Dear KAG: 20200609 Open Thread

Given what we now know, that the “something happened” on May 30 & 31 was most likely the wholesale takeout of ANTIFA terrorists on the ground, this seems appropriate.

And now for the nitty gritty of the Q Tree 5 minute, stand up, Tuesday morning meeting version of the Daily Thread.

Ahem.

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Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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I couldn’t decide on the Scripture passage between these two. Both seem appropriate right now.

1 KGS 17:7-16

The brook near where Elijah was hiding ran dry,
because no rain had fallen in the land.
So the LORD said to Elijah:
“Move on to Zarephath of Sidon and stay there.
I have designated a widow there to provide for you.”
He left and went to Zarephath.
As he arrived at the entrance of the city,
a widow was gathering sticks there; he called out to her,
“Please bring me a small cupful of water to drink.”
She left to get it, and he called out after her,
“Please bring along a bit of bread.”
She answered, “As the LORD, your God, lives,
I have nothing baked;
there is only a handful of flour in my jar
and a little oil in my jug.
Just now I was collecting a couple of sticks,
to go in and prepare something for myself and my son;
when we have eaten it, we shall die.”
Elijah said to her, “Do not be afraid.
Go and do as you propose.
But first make me a little cake and bring it to me.
Then you can prepare something for yourself and your son.
For the LORD, the God of Israel, says,
‘The jar of flour shall not go empty,
nor the jug of oil run dry,
until the day when the LORD sends rain upon the earth.’”
She left and did as Elijah had said.
She was able to eat for a year, and Elijah and her son as well;
the jar of flour did not go empty,
nor the jug of oil run dry,
as the LORD had foretold through Elijah.


MT 5:13-16

Jesus said to his disciples:
“You are the salt of the earth.
But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned?
It is no longer good for anything
but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
You are the light of the world.
A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket;
it is set on a lampstand,
where it gives light to all in the house.
Just so, your light must shine before others,
that they may see your good deeds
and glorify your heavenly Father.”

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome. Via con Dios.

551 thoughts on “Dear KAG: 20200609 Open Thread

    1. Based on this, I think we’ve been running into actual ANTIFA on Twitter. They’re basically like #WuMao accounts, with only a few follows and followers – highly disposable – but they’re clearly American and European natives. They REALLY make a point of DENYING any ANTIFA organization – it’s a big deal with them. Also, they were really obsessed and angry about that guy in Buffalo being outed as an activist and operative.

      In other words, ANTIFA are basically acting like IC contractors and Brock trolls.

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            1. Ask and ye shall receive – he’s aware of it.

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    2. I know im young but i explicitly remember as a kid learning about the bomb making hippies using book stores for this exact thing. And the minute I read that keih Ellison twet showing where he bught his antifa book i said thats an hq for them. They train there.
      Did you guys know that the book shop was completely untouched during the rioting ???

      https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/moon-palace-books-with-abolish-the-police-sign-is-spared-in-protests

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        1. Eat their own, turn on their own, the lofty leftists overtaken by the monster they create or at least nurture and grow.

          The Snake comes to mind

          Grateful that the left moved hard to radicalize young white leftists who were willing to be radicalized so that this situation is not a race war….many whites on the side of lawlessness. And many blacks and other POC are active in the GOP and supporting MAGA. Timing is favorable to avoid the perception of a “race war”

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  1. A goodnight thought to leave with you, something I thought we, if an opportunity presents itself, might be able to share with people who are extremely concerned with racism.

    The end of individual racism occurs with the true acceptance of the Lordship of Jesus Christ. In Him, we are concerned with the inward beauty of our own hearts and the extension of the Love of Christ to others.

    We become Brothers and Sisters in Christ with other believers. The Bible says in 1 John 4:20 (NIV)

    Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.

    This love is a pure, sweet, beautiful thing that transforms lives and establishes bonds of love that transverse race, class, and outward manifestations of physical beauty or disfigurement.

    When He is truly our priority, race ceases to be an issue.

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      1. Preach it, anyway.

        St Paul referred to himself as ‘the least of all’ in his letters. He said that, despite that, he was saved.

        Look at the great job he did.

        Realising that we are ‘a mess’ shows spiritual maturity.

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    1. I get what you’re trying to say. But at this point we all need the uplifting that comes with surrounding ourselves with like-minded people. Like minded MAGA people. I don’t wish black people ill, I don’t wish ANYONE ill. But I have circled my mental wagons and will forever keep them at the greatest possible distance.

      I don’t trust, will never trust, and apart from the most casual of interactions I simply don’t want it around me. I am powerless to change their collective thinking, and I have no interest in attempting to.

      There comes a point where self-preservation must kick in, so we can focus on preserving this nation. If this is what cold anger is, I most certainly have it.

      Does anyone else here remember that scene with the Howard University law students – law students, not some crowd on the corner in the projects – cheering and celebrating when OJ got off? I do.

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        1. Rant hell. It was common sense.

          We didn’t try to preach to the Nazis. We put them down like the rabid dogs they were, and lost tens of thousands of damn fine men doing it. The good Lord knows the necessity of it at times. That’s why the Bible says “Thou shalt not MURDER”. It does NOT say “Thou shalt not kill”.

          BIG but easily obfuscated difference there, often misquoted and misunderstood.

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      1. Crossing cultural and/or racial boundaries is rough for a lot of people, and I totally get that, which is why I think it’s very wrong to force that on people. “Diversity” is not for everybody.

        For me, race and culture are non-problematic, but POLITICAL boundaries – that’s tougher. There are times I simply don’t want to be around leftists in any way. Sometimes I’m fine – drop me in the middle of 1000 marching libtards – but other times, no way, I can’t take ’em at all.

        There is, as you say, no TRUST there. I know the extreme left are dangerous, and the lesser left are only less dangerous.

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          1. I cannot (nor would I!!) repost a photo a friends sent me yesterday…a white, tattooed woman literally naked, defecating on top of an overturned police car in front of a group on equally bizarre-looking people (all taking photos with iPhones, of course.)
            And yes, it’s the women…from the crazy black mayors and state AG who are power-hungry and stupid, to the white media reporters and anchors who are hostile, rude and without any sign of respect for the anyone in the White House. SMH….

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        1. there was an article at American Thinker yesterday I believe (I will find and link it below) written about a writer for the NY Times who refuses to live in America–for the sake of her black son’s life. she lived in Poland, Cairo, and Wuhan but never Africa.
          FTA
          My theory is that she doesn’t go to black Africa because she doesn’t feel safe around black people, and she doesn’t want to be confused for them. He doesn’t, either. It’s what they call a hidden bias. People with the sort of mindset I suspect here know that a fraction of their 13% of Americans is responsible for 50% of the crime, and they’re profiling. The fact is, they can’t say it. Once they admit it, the whole anti-racism scam is up. It means white parents, whose children, according to the FBI, are killed twice as often by black people than the other way around, have more of an excuse to move their kids to Poland. It means they have a reason to stop busing black kids to white schools, and going soft on crime, and beating their chests, and being hard on police. But Bashir says she’s scared of us — and because she’s afraid, people are rioting. I remind you that racism means being afraid of people for things they don’t do.
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          I ask you again — what does Imani Bashir want? What they all want and can’t say: to live somewhere her son can’t theoretically be mistaken for or hurt by a black criminal. It’s a legitimate want. We want it for all good black people, too. But Black Lives Matter isn’t finding ways to stop the criminals. It’s instead finding ways, mostly, to punish the innocent. Bashir profiles and runs and barricades herself, and she’s a victim of racism. I just wish that she, and the Black Lives Matter movement, and The New York Times, would respect us when we do it, too. They won’t.

          https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/what_do_they_really_want.html

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        2. True diversity is something you almost have to grow up with. I did. As my sister puts it, our block in the 70s was a sociologist’s wet dream. We had EVERY race, and multiple cultures all in one spot. (Well, maybe not Islam, but all the rest for sure, including Buddists.) We respected the boundries, and accepted the differences.

          It was a different time. At the same time, none of it was forced.

          That’s the difference.

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          1. Correct! It was Brooklyn, Queens and Freehold High School for me. (Yes, that Freehold High School – you can picture the local dances right?) Everyone had all kinds of friends. We were even closed for the Jewish holy days. Diversity used to be something that never crossed your mind.

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      2. When i was a kid in l.a. my friends were the rainbow but my black friends and I got on best. A good friend lived in Compton and we would play without fear. I still have a pic of us with our arms around each other at Disneyland. Technically I was born in the hood and have more street cred than most poseurs now. My point is, you cannot tell a persons character by their skin but some situational awareness is key to at the very least polite conversation.

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        1. It has nothing to do with character. I left a detailed explanation below. And I’m from Brooklyn and rode city buses to school in Queens in the 7th grade. I rode my bike in Jamaica Estates, where POTUS grew up. Things were different then.

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      3. I think a lot of it is situational. If you bumped into a black family in line for a MAGA rally, you’d both be all, “where are you from? How’s MAGA doing for you? It looks like we both got here early enough to get in!”

        I had the weird experience of going to a mall in Atlanta (full story told elsewhere). Being that I don’t know the area, and know there are some “rough” areas, I figured a mall with a Macy’s would be reasonably upscale and safe. When I got inside and started trekking to the Macy’s, it was a little eerie to be one of the three white people I saw inside the entire mall…..but I didn’t feel unsafe or any need to “circle the wagons”.

        OTOH, there are large parts of greater LA or Oakland where I feel distinctly unsafe and avoid, even before any evaluation of skin tones takes place.

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        1. I taught for 25 years in the same square mile of a very troubled district. 22 of the 25 were in a school of about 500+ students where there were probably 5 white kids, give or take. And 10% hispanic. I never felt unsafe there with regard to kids / family members. The staff was about 50% AA. But the district administration itself was a microcosm of a dem-run city. Unqualified in high places/school board through nepotism, some petty theft, superintendent using school property and staff for personal functions – to the point where she had to be removed. You get the picture.

          My (about 50% AA) colleagues were great overall, as were the kids – apart from the ones that you knew were destined for a bad fate. As I was a music teacher I saw everyone in the building, some several times a week in ensembles, year after year. We knew by 3rd grade who was on the wrong trajectory. I have lost track of how many former students are in prison for robbery, stabbing, shooting/murder – or dead in the street themselves. No white people involved in any capacity.

          With regard to my black colleagues, or any work friends for that matter, it was all just regular, superficial conversation. But if pushed on the subject, I always got the sense that they would find a way to back OJ. (I’m using “back OJ” to cover excuse making in general.) But even the socially liberal white/hispanic colleagues knew that there’s no excuse for murderous brutality. And that is not a way to even the score. It’s amazing how even sharp, educated blacks who live a normal life in a great neighborhood completely lose the ability to think straight. Candace Owens nailed it the other day. What other culture celebrates the worst amongst them?

          So when I say I don’t trust, and I simply don’t want it around me — it isn’t anything “active” on my part. It’s like untying a rowboat and allowing it to float on down the river. I’m simply finished with their whole deal.

          That being said I’d love to go to a Diamond & Silk event. 😏

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      4. Thank you Ginger for putting my exact thoughts into words.i do not want this evil anywhere near me.what is happening is pure evil. I’ve had cold anger for years at what the democrats have done. I am a Christian and want to always do what is pleasing to the Lord. This madness can only be stopped by cold anger. The LORD isn’t pleased at these God haters any more then we are. The Fathers plans will prevail and I am thankful for that.and again thank you for saying what many of us here and elsewhere have been thinking.

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    2. “When He is truly our priority, race ceases to be an issue.”
      This is true. I have not gotten the impression that loving others of different races is an issue with people here. And from my observation, race is not the real issue with those pulling the strings on the current troubles in this country. That is not to say that people have not been mistreated and hurt — they have been — but there are evil forces behind the rioting, and love won’t conquer that. Similarly, loving the adherents of Islam who believe in jihad and killing “infidels” won’t stop their evil purposes. We can wish they would turn from their ways, we can wish they would know the true God, we can have pure hearts toward them; yet they will kill us just the same.

      So while we are commanded to love one another and purify our own hearts, we have the difficult task of doing that while fighting real, palpable evil. Countering it must be done to protect not only ourselves, but our families and our country. And fighting evil is not the same as hate. Sometimes love must be tough. A wise person once told me that sometimes allowing people to face the consequences of their own actions is the loving thing to do.

      Your sentiments are pure and correct. God is love. And if everyone would make Him their priority, the world would be completely different. We can and should manifest that love to the best of our ability. We are also commanded to fight evil.

      Ephesians 6:11-12
      11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
      12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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      1. “When He is truly our priority, race ceases to be an issue.”
        This is true.”

        ______________

        Well that depends, doesn’t it?

        Suppose God is your priority, and you’re a white guy. Race isn’t an issue for you.

        Then you go out to dinner with your family, and find yourself confronted by a bunch of BLM/panti-fa types.

        God isn’t THEIR priority.

        And race *is* a very big issue for *them*.

        And that means it is now a very big issue for *you* too, whether you want it to be or not. And that is the problem. White people don’t get to decide unilaterally that race isn’t an issue, because the people who hate white people don’t care what white people think about it, and no matter what you think about it (or do), they will hate you for it.

        BLM / panti-fa doesn’t care about your relationship with God.

        They just hate you because you’re white, and if you are confronted by a few (or more) of them, there’s a good chance they will murder you and your whole family because of it.

        Because for them, race never ceased to be an issue.

        You are not looking to do any harm to anyone.

        But they are a very real threat to you.

        Which means race can never cease to be an issue for you either, whenever you are around them.

        If that is not true, where is the error in reasoning?

        And if it is true, then why would anyone willfully put themselves in a situation where there is a legitimate threat of being assaulted or killed because their skin is white?

        IIRC, in her recent video Candace Owens said 6% of the population (black males) are responsible for nearly 50% of all violent crimes (think about the insanity of that, for just a second).

        If the statistics for violence (not to mention the very public hateful and violent rhetoric) were reversed, would any black person take the chance of being around white people?

        Or would they say you’re just trying to get them killed for even suggesting it?

        This is a deadly game, the kind of game where political correctness gets people murdered.

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    3. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

      . . . and that would include any color or ethnicity that exists.

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      1. Certainly, so long as they are in Christ Jesus.

        The people engaging in acts of unprovoked violence and hatred against white people are obviously not in Christ Jesus.

        So keep your guard up.

        Or maybe try that new ‘social distancing’ idea and follow it to its logical end.

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    1. Pilots get all the glory.

      I should spend some time posting about the various deck departments (refuelers, ordinance, maintenance, etc) that are the people who do the real work that leads to videos like this one. Without them, there is no takeoff.

      FACT: the tip of the spear always gets the attention, but it’s the shaft of the spear that is just as important. Without the logistics people, the tip is as useless as tits on a boar hog.

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      1. Literally true in many fields….think of all the advance people for a political event, a parade,…the crew for a theater production. We go to the live stream Met Opera performances and equally as fascinating as the actual stage production is the incredible change of scenery shown between Acts.
        I worked with the national Miss America Pageant for many years and each year that entire live TV production had to be created in an empty auditorium, known for ice hockey, with only the stage as a permanent fixture. It was my favorite part of the 2 weeks…watching that $6million set being built for that one live event.
        The recent space launch another perfect example.
        But, the “tips” are the symbolic results of an entire team effort…and it’s a wise person that understands that and continues to remember it…not always achieved. The downfall of many is when they start to believe their own PR.
        A little personal aside…The best Miss America I ever worked with did not fit the stereotype…she didn’t want to be a Broadway Star or a news personality….she was a hospice nurse. Her year of touring was very different and made a effort to focus on more serious issues. She actually changed the direction of the Pageant for future years.
        I watched her touring hospitals and she was very much aware of the regular staff that peeked around the corner of a doorway, hoping to get a brief glimpse. I saw her on many occasions make a beeline to that janitor or nurse aide and stopped to recognized them. She knew that while the CEO and Board members arranged for her to be there and got the glory…it was the support staff that were the backbone of the department programs.
        She had a firm understanding her fame was fleeting and she would return to a normal life within a year and once again become one of those logistic people that worked to help terminal cancer patients and their loved ones behind the scenes.

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  2. .
    Night of the Generals

    The unelected parts of the government, including the military, are revolting against the electoral control by the people enshrined in the Constitution.

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/07/night-of-the-generals/

    QUOTE:

    Prestigious ex-generals joining this struggle and directing military power away from presidential control is entirely new and extremely dangerous.

    Until recently, retired generals either went on to live in obscurity or joined the board of a defense contractor. They usually continued the nonpartisanship that marked their career in public service. Now they are combining with aggrieved ex-officials, civil servants, and mutinous active-duty officers.

    They have decided to ally with people whose lives, goals, and vision of America is not only contrary to the Constitution but contrary to everything the American military stands for, not least order and discipline.

    generals, like the soldiers they command, are required to follow orders from the elected commander in chief. No one elected these generals or gave them a greater voice than the most humble citizen in our national affairs. They transform themselves from honorable servants to dangerous mutineers when they encourage those in uniform to disobey the commander in chief.

    A more important tradition, one actually enshrined in the Constitution, is civilian control of the military. The people are sovereign, they elect a president, and the president is the commander in chief of that military. The military is an instrument in his hands.

    If the military joins the left-wing resistance, it would succeed in commandeering the most powerful instrument of the state.

    Anyone who really cares about the Constitution and the rule of law should be alarmed. The unelected parts of the government, including the military, are revolting against the electoral control by the people enshrined in the Constitution.

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    And now…..a word against the fear….

    We have it all.
    There will be no deals.
    Nothing can stop what is coming.
    Nothing.
    These people are stupid.
    Q

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    1. “Prestigious ex-generals joining this struggle and directing military power away from presidential control is entirely new and extremely dangerous.”

      FGC,

      We already got an ugly foretaste of this from the Q drops, especially #2729.

      *https://qmap.pub/read/2729

      “Remember the cover story for this?
      Helicopter?
      Coincidence re: AF1 re: CA route NK?
      Bigger than 25th amendment attempt to remove.
      Depth of this is very serious.
      Q”

      Some general officers and perhaps flag officers, including likely retired ones, will have to be executed for mutiny, treason, or sedition before we will be able to say that we are past this safely.

      I don’t know how far it goes, though. The banksters, the Communists, and their minions are masters of illusion and bluff.

      The total number of military personnel involved in this may not be very large.

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      1. True.

        What this article is addressing are the recent statements by Mattis, Powell, and some others.

        I used to think Mattis was the shit. Turns out I was right, but totally wrong in context.

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  3. By now most everyone has seen the 3 minute twit clip of the LAPD confrontation with the LA city council member.
    But here is the link to the full video of multiple officers confronting her on the public statement vs what she was doing in private. She’s being a typical politician and they called her on the pandering.
    In the video the police say youve put all the civilians on furlough, use 40% of the lapd budget FOR THE VERMIN HOMELESS , and have private security for the council members not just the mayor, but now blm comes along and ou can magically give them money ?
    Please watch the whole video. Most civilians dont get to see these and especially watch the LT toward the end.
    Here is the article where this specific council member gets caught havibg had her own lapd security from since April 3 at a cost of around $100,000 an keeping the officers from protecting the citizens at large.
    If most of the fraud, waste, and theft was known and rooted out the city would be beautiful again.

    https://m.facebook.com/shawnalicious/videos/10217325366745745/

    Article also has facebook link:

    https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2020/06/08/lapd-members-slam-city-council-over-private-security-details-amid-budget-cut

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  4. Ok I must be really slow. What reference is there to thigs happnin on May 30th roughly? Q posts sounded like it really was this past Saturday. I honestly thought we’d find out publicly, like a slap in the face of the people who are still asleep to wake up.

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    1. Well, there’s quite a few Carlos threadreader threads.

      I’m inclined to thing it has been a big push in the last two days of May, with spot cleaning afterward.

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      1. I guess i have to wonder how they could have arrested so many but none of their friends, family, coworkers, etc have come forward and said anything? No tweets, no Instagram videos, nothing? Plus thats just a fraction of them where the vatican, the American cabal, Hollywood, etc are still going.
        I hope we get some confirmation, even if its not the details on all. I imagine they are going at the entire network.

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        1. There is a technology that was developed for Saddam Hussein and the Baath in Iraq, that maps social networks and evaluates effectiveness. More technology, run by Palantir, can seize every electronic communication of an individual and organize it by contactee to build a panopticon. They probably only had to nab about 40-50 people to kneecap Antifa in the US. And data found on their devices would be available for further roll-up.

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  5. ######################

    Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

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    I apologie for bring such shock and surprise to the Q tree. I know you are all as stunned as I am.

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    Infuriating: We may have shut down the country for nothing

    QUOTE:

    “ if this conclusion is indeed fact, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong for relying on the word of experts who clearly had no idea what they were talking about.

    And it’s the experts who should be held accountable. Because, if true, this wasn’t just a mild mistake. It was a grievous error that cost this country hundreds of thousands of jobs and kept people from the things they need most: family, church, and community. We’ll be wrestling with the consequences of this shutdown for a long time to come, and now we must do so knowing that it might have been for nothing.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/if-asymptomatic-carriers-dont-spead-coronavirus-we-just-shut-down-the-country-for-nothing

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    1. But you know they are still making kids social distance, wear masks, no parties, no art, no books, and worse, plus your teacher or friends cannot give you a hug or high five or shake your hand when/if school begins in fall.

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      1. I still can’t hug my darling beloved niece. She just had the 2nd of 3 surgeries to get rid of recently discovered aggressive breast cancer. Ya know, covid and all.🤬

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    2. We’re still in lockdown in the UK, with only tiny reopenings. Boris calls them ‘baby steps’.

      Agree that we did this for nothing.

      The fallout will be heavy on both sides of the Atlantic.

      I miss the coronavirus threads, because I would like to know, via comments, where the individual states are on lockdown.

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  6. Gotta go to the COMMENTS on this one for the truth:

    “The headline implies teargas as the cause of death, but the article says that the hospital thinks it was a drug overdose. I wonder why DM didn’t want to put that in the headline? Journalisming at its finest.”

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    1. Waiting for this to be coded as a COVID-19 death . . . /s

      Stupid media taking money to support someone else’s talking points. Subversive advocacy journalism.

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    1. Threatening assault of a peace officer with bodily harm, perhaps even murder….and filming the proof for the prosecution?

      Dude has the IQ of a pooper scooper.

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  7. CNN gets wrecked!

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          1. Would’ve been a hoot if they’d dropped her at that point, for “disrespecting dem”…..

            Should’ve just poured some water on her and watch her sublimate…

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    1. Top four responses.

      Looks like we can pray in schools now.

      Satanic sacrificial ceremony completed

      Someone photoshopped a vodka bottle out of her hand…

      They kill unborn babies too.

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  8. Well, Well, Well!
    The more you get to know about Obunglehole:

    Obama: Democrat Senator Byrd was a ‘Senate icon’ and ‘my friend’. Obama gave eulogy at Byrd’s funeral. Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops.

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    1. So a cyclops is a monster like a giant man, but with just one eye.

      Is this title’s referring to one eye symbolism that connects Ku Klux Klanism to Satanism?

      Just wondering. I believe it was related to Freemasonry.

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      1. All those organizations are tied together at the bottom (hell) as it were.

        http://www.cuttingedge.org has a lot of information about that. He’s been following that for a long, LONG time. He also was one of the first, if not the first, to mention and document the uniparty… Lots of info about the Klintoons, too – both are Satanic Black Magick Illuminised Witches – and she outranks him! No wonder people were calling them “Billary”…

        The articles about the “Clinton Christmas Tree” are also well worth reading…

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  9. Seattle journalist tweets video of a shooting at a protest. The last frame of the video is a book that says “Gun Crazy.” Anons think this is deliberate subliminal messaging.

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    1. Wrong wrong wrong.
      He was armed because of the unrest. The protester reached into his car and tried to pull him out. The car driver surrendered peacefully. It was a righteous self defence. And they swarmed his car

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    2. GWP ran this story with this vid and two others. It incited a great fury with those watching. Too me it seemed like a false flag op designed to make everyone on both sides more angry. My initial comment didn’t get favorable review at the time. ” I always drive into crowds, shoot someone, don’t try to back up, abandon my car, wear a huge symbol on my back, and then walk into a huge crowd. Please.” but as I looked up and down the comments I see a few others were seeing through this as well.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/protester-seattle-shot-man-driving-car-george-floyd-protest-video/

      This vid was one of several from the story but it is now gone from the GWP story, but I found it from the tweet you showed. This will be the lower one. if it comes in tandem.

      Mind you this comes out at the same night GWP ran this story. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/actor-tom-arnold-calls-armed-insurrection-trump-supporters/

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        1. @Byronvgarrett I can’t reconcile these two theories because one precludes the other. Either the event was orchestrated or it was not.

          @Byronvgarrett Also, as mentioned in my pinned tweet, I am too upset by this operation to write it up. I am triggered emotionally by what I saw in that video. And frankly the connections here to terrorists and organized criminals are daunting….

          “… I can’t reconcile these two theories …”

          Why not?

          Let’s go down that rabbit hole.

          “The name of the man they are using who died? He died here in Corpus Christi three years ago He did play for Texas A&I and he did live on the streets here and he did die here. However He didn’t die in Minnesota.”

          Timothy Japhet is a real lawyer

          Corpus Christi sits on the Gulf of Mexico

          The Port of Corpus Christi is the third-largest port in the United States in total tonnage….

          The Port of Corpus Christi is asking President Donald Trump not to impose sanctions against Venezuela, which holds the purse strings to one of its largest tenants.

          Port Commission Chairman Charles Zahn warned Trump in a letter that a full or partial ban on crude oil imports from Venezuela would have disastrous effects on American petroleum refiners and consumers…

          That would include refineries at the Port of Corpus Christi, the nation’s fourth largest based on tonnage. Citgo, an affiliate of Venezuela’s state-run Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), has operated at the port for decades…
          *https://www.caller.com/story/news/local/2017/07/14/port-corpus-christi-trump-rethink-sanctions-against-venezuela/480574001/

          APRIL 17, 2017

          Within the span of a year, Venezuela illegally issued at least 10,000 passports and other documents to citizens of Syria, Iran and other Middle Eastern countries in a scheme spearheaded by current Vice President Tareck El Aissami, according to a former high-ranking immigration official.

          Colonel Vladimir Medrano Rengifo, former director of Venezuela’s Office of Identification and Migration, said that during his 17 months in the post, most passports and visas were granted in the Venezuelan Consulate in Damascus, Syria’s capital.

          “Today we don’t know where these people are, nor what they are doing,” said Medrano….
          https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article145081049.html

          Was George Floyd’s family paid off? The pay-off was certainly BIG!

          6./4/2020 George Floyd Update: GoFundMe Pages Raise Nearly $15 Million To Support Floyd’s Family

          …..

          The whole George Floyd story makes ZERO SENSE.

          As I said earlier, I ‘passed’ a counterfeit $20 twice. Once at a local gas station and once at my bank. In both cases they informed me it was counterfeit, confiscated the bill, asked if I remembered where I had received it (local Flea Market) and that was it. NO CALLING THE COPS!

          Here is the protocol:

          The United States Secret Service recommends if you receive a counterfeit:

          Do not return it to the passer.
          Delay the passer if possible.
          Observe the passer’s description, as well as that of any companions, and the license plate numbers of any vehicles used.
          Contact your local police department or United States Secret Service field office. These numbers can be found on the inside front page of your local telephone directory.
          Write your initials and the date in the white border areas of the suspect note.
          Limit the handling of the note. Carefully place it in a protective covering, such as an envelope.
          Surrender the note or coin only to a properly identified police officer or a U.S. Secret Service special agent.
          If you’ve received a fraudulent note please submit a Counterfeit Note Report and learn to Know Your Money!

          *https://www.mycreditunion.gov/financial-resources/counterfeit-money

          If things were on the up and up, the bill should have been confiscated. Floyd could easily say he got it as a tip at the bar or as pay and that would have been the end of the tale.

          INSTEAD:

          Floyd is dead (?)
          The bar is burnt to the ground.
          The police station with evidence is burnt to the ground.

          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          AND LOGIC????

          Start nation wide riots

          AND

          Get rid of two problem employees.
          (Was the cop undercover at the bar???)

          BONUS

          Destroy all evidence of a crime.

          (Will that cop now end up dead like Epstein?)

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      1. Undercover Investigation – Minneapolis Riot Was Preplanned
        https://www.millennialmillie.com/post/undercover-investigation-minneapolis-riot-was-preplanned

        We have sources imbedded within these groups to get to the bottom of where all this leftist radicalization is coming from. We got their plans, manuals, intercepted internal communications, and have recordings of their zoom chats.

        https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8f0c4b_cd11f948c05a4d5fb200af449a6aec5e~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_740,h_416,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/8f0c4b_cd11f948c05a4d5fb200af449a6aec5e~mv2.webp

        What you are about to see is part of a two year undercover investigation into the leftist radicalization imbedded within the climate justice movement that contributed to the riots in Minneapolis, Minnesota. In this first video, we are going to show how the Sunrise Movement played a preemptive role in carrying out the mayhem, taking advantage of George Floyd’s death and using it as a trigger point, to further push their Green New Deal agenda and promoting the abolition of the police.

        We didn’t expect to find organizers radicalizing middle school and high school children teaching them military tactics and preparation for high risk actions. Some of these tactics include escalation provocation techniques, blocking freeway traffic, and how to get arrested bogging-down law enforcement in the name of destroying capitalism to make way for the Green New Deal.

        https://www.wix.com/demone2/black-barby-mp?wix-vod-video-id=undefined&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-jx9p57yh

        What some parents may have though were innocent youth organizations genuinely fostered and ran by children are actually top-down monolithic structures with private intelligence, military contractors, and foreign interests influencing children to carry out their subversive objectives.

        The events that erupted in Minneapolis, Minnesota were not a spontaneous reaction to the murder of George Floyd. These were well planned events anticipating some perfect trigger point to bring about the “new normal” – a world without police, without borders, without industry, without wealth, without private property, without an economy – a world based on communist ideals imbedded within the Green New Deal.

        The Green New Deal is not about climate change, it is about climate justice – a radical new ideology hellbent on destroying western civilization under the false pretense that white supremacy is the leading cause of climate change, social injustice and all problems globally.

        The organizers of these Youth Non-government Organizations, or Youngos, embellish white supremacy as a systemic problem, hyper-focusing on statistically rare instances of racial inequality and injustice, while ignoring great strides of progress the United States has made over the past century towards equal opportunity and criminal justice reform. However, in order to normalize radical policies put forth by the Green New Deal, crises have to be capitalized on to further their agenda while destroying the great accomplishments of civil rights movements of the past.

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      2. Youtube and Twitter REALLY trying to block this

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    1. So…Lara Logan reads Reddit?
      Cool.😁

      Can’t say as I’m surprised, though.
      Lara Logan is an excellent researcher herself, so it makes sense that she would be scouring interwebs and reading the digs being done by the Redditeers and the Anons.

      I’ll bet she reads Q, too.
      🤓😏

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  10. Sometimes I think that nothing can shock me any more, but I’m always wrong. Yikes!

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    1. I still can’t find online proof that they are married. I look every time I see it posted here. Does anyone know of the two publicly stating that they are married? Not in their wikipedias or other news that I can find.

      Also, how do we actually know that they were both at the hospital? Do we have links to proof?

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      1. It can’t breath because all the FAT under the rib cage is compressing the lungs.

        Look at the bright side, It will not live to collect Social Security according to present stats.

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  11. Thanks, DePat…for “The Stars and Stripes Forever” video.
    😀👍

    I have always been in awe of Marching Bands.
    It’s one thing to sit in an orchestra and play ones instrument…that’s difficult and impressive in it’s own way.

    But to march down the street or across a stadium, while playing an instrument — that is just awesome, IMHO.

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  12. The factory that burned down in Minneapolis makes realistic medical mannequins. Anons wonder how many of these mannequins have been used in false flags. I first mentioned the mannequins back in March or April when they kept showing up in news reports about the WuFlu (5:07 in the video).

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    1. I remember your mentioning the mannequins, Sadie.
      Good catch!
      😉👍

      I don’t blame that plant owner for leaving Minneapolis.
      It’s a smart move!

      …….From the article:

      Wyrobek said it’s “too late” to keep his company in Minneapolis, the move will take about 50 jobs with it, the Tribune reported.

      Wyrobek’s company, 7-Sigma Inc., produces mannequins used in medical training programs along with the precision rollers utilized by high-speed printing systems that produce bank statements and social security checks, according to the Tribune.

      ……….End quote.

      There go 50 jobs!

      And that 60 Minutes video has the doctors in it, talking about how overwhelmed they are.

      That is hard to reconcile with all those videos that hospital workers made, showing them dancing and fooling around.
      🙄😕

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        1. Yep…the ChiComs own TikTok.

          I’m sure they’ve been loving all this crap.
          And doing whatever they can to fan the flames.
          😕😠

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            1. I wouldn’t put it past them.

              But then, they probably didn’t have to…
              Could’ve been a case of clueless hospital staffers, thinking it was cool make those videos and send them out to each other.

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    1. I wonder what they were planning to do with those.
      😬😒

      And there are probably more where those came from.

      But these are “peaceful protests”.
      🙄
      Suuure they are.

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  13. This lady was not impressed with the stunt that the Dems did yesterday.

    She is from Africa and explains what those fabrics mean, that the Dems draped around their shoulders.

    .
    Text:

    The ONLY reason why I am reposting this is video is that this awesome woman is giving a teaching lesson to Democrats, who once again, steal something they don’t know about to claim they are woke (ie. civil rights, woman’s suffrage)

    Awesome job! Awesome.

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    1. I was confused initially by the display myself. they “costumed” up and then they IMITATED the stance of the oppressor–the police officer–do they not see that?
      to show solidarity, I might have joined hands or linked arms and had a moment of silence.

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      1. When a leftist brain is compressed with the weight of too many narratives crammed inside the skull, it causes the synapses to fire too often with insufficient stored charge. IOW, a weak spark.

        Thus, logic and reason (being dependent on strong spark at proper intervals) get overrun by too much bullshit info that resembles inkjet printed pages caught in the rain. Ex: Pelosi, Schiff, etc.

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          1. It was just an image that popped up in my mind. Sometimes the image-narratives are funny but a lot of the time they’re just gibberish.

            It’s fun being old, retired, and free to wander the internet. 🙂

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  14. H/T DOGSMAW

    Psalm 5 King James Version (KJV)

    

1 – [[To the chief Musician upon Nehiloth, A Psalm of David.]] Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.
    2 – Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.
    3 – My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.
    4 – For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
    5 – The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
    6 – Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
    7 – But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.
    8 – Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.
    9 – For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.
    10 – Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.
    11 – But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
    12 – For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

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  15. H/T CHERYL

    Breitbart put out this article tonight about an Antifa chick who is claiming they’re just misunderstood.

    Antifa Supporter Claims Members Are Misunderstood ‘Political Refugees’

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/08/antifa-supporter-claims-members-are-misunderstood-political-refugees/

    I was reading the article and, in the comments, one of them said they remember her from an earlier article on Gateway Pundit in 2017 about her going to Turkey with a Muslim because they were in love. She still is as dumb as she looks.

    Antifa Chick Goes to Turkey With Muslim Loverboy, Gets Raped and Beaten

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/antifa-chick-goes-turkey-muslim-loverboy-gets-raped-beaten/

    Antifa’s members are stupid dangerous and, for that reason only, they should all be locked up.

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    1. wrt SELF DEFENCE . . . that isn’t just one quick, clever move. They’ve got a ton of them. Some real nasty ones, too, like slapping the side of your neck and pulling your jugular vein out, or gouging out an eye in a second, or crushing your throat with one quick move . . . and many, many more!

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        1. Could not figure out who that guy was pretending to be – Doesn’t Antifa wear black?

          With all of the masks nowadays – it is like Halloween – or a one big masquerade party – ridiculous!

          When Dave of X22 Report explained what Hitler did with his Brown Shirts – it is no longer funny – they started out being a youth group and ended up being the police!!! This is what Antifa wants to do here – by defunding the police – something or some group must take its place – and they will be thugs!!!

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              1. True – we can chose to be positive or negative – in our thinking – but, the negative weighs us down – zaps our energy – and destroys our spirit – while life is not a ‘bowl of cherries’ – it is our attitude that carries us or defeats us – we can manufacture our own happiness or not – it is our choice – the free will God gave us to decide.

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  16. POTUS tweeted this, and someone picked up on something…

    @Avenger2Toxic
    I think the President is winking at us a little here. The last sentence should chill you to the bone. I think there is a double meaning here.

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    1. the tweet:
      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump
      ·
      21m
      “Democrats & Activists call to Defund Police Departments. They’ve gone so far Left that they eat their young.” @mirandadevine
      @nypost
      @foxandfriends

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      1. Do you think POTUS has a hidden meaning in his choice of words? What he is insinuating would be horrific – I wonder what he knows. Hopefully all will be revealed. Weiner’s laptop?

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        1. dems and their andrenochrome…or whatever the heck it’s called?
          I think he’s doing more than winking…

          funny you mention the laptop…heard many calls (in tweet replies) to NY cops–if you’re getting fired/laid off anyway…how about releasing the details on that laptop!

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      1. They have short femurs, then knees and the lower leg bones, covered by feathers.

        They do waddle -Nadler wouldn’t have been able to get up. 🙂

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  17. free eye care for police horses injured in riots
    FTA
    An animal hospital in Ohio that specializes in animal eye care has said it would provide free services to police horses injured during the riots and protests in the state and nearby Lexington, Kentucky.

    The Animal Eye Institute posted on Facebook last week that it was not trying “to get political,” but wanted to help any injured police horses.

    “We aren’t in any way going to get political here, but if any police horses have eye injuries from protests from Columbus down to Lexington, we will treat them for free,” the hospital wrote. “Just call the office or send us an email. The big gentle giants don’t deserve to be hurt.”

    WJW reported that protesters threw objects at mounted officers in Columbus over the weekend, though it is unclear if any animals were hurt. The Animal Eye Institute said it would treat for free animals from Columbus to Lexington, Kentucky.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ohio-animal-hospital-offering-free-care-to-any-police-horses-injured-during-riots

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    1. To be perefectly fair, slavery was already here among the Native Americans. Slavery was introduced by those who colonized North America and ruled over us. Britain, Spain, Portugal, the Dutch, etc., gave us slavery and the British maintained in on North American soil until 1776/82 (depending on how you count it).

      The USA had slavery from 1789-1863/5 (depending on location) and the Dems fought to keep it.

      Slavery was an artifact from those who colonized us. We are mere victims of the colonizers and had to right the wrongs they foisted upon us and are still dealing with effects of 175 yrs of British rule over parts of the US. Spanish colonization also foisted slavery on part of what are now the US and their colonial rule over US lasted even longer with even more tragic results.

      I will not take responsibility for what other countries did while they ruled over us, while we were but mere colonized people.

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      1. Brilliant:

        So it was Republicans who gave us Slavery and a Democrat President Lincoln freed them.

        KKK Descendants of Slaveholders like Demo☭rat Senator Robert Byrd were really Republicans in disguise.

        This isn’t a history debate, it’s a war for the future of our country … but you already knew that. 🙄

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  18. Josh Hawley tweeted out this verse and was immediately attacked by twitter bots.

    .
    Text:

    “Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable – if anything is excellent or praiseworthy – think about such things!” (Philippians 4:8) Have a great Tuesday

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  19. Wolfie is going to love this!
    He called this days ago!

    .
    Text of President Trump’s tweet:

    Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN
    I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

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    1. I’m so glad POTUS saw the video clip. Caught it first from Wolfie that morning, he was the only one who in my feed with that particular filming. It clearly shows the guy scanning communication/tactical weapons on the police officer. He also knew better than to get up in their face.

      Police Union lawyer should be able to get the cops off on this nonsense charge.

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        1. Interesting how someone had the perfect camera angle to film the incident. Set up from the beginning. Don’t think the guy expected to get shoved away – but that’s what they’re supposed to do.

          Think about it this way… Does that police officer know the guy ISN”T wearing a suicide vest? They’re marching in formation – you don’t stop – it could have been an ambush for the police – attacked if they stopped. 75 year old Lefties today are the hippie refugees of the 60’s.

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          1. They call it ‘bird-dogging’.

            That’s when they try to provoke someone into fighting back…to get it recorded on video.

            The 75 yr old was perfect because he could act all pitiful if he got the police to react to his aggressiveness.

            These people are evil.

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    1. Checking the law, it’s apparently indeed allowed to not say “so help me God.” but it is written into the law as the “default.”

      This is actually different from the US Constitution’s statement of the presidential oath of office, which does not include “so help me God.” (It has been getting added on for at least a hundred years anyway).

      In both cases the person taking the oath has the option of substituting words to the effect that it is an affirmation rather than an oath.

      I think to comply with the spirit of the US Constitution, “so help me God” should become an optional add on, rather than the default, in the citizenship oath, just like it is for the presidential oath of office.

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      1. The Founding Fathers were not nearly so shy about Christianity as most politicians today.

        And when they talk about ‘religion’, they’re not talking about islam, they’re talking about Christianity.

        John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating,

        “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

        .

        Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence said.

        “[T]he only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be aid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments. Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind.”

        .

        Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary said,

        “[T]he Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence.”

        .

        Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution.

        “[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. [T]herefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God.”

        .

        Fisher Ames author of the final wording for the First Amendment wrote,

        “[Why] should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind.”

        .

        John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court,

        “The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.”

        .

        James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution; U. S. Supreme Court Justice,

        “Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.”

        .

        Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary stated,

        “The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. . . All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”

        .

        Robert Winthrop, Speaker of the U. S. House,
        “Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”

        .

        George Washington, General of the Revolutionary Army, president of the Constitutional Convention, First President of the United States of America, Father of our nation,
        “Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.”

        .

        Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

        “[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

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          1. “Not even responsive to the point I was making.”

            ____________

            Your point was “I think to comply with the spirit of the US Constitution, “so help me God” should become an optional add on, rather than the default, in the citizenship oath, just like it is for the presidential oath of office.”

            My point was that many of the people who founded our country, and who actually approved and signed the Constitution, were much more openly religious (Christian) than politicians (or most public people) today.

            So whatever ‘spirit’ of the Constitution you were referring to, it was certainly more religious (Christian) then, not less.

            The expression ‘so help me God’ is an acknowledgment of not just ‘a’ higher power, but ‘the’ higher power which guided the men who founded this Republic.

            In that context, the quotes of the Founding Fathers seemed very much responsive to the point you were making.

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            1. If that is so…why does the Constitution say nothing? Why was “So help me God” left off the Presidential oath?

              And the fact that there is the option to “affirm” rather than “swear” is an indication that they thought perhaps a non-Christian might ascend to that office some day, which makes one wonder about all the quotes you have supposedly “proving” the founders thought religion essential for virtue. (In fact your last quote from Franklin makes no mention of religion at all.)

              The spirit of the constitution was to give people a choice and to have an unadorned oath of office–if they had wanted a situation like with the oath of citizenship, they would have arranged that. They had the pen in their hands. Yet you apparently expect me to believe that they would prefer it done another way.

              Your claim as to the spirit of the Constitution does not match the words the framers themselves wrote.

              Like

            2. I mean I just find it funny that when a secularist argues that the Constitution intended a secular state, religionists have to go find quotes by the writers to argue otherwise.

              Those quotes show they were very articulate men, YET they failed to put any of that into the Constitution.

              Maybe the reason is they didn’t WANT it in the Constitution; they wanted it to be a religiously neutral document.

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              1. “I mean I just find it funny that when a secularist argues that the Constitution intended a secular state, religionists have to go find quotes by the writers to argue otherwise.”

                _____________

                The point was that their view of a ‘secular state’ was not the God-hating Marxist vision of ‘secular state’ we have today. It was not even conceivable to our Founding Fathers (like so much of the God-hating Marxist vision).

                .

                “Those quotes show they were very articulate men, YET they failed to put any of that into the Constitution. Maybe the reason is they didn’t WANT it in the Constitution; they wanted it to be a religiously neutral document.”

                ____________

                And the point I am making is that religion (Christianity) infused their thinking on nearly every subject, without it, they would never have come up with the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They are acknowledging these things in the quotes I posted.

                Christianity was the NORM at that time, much more so than today. If they had any idea what the God-hating Marxists would do to our country some 200 years later, I believe the Founding Fathers would have been more specific about a LOT of things.

                They certainly would not have tolerated or allowed ANYTHING that even remotely resembles our modern Sodom & Gomorrah today.

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