2020·07·04 KMAG Daily Thread

Guest Author, Thomas Jefferson et. al.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

  • He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
  • He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
  • He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
  • He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
  • He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
  • He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
  • He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
  • He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
  • He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
  • He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
  • He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
  • He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
  • He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
  • For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
  • For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
  • For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
  • For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
  • For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
  • For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
  • For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
  • For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
  • For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
  • He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
  • He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
  • He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
  • He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

My comments

A lot of us like to highlight the following:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Declaration of Independence

I even have a hat, which has on it the Betsy Ross flag, and those words are incused onto the stripes. Very politically incorrect! And not coincidentally, very historically correct.

But as much as I like those words, to me, that’s not the most important part of the Declaration.

It’s not just that we have rights. That alone doesn’t justify replacing one government with another. And explaining why our Founders were doing that was the point of the document.

For that you need to understand what a government is for. And that is explained in the very next “self evident” truth. (Yes, the list of “self evident” truths continues after the commonly quoted part, there are more of them.)

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Declaration of Independence

If this is the proper purpose of a government, and indeed it is, then it follows that a government that no longer does so–say, one that steps on people’s necks for the benefit of others–has failed in its only legitimate purpose and should be replaced. And indeed, that’s the very next, and last, “self evident” truth.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

Declaration of Independence.

The document then goes on to make it clear that this should be done with great caution, and when all other options are exhausted. Then it goes on to argue that, indeed, all other options had been exhausted, so it was now time to go that route. (It’s all very neatly laid out in a logical progression, which is why it isn’t a “ramble” in the way that some of my less-carefully-crafted posts are.)

The Declaration does not mention violent overthrow, but it was clear just from looking around, during those early summer days of 1776, that the rampant, over-reaching government they were complaining about was prepared to fight to maintain its authority and its alleged “right” to be what it was. And if King George was willing to do that, then he was certainly not going to be happy to be told, “not only should you not do those things, you shouldn’t do anything here at all.”

The replacement government would, indeed, contain many mechanisms to contain it, and mechanisms to peacefully reform it, because the Founders really didn’t like having to go to war to protect their rights, even if they recognized the necessity. They did what they could to avoid it being necessary ever again.

(A monarchy claiming divine sanction cannot be reformed from within; it must either come to the realization it has no divine sanction, or undergo some other change of conscience, or be forced to reform from the outside, or be destroyed. That second-to-last one is problematic, since the monarchy is left in a position to try to regain what it had lost, and it will want to do so.)

But let’s get back to the “self evident” truths (see, this is a ramble, but I’ll get there eventually). They are, in summation, an exposition of the enlightenment-era theory of rights and government. God made us in such a way that rights are a part of our nature; governments should protect those rights, not interfere with them. If a government does interfere with the rights, it’s violating the rights it is supposed to be protecting, therefore it’s not a proper government and its victims have the right to alter or abolish it.

I can certainly get along with those who argue this way (assuming that they have a proper notion of “rights,” a rather involved subject which the Declaration doesn’t take up, no doubt due to space limitations).

But there are a couple of things that stand out to me.

I’ve been putting “self evident” in scare quotes. That’s because it’s quite clear, based on prior history, that these truths are anything but self-evident. Many, maybe even most, people don’t believe them. And the Founders were certainly aware of that, they didn’t say, “These truths are self-evident,” but rather that “We hold these truths to be self-evident.” They were self-evident to them. But not to many others.

Indeed, if the truths were self-evident, we’d never have to rise up against government, because the government would restrain itself as a matter of due course. The events of July 4, 1776 (and the war that was ongoing on that date) would have been unnecessary and this would just be another early summer day here in North America, a proud Commonwealth country.

Of course there’s another issue, too. How does one know God wanted people to have these rights? That’s the starting assumption with the Founders’ theory of rights. The Christians and Deists both believed God wants us to have rights, and that was why we have them to begin with. But it is a pretty specific statement, involving two highly abstract concepts (rights and God), and therefore it’s one which ought not to be taken as axiomatic.

So, how do you know God wants you to have these rights? Have you examined this? Now, I’m the village atheist here, so my response to the question is that it’s a non-sequitur, but most of you reading this aren’t atheists, so I actually ask in all earnest whether you have examined this issue. Because I really hope you have an answer for it that satisfies you even if it cannot satisfy me.

It’s an important point for you to be clear on, because from what I have seen, many of those who believe there is a God do not have an answer for it and thus do not believe rights come from God. In other words, they come to the same end conclusion an atheist does (“rights do not come from God”), even if for a very different reason.

So wouldn’t it be useful to have some argument for rights that gets to the correct conclusion in some totally different way? To use on both of these groups of people? Even if there weren’t a single atheist on Earth, and even if everyone on earth were Christian, it’d be a good thing to be able to prove inalienable rights exist, without referencing God.

Why? Because so much of Leftism is based on the perspective that since rights don’t come from God, they don’t actually exist. Or at the very least, they’re just a societal convention or “construct” that we simply implement through our government. It serves the Left, therefore, to put forth the notion that if rights don’t come from God, then they don’t really exist in any meaningful sense since a right granted by government can clearly be alienated at the government’s whim. So it’s not really a right.

It’s actually a false choice. Rights can exist, even if they do not come from God. But the Left just loves it when people fail to see that it’s a false choice; it delivers many Christians and almost every atheist into their camp. And anyone on our side who insists that those are the only two alternatives is therefore actually helping the Left. Because people are much more likely to align their politics with their religious convictions, than to change their religious convictions to match their politics. So if you browbeat someone into accepting that there are only two choices: 1) adopt my religion or a similar one or 2) stop believing there is such a thing as rights…they’ll usually pick number 2. Now I know that you’d much rather they pick door number 1, but realistically, by setting their desire for rights to exist against their deepest convictions, you’re much more likely to goad them into picking door number 2.

So I hope I’ve convinced you of the political utility of a non-religiously-based argument for the existence of rights, even if you yourself have no need of it.

And if you do a bit of logical deduction, you’ll realize that I believe there is one. Because A) I can’t possibly believe the religious argument and B) I’m here even so, not going off helping to demolish statues.

So what is this non-religious argument? Well…it’s long. I’m actually going to point you to an article by Craig Biddle of the Objective Standard. In that article, he summarizes Ayn Rand’s theory of rights. But he doesn’t just do that, he has to discuss her theory of morality before he can cover rights, because, it turns out, rights aren’t a political concept, but a moral/ethical one! (Rand uses those two words interchangeably, which drives the Left nuts.) That’s why a theory of politics can’t deny them, because they exist before you even start talking about politics.

“Wait,” you say, “you can’t have morals without God!” Well, wrong, but thank you for helping the Left by trying to herd all non-believers their way.

Understanding what rights are needed for, gives you a proper definition of rights (rather than a short list of examples), and you then have to tools to assess whether some alleged right really is one.

Like I said, it gets long. But here it is. Go down about a third of the way to the section titled “Ayn Rand’s Observation-Based Morality.” https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2011/08/ayn-rand-theory-rights/

Not everyone will agree with this (Ayn Rand’s morality is hard for some to stomach, largely because she deliberately uses words with some bad connotations to describe it), nor will everyone or agree it’s the best possible defense of “rights” but, the point is, it can be done. You do not have to buy into the Left’s assertion that anyone (believer or non-believer) who does not believe God grants rights has no logical alternative but to become a Leftist, an assertion that serves the Left, not us.

A Reminder Of Today’s Issues.

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.

Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Political correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. The gun is always loaded.
4a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
5. Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
6. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
7. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Coin of The Day

I could point you to the Bicentennial quarter, half dollar and dollar for this. And you can fairly readily obtain proofs of these coins for a fairly low price. (They don’t turn up in circulation. Even the quarter is under-represented in circulation once one corrects for its age and its mintage; people apparently keep them when they get them.)

Naah, time for something completely different.

1794 silver dollar, the first to be minted by the United States under our Constitution.

Once the Mint had hired bonded officers, it was able to start producing silver and gold coinage, starting in 1794. A small number of these coins 1758 of them to be exact, called the “Flowing Hair Dollar” was produced in 1794, a much larger number, 160,295 in 1795. (In 1796 the portrait of Liberty was changed greatly, and the eagle was changed more subtly.) Today, best estimates are that about 4,000 to 7,500 of them still exist, with maybe 150-250 in uncirculated condition. Even the rattiest uncirculated example is going to cost around $60,000; in Extra Fine condition, it drops to a mere $12,000. But those are prices for a 1795, not a 1794. For a 1794, expect to pay an even million dollars for a ratty uncirculated coin, and $300,000 for an extra fine.

The most ever paid for a rare coin was $10,000,000, and it was for a 1794 dollar (named the “Contursi Specimen” after one of its former owners) that, under detailed examination has to be one of the first made, probably the first one made of those that still survive. (We know this because the dies that stamp out the coins themselves degrade with use; one can tell the difference between coins struck from fresh dies versus ones from dies that were getting tired, and if you’re really good at that sort of thing, you can tell new from almost, almost new, and so on.)

The Contursi Specimen 1794 dollar. Is this the very first dollar the US Mint ever made?

The coin has a silver plug (you can see part of its outline below the eagle’s beak), possibly to bring the silver content up to standard, but it also has “adjustment marks” (file marks across the surface, you can see them at 2 and 8-10 o’clock on the obverse, and 5-8 o’clock on the reverse) used to reduce the weight of the coin. Many claim that that coin was the very first US dollar made, and their argument is strong but (to me) not really conclusive. In any case a company named Legend Numismatics won the thing in an auction for over $7 million and then asked to have their bid increased to ten million. Just for bragging rights! (Legend, by the way, is a table worth stopping by at coin shows–they have absolutely killer, high grade stuff. [Just try not to drool.] I really want to go through their dumpster someday; their rejects would look fantastic in my collection. Come to think of it, I did get a coin in one of their auctions, once; it was definitely not one of their finer offerings.)

Standard disclaimer: Neither this, nor any other coin I show here, is one I own. In some cases I own a similar coin, but by no means all or even most of them. I certainly couldn’t afford to even think about paying ten million dollars for any coin.

Obligatory PSA/Reminder

Just one more thing, my standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!

I hope this guy isn’t rotting in the laogai somewhere!

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!


580 thoughts on “2020·07·04 KMAG Daily Thread

    1. Same in Oregon even if church is social distancing, ! Strange but it is OK for protestors to scream and yell, even yell in an officer’s face. Yet singing in church is banned. Don’t they realize that too many are seeing through the Democratic craziness that some were once buying into!

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    2. “I cannot believe this!!!

      Dr. Robert Jeffress: California Bans Singing in Places of Worship | July 3, 2020”

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      This sets up a direct conflict with Christianity, which is what “they” always wanted.

      And it’s way past time to start standing up against this implacable evil. This new ‘decree’ is a direct attack on Christian worship.

      The pattern and example in ALL of the New Testament, for Christian worship, is singing (no instruments).

      “A capella” – singing

      The term “a cappella” means singing without instrumental accompaniment. In Latin, “a capella” means “in the manner of the chapel” or “in the manner of the church.”

      The manner of the church in the 1st century was singing, ‘a capella’ (no instruments), and there has been no further instructions from God to change it since then.

      Every reference in the New Testament is about singing only, there is not one New Testament example that includes instruments:

      “Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.” (Hebrews 2:12, KJV)

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      “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” (Colossians 3:16)

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      “And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.” (Acts 16:25)

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      “Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;” (Ephesians 5:19)

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      “Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.” (James 5:13)

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      “What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.” (1 Corinthians 14:15)

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      “And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.” (Matt 26:30)

      It is time to stand against this evil, both for our rights as Americans, and more importantly, for our ability to worship God as He instructs and desires, according to the Authority of His Word.

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    1. I echo this, and happy Independence Day to all! 🇺🇸

      I can’t fathom the courage it took to write and sign the Declaration of Independence, knowing the import of that decision. It was the original WWG1WGA, for America: “…we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

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      1. Yes, and many of us are afraid to put a Trump bumper sticker on our car or even wear a MAGA hat in public. Sad!
        Enjoyed the opening, Steve….worthy of a re-read again today. Thanks for focusing our attention to what’s really important.

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        1. If we put a Trump bumper sticker on our car, we are libel to get pulled out of that car MOBBED and beaten to death.

          Being DUMB does not win wars.

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        2. However we CAN put Trump bumper stickers on THEIR cars. MASKS make such things SOOoooo much easier.. (snicker) (Be careful of video showing who you are. Appearance changes are your friend.)

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  1. It is my belief that the language of “endowed by their Creator” and “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God” are a bit of a side-shuffle to say, “nobody here gave them; and nobody here can take them away.” They are innate in all of us from the moment of our creation and are part of the way the world works, even if you can’t see anyone turning the crank. It could just as well have said, “we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all protons are created equal and F=ma….”

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      1. Actually…

        Yes, we most certainly can take those rights away. We have before and we’ll do so again, given the slightest opportunity.

        Sincerely,

        Atheist Marxism

        (which, of course, is much like signing “wet water” or “cold ice”)

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        As much as atheists….left or right…may try…..and they go to great lengths to do so (with very impressive mental gymnastics)….attempting to divorce the founder’s understanding and, more importantly, their meaning of “inalienable rights” from their knowledge, faith in, and EXPERIENCE of God….as informed by judeo-christian beliefs, history, teachings, and knowledge…

        …is not only historically inaccurate, it is also, in the end, a denial of their reasonings.

        FACT: the life of Jesus, his teachings, and equally as important…his deity…forever altered the world’s and mankind’s history ever since.

        When discussing concepts such as inalienable rights as it relates to the founders meaning and understanding, one cannot divorce the topic from their religious beliefs. These meanings and understandings were themselves informed by the Magna Carta and it’s history. One of it’s main principles was the concept of religious freedom (then known as the “protection of church rights“).

        The Papacy was very much involved in the establishment of the Magna Carta. Now, one can argue politics surrounding the Magna Carta are one cares to. But the fact is that christian religious beliefs and understandings were HIGHLY influential…absolutely KEY actually….in the establishment of that important document, which itself is the basis of our Constitution.

        The point I’m trying to make here is this: The Constitution of the United States of America and the Declaration of Independence are both inextricably tied to the life of Jesus Christ…as is the entire history of western civilization following his life.

        One cannot have a full understanding of the history of western civilization without having an in-depth understanding of the history of the church and how the church came to be. Obviously, and it goes without saying, that the church and its existence is itself inextricably tied to the life of Jesus Christ.

        I will leave off with this…

        No man who has ever walked the earth has anything close to the significance, importance, and impact upon human history as has Jesus Christ, son of the Lord God Almighty. This fact, alone, serves as proof of his deity…

        … as does the successful establishment of the United States of America…which itself was nothing short of a God-given miracle.

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        1. Standing on my chair clapping…

          Post of the Day, FGC. It is so obvious, yet, so willfully ignored by many, some of whom even call themselves Christians. Turn from your sins and wicked ways, non-believers and backsliders. Seek forgiveness and repent as the author of eternity has come to earth in the person of Jesus Christ to save us all. America is grand even in its name because faithful men and women answered His call.

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        2. “the successful establishment of the United States of America…which itself was nothing short of a God-given miracle.”

          More and more, we are convinced that the election of President Trump was another miracle.

          In the months preceding the election, Rev. Franklin Graham led prayer on the steps of EVERY single State Capitol building….and the night before he led almost 80K Americans to pray for our country!

          Those prayers and more prayers – even from people around the world – who look to the USA to uphold the ideals and truths of LIBERTY AND JUSTICE for ALL – were also praying!

          We got our miracle – President Trump! A man strong and bold enough to fight and stand against communism’s ugly insidious and overt assaults and actions.

          See Smiley’s comment HERE

          As Peter Navarro has shown here – President Trump will fight them in the open!
          https://twitter.com/PeterNavarro45/status/1279167351947214849.

          President Trump is proclaiming to the communists, BLM, ØFA, $or0$, the anti-Americans, the Bush/Romney/Kristol Never Trumpers, to the UN globalists and their ilk – “Hear this loud and clear – you send your nasty violent thugs to tear down our statues and memorials; you try to cancel our history and culture – > This President and our American Patriots will defend our treasured monuments and memorials – AND build even MOAR statues, memorials and tributes to American history culture!!!!

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        3. FG&C

          DO NOT toss out the Atheists on the right. That is a methof of DIVIDING US!

          You do not have to be Christian to understand:

          Good is Good

          Evil is Evil

          AND to understand that as a PHILOSOPHY Christianity is a heck of a lot better that the rest and got us to where we are today.

          …..

          From an Atheist who warned us about Communism many years ago. Hubby got to hear her speak several times.

          Envy/Hatred of the Good for Being the Good


          Today, we live in the Age of Envy.

          “Envy” is not the emotion I have in mind, but it is the clearest manifestation of an emotion that has remained nameless; it is the only element of a complex emotional sum that men have permitted themselves to identify.

          ….. That emotion is: hatred of the good for being the good.

          This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree.

          . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable.

          If a child wants to get good grades in school, but is unable or unwilling to achieve them and begins to hate the children who do, that is hatred of the good….

          The nature of the particular values a man chooses to hold is not the primary factor in this issue (although irrational values may contribute a great deal to the formation of that emotion). The primary factor and distinguishing characteristic is an emotional mechanism set in reverse: a response of hatred, not toward human vices, but toward human virtues….

          It is impossible to experience love, which is a response to values, when one’s automatized response to values is hatred.

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            1. There are GOOD people of what ever religion or even those not religious.

              It is idiotic to bite a hand that is willing to pitch in and help. At this point, with not only the USA but the entire world at stake, offending those who are willing to help safe our nation and the world from the coming thousands of years of darkness is way beyond foolish.

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              1. Wow.

                Talk about veering off course!!

                No one was biting anyone else’s hand nor seeing anyone else as “a problem”, per se.

                My reply to Steve dealt EXCLUSIVELY with the founders’ understanding of the concept of inalienable rights and where/how that understanding came from.

                And if, by chance, the issue lies with the opening of my comment, it as important to understand how atheism is as key to understanding marxism as christianity is to understanding the founding principals of our Republic.

                Both of your responses deal with “feelings”. I was speaking to the logic and reasoning behind the founders concept of inalienable rights and it’s origin. Both of you are wrong to state that I was biting Steve or throwing him out.

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  2. Wonderful 4th of July post, Steve! I’ll have to read more closely tomorrow with coffee, as it’s way past my bed time.

    Just scanning the list of complaints describing the evil treatment foisted upon the colony by the English King and Parliament – we can be sure our Founding Fathers were more than justified in their decision to separate from Britain and be a FREE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE FOREVERMORE,

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        1. That’s probably still in my clipboard — I had thought to include it myself but thought it was too early in the history of the thread.

          There are something like 1200 unelected boards and commissions in California alone, with each board member and commissioner making maybe $50K for any board they are on. They meet 4-12 times per year, for one day, and they are stuffed to the gills with nieces, nephews, cousins, college roommates, girlfriends, and hangers-on of politicians.

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  3. Damn, no wonder there are issues with conservatives. The party of peace wants people to kidnap and abuse children of Republicans. Come on this is so sick!! (I hope you realize that first part of statement is snarky).

    Twitter Software Engineer Advocates for Kidnapping and Violently Abusing Children of Republicans

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/twitter-software-engineer-advocates-for-kidnapping-and-violently-abusing-children-of-republicans/

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    1. ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1279118122025390086%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbigleaguepolitics.com%2Ftwitter-software-engineer-advocates-for-kidnapping-and-violently-abusing-children-of-republicans%2F…

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  4. Just came to the Qtree to post this; apologies if it has already been posted, and also I did not yet listen to it, but BCP is very proTrump, so it can’t be too bad. Just intrigued that he mentions Q-Anons…

    Please pray for me fellow Qtreepers; I have been working hard to get a real Conservative leader (we have two running in the Federal Conservative Party leadership race) and to get pro-lifers, (social conservatives) mobilized. Which is why I have not been hanging out here much lately. We have CINOs also running for leadership (Conservtives in Name only)

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  5. See Bottom of Mt. Trumpmore thread for list of names for POTUS’ statue park. Also, WH doc (Cates threads) details on who can and how they must be built.

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      1. Indeed, many names were notable by their absence, but it did say “including” meaning more can be added. Meanwhile, the list includes many different categories of people. So it shows breadth, not depth, and that’s what I think it needed to do most.

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        1. Yes, but why put Christa McAuliffe there and not Sally Ride, or Shannon (I can’t remember her last name) who spent MONTHS on the International Space Station.

          If you’re going for literature and the arts: Herman Mehlville, Remington, John Singer Sargent, even John Williams.

          There’s so many you could add ten a year for a century and still not get them all.

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          1. Personal preference on his part, perhaps.

            I admit Christa McAuliffe’s name jumped out at me as not quite belonging.

            I’m in a bad place to go look; did he include Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin?

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  6. Our Declaration of Independence

    was written by

    Thomas Jefferson

    Benjamin Franklin

    John Adams

    Roger Sherman and

    Robert Livingston

    “When in the Course of human events,
    it becomes necessary . . .

    Approved by the new and beginning United States
    of America July 4, 1776

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      1. Book: David McCullough, “John Adams”

        For reference ONLY – Amazon link:
        *https://www.amazon.com/John-Adams-David-McCullough/dp/0743223136

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        1. Oh, you probably right. He could pass for Sam Elliot too, Cousin pointed that out and damn, no more Sam Elliot crush for me.
          He was the guy we used to see movies of, and think no way. Grandma’ was a teacher and her family would not speak to for years, cause she ran off with some bad cowboy.

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  7. Rep. Anthony Sabatini
    @AnthonySabatini

    If you are arrested or fined for not wearing a mask—call me and I will represent you for free

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  8. So is this why Jr. wasn’t in SD? ANyone know, He quarantined with Kim?

    *https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/1279253366338707456?s=20

    Matt Couch 🎙
    @RealMattCouch
    Liberals cheering the fact that Kim Guilfoyle has the coronavirus is typical of these leftist mob like cowards.

    We wish her a speedy recovery, the same recovery that happens to 99.7% of Americans.
    10:19 PM · Jul 3, 2020·Twitter Web App

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  9. The speech was very successful out there…

    Back The Police & Our Military 🇺🇸 (@SipowiczB) Tweeted:
    Unprecedented pushback. Coup attempts. Fake impeachment. Endless sabotage from anyone and everyone in government. Generals. Government employees.

    Why? Ask yourself why.

    Because he knows the full extent of the criminality, fake wars & treason.

    He said “fuck you”

    That’s why.

    .https://twitter.com/SipowiczB/status/1279234212902682624?s=20

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  10. https://twitter.com/ClimateRealists/status/1279290220068982784.

    Climate Realists
    @ClimateRealists

    Twitter treated as a laboratory for ‘left-wing narratives’ | Sky News Australia

    Twitter treated as a laboratory for ‘left-wing narratives’ | Sky News Australia

    Hard-left narratives which emerge on mainstream media, have usually been trialed first on Twitter, according to Sky News host Rita Panahi. “On Twitter you can see how ideas are born, how flawed they…

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6169098990001

    1:45 AM · Jul 4, 2020·Twitter for iPad

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  11. Today, this 4th of July…our Republic’s Independence Day celebration and day of remembrance…

    …and in both honoring and echoing our most exceptional President and his incredible speech given at Mt. Rushmore…

    ….of which our own MAGAMom rightfully said…

    “… there is truly so much packed into this speech and the timing of what has been going on…this is a battle cry … this is an ANSWER, a return of fire”…

    …and in answer to Americans who would desecrate or refuse to stand for our Republic’s flag…

    If you ever have cause to tell someone why we stand for our flag, why we honor it, and why it is NEVER allowed to touch the ground and be soiled by doing so, remember this story among all else PDJT said tonight.

    It is the story of the first black American to be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor (by date of action, not award).

    .

    .
    He was Army Sgt. William H. Carney…

    …who earned the honor for protecting one of the United States’ greatest symbols during the Civil War — the American flag.

    .
    Carney was born into slavery in Norfolk, Virginia, in 1840. His family was eventually granted freedom and moved to Massachusetts, where Carney was eager to learn and secretly got involved in academics, despite laws and restrictions that banned blacks from learning to read and write.

    Carney had wanted to pursue a career in the church, but when the Civil War broke out, he decided the best way he could serve God was by serving in the military to help free the oppressed.

    In March 1863, Carney joined the Union Army and was attached to Company C, 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Colored Infantry Regiment, the second official black unit recruited for the Union in the north. Forty other black men served with him in C Company, including two of famed abolitionist Frederick Douglass’ sons.

    The Second Battle of Fort Wagner – July 18, 1863

    Fort Wagner, or Battery Wagner as it was known to the Confederates, controlled the southern approaches to Charleston Harbor. This made it a very key and important strategic position. The fort was on a very narrow island, so the Union could only assault the fort with one regiment at a time. 😳😖

    The approach to the fort was constricted to a strip of beach 60 yards (55 m) wide with the ocean to the east and the marsh from Vincent’s (now Bass) Creek to the west. Upon rounding this defile, the Union Army was presented with the 250-yard south face of Fort Wagner, which stretched from Vincent’s creek to the sea. Surrounding the fort was a shallow moat riveted with sharpened palmetto logs, as abatis, and the moat on the seaward side had planks with spikes positioned beneath the water. The armament of Fort Wagner on the night of July 18 consisted of one 10-inch seacoast mortar, two 32 lb. carronades, two 8-inch shell guns, two 32 lb. howitzers, a 42 lb. carronade, and an 8-inch seacoast mortar on the land face. Company A of the 1st South Carolina Artillery also had two guns positioned outside of Wagner’s southern face by Vincent’s creek to provide enfilading fire.

    Simply put, it was a death trap.

    As you can see below, the 54th’s advance on the fort narrowed to a 60 yard wide strip, funneling the advancing regiment into a very tightly packed formation upon which the rebels could concentrate their fire. Losses were horrendous, and even the 54th’s commander, abolishonist Col. Robert Shaw, was killed during the engagement, as were Gen. George Crockett Strong (mortally wounded in the thigh by grape shot while trying to rally his men), Col. Haldimand S. Putnam (shot in the head and killed in the salient) and Col. John Lyman Chatfield of the 6th Connecticut.

    .

    During the battle, the regiment’s color guard (the man carrying the US Flag) was shot. Carney, who was just a few feet away, saw the dying man stumble, and he scrambled to catch the falling flag. Despite suffering several serious gunshot wounds himself, Carney kept the symbol of the Union held high as he crawled up the hill to the walls of Fort Wagner, urging his fellow troops to follow him. He planted the flag in the sand at the base of the fort and held it upright until he was rescued.

    While the Union troops were forced to retreat under fire, he struggled back across the battlefield with the aid of a white soldier of the 100th New York. This soldier attempted to persuade Carney to allow him to carry the colors, given Carney’s wounds. Carney vehemently refused. During their retreat, both men were shot and wounded yet again. Witnesses later attested that Carney refused to give the flag to his rescuer or any others.

    Eventually returning to the union lines and turning over the colors to another survivor of the 54th, Carney proclaimed, “Boys, I only did my duty; the old flag never touched the ground!”

    Carney had been shot in the face, his shoulder, both legs, and cannon grape shot in one arm.

    In spite of these wounds and very nearly losing his life due to a loss of blood….and God only knows how much pain he was in….not once did he allow the American flag…..torn and shot through….to touch the ground.

    .
    In all, approx. 1,515 Union soldiers were killed, captured, or wounded in the assault of July 18, although this number has never been accurately ascertained. Gen. Hagood, the commander of Fort Wagner, on the morning of July 19, stated in his report to Gen. P.G.T. Beauregard that he buried 800 bodies in mass graves in front of Wagner. Only 315 men were left from the 54th after the battle, approx. 30% of all who set out to assault the fort.


    The Storming of Ft Wagner-lithograph by Kurz and Allison 1890

    .
    .
    .
    There are a great many stories like this one, from all the wars America has fought, all of which illustrate the importance and significance of our flag. It is the symbol of our shared heritage, our founding as a Republic, our values, our ideals, the remembrance of our shared past, and our hopes for the future.

    When we stand for the flag, and sing our national anthem, we do so in honor of those who sacrificed so much yesterday so that we may have so much today. Their loss was for our gain.

    On a personal note, I have been accused in my past of being a “warmonger”. I am not a warmonger. I am, however, a very eager student of military history, and part of the reason is because stories like Sergeant Carney’s are indispensable to understanding America’s history, who we are as a people, and why our nation…our Republic…is the greatest to have ever existed upon the earth.

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      1. As a matter of fact (and I didn’t mention this so as not to soil the OP)…

        BLM filth….”supposedly” protesting for black americans….desecrated the monument to the 54th Mass. on May 31….exactly 123 years TO THE DAY 😳 that the monument was unveiled and dedicated.

        It is the first civic monument to pay homage to the heroism of African American soldiers. It was paid for by the survivors of the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry and emancipated Black people from Beaufort, South Carolina.

        .
        This is written on the rear of the monument…above BLM desecration in the picture above…

        “The White Officers taking life and honor in their hands cast in their lot with men of a despised race, unproven in war, and risked death as inciters of servile insurrection if taken prisoners besides encountering all the common perils of camp march and battle. The Black rank and file volunteered when disaster clouded the Union Cause. Served without pay for eighteen months till given that of white troops. Faced threatened enslavement or murder if captured. Were brave in action. Patient under heavy and dangerous labors. And cheerful amid hardships and privations. Together they gave to the Nation and the World undying proof that Americans of African descent possess the pride, courage and devotion of the patriot soldier. One hundred and eighty thousand such Americans enlisted under the Union Flag in MDCCCLXIII–MDCCCLXV. [1863-1865]”

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      1. Elsewhere, FG&C suggested adding “medal of honor winners” to the list (as well as other good suggestions). There have been enough of them that to portray them individually would mean the people whose names are well known would be swamped, so I suspect he meant a single statue to stand for them all (though you can correct me if I am wrong about this, FG&C).

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        1. I think there should be a monument to “the common man” included as well. We ALL, throughout the history of America, have contributed to her greatness in some way. Even the stupid, ignorant protesters give us an enemy to fight, which unveils truths otherwise unseen by many. We all have a role to play.

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          1. And some protests have been righteous.

            Not THESE protests, mind you!

            But I could see a design with the famous people in the center…surrounded by a marble wall, to represent the common man.

            Many of whom were anything but common, but are simply unremembered by most today. They should be well-known, but aren’t. You probably know of a few examples.

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  12. Wall Street Journal (alma mater of half of Fusion GPS) tried to get intelligence on Gab, presumably to help the Cancel Culture take it down one more time. Andrew Torba leads the guy on, as if he was an Nigerian bank official or “Microsoft” calling from India about your computer having a virus.

    Very instructive article, to learn how to deal with leftist media spies.

    https://news.gab.com/2020/06/30/gabs-email-exchange-with-the-wall-street-journal/

    JUNE 30, 2020 BY ANDREW TORBA

    Gab’s Email Exchange With The Wall Street Journal

    A former Facebook employee turned Wall Street Journal journalist reached out to me today digging into how Gab runs our business and manages to stay online despite being no-platformed by dozens of service providers over the years. Below is our full email exchange. I want you all to see how these people operate. The way they weasel and work behind the scenes. I also want you to compare this full conversation to what he actually publishes. Enjoy!

    Hello,
    I’m a reporter for The Wall Street Journal and I’m looking into how platforms with strong free speech policies are dealing with their dependence on large internet infrastructure companies (like Cloudflare). Would Andrew Torba be interested in participating in an interview?

    Best,
    Euirim Choi

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    1. It really is an exceptional piece of music, IMHO.

      I can easily understand why it is played before a drop. It is totally “gird yourself…this is gonna be nasty but you can do it, and eternal honor awaits you no matter what happens. Duty. Honor. Faith.” Grim but inspiring and hopeful at the same time.

      Grabs me right in the feels and gives it a shake whenever I hear it.

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    2. Have you seen that movie, Michael?

      It’s one of my all-time favorite movies…so I’ve probably watched it over a hundred times.
      Practically wore out my VCR tape of it.

      One of the Big Themes is…Betrayal.

      And also…Don’t Surrender.
      Because it will not save you, you will be betrayed and still have to fight for your life.

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      1. I have seen it actually. At the time I was not terribly bowled over by it, b/c it did deviate from the book significantly. But I was also a lot younger when it came out (1992) so maybe I would appreciate it more now and should give it another spin.

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  13. We were blessed to see the annual fireworks show over the lake on Friday! Northern Michigan is way more laid back about the CV hysteria than downstate so it’s a relief to get away from the insanity. Hope you are all enjoying a beautiful Independence Day with those you love. God Bless!!!

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      1. Missing:

        George Washington
        Congressional Medal of Honor memorial
        Brig. Gen. Jimmy Stewart
        Albert Einstein
        Neil Armstrong
        Bob Hope
        Henry Ford
        Ray Charles
        Charles Lindbergh
        Jesse Owens
        Mark Twain
        John Wayne
        Kelly Johnson
        Bass Reeves

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        1. George Washington did make the list. Maybe this is just the beginning list because of the way they plan on laying out the garden. I don’t think the President and First Lady forget anything.

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      1. Makes me wish for the big displays under the Arch again. On the 4th, they were 45 minutes long and the pall of gunpowder in the air just hung. One year, the wind was from the east and blew it all into downtown.

        Ah, the memories.

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        1. Nice. I’ve never really seen the International Fireworks display on the Detroit River celebrating our Independence Day & Canada’s (some day of importance I’m not sure what it’s called). I’ve seen pictures & it looks like they shoot off the fireworks in triplicate from a barge in the middle of the river. Quite the show…but we’re usually Up North at that time so we make do with small town Americana, which is also a blessing…

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          1. Seriously, any firework that explodes in a circular pattern is going to create a circle or ellipse in the sky, and the mortar trail is going to provide the cross-stroke. (One should see the mortar trail, then the circle.)

            Usually the mortar is set to not produce a visible trail, but in this case, I think they deliberately ignited them, so that nothing but ash would ever hit the ground. That was one of the precautions against accidentally starting a forest fire.

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  14. “So I hope I’ve convinced you of the political utility of a non-religiously-based argument for the existence of rights, even if you yourself have no need of it.”

    ______________

    I don’t think it can be done, for the simple reason that if ‘rights’ came from man and not God, then they would be gone before you pronounced the ‘s’ in ‘rights’.

    If Rights come from man, then they can be taken away by man, which means they are not actually ‘rights’ at all, but benefits or privileges, which means tools of manipulation, and those tools don’t belong to you, they belong to whoever can take them away (i.e., ‘might makes right’, which is the opposite of inherent individual ‘rights’).

    So if ‘rights’ came from men, if ‘rights’ were a creation of men, then practically speaking, the concept of ‘rights’ wouldn’t even exist long enough to be a footnote in history.

    .

    By contrast, that which is given by God cannot be taken away by man, except:

    1) by Due Process, e.g., one’s freedom taken away as punishment after conviction for a crime, which historically would have been a violation of God’s law, and the government was an instrument to punish evildoing, so in effect, so long as the government is not corrupt, when due process is followed, in the example of incarceration above, it is God (not man) who takes your (right to) freedom away:

    …………….
    “For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:3-4, KJV)
    …………….

    2) by Theft, e.g., lawless tyranny, brute force, either by an individual (robber, murderer, etc.) or by a corrupt government, for which the lawful recourse is the God-given right to self defense at the individual level, or revolution at the national level.

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    1. To say it another way, it is because our rights come from God that We the People have the wherewithal to act as a check against any government which would attempt to take them away.

      Because the criminals people in government know that if, for example, Pelosi and her Cabal attempted to nullify or remove our Rights, that We the People would put our hands on them, and physically remove them.

      Why?

      Why do We the People have the seemingly radical Authority (the Right) to abolish the government, if the government makes a credible attempt to lawlessly take what God has given us?

      Because We the People (who have God-given inherent Rights) created the States, and then the Constitution, which in turn authorized the creation of the federal government, therefore We the People are superior by (at least) THREE LEVELS of Authority over the federal government, and it is a Maxim that the created — in this case, the government — cannot be greater than the Creator. This concept takes us right back to God, because God created us, and we can never be greater than (or even remotely equal to) God, our Creator.

      God created us, therefore we are subject to His Authority (whether we rebel or not is a different matter); We the People created the government, therefore the government is subject to Our Authority. The government literally has not the Authority to take our Rights, because the created (government) cannot be greater than the Creator (us, We the People).

      In this regard we are different from most (all?) other countries in the world, because We the People created this country, it was not cobbled together by some ruthless Monarch (the effective definition of a ‘Monarch’ being someone who was better at murder than any of his adversaries in order to become Monarch, and in turn credibly threatens murder in perpetuity against everyone else in order to remain Monarch).

      Our government, whose lawful Charter (Constitution) is to protect and defend our RIGHTS, was created by We the People. If the government is in violation of its Charter, then the government is in violation of its raison d’être, its justification to exist.

      Absent that justification (or in violation of it), the government ceases to exist as a lawful body; it is effectively ‘dead’ already, and can therefore be abolished.

      Or think of the Constitution as a Trust, where the government officials are the Trustees, and We the People are the beneficiaries. If the Trustees violate their sworn oath and fiduciary and other lawful obligations to protect and serve the interests of the beneficiaries, they are removed (and prosecuted).

      At a fundamental level, our Rights are the only thing which stands between us and the barbarians, between freedom and tyranny, so if our Rights are credibly threatened, we must go nuclear without hesitation — it is a clear, bright red line in the sand which shall not be crossed, because without them, without our Rights, there is nothing but oppression and death.

      And if you are effectively ‘dead’ without them, then there is no reason not to risk death in order to keep them.

      Because you having nothing to lose.

      Allowing rights to be taken = certain death; yours, your family’s, our country’s, and ultimately the death (and certain systematic erasure) of Western Civilization

      Risking death by fighting to keep rights = possible, even probable, victory; life and liberty (freedom)

      Because God gave us these rights, they are inherently part of us, of who we are, and therefore no man has the Authority to take them away.

      It is always going to come back around to God, and Authority, no matter how we slice it or dice it, because without God, the ‘equation’ won’t balance, for lack of a better way to say it.

      Our rights, given by God, are recognized and guaranteed in the Bill of Rights as Amendments to the Constitution, they are not granted or created by the Constitution.

      Our rights are inherent within us (inalienable), they exist because we exist — and we exist because God created us, so we’re back to God again.

      This is a great subject to discuss 👍

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      1. If we ever become so prideful as not to accknowledge that our rights are granted by our Creator, I do not believe God will protect those rights. We will come under tyranny. Thank you, Lord, for the precious rights you have given us, and may they be preserved, and let us never forget.

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      2. It would be a great subject to discuss…but you first must quit strawmanning my position. I do NOT claim our rights come from man. That’s precisely the false alternative I complain about.

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        1. “It would be a great subject to discuss…but you first must quit strawmanning my position. I do NOT claim our rights come from man. That’s precisely the false alternative I complain about.”

          _____________

          I did not mean to strawman your position, or even directly reference your position, other than to note that our Rights must come from somewhere, and if they do not come from God, the only other alternative is from man.

          And it doesn’t work if Rights come from man, for all the reasons I outlined.

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          1. And it doesn’t work if Rights come from man, for all the reasons I outlined.

            True that, and I alluded to many of those issues myself.

            other than to note that our Rights must come from somewhere, and if they do not come from God, the only other alternative is from man.

            An argument from incredulity. Since you cannot imagine a third alternative, one must not exist.

            Your limitations are no constraint on reality.

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            1. “An argument from incredulity. Since you cannot imagine a third alternative, one must not exist.”

              ____________

              And the 3rd alternative is…?

              .

              “Your limitations are no constraint on reality.”

              ____________

              Agreed, no constraint on reality, but by your reluctance to enlighten me as to what the 3rd alternative is, and then present an argument for it 😁

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              1. As I said in the post, it’s a very long argument because it has to start a ways back, at morality.

                I did link to a better exposition than I myself could write. If you REALLY want to know, go read it.

                If, instead, you wish to use my reluctance to do a bad job presenting it when others have done a more capable one, as an excuse to dismiss it, that’s fine too.

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              2. “I did link to a better exposition than I myself could write. If you REALLY want to know, go read it.”

                __________

                If you mean the Ayn Rand perspective article referenced in your original post, I will read it. 👍

                .

                “If, instead, you wish to use my reluctance to do a bad job presenting it when others have done a more capable one, as an excuse to dismiss it, that’s fine too.”

                __________

                Not at all, it’s just difficult to respond, when the proposition is that God is not responsible for giving us our Rights, and man isn’t either, and no obvious ‘Door Number Three’ is presented.

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              3. Yeah, all I really had the time and energy to do was say that there was a door number three, and provide a pointer to it. I guess I wasn’t clear about that pointer being what it was, despite my best efforts. (Which tells me I should indeed leave it to the pros to present the theory itself).

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        2. “It would be a great subject to discuss…but you first must quit strawmanning my position. I do NOT claim our rights come from man. That’s precisely the false alternative I complain about.”

          ____________

          What *is* your position?

          The article is 5 pages long, 3,050 words, 17,965 characters (with spaces), and 67 paragraphs long (Microsoft Word stats).

          Can you distill your position down to a direct point or two, which can be presented as an argument, to be cross-examined?

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  15. Post-Rushmore report….

    Aubergine
    July 4, 2020 at 02:30

    Well, I made it back to the camper, so I am updating for anyone still reading.

    One super cool thing that happened was when the band played the anthems for all the services. They played, for the first time in public, the new anthem for Space Force! So I got to be there for that, which is historic and awesome!

    The speech was PERFECT! I don’t know how obvious it was on media, but in person, the crowd was very respectful and listening intently. It was very different from a rally. There was applause, cheers, and the occasional yell, but mostly polite applause.

    The fireworks were incredible. They were timed to the music, and even matched in color for a song or two (Red, White, and Blue lyric, red white and blue fireworks).

    Melania looked amazing, I was so happy that I got to see her in person!

    Kristi Noem is a ROCKSTAR! She is destined for the Presidency someday, IMHO. Smart, articulate, beautiful. She has it all.

    As I expected, the crowd was kind to each other. No problems whatsoever.

    We ran into no significant protesters. I said earlier that I saw five. That’s ALL I ever saw. The protesters who blocked the road did so after most everyone was inside the park, from what I could tell. The lady sitting next to me saw more protesters than I did, she arrived an hour and a half after me, and got shoe-horned into a seat. But even she had no problem getting past them.

    This was EXACTLY what Trump supporters needed to get us going for the campaign. It seems the focus is maintaining and preserving the America we all know and love.

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  16. Post-Rushmore report….

    Aubergine
    July 4, 2020 at 02:30
    Well, I made it back to the camper, so I am updating for anyone still reading.

    One super cool thing that happened was when the band played the anthems for all the services. They played, for the first time in public, the new anthem for Space Force! So I got to be there for that, which is historic and awesome!

    The speech was PERFECT! I don’t know how obvious it was on media, but in person, the crowd was very respectful and listening intently. It was very different from a rally. There was applause, cheers, and the occasional yell, but mostly polite applause.

    The fireworks were incredible. They were timed to the music, and even matched in color for a song or two (Red, White, and Blue lyric, red white and blue fireworks).

    Melania looked amazing, I was so happy that I got to see her in person!

    Kristi Noem is a ROCKSTAR! She is destined for the Presidency someday, IMHO. Smart, articulate, beautiful. She has it all.

    As I expected, the crowd was kind to each other. No problems whatsoever.

    We ran into no significant protesters. I said earlier that I saw five. That’s ALL I ever saw. The protesters who blocked the road did so after most everyone was inside the park, from what I could tell. The lady sitting next to me saw more protesters than I did, she arrived an hour and a half after me, and got shoe-horned into a seat. But even she had no problem getting past them.

    This was EXACTLY what Trump supporters needed to get us going for the campaign. It seems the focus is maintaining and preserving the America we all know and love.

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              1. they left quite a, ahem, calling card in places.

                Those are known as political statements.

                And one key takeaway from the FIrst Amendment is that one must take care not to trample on their free speech.

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              2. Indeed.

                I often refer to a trip to the bathroom as “making a political statement.” Since it seems so apropos most of the time. ‘Today we will discuss Chuck Schumer….” followed a while later by a flushing sound.

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              3. Oh, YUK! You must be exhausted from these past two weeks!

                Do your neighbors engage in fireworks fun? If so, maybe the Raccoon Mob will be frightened away – Hey, we can hope!!!

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              4. our nearest neighbors are 2 miles away. they are haying in the hot weather and are too tired to worry about fireworks…lol…nearest neighbor has cows and horses too…
                but a small town in NY has a racetrack–they have fireworks almost every Saturday night…

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              5. Are you that close to the state line? Well, I was hoping it got noisy enough to scare them away – I think it is going to get especially loud here tonight – people are filled with pent up energy from all of this COVID CON – they will unleash their Patriotism in defiance of the dictators. JMHO

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              6. Awww…I love the little chipmunks – even though they often raid the bird feeders – hope he got free – you are definitely on your own – way out in the boonies – you are!!!

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    1. Not a small thing, so I’d agree. Meanwhile the muzzies have tried their hand at mucking up the place as well in the past few years and will no doubt try again.

      Here’s a quick look at who is interned there:

      Kings
      All but three of the Kings of France were buried in the basilica, as well as a few other monarchs. The remains of the earlier monarchs were removed from the destroyed Abbey of St Genevieve. Some of the most prominent of these are:

      Clovis I (466–511)
      Childebert I (496–558)
      Aregund (515/520–580)
      Fredegund (third wife of Chilperic I), (died 597)
      Dagobert I (603–639)
      Clovis II (634–657)
      Charles Martel (686–741)
      Pepin the Short (714–768) and his wife, Bertrada of Laon (born 710–727, died 783)
      Carloman I (751–771)
      Charles the Bald (823–877) (his brass monument was melted down during the Revolution) and his first wife, Ermentrude of Orléans (823–869)
      Carloman II (866–884)
      Robert II of France (972–1031) and his third wife, Constance of Arles (986–1032)
      Henry I of France (1008–1060)
      Louis VI of France (1081–1137)
      Louis VII of France (1120–1180) and his second wife, Constance of Castile (1140–1160)
      Philip II of France (1165–1223)
      St. Louis IX of France (1214–1270)
      Charles I of Naples (1227–1285), an effigy covers his heart burial
      Philip III of France (1245–1285) and his first wife, Isabella of Aragon, Queen of France (1248–1271)
      Philip IV of France (1268–1314)
      Leo V, King of Armenia (1342–1393)
      Charles VII, King of France (1403–1461)
      Charles VIII, King of France (1470–1498)
      Louis XII of France (1462–1515)
      Francis I of France (1494–1547)
      Henry II (1519–1559) and Catherine de’ Medici (1519–1589)
      Francis II (1544–1560)
      Charles IX (1550–1574) (no monument)
      Henry III (1551–1589), also King of Poland (heart burial monument)
      Henry IV (1553–1610)
      Louis XIII (1601–1643)
      Louis XIV (1638–1715)
      Louis XV (1710–1774),
      Louis XVI (1754–1793) and Marie Antoinette (1755–1793)
      Louis XVII (1785–1795) (only his heart; his body was dumped into a mass grave)
      Louis XVIII (1755–1824)

      Other royalty and nobility
      Blanche of France (daughter of Philip IV)
      Nicolas Henri, Duke of Orléans (1607–1611), son of Henry IV
      Gaston, Duke of Orléans (1608–1660), son of Henry IV
      Marie de Bourbon, Duchess of Montpensier (1605–1627), wife of Gaston
      Marguerite of Lorraine (1615–1672), Duchess of Orléans and second wife of Gaston
      Anne Marie Louise d’Orléans (1627–1693), la Grande Mademoiselle
      Marguerite Louise d’Orléans (1645–1721), Grand Duchess of Tuscany
      Jean Gaston d’Orléans (1650–1652), Duke of Valois
      Marie Anne d’Orléans (1652–1656), Mademoiselle de Chartres
      Henrietta Maria of France (1609–1669), wife of Charles I of Scotland and England
      Philippe I, Duke of Orléans (1640–1701), brother of Louis XIV
      Princess Henrietta of England (1644–1670), first wife of Philippe
      Elisabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate (1652–1722), second wife of Philippe
      Maria Theresa of Spain (1638–1683), consort of Louis XIV
      Louis of France (1661–1711), le Grand Dauphin
      Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria (1660–1690), Dauphin of France, wife of Louis
      Princess Anne Élisabeth of France (1662), daughter of Louis XIV
      Princess Marie Anne of France (1664), daughter of Louis XIV
      Marie Thérèse of France (1667–1672), daughter of Louis XIV
      Philippe Charles, Duke of Anjou (1668–1671), Duke of Anjou, son of Louis XIV
      Louis François of France (1672), Duke of Anjou, son of Louis XIV
      Philippe II, Duke of Orléans (1674–1723), Regent of France
      Louis of France (1682–1712), Duke of Burgundy
      Marie Adélaïde of Savoy (1685–1712), Duchess of Burgundy
      Louis of France (1704–1705), Duke of Brittany
      Louis of France (1707–1712), Duke of Brittany
      Charles of France (1686–1714), Duke of Berry
      Marie Louise Élisabeth d’Orléans (1695–1719), Duchess of Berry
      Na (not baptized) d’Alençon (1711)
      Charles d’Alençon(1713) Duke of Alençon
      Marie Louise Élisabeth d’Alençon (1714)
      Marie Leszczyńska (1703–1768), consort of Louis XV
      Louise Élisabeth of France (1727–1759), Duchess of Parma
      Henriette of France (1727–1752), daughter of Louis XV and twin of the above
      Louise of France (1728–1733), daughter of Louis XV
      Louis of France (1729–1765), Dauphin of France
      Infanta Maria Teresa Rafaela of Spain (1726–1746), first wife of above
      Maria Josepha of Saxony (1731–1767), second wife of Louis
      Philippe of France (1730–1733), Duke of Anjou
      Princess Marie Adélaïde of France (1732–1800), daughter of Louis XV
      Princess Victoire of France (1733–1799), daughter of Louis XV
      Princess Sophie of France (1734–1782), daughter of Louis XV
      Princess Louise of France (1737–1787), daughter of Louis XV,
      Louis Joseph, Dauphin of France (1781–1789), first son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette
      Princess Sophie Hélène Béatrice of France (1786–1787), second daughter of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette
      Henri de La Tour d’Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne (1611–1675), Maréchal General de France.
      Anne of Brittany, Duchess of Brittany (1477–1514), wife of Charles VIII and Louis XII.

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      1. I am so glad Hubby and I were able to visit Saint Denis and see the royal crypts in 2015. That area is changing rapidly and I no longer would feel safe there.

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    1. BARF! The Tweets following were down right hateful!

      I am so glad to know the left sees a drug addict, thief and woman abuser as ‘Their Hero’

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              1. Covid 19 will do that to you.

                I had just gone to the barber when the covidiocy began. I finally went again about a week and a half ago. Yeah, I looked scruffy!!

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  17. H/T CITIZEN817

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          1. Schroedinger’s Dumpster, indeed.

            After World War II a bunch of captured German scientists were kept in seclusion somewhere in England. Supposedly, someone peeked over the wall and saw Werner Heisenberg exercising in the nude. Or maybe he didn’t.

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            1. Pegged it again, but not a bridge too far… When in large groups, in some keys, it needs the “Capo di tutti Capo(s)” to keep them all together (and in tune)… They get really keyed-up sometimes… really plucky lot, they are…

              (yep, just stringing them along…)….

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    1. This secret room in Mount Rushmore is having a moment

      Abraham Lincoln holds the history of our country’s past.

      Literally.

      Tucked inside Lincoln’s frontal lobe in Mount Rushmore in Keystone, South Dakota is a secret, inaccessible-to-the-public chamber.

      The vault was designed by the monument’s sculptor, Gutzon Borglum, who envisioned it as a room dedicated to the history of the United States.

      https://nypost.com/2017/02/08/this-secret-room-in-mount-rushmore-is-having-a-moment/

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  18. Happy Happy independence Day, all my q treepers. Watched (well, not really) Mt. Rushmore celebration on Rs network, enjoyed a lot. Pres. Trump speech incredible.

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    1. Many people were responding to his image (blowhard buffoon who’s just pandering to get power and attention), rather than to the actual man.

      There are two totally different errors with respect to Trump…one is believing the bad press and therefore THINKING he’s not for you when he really would be if only you knew it. That’s an error of ignorance, one I can sympathize with since I made it. Then the other is knowing full well what the man is about and opposing him anyway. That’s a totally different error and says something about the character of the person making it.

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      1. President Trump is winning people with his platform, policies and actions – and they are seeing a different side – the compassionate, bold, patriotic, endearing side of his personality!

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        1. Exactly.

          I wasn’t exactly a Never Trumper in 2016, (I was Anybody but Hillary), but i was appalled to see the buffoon walking to the nomination by winning primaries with 15 percent of the vote. I was torqued at the horde of “serious” Republicans who were dividing the non-buffoon vote. If some of these people would just drop out, we could stop that clown!

          I was worried about two things–what jackwagon stupid shit would this guy do in office? And “how can a clown like this possibly beat Hitlary, who MUST be defeated?” (I could see he had a following, obviously–I could not see that following delivering a majority of votes anywhere.)

          I actually told people this would be an election between Oh Shit! (meaning Trump) and Hell No! (meaning..well, I don’t want to type that name again) and most of them agreed with me. They’d have to vote for Trump, but they wouldn’t be happy about it.

          I was pretty much thinking like this clear through September. I then saw The Video and decided I was no longer worried about what he’d do once in office; but I still worried that he’d be unable to win (many of his tweets looked like faceplants to me) largely because I *knew* how many people perceived him, having recently perceived him that way myself.

          But he did pull it out by the skin of his teeth. I went home from the election party feeling not so much triumphant as relieved. It took me a couple of days to truly process that You Know Who wan’t going to be president after all. It was like having a burning tire around my neck, and then unexpectedly, someone puts the fire out.

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          1. On top of the so-called Lincoln Project with George Conway and his group of weirdos, the Bushes have gotten together with a cabal of a dozen or so RINO globalists to oppose PDJT!!

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      2. Since I quit watching TV and generally don’t listen to radio, I was only vaguely aware of who Donald Trump was. So Like Carlos, I researched him and really liked what I read and heard. I started out for Rand Paul until he defended China and TTP and then it was TRUMP ALL THE WAY!

        I like Dr Carson and he is great where he is BUT he is really anti-second Amendment so that was a killer.

        The rest of that crowd in 2016 were much worse and fit the ‘not interested’ category.

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        1. I had heard some favorable things about Ted Cruz, but he’s (apparently) not constitutionally qualified. I remember being pissed as hell at Kasich for continuing to be a spoiler until the last second.

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      3. Once again, lazy overpaid urinalists are reponsible for the ignorance and then the “orange man bad” narrative. DJT’s record was present and available via the media’s obsession with him while he was a NYC tycoon. Nobody had more “ink” than DJT. If the urinalists cared to do so, they could have written factual articles about DJT. His generosity, for example, was well-known and even legendary. His personal jet was routinely given “Good Samaritan” missions for people he never met but who were desperate.

        A few decent journalists can be counted on both hands without using all fingers. The rest of them should be fed to wild boars in Texas.

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  19. Pastor Marty SMACKS not only FauXi but VP PENCE a good one!

    @ 7:00 min
    “REMEMBER FAUXI was MIKE PENCE’S PICK!…
    Mike Pence the enemy from within…
    What we see on television… I see that phony pious, that trying to be humble…
    HE is the one that created this task force,
    HE is the one who put this country in the shape it is in….”

    MAJOR OUCH! from Pastor Marty. (I really like him.)

    Also
    “No One Has Died from the Coronavirus”
    Important revelations shared by Dr Stoian Alexov, President of the Bulgarian Pathology Association

    And now Bush top admin officials are campaigning for BIDDEN…

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