)

      So Ali Watkins, our enterprising young college student and track athlete, parlayed her copy of the FISA application to elevate her budding journalistic career from the cat video site to the New York Times.

      So one of the big secrets uncovered by Sundance is that media outlets such as Buzzfeed and the NYT have had the complete unredacted text of the Carter Page FISA application from an early date. So they knew about its reliance on the discredited Steele Dossier, and that DoJ/FBI officials were lying in their statements to Congress and the public about the Dossier not being central to the warrant, and that the entire Muh Russia effort to remove Pres. Trump was, in fact, a hoax. This was true despite the same officials and media outlets continuing to spew forth claims that Muh Russia was valid.

      I know we are all juggling a lot of information about this giant conspiracy, and how it is connected to the rest of national and international politics. But, in the midst of all this juggling, two balls not to take your eye off of are Corruption Junction, and the fact that major media have known that Russian conspiracy is a hoax.

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      1. Thank you! Appreciate the information. I was bogged down in the weeds. The MSM is corrupt – yet I fear, they’re never going to be taken down.

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        1. We’ll see about the MSM.

          Alternatives are becoming more numerous and more prominent every week.

          If people can do their job in Barr’s DoJ, and work their way up the ladder from Clinemith and the others we know now to the big stinky cheeses, then shut down Mockingbird from the top, the whole phenomenon could just be aborted.

          Even if the bad guys somehow kept control of some corner of the current phalanx of media organizations, the current dire situation depends on all the majors being utterly under one thumb for national and international political news. Peel back the thumb from any group of networks, big city papers, etc., or better yet, allow never-controlled alternatives to spring up and capture big market share, and there will be real competition. And that, to mix metaphors, is a different ballgame.

          Americans now trust the big news organizations less than ever before. And the twists and turns of events during the 1st Trump, culminating in the CCP virus, the lockdown, and the thuggishness of the Maoist secessionists in this Seattle, Portland, et al., have woken up large numbers of previously apolitical or vaguely “liberal” people. They are alert, are witnessing the direct connection of big events to their own livelihoods and neighborhoods, and are open to new ideas.

          Imo, the Mockingbird’s demise is pending.

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          1. It is NOT the faces on TV or the writers you need to take down…

            IT IS THE OWNERS!

            The last I looked, eons ago, there was a BANKER on every single Board of Directors of the Media.

            THIS ↘️ is why I keep bringing up the Banksters aka “financial institutions”

            The Network of Global Corporate Control

            ….We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic “super-entity”….

            As the reader may by now suspect, powerful actors tend to belong to the core. In fact, the location of a TNC in the network does matter…

            … We find that, despite its small size, the core holds collectively a large fraction of the total network control. In detail, nearly 4/10 of the control over the economic value of TNCs in the world is held, via a complicated web of ownership relations, by a group of 147 TNCs in the core, which has almost full control over itself. The top holders within the core can thus be thought of as an economic “super-entity” in the global network of corporations. A relevant additional fact at this point is that 3/4 of the core are financial intermediaries.

            On a side note. DawsonSField has many threads on the MONEY LAUNDERING VIA BANKS that is now being caught.
            https://threadreaderapp.com/user/DawsonSField

            Here is the latest example:
            Jul 28th 2020
            Ten financial institutions: Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Citibank & others have been issued subpoenas in recent weeks from the office of USVI Attorney General Denise George

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            1. Wow. This is a terrific argument, Gail. I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for putting this information together so nicely in this spot.

              I will say, though, that despite the primacy of the owners and financiers, as you so articulately write here, secondarily there is a problem that some of the anchors, writers, producers, editors, etc. do or have worked or contracted for the CIA, and for them to be conducting psychological warfare operations against us, on American soil, may be felonious in itself. Whatever lessons need to be taught to the financial interests, it is also necessary to have an honest intelligence community in the future. So prosecutors need to wield the rod of indictments, arrests, and prosecutions against the unruly in this sphere as well.

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      2. For reference, these are the current members of the SSCI:

        Majority
        Richard Burr, North Carolina, Chairman (until May 15, 2020)
        Marco Rubio, Florida, Acting Chairman (from May 18, 2020)[1]
        Jim Risch, Idaho
        Susan Collins, Maine
        Roy Blunt, Missouri
        Tom Cotton, Arkansas
        John Cornyn, Texas
        Ben Sasse, Nebraska

        Minority
        Mark Warner, Virginia, Vice Chairman
        Dianne Feinstein, California
        Ron Wyden, Oregon
        Martin Heinrich, New Mexico
        Angus King, Maine[20]
        Kamala Harris, California
        Michael Bennet, Colorado

        Ex officio
        Jim Inhofe, Oklahoma
        Mitch McConnell, Kentucky
        Jack Reed, Rhode Island
        Chuck Schumer, New York

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        1. Maybe. Depends on if there was communication between the major players and corporate honchos on how to go about smearing POTUS.

          Unfortunately with the new laws you have to SHOW it was done KNOWINGLY at least for lawsuits.

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        2. A lawyer would probably have to answer that. I don’t know the technicali

          I would suspect it’s a very long shot, and think it would be potentially very dangerous for the federal government to be charging media organizations and their personnel criminally for their reporti

          Think of the Soebarkah Administration spying on Sharyl Atkinson’s computer and on Fox’s (then) James Rosen’s parents in Staten Island, and imagine what could happen to Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, OANN, Epoch Times, etc., should Bribe’im/Camelbreath’s Feels Up/Heels Up ticket prevail in November.

          If the charges are not for reporting, but for a pattern of illegalities such as wrongful termination of employees who get out of line and try to report real news, blocking careers of women who won’t sleep with bosses, possession of child porn, CIA employees double-dipping in managerial or editorial positions in private industry, and making business decisions in furtherance of CIA operations on American soil, patterns of Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Arab state, rogue Israeli, etc. foreign agents Swiss-cheesing the managerial and editorial ranks of US media orgs, and acting systematically at the behest of foreign or CIA intelligence personnel, I don’t know.

          Maybe there is a way to pursue RICO safely in such a case. Though there would be tough policy decisions to make if we go down that path and, again, you would have to ask lawyers for the technicalities.

          I would suggest, in asking for advice, starting with Mark Levin, since he is a lawyer who has worked at a high level in the Reagan DoJ, has litigated FOIA cases and other cases concerning information through his Landmark Legal Foundation, wields an enormous microphone as the 3rd or 4th most popular radio talk show host in the world, AND has thoroughly researched the media recently for his book _Unfreedom of the Press_. He is very red-pilled on the fact that we, as a nation, despite outward appearances, do not currently have a free press. Though I don’t know how much he is aware, or will say publicly, about, specifically, Mockingbird.

          It there is a government case or cases, even if it/they didn’t result in criminal convictions, there could be evidence turned up in the discovery phase that could fuel dozens or hundreds of private lawsuits for libel, wrongful termination, sexual harassment, wrongful death (think families of CCP virus victims deprived of hydroxychloroquine,) etc. This could turn the lawfare cannon back around on the American Marxists who invented it. Karma big time.

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          1. Also you go after the HEAD HONCHOS. There is fraud, pedo, illegal trading, drugs….
            It is NOT just media reporting they were into it is a YUGE tangle which to this point had played in their favor but may now turn around and bite them in the Arse!

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            1. When we see the 1st successful conviction of one of the plutocrats who is running things behind the scenes today, and whose ancestors number among those who commissioned and paid for the hoaxes of Marxism and other aberrations of political philosophy in centuries past, that will change the world!

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    2. FBI agent Dugan is apparently not “one of theirs”. He was on the team looking for leaks, and came across, in that effort, the Wolfe leak of the FISA renewal. This is what got him interested in the SSCI, if he wasn’t already. Dim Warner is one of theirs, and Republican Burr is apparently one of Warner’s.

      So Dugan got the txt messages between Warner and oligarch Deripaska’s (also, Assange’s) lawyer Waldman by monitoring Waldman.

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          1. NYT : “Mrs. Miller graduated from the University of Florida and received a master’s degree in public administration from George Washington University. She is a daughter of Sheryl Waldman and Glenn Waldman of Fort Lauderdale, Fla.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/fashion/weddings/stephen-miller-wedding-katie-waldman.html.

            The Guardian really did a crap propaganda job of the wedding announcement calling him ‘our Joseph Goebbels’

            There is an attorney named Glenn Waldmann in FL: https://gunster.com/staff/attorneys/glenn-j-waldman/

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    3. I ASSUME that the warrant was by DOJ maybe Durham, maybe not, because Warner was severely outted as a LEAKER of classified info from his committee. Remember the transcript of that phone call on Deripaska?

      There were SO many leaks in DOJ, and the various departments and US attny in NY, That it was HARD to get a “secret warrant” I ASSUME that means they wanted Warren to get someone BIGGER.

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      1. Yes. There have been leak investigations for some time. I also believe that investigations of things we know, and things we’re not even aware of – have been going on for some time.

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    1. That’s very close to what I think. Try a little smaller, and broaden “read in”. Look at his tweets. You’ll see it.

      However, you could be right.

      What you are suggesting has always been a possibility from my point of view, because I see both Sundance and myself as being manipulated. And remember – bad guys were in charge of much of DOJ, if not the whole thing, for over 2 years after the election. I suspect things happened behind CTH, just like things happened with me.

      SHADOW GATE + SUNDANCE NEW STUFF explains a LOT.

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      1. So, not necessarily “point” but still being used to do a specific task by the “white hats.” And the bad guys were able to manipulate you both because they basically know everything about you, and SD, and me, or whomever, because of data-mining by private contractors working for the bad guys.

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        1. Yes. I’ve been “acted upon” by both sides, not always being sure WHICH SIDE, and I’m sure Sundance has been, too. Private megabucks contractors explain a lot.

          Consider ALL the people Sundance might have interacted with – bidirectionally – him reaching out – others reaching out TO him. Why does Sundance seem so assured about certain facts? Is it a big head, or a big something else? Take it all the way down to the most plausible thing it could be. Then it SLAPS WITH REASON.

          Can’t know for sure, but I think he has GOLD.

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          1. Along the same lines is this thread by Carlos/Wicter

            …I have no idea what’s happening.

            But I need to issue a warning:

            If all this is about some kind of threat, the people making the threats need to back off right away.
            .
            .
            .
            I get death threats.

            They always stop.

            When I was doing my favors, I gave certain people access to my computer in perpetuity.
            I volunteered it.

            We’re talking the highest possible stakes here, so the capable people can’t be too careful.

            I never knew who the capable people are, in the sense that no names or real email addresses were given to me.

            But I was vetted. In person.
            Four friendly guys who stopped in their SUV to talk to me as I took my nightly walk.

            I immediately knew who they were.
            .
            .
            .
            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293725597898702848.html

            We also know that Q said certain people like John Solomon were ‘protected’

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            1. Black hats were accused (caught?) spying on Solomon, and Sara Carter. Maybe Hannity, and someone else. I think they were trying to figure out their sources. But White hats were helping them, John said they pulled up outside his house when he walked to his mailbox, told him things were much bigger than he knew, and no telling what else. Remember when some dude accused Sara Carter of being controlled opposition and that she was being used by Black Hats to put out disinfo. I argued w/him over that, no way, she had been getting a lot of scoops and they were correct. It was almost like he didn’t want us to trust or listen to her.

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  7. So riddle me this, what’s the possibility that the white hat’s have all the communication between the black hat’s?
    IIRC the FISA court’s where extended till June sometime, and didn’t PDJT want to end them then changed his mind? So many moving parts to this puzzle, also read somewhere the possibility that Q went silent so as not to be consider campaign interference. PDJT said may not see him or here him for awhile, coincides with Q silence.
    I do believe that the only true journalism is coming from the online investigations/ blogs outside of a few MSM.

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      1. And this is what is very interesting about Shadow Gate. IF NSA discovered that CHEATING private contractors and foreign entities had MORE than NSA, due to failure to purge data, and all sorts of evil and grubby paws were using that against Trump, then they would need to begin “having more than all”, too.

        Interesting times. We really are in WIWI (World Information War I).

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          1. This is what I believe, Gail. I truly think the White Hats have been planning this operation to wrest our nation out of the hands of the globalist cabal of families, commies, and whatnot for decades.

            They must have been gaming out scenarios for ages.

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        1. Oh, hell no.

          WIWI was actually WWI.

          On the first day of the war, the Brits dredged up and cut the cables running from Germany to America, and from that point had control over almost all the information we saw about WWI. We’d hear about German atrocities that were exaggerated, or if true, never counterbalanced by reports about Allied ones.

          It was a precursor to our recent situation, where a small group controlled EVERYTHING we saw that was labelled as “news.”

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            1. The Brits had a whole government office to check over the news reports that went over the wire.

              I don’t know what they did. But what I would do with that job is release, under the letterhead of the government, a bunch of stuff that is obviously propaganda. Just heavy-handed enough to be not-quite-trusted.

              Then the stuff that looks like newsfeeds would be a lot more subtle, simply burying bad news. It looks trustworthy compared to the propaganda.

              Of course that’s what the YSM did for decades until they went berserk going after Trump.

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    1. “FISA’s go BOTH ways” -Q. Yes I believe that SOMEONE has it ALL, and it is being used RIGHT now to get the ball rolling. Q went silent because the STORM is here and RUNNING, and he will NOT comment until the op is WELL under way so as to NOT jeopardize the OTHER OPS.

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      1. The timing of the Shadow Gate reveal is really going to raise the consciousness on “We have it all.”, because it’s now clear that THEY HAD IT ALL – at least until the sword dance in Saudi Arabia.

        And now it’s clear why “Sixth Eye” was needed to stay ahead of them. Contractors who were determined to remove Trump “had it all”, too.

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  8. double posting my response to Wolf as well here, I feel it is an accurate refutation of the narrative. Sorry if it offends.

    See, there is One of the problems I have with this particular tract. ONE it ASSUMES, that this was totally contained in that SAME small group that was asserted, and as we KNOW it is NOT. It was wide ranging, multifaceted on MANY fronts from DOJ, FBI, SC, Congress, MSM, CIA, WH, State, NSA, Fission GPS, DNC, the Hillary camp and acolytes, Five Eyes, and especially FOREIGN intelligences and SPIES.

    Now, lets go to the ALTERNATE premise, the one I have ALWAYS put forth, that YES the SC was a setup to retroactively “justify” and make “legal” all the previous spying. THAT fits the narrative. But FOCUSING on ONE part, the FISC court, and those intel setups involving SSCI, Wolfe, and the SC covering it up, no matter HOW correct the narrative IS,. IGNORE the bigger picture, that ALL of this was widespread,, in a CONSPIRACY, involving HUNDREDS of people throughout our and OTHER Governments.

    YES, Mueller was a figure head, YES Weismann was the REAL control of that SC investigation.

    BUT, it does NOT stop or BEGIN there, it is simply ONE part of the picture. The BIG picture was that Mueller, etal, were used as a retroactive JUSTIFICATION for the ENTIRE original spying. The ones involving Nellie Ohr, and the dossier. Remember, THIS particular track, involves the FISC and FISA fraud on Page. THAT, except for the ILLEGALITES of it, is only PART of the BIG picture.

    See, that FISA and FISC stuff, on Page, were attempts AGAINJ at retroactive justification, AFTER all the previous spying, you know the stuff that PREDATES Page, like Manafort, Cohen, Papadopoulos, Flynn, Don Jr, and Trump. ALL of that was BEFORE Crossfire Hurricane began on Jul. 31 2016.

    See ALL that was ILLOEGAL before Jul 31 2016, when the Crossfire, and its AUTHORIZED spying etc. BEGAN. Papa was set up in APRIL and MAY of 2016, Manafort in MARCH of 2016, Don Jr on Jun 9 2016, Flynn in DECEMBER (originally) of 2015, and Trump and Cohen in BEFORE that in EARLY 2015.

    There WAS NO FISA then, there was NO FISC then, there was ONLY the dossier and IT’S allegations. This tract IGNORES that, and ALL the FOREIGN spies and intel agencies involved THERIN Like Italy, UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

    Now without (hopefully) pissing anyone off, thee article writer, is BUYING INTO the ORIGINAL spygate premise, that this ALL began with Carter Page, and YES they DID railroad and LIE on Page, and THEN tried to cover it up, LIE about it will all the stuff the author mentions, with Wolfe, Warner, ETC. BUTY that is ONLY trying to JUSTIFY the ORIGINAL lie, that PAGE was the predicate. REMEMBER, even PAGE was set up using…ta da …THE DOSSIER.

    Adam Schiff OFREVER blew that NARRATIVE, when he SCREWED the Cabal timeline using PAGE as the predicate, when he himself introduced George Papadopoulos as THE predicate in 2018, when he wrote his COUNTER memo to the Nunes memo, that RIGHTLY highlighted the Page setup, USINJG THE DOSSIER>

    I CARE about the ancillary stuff, the setups on Page, the COVERUPS by Weismann, and Warner, and Wolfe’s leak, BUT that should NOT be the FOCUS. The ORIGINAL spying, ILLEGAL, and WITHOUT a justification OR a WARRANT, is the REAL crime. It used FOREIGN assets on AMERICAN citizens AND a opposition Political frontrunner AND his associates and FAMILY. THAT should be THE focus, the BEGINNING, not the MIDDLE.

    Mueller’s PURPOSE was to STALL the reveal, ATTACK Trump, by ANY means necessary, AND to rewrite the TIMELINE that would AID in covering the crimes and REAL start date. ANYTHING that jeopardized that, was to be COVERED UP, and THAT is exactly what this tract is highlighting, ONE of MANY coverup to prevent the TRUTH of the beginning. THE DOSSIER., WHO really ordered it, who REALLY wrote it, an HOW it REALLY got its “info”, and WHEN.

    See, I look at THIS article as a DISTRACTION, providing JUST enough REAL stuff that happened, to entice, BUT that is a RABBIT HOLE, a SHINY object. Spend your time and resources HERE, and do NOT look THERE.

    It ASSUMJES that Durham is a FEINT, BUT, we KNOW that Durham is REALLY doing stuff, and ALREADY HAS. Did we FORGET that Durham AND Barr went to ITALY BEFORE all this shit? WHO WAS IN ITALY. Did we SIMPLY FORGETR that? NO, I didn’t.

    IMHO, this ENTIRE CHARADE by that other author, appears to me to be a BAIT AND SWITCH, a redirect, AWAY from where WE SHOULD BE looking. YES it is TRUE, and most likely PROBABLE, but that is the POINT in a good distraction, provide just enough truth, and juicy tidbits, to direct people where you WANT them, away from the TRUE crimes, and attacking the one LOOKING at those crimes.

    IMHOI Durham, Huber, Bash, and yes MORE are ALL part of one big ginormous STING. ?YES they have to be separate AND “compartmentalized” Because DURHAM is not “doing anything” on ONE part of the sting, DOES NOT mean that there is not ANOTHER hidden US Atty that IS working on the SC.

    Durham may well( Read IS) working on ANOTHER part, likely the FOREIGN spies at the HEART of this. There are OTHERS most likely looking at CONGERSS, Others looking at STATE, and still others looking at the SENIOR WH personnel, and THEIR roles. There are LIKELY others looking at the MSM, Clinton, the NSC, Ukraine, and who KNOWS what else. Look at as one BIG banquet, they ALL have a “dish” to prepare to COMPLETE the banquet. To OPENLY insinuate, and ATTACK a single PART of this is NARROW minded, and DANGEROUS.

    WHY attack Durham? HE is NOT, let me repeat that NOT the HEAD of this total investigation. IT has ALWYS been BARR.

    Durham is part of a TEAM, just because we do NOT yet see the other members, does NOT mean they are NOT working toward the particular GOALS. as DURHAM is. WHO announced the Clinesmith indictment? Was it DURHAM? NO., it was BARR. Does THAT mean Durham is NOT working, HELL NO, it just means this MAY or MAY NOT be part of HIS area of responsibility. Perhaps the OTHER person that is being threatened to be “outted” IS WORKING on the SSCI, and the PAGE FISC debacle. WHAT purpose does OUTING anyone have?

    Ah, now you SEE, it does not PROVE that Durham is NOT working, it ONLY outs someone who WAS working, in secret, on the PAGE part. Counter productive, narrow minded, STUPID. It ONLY distracts, undermines Durham , the yet unnamed Atty, AND Barr.

    If I were running a counter info op, I would consider those things being done a SUCCESS. If I were running a STING trying to take down a criminal conspiracy Cabal, one that committed treason, a coup, sedition, espionage, and more, I would consider that threat, and reveal, an ATTACK to my entire operation, one that did NOT further MY end, but sure as HELL helped the Cabal.

    Now you see my problem with ANYONE doing this, not just one lone braggadocios blogger.

    ASSUNPTION is the mother of all F ups. ASSUMING Durham is ALONE, and NOT doing anything, while someone else very well IS, does NOT help, it HURTS the goal. Looking at Page, and his end and NOT THE rest is a GREAT big F up, and THAT is where this appears to be focused, JMHO.

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      1. 😎

        Maybe so, but p-Rex’s little rant gives me more reason to believe that the surveillance on both sides has been going on for a number of decades, and we’re finally seeing that being brought to the surface. This didn’t start in 2015. It was too brazen especially given that they were sure Hillary was going to win. “They” had been getting away with it for so long, tracks didn’t need to be covered until 2017, and that’s what they attempted to do.

        The wheels are still turning on this, but I suspect given the breadth and depth of the corruption we now know about that the dossier, and using the FISC for such surveillance is a single incident in the spying that probably encompasses just about all public figures.

        Focusing on this single incident is sticking us back in the weeds. IMO, of course.

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        1. I want to amend this a bit. Tracks weren’t just being covered. They were stalling for time. If the goal of the other side was to force VSGPDJT from office, and just submarine all this, it was partially a stall job, and they used their own lawyers to do it, paying them off in the process.

          IMO, of course.

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            1. BINGO!!!

              That is also why they HATE Q!

              Q MADE SURE the genie can not be stuffed back into the box. Also there are now OTHER COUNTRIES involved in the ‘clean-up’

              This was never ever a ‘small group’ except at the very top. After all that was what Epstein’s job was. To dirty up ALL the puppets in politics and industry so the puppet masters could attach strings.

              The Feral Reserve has been STEALING American wealth for over one hundred years and as G.Edward Griffin pointed out they used that wealth to BUY POWER.

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          1. I keep going back to this whole thing starting during the Korean War. This discussion isn’t the place for my theories, but I’m now thinking that this kind of surveillance has been in motion since about November 22,1963, when the banking cartel/cabal put an end to the first attempt to do what is happening now.

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        2. EXACTLY my point. I was referring to TRUMP in early 2015. I agree that Obama and I am sure others used this before then. I speculated that Obama began ramping it up in 2010, after he lost BIGLY.

          The PROBLEM is the political spying Barr highlighted, and the BLACKMAIL that spying begat. The solution is TOTAL sunlight.

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        3. Yes, I agree. It’s so massive and long-running, with everybody involved, that you could probably count the untainted in congress on two hands tops.

          In 2010, retired Eagles OT Jon Runyan (R) ran for congress from the NJ 3rd district, and served two terms. Great guy with the whole package – very smart, big personality, name recognition, family guy. He walked away because he couldn’t accomplish anything, and took some job with the NFL. THAT is a guy who could actually unseat Cory Booker, as opposed to the no-names that the R party plugs in as lame opponents. But he walked away — I’d love to know what he really saw.

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          1. He probably couldn’t be corrupted.

            I think there were a lot of people who were elected in that TEA Party wave that were in the same boat…and then there were some insertions like Mulvaney and Pompeo. Possibly Gowdy. Give them time to get up to speed on what was really going on.

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      2. Um, can you read. I refuted EVERYTHING said, with out takin g personal AIMK at anyone, JUST the narrative stated/. Define more calm and measured than FACTS that support a counter narrative, one that this is NOT one big sting, but compartmentalized,

        Whirling dervish. LMAO, I have been here for over a year posting the EXACT same things, and baking them up with FACT.

        I did NOT attack the author, merely his premise as NARROW minded, and then I explained WHY.

        The REAL reason we are ALL here is truth, as close to 100% as we can get. By singularly focusing on one small FRACTION of what happened, which BTW just HAPPENS to redirect to the cabal PREFERRED timeline, because it IGNORES all the ILLEGAL spying, setup, and using FOREING entities to do it, that happened BEFORE we even got to Carter Page, the SC ingestion, OR any of those coverups.

        Gee, were I wanting to DISCREDIT any investigator or investigation that happened BEFORE i was “authorized” to do it, THAT is how I would do it, distract with “shinyu” objects, that are a PART of the picture, just not the one I WANT you NOT to see, that masks the BIG picture. I see it is obviously WORKING.. SMDH.

        I FOLLED the rules, I refuted with a PLAUSIBLE narrative, WITHOUT attacking the Author, JUST his premise. Sorry that you missed it.

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          1. Fair enough, but the frenetic tone is made to get people AWAY from the shiny object, to step back, and see the BIG picture,. I did EXTENSIVE research on nearly EVERY aspect of this, and I SAW how it ALL tied in to a central group AT THE TOP, but it was by FAR no small group all together. Focusing (read DISTRACTING) to ONE part of the whole, while ATTACKING what VERY LIKELY is another cog that likely has NOTHING (yet) to do with the other, till we get to the BIG FINISH. YES, highlighting the corruption on THYAT part is GOOD and NEEDED, playing like it is ALL one big thing, and attacking ANY other part is NOT productive.

            YES I see, and actually AGREE with parts of the premise, the SSCI WAS AND IDS corrupt. Mueller was a COVER UP op, We ALL by now should KNOW that.

            BUT, attacking what very well is a SISTER op tied into one BIG op, and the investigator in that op, is STUPID. Why I FOCUS on the author being NARROW. Stay in the LANE is OK, deviate into other things and paint them ALL with the same brush is NOT.

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            1. Repeating myself, but AG Barr (whom I love and not just because he had the guts to end the witch hunt)) Has said that the “Attorney General has a unique obligation. He holds in trust the fair and impartial administration of justice. He must ensure that there is one standard of justice that applies to everyone equally”. I agree, and if he just does this I will be happy.

              Our legal system, more and more..imo especially since the Clintons and their stolen FBI files, has been run by dirty cops. Intimidation, blackmail, and bribes became the backbone of our government before President Trump. Elected Representatives became fabulously wealthy and were aided by their corrupt cronies in the press to be able to say and do whatever with little to no repercussions.

              The full scope of planting evidence, manufacturing crimes, and the use of dirty tools against political opponents and even annoying citizens has yet to be realized by most of the public.

              The Shadowgate whistleblower “Tori” said that many on both sides were tools of the left, including trusted Conservative voices and websites.

              Even AJ, whom I am certain supports the President—mostly and not always to the fullest extent—has gone overboard in ascertaining that he had “nothing to do with the video and that Millie is an independent contractor”. He sounds scared . I have wondered, have others been intimidated in some way…..maybe so they curtail their speech but stay in the fight?

              We have a right to question even those ostensibly on our side and to look into things more fully.

              We have all wondered what happened to people like Judge Nap. We have seen a change in certain Conservative voices (some, Praise God, like Mark Levin and Rush for the good) which has caused, at least me, to dig into a number of sites to try to get at the truth.

              The amount of enthusiasm and interest generated by Q, to say nothing of the desire to look into things and dig for truth that he promotes, prompted me to have reservations about anyone who discourages others from looking into Q and thereby quells or dampens enthusiasm to get involved and seek out the truth.
              .
              I would extend that to this situation and echo your reservations about only looking at a smaller part of the big picture of corruption. The extent of the evil and the threat we face if it is not all exposed and dealt with should not be minimized.

              I am thankful for the work and the focus that has gone into raising awareness of even part of this by SD, but I think that continuing to dig for the whole story and not being satisfied until the whole of it is exposed Is warranted by the rest of us.

              BTW, I have yet to see a book or an extensive expose of Mueller and the scope of his….extending to
              Whitey Bolger and dirty FBI prosecutions, the missteps in the Boston bombing, and the elimination of radial Islam as a terrorist organization under Obama.

              https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/mueller-connected-boston-mobster-whitey-bulger-killed-in-prison-as-he-was-about-to-out-fbi-officials/

              Stuff like this, cogently explained (not my strong suite) and brought to the attention of the American public is part of the bigger picture.

              I really wonder if Mueller, and even Biden, is more of a tool than a fool.

              It is exciting to see some things brought to light but I strongly believe that we can’t let that be all we look at.

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              1. Here here! well said! and my POINT. YES the reveal is GOOD on the SSCI, the attack on the REST is my problem, and the narrow focus. IMHO, SD could NEVER come to grips that A this was a big conspiracy to take down the US President by a VAST group, B that it was coordinated NOT at the DOJ, but by the WH.

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              1. Slow guy here learns much. So many curtains need to be drawn back to expose criminal behavior that has truly become systemic in FIB, DOJ, IC…that are managed by contractors. Commonly off-site from Fed activities, out of Federal control are running amuck… AI being applied, skewing reality…

                YSM never questions D-rat mantra. This is as big a problem as FIB, DOJ, IC, traitors in WH and its various Departments.

                President Trump, Barr, Kansas and others are doing Herculean work for us.
                – Wish we had more than a handful of Republicans solidly MAGA.

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              2. See, I think what Millie Weaver exposed was the CIVILLIAN version of what they used on Trump (Nellie Ohr, NSA) That is the problem doing algorithm searches, the info CAN be misleading or flat WRONG, especially when one uses the WRONG Michael Cohen, and does not VERIFY the SS#.

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        1. All of this is fine, but please quote more liberally from SD’s “granular” within your criticism, or else I’m going to mistake this for “SD’s wrong, here is what is right”, which it’s dangerously close to “SD’s wrong”.

          I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I find the specific attributions of things to Sundance’s thinking both WEAK and UNCONVINCING.

          Convince me that these are not strawman attributions first, THEN knock them down.

          HABEUS CORPUS. Bring me the evidence.

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          1. Fair enough, where do you want me to start to convince you? Lets try HERE. We KNOW that both Barr and Durham were in Italy, and most likely either retrieved Mifsud, or at LEAST his phone, which REVEALED the Papadopolous set up, and exculpatory evidence. WHAT does that have to do with SSCI or Page or Wolf or Warner. It DOESN’T Unless you look BIG picture.

            I explicitly do NOT think SD is WRONG, I just think he is too narrowly focused on the Page op. The Page op can help us GET to the beginning, but it is starting in the MIDDLE.

            YES both Warner and Wolf are bad actors, but WHAT do they have to do with Durham. Page was NOT being politically spied on, and THAT is where the obfuscation comes, Page was a MEANS of cover AND to get legit in on Trump.

            Papadopolous, Manafort et AL were EXACTLY the same. ONLY one difference, they LIED on Page and portrayed him as an gent of a foreign power to GET a “legit” FISA.

            They HAD NO FISA on Manafort, Trump, Cohen, Flynn, or Don J?r, and yet THEY al;l happened BEFORE Crossfire Hurricane, which made it “legal” was in force. PAGE was iAFTER Crossfire began, and HELPS redirect to the ORIGINAL timeline that HE was the predicate, even though the dossier is a MAJOR part of his set up. A FATAL flaw.

            y focusing on THAT oine part, and in ANY way impuning Durham and or Barr, in ANY way (bribe, negotiation, feint) it UNDERMINES what are I believe TWO SIDES of the same coin. WHY could not SD have posed his question and revealed his info WITHOUT impugning Durham OR Barr. See, it is a preconception on that end that THEY are THE ONLY ONES working on this, a FALLACY in my belief.

            It does NOT mean SD is WRONG, it means he is MISGUIDED,, maybe intentionally, maybe myopically.

            I simply postulate, from my research that the Cabal timeline is their MAJOR flawe, and NO ONE seems to go there. YES Page was set up, but that was their EXCUSE for ALL the PRIOR stuff, to make it LOOK Legal, to FOCUS there, while IGNORING the REAL illegal stuff before, is myopic.

            I apologize “IF you think I am attacking the MESSANGE, no, simply stating a COUNTER message. Cannot we have BOTH, cannot SD and ME be right? Would it not be BETTER to combine those tracks and GET to the truth?

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            1. Fair enough. Sundance actually has posted in many pieces about how far back the spying goes, but he always restricts his strongest assertions to what he believes he can “granularly” prove in a particular case, which is less than what both you and I speculate or “big-wave prove”, and probably what he *suspects*. I remain very careful what I say he believes, and tend to restrict myself to WHAT HE SAYS, which he often phrases very carefully not to restrict “greater” possibilities.

              It’s easy to “strawman” Sundance, so I’m just careful to quote him to avoid doing it.

              This is why I want rigor on this thread – to SEE the granular for CLUES to our general.

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              1. OK, I see your point. For ME the problem was the bribe insinuations, that made my BS meter go to full Bovine excrement.

                Q told us in the war to come, and we ARE there, there would be LOTS of info and DIS info agents trying to confuse.

                I “evolved” my theories several times until it’s current iteration, but I remain flexable to be convinced otherwise. So far I have NOT been convoinced. EVERYTHING still for me fits neatly into the narrative package I uncovered, so I remain there in my position. IF it seemed I attacke d him on his info, I really did not mean to, his info on Wolfe and Warner, very neatly dovetails with mine, I just WISH he would go deeper down the rabbit hole and SEE the timeline error Page “fixes” it is EASY to see.

                I guess, much like my theory of compartmentalized Cabal Ops and compartmentalized legal investigations OF those ops, we may have to have compartmentalized REVEALOS of the ops.

                I am OK with that, PROVIDED we do NOT get stuck into ONE small faction (my fear) asnd FORGET the big picture.

                I want them ALL, not just for what they did to Page, but to EVERYONE.

                I FEAR that SD may have been given a “bone” to that end. IE, HERE, this proves the scam on page, Warner et all are guilty, a PERFECT sacrificial lamb setup.

                I want the HEAD, and you KNOW who I think that is, I want him NOT slipping away, having normies THINK that this was a SMALL op and just on Page. Can you see my point?

                I believe we can have it ALL, and SD, ME, YOU, and others can prove it ALL, we need not war amongst ourselves, or settle for LESS.

                I HOPE others are doing this like me, for FREE, not money or fame, but TRUTH. I FEAR otherwise, like the other day. It reflects BADLY on us ALL IMHO.

                Now, IF SD is merely FIRST, and it LEADS to more, FANTASTIC, mission accomplished. I WISH he would have went about it in a little LESS self aggrandizing and public way. MUCH of the behind the scenes could have been LEFT there, the INFO could STILL be released and IMPORTANT without it. See my point? The SAME objectives without the, well, hype. The TRUTH is the TRUTH, it needs no hype, once released it will HYPE its self.

                JMHO.

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              2. SD is a details man. We NEED details men. And they’re dangerous to the other side, because details are what can actually put people in jail. PROOF is KING.

                Your BIG theories and my FAR OFF speculations help to guide things, but in the end, only DETAILS put people in jail.

                We have to focus on PIECE COMPLETION. SD does that very nicely.

                SD has something pretty big. I’ve figured out what it probably is, but I’m not going to say, because if it’s what I think it is, that full week is going to help everybody. Also, it allows Sundance (and Barr) to put the proper spin on it. I am confident now that he’s not blowing smoke, and what he has will insure no wriggling out by these swampies.

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              3. I STILL think Page was CIA and sent in to contact those on the Trump team they wanted to ‘HOP’ to. He seemed to be REALLY P.O.ed when he was outed as the guy who got the goods on the NYC Russian spies. Now his cover is completely blown…. Well sort of.

                If he was part of the ‘Clean-up’ operation AKA the Insurance Policy, then they need to have those HOPS to cover for all the spying they had been doing ILLEGALLY.

                By the time they got the FISA on Carter Page, the INTERNAL POLLS would have shown Hillary was in DEEP DooDoo and even with massive voter fraud they still might lose.

                North Carolina is a case in point. The Fraud got Cooper (D) elected Governor but could not get Hillary elected. And that is with 20% of the counties having more votes than adults!

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        1. As I replied to Rex, I just can’t get past the frenetic read. No more, no less. It’s just me. And my take, reading Wolf between the lines, was that this thread was supposed to be calm and measured. The other available thread, not so much.

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          1. May be out to lunch here, but me thinks, as usual, Rex makes a lot of sense. Not concerned with whatever may be deemed frenetic.

            The problem we face is HUGE. The Trump, Page, PapaD…angle, while also huge, is but a subset in an ongoing series of orchestrated crimes of spying and manipulation, Nationally and International.

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    1. Barr has always indicated or implied that this is very big and deep. It takes time. Agree with you about the spying long before 2016, even before 2015. Obama was rotten to the core – look what he did about the Tea Parties after they surfaced in 2010 – Sent the IRS after them. It’s always stuck in my craw that Lois Lerner walked away free.

      IMO, the spying on American citizens was massive, and had been going on for years. That’s who and what Obama was – a thug – with thug-like intentions and actions.

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      1. “In a 2013 interview, California Rep. Maxine Waters revealed that Obama possessed a “kind of database that no-one has ever seen before,” with “information about everything, on every individual.”

        “The President has put in place an ORGANIZATION with the kind of DATABASE that no one has ever seen before in life,” Rep. Maxine Waters told Roland Martin.

        “That’s going to be very, very POWERFUL,” Waters said. “That database will have INFORMATION about EVERYTHING ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the DEMOCRATIC ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s been very smart. It’s very POWERFUL what he’s leaving in place.”

        https://newspunch.com/maxine-waters-slips-up-admits-obama-database-info-about-everything-every-individual/

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  9. PRESIDENT’S campaign speech in Minnesota is LIVE now.

    C-SPAN – https://www.c-span.org/video/?474840-1/president-trump-remarks-mankato-minnestoa-economy
    GoldenStateTimes – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjGo4Gstqkc
    Fox Business – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH65bv0Ab9k
    Diamond and Silk (RSBN) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C47owJ-Bj5U
    OANN is also carrying the speeches, but I can’t find a direct link.

    Upcoming airport mini-rallies!

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  10. Q said we’re watching a movie.

    Big question — which movie is it that we’re watching?

    Sometimes I think it’s Matrix or Ex Machina. But more and more I’ve come to think it’s Swordfish. Lots of superficial plots covering for the big plot and LOTS of double or triple agents.

    Real Life Swordfish. Try it on and see if it fits.

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