Collaborating to Calm CV Craziness

First of all let me say this post By Design is unfinished & a work in progress!

Second, as the newest author (I think) in the Wolf Pack I know that I don’t have the longevity, credibility, or the capability to request all of your help for this task.

Third, I’m asking for your help anyway, because if this is left up to me Alone it will likely never get done & it definitely won’t be as good.

Fourth, this is not an attempt to put a fresh spin on Daughn’s magnificent CV work, though many aspects of what might rise to the surface here may be found within those many daily & weekly efforts.

Background.  Thursday evening I overheard my husband’s Small Group from church’s weekly Bible study.  They were on something like FaceTime & I was in the room working on the computer nearby & not on screen.  Before they got into their discussion of the Book of Job there was A Lot of cross talk & upset over the latest in Governor/Dictator Gretchen Whitmer’s edicts, in specific an extending of the “shelter in place aka Stay Home Stay Safe” executive order from May 15 to May 28.  This was done even though the MI House & Senate have jointly sued Whitmer claiming she no longer has emergency powers since she didn’t receive legislative authorization or approval or concurrence to extend her original order.  In a sense MI is in its own form of constitutional crisis.

In the beginning of hearing Michael’s church-mates’ laments I assured him I wouldn’t say anything.  Then as things kept going on it became clear that a large portion of their sorrow & fear is because they have been misinformed & are really living in fear over the CV, not just the interruptions to their lives.  This level of fear & misinformation prompted me to write a list, which Michael & I discussed while he’d muted sound from him to the group.  Ultimately he decided & I agreed that I needed to get this info down in a written, condensed, & accessible way so that the link could be shared to help these group mates, & others, have their eyes potentially opened in a way that they might handle, to provide comfort, information, & possible tools for further action.

In support of this need, again last night, was my daughter’s sorrow that her boyfriend–today was their 14 month anniversary–is thinking that he might not be able to see her face-to-face possibly not until some time in July.  She said she’s begun to forget what he looks like & is filled with sorrows.  This situation is slightly different because this young man lives with his elderly father & is being very protective of his dad.  His dad is in his 70’s, a smoker, & in bad health, so the son has been unwilling to even meet face-to-face outside to walk or play soccer like has happened with our kids & several of their friends & family members.  This is a reminder that there still are vulnerable people who need to be protected, In a Reasonable Manner, without destroying our economy & our personal lives.

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So, here is how I Hope this might go.  I’ll share my list developed of “crucial info” that came to mind for hubby’s group plus more.  Before posting I’ll hopefully 🙂 make an attempt to organize those bullet points into some type of order.  If supportive data is readily available to me I’ll add the ones that I think fit & where they Might make most sense.  I’ll keep the Michigan specific stuff at the bottom & separate.  If Key Items from other states pop up in the comments those can get re-added back to the post.

What I hope grows out of this is a template tool that we can All use by potentially refashioning it on our individual blogs, in state-specific focused ways, to make a targeted approach to red-pilling more of the regular people we know in a way that can provide them with comfort, accurate info, tools to resist tyranny, & something to adapt or pass on “as is” to people they think might benefit from this approach.

For ease of organization it would be great if this could ultimately be placed in a streamlined & logical outline format…we’ll see how things go.

I personally have Always been challenged by outlines.  I have a tendency to think that All info is crucial.  Because of this I Really Need Help from those who can clearly tell the Majors from the Minors.  Also I will not spend a large amount of time trying to re-work the (less than comprehensive) info I’ve shared into what’s crucial, etc. nor obsess about the outlining, such as it is.

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This is currently in no particular order, just how the thoughts came to me a couple of hours ago:  Formatting note, this is too messy of an “as is” presentation so I will try to bold My writing in the bullet point areas to set that off from links added.  It is my hope & plan to Re-Work the material into a more “polished” presentation before the post might be ready for dissemination beyond the Q-Tree…thanks for your patience & understanding of this process!

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This seemed a crucial piece of info so I gave it top billing!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/ric-grenell-coronavirus-lockdowns-constitution-signed-permission-slip-leave-house/

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I haven’t necessarily read or processed this stuff, but it might fit somewhere:

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Pages/COVID19.aspx

https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning

https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/pages/coronavirus-alert

“The List” – Interesting and Quietly Overlooked Remarks by Secretary Pompeo…

Flu Misinformation and Coronavirus Fears: My Letter to Dr. Sanjay Gupta

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232131/Adherence-social-distancing-spurs-dip-projected-U-S-coronavirus-deaths.html

State & Territory data including links to best sources

https://covidtracking.com/data

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

https://mcnair.northwood.edu/covid-19-optimism-index

https://ncov2019.live/data

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

https://app.sermo.com/covid19-barometer?utm_campaign=wwwsermo_covid19

HUGE UPDATE: Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx Used Imperial College Model — NOW CONFIRMED AS A COMPLETE FRAUD — To Persuade President Trump to Lock Down Entire US Economy!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Massive flu outbreak – The lies, the hoax, the scandal

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Not sure if these will show when inserted into the bullet point list above so they were Also pasted here:

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1255931939246178305.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1248852071761227778.html

If any of you have a login for ThreadReader would you please save & share the pdf version of these two pieces of info before they might get disappeared–Thanks!

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Another idea for presentation is for me (or someone else who’s done it before 🙂 ) to create a Twitter Thread of All the info we decide is Crucial to share & once the Thread is “complete” get a Thread Reader & a pdf version available to share.  We could create different versions for the individual states (at least the ones that need the most help)…any thoughts on this idea?

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Here’s a bit of Michigan specific stuff:

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Lockdown Protests The Great Awakening Worldwide Huge Comp

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Tweets that might not show in the bullet point list for Michigan:

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This has some good info (no citations or links for it though) but it looks too conspiratorial for general consumption, any suggestions where this basic info can be found in such a short & sweet presentation minus “conspiracy” overtones & with links/citations for people to check out?

Constitutional lawyer: STOP letting tyrants lie to you

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Here I start looking into the Whitmer Executive orders.  For the record it seems that the way MI has created the URLs for this important state business has been designed to make it More Difficult to search for this info, nor to recognize the Significance of Any URLs…incompetence, laziness, or deliberate obfuscation???

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Here is the link to Whitmer’s initial Executive order in declaring an emergency related to “Covid-19”, followed by the text in its entirety:

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-521576–,00.html

EXECUTIVE ORDER

 

No. 2020-4

 

Declaration of State of Emergency
 

The novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is a respiratory disease that can result in serious illness or death. It is caused by a new strain of coronavirus that had not been previously identified in humans and can easily spread from person to person.

 

COVID-19 has been identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan City in the Hubei Province of China. Person-to-person spread of the virus has occurred in the United States, with some of those occurring in people with no travel history and no known source of exposure. On January 31, 2020, the United States Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for COVID-19, and affected state and local governments have also declared states of emergency.

 

 

The State of Michigan has been taking proactive steps to prevent and prepare for the spread of this disease. On February 3, 2020, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) activated the Community Health Emergency Coordination Center, and has been working diligently with local health departments, health systems, and medical providers throughout Michigan to make sure appropriate screening and preparations for COVID-19 are being made. On February 28, 2020, I activated the State Emergency Operations Center to maximize coordination with state, local and federal agencies, as well as private partners, and to help prevent the spread of the disease. On March 3, 2020, I created four task forces comprising key state government agencies to coordinate the state’s response and work closely with the appropriate community and non-governmental stakeholders to combat the spread of COVID-19 and assess the impact it may have on Michiganders’ day-to-day lives. And throughout this time, the State has been working with schools, businesses, medical providers, local health departments, and residents to make sure they have the information they need to prepare for potential cases.

 

On March 10, 2020, MDHHS identified the first two presumptive-positive cases of COVID-19 in Michigan.

 

Section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 vests the executive power of the State of Michigan in the governor.

 

 

 

The Emergency Management Act, 1976 PA 390, as amended, MCL 30.403(4), provides that “[t]he governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists.”

 

The Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945, 1945 PA 302, as amended, MCL 10.31(1), provides that “[d]uring times of great public crisis, disaster, rioting, catastrophe, or similar public emergency within the state, or reasonable apprehension of immediate danger of a public emergency of that kind, . . . the governor may proclaim a state of emergency and designate the area involved.”

 

Acting under the Michigan Constitution of 1963 and Michigan law, I order the following:

 

  1. A state of emergency is declared across the State of Michigan.

 

  1. The Emergency Management and Homeland Security Division of the Department of State Police must coordinate and maximize all state efforts that may be activated to state service to assist local governments and officials and may call upon all state departments to utilize available resources to assist.

 

  1. The state of emergency is terminated when emergency conditions no longer exist and appropriate programs have been implemented to recover from any effects of the emergency conditions, consistent with the legal authorities upon which this declaration is based and any limits on duration imposed by those authorities.

 

Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the State of Michigan.

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Here is a link to “all ” of Whitmer’s Executive Orders:

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705—,00.html

  • What is an Executive Order?What is an Executive Order?The Michigan Constitution of 1963 vests the executive power of the state in the Governor. That power can be exercised formally by executive order. Executive orders may reorganize agencies within the executive branch of state government, reassign functions among executive branch agencies, create temporary agencies, establish an advisory body, commission, or task force, proclaim or end an emergency, or reduce expenditures authorized by appropriations. Once signed by the Governor, executive orders are filed with the Secretary of State, where the orders are sealed and retained by the Office of the Great Seal.

From that page there were 19 Executive Orders in 2019, numbered consecutively w/ links to each of them.  #s 1, 4, 11, 12, & 17 Were all Declaration of a State of Emergency Orders.

So far in 2020, as of (probably) 5-7-20, there are 77 Executive Orders listed.  Some are Not Shown, which really makes me wonder what they are trying to hide…hmmm.  Orders 2 & 3 for 2020 are not shown.  Orders #5-#13 are rescinded.  All the remaining orders, so far for 2020 are showing.  Here’s the ones that are shown as rescinded: 15-16, 18-21, 23-25, 29-30, 32, 35, 37, 40-43, 48, 57, 59-60, & Finally 70.  If that pattern of executive overreach & micromanagement isn’t apparent from these extreme numbers of executive orders then I am clearly misunderstanding what appears to be right in front of us!

 

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Executive Order #1 for 2020 involves prescription drugs…I wonder if this is some type of stealth way to work around the HCQ access, as in Whitmer was In on the Plannedemic & putting in place structures to assist what was to come…pure speculation & I Have Not read this order in full…it’s here just FYI

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-520030–,00.html

EXECUTIVE ORDER

 

No. 2020-1

 

Prescription Drug Task Force

 

Department of Health and Human Services

 

 

Over the past six years, the average price of drugs prescribed to treat diabetes, heart disease, depression, and other common conditions has more than doubled. These prices are set with little transparency but with tremendous consequence. Many of the problems Michiganders face in health care are the result of the skyrocketing costs of prescription drugs – from plans that are too expensive, to deductibles that are too high, to vital medications too expensive for many people who need them.

 

No one should ever have to worry about choosing between filling a life-saving prescription or paying rent. But that worry is increasingly the reality. Michigan urgently needs solutions to this problem, and leaders must act quickly and cooperatively to find them.

 

The health and well-being of this state and its residents, communities, and businesses would benefit from a task force devoted to bringing transparency and affordability to the pricing of prescription drugs.

 

Section 51 of article 4 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 declares the public health and general welfare of the people of the State of Michigan as matters of primary public concern.

 

Section 8 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 places each principal department of state government under the supervision of the governor unless otherwise provided.

 

Section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 vests the executive power of the State of Michigan in the governor.

 

Section 8 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 obligates the governor to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

 

Acting under the Michigan Constitution of 1963 and Michigan law, I order the following:

 

 

1.            Creating the Prescription Drug Task Force

 

(a)          The Prescription Drug Task Force (“Task Force”) is created as an advisory body within the Department of Health and Human Services (“Department”).

 

(b)          The Task Force must include the following members from the executive branch of state government appointed by the governor:

 

(1)          The director of the Department and a designee of the director from within the Department; or two designees of the director from within the Department.

 

(2)          The director of the Department of Insurance and Financial Services, or the director’s designee from within that department.

 

(3)          The director of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, or the director’s designee from within that department.

 

(c)           The following officers of the legislative branch of state government may also participate as members of the Task Force:

 

(1)          Three members of the Michigan House of Representatives designated by the governor.

 

(2)          Two members of the Michigan Senate designated by the governor.

 

(d)          Members of the Task Force are ex officio members and serve at the pleasure of the governor.

 

(e)          A vacancy on the Task Force must be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

 

2.            Charge to the Task Force

 

(a)          The Task Force must act in an advisory capacity to the governor and must do the following:

 

(1)          Analyze the scope and causes of the problem of high-cost prescription drugs in Michigan and the impact of this problem on this state’s residents, communities, and businesses.

 

(2)          Analyze the way prescription drug prices are set in Michigan and identify strategies for increasing the transparency of that process.

 

(3)          Recommend legislative and administrative actions that can be taken, and policy-related changes that can be implemented by governmental and non-governmental agencies, relevant to lowering prescription drug prices for consumers in Michigan.

 

(4)          Recommend legislative and administrative actions that can be taken, and policy-related changes that can be implemented by governmental and non-governmental agencies, relevant to increasing transparency in the pricing of prescription drugs in Michigan.

 

(5)          Provide other information or advice or take other actions as requested by the governor.

 

(b)          The Task Force must complete its work and submit a final report to the governor detailing its findings and recommendations by August 15, 2020.

 

3.            Operations of the Task Force

 

(a)          The Department must assist the Task Force in the performance of its duties and provide personnel to staff the Task Force. The budgeting, procurement, and related management functions of the Task Force must be performed under the direction and supervision of the director of the Department.

 

(b)          The Task Force must adopt procedures, consistent with this order and applicable law, governing its organization and operations.

 

(c)           The Task Force must comply with the Freedom of Information Act, 1976 PA 442, as amended, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

 

(d)          The director of the Department, or the director’s designee from within the Department, must serve as the chairperson of the Task Force.

 

(e)          The Task Force may select from among its members a vice chairperson.

 

(f)           The Task Force may select from among its members a secretary. Task Force staff must assist the secretary with recordkeeping responsibilities.

 

(g)          The Task Force must meet at the call of its chairperson and as otherwise provided in the procedures adopted by the Task Force.

 

(h)          A majority of the members of the Task Force serving constitutes a quorum for the transaction of the business of the Task Force. The Task Force must act by a majority vote of its members.

 

(i)            The Task Force may establish advisory workgroups composed of individuals or entities participating in Task Force activities or other members of the public as deemed necessary by the Task Force to assist it in performing its duties and responsibilities. The Task Force may adopt, reject, or modify any recommendations proposed by an advisory workgroup.

 

(j)           The Task Force may, as appropriate, make inquiries, studies, and investigations, hold hearings, and receive comments from the public. The Task Force also may consult with outside experts in order to perform its duties, including experts in the private sector, organized labor, government agencies, and at institutions of higher education.

 

(k)          The Task Force may hire or retain contractors, sub-contractors, advisors, consultants, and agents, and may make and enter into contracts necessary or incidental to the exercise of the powers of the Task Force and the performance of its duties as the director of the Department deems advisable and necessary, consistent with this order and applicable law, rules, and procedures, and subject to available funding.

 

(l)            The Task Force may accept donations of labor, services, or other things of value from any public or private agency or person. Any donations must be received and used in accordance with law.

 

(m)         Members of the Task Force must not receive additional compensation for participation on the Task Force. Members of the Task Force may receive reimbursement for necessary travel and expenses consistent with applicable law, rules, and procedures, and subject to available funding.

 

(n)          Members of the Task Force must refer all legal, legislative, and media contacts to the Department.

 

(o)          The Task Force will dissolve 90 days after issuance of its final report.

 

4.            Implementation

 

(a)          All departments, committees, commissioners, or officers of this state must give to the Task Force, or to any member or representative of the Task Force, any necessary assistance required by the Task Force, or any member or representative of the Task Force, in the performance of the duties of the Task Force so far as is compatible with their duties and consistent with this order and applicable law. Free access also must be given to any books, records, or documents in their custody relating to matters within the scope of inquiry, study, or review of the Task Force, consistent with applicable law.

 

(b)          This order is not intended to abate a proceeding commenced by, against, or before an officer or entity affected by this order. A proceeding may be maintained by, against, or before the successor of any officer or entity affected by this order.

 

(c)           Nothing in this order should be construed to change the organization of the executive branch of state government or the assignment of functions among its units, in a manner requiring the force of law.

 

(d)          If any portion of this order is found to be unenforceable, the rest of the order remains in effect.

 

(e)          This order is effective upon filing.

 

 

Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the State of Michigan.

 

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Likewise, this order from the end of 2019 dealing with “opioid abuse” may be a backdoor to control the HCQ access?  Just speculating here…

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-505270–,00.html

Executive Order

 

No. 2019-18

 

Department of Health and Human Services
 

Michigan Opioids Task Force
 

 

The epidemic of opioid abuse has plagued Michigan for years. While more recent response efforts have made some headway in combating this epidemic, it remains a full-blown public-health crisis, afflicting Michigan residents of all backgrounds, age groups, and income levels. Michigan remains among the states with the highest levels of both opioid prescriptions and opioid overdose deaths, and the abuse of these drugs continues to exact a heavy toll on this state’s families, communities, and resources.

 

Combating an epidemic of this size and impact requires a coordinated and comprehensive approach: one that identifies and confronts the full scope of the epidemic’s root causes and contributing factors in Michigan; that pools, optimizes, and augments the efforts and resources on all levels—public and private; local, state, and federal—that are available to address the epidemic; and that raises public awareness of the epidemic, its causes and effects, the resources available to those afflicted by it, and the actions that can be taken to combat it.

 

The health and well-being of this state and its residents would benefit from a task force devoted to developing and implementing such statewide response actions, and to bringing this crisis under full and lasting control.

 

Section 51 of article 4 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 declares the public health and general welfare of the people of the State of Michigan as matters of primary public concern.

 

 

Section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 vests the executive power of the State of Michigan in the governor.

 

Section 8 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 places each principal department of state government under the supervision of the governor unless otherwise provided.

 

Section 8 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 also obligates the governor to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

 

Acting pursuant to the Michigan Constitution of 1963 and Michigan law, I order the following:

 

  1. Creation of the Michigan Opioids Task Force
     

    1. The Michigan Opioids Task Force (“Task Force”) is created as an advisory body within the Department of Health and Human Services (“Department”).
       
    2. The Task Force shall consist of the following members:
       

      1. The director of the Department, or the director’s designee from within the Department.
         
      2. The chief medical executive of the State of Michigan.
         
      3. The director of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, or the director’s designee from within that department.
         
      4. The director of the Michigan State Police, or the director’s designee from within that department.

 

  1. The director of the Department of Corrections, or the director’s designee from within that department.
     
  2. The director of the Department of Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy, or the director’s designee from within that department.
     
  3. The director of the Department of Insurance and Financial Services, or the director’s designee from within that department.
     
  4. The director of the Department of Military and Veterans Affairs, or the director’s designee from within that department.

 

  1. The director of the Department of Labor and Economic Opportunity, or the director’s designee from within that department.

 

  1. The attorney general, or the attorney general’s designee from within the Department of Attorney General.
     
  2. The superintendent of public instruction, or the superintendent’s designee from within the Department of Education.
     
  3. The chief justice of the Michigan Supreme Court, or the chief justice’s designee, may also participate as a member of the Task Force.
     
  4. Members of the Task Force are ex officio members and serve at the pleasure of the governor.
     
  5. The director of the Department shall designate the chairperson of the Task Force.
     

 

  1. Charge to the Task Force
     

    1. The Task Force shall provide recommendations to the director of the Department, and the heads of other departments or agencies, and coordinate activities among departments and agencies.

 

  1. The Task Force shall research, identify, recommend, and implement response actions to the opioid epidemic in Michigan, which may include the following:
     

    1. Identify and evaluate the epidemic’s root causes and contributing factors in Michigan, and the effectiveness of response actions on all levels that have been undertaken or are currently being undertaken. Develop strategies for supporting or otherwise improving the efficacy of those response actions.

 

  1. Identify and evaluate the nature and scope of the epidemic’s impact on various locations and communities throughout the state and what response actions would be most effective in helping each of those impacted areas. Develop strategies for implementing those response actions.
     
  2. Identify and evaluate what financial and other resources are available on all levels to combat the epidemic in Michigan. Develop strategies for securing, coordinating, augmenting, and deploying those resources.

 

  1. Develop strategies for increasing public awareness of the epidemic in Michigan, its causes and effects, the resources available to those afflicted by it, and the actions that can be taken to combat it.
     
  2. Develop routine communication and information-sharing protocols between members of the Task Force and stakeholders on all levels.
     
  3. Perform outreach to ensure all stakeholders in impacted areas are informed, educated, and empowered. Stakeholder outreach will include, but is not limited to, residents, community members, other partner organizations, tribal governments, local government officials, and other elected officials representing the impacted areas.
     
  4. Perform outreach to the general public regarding the epidemic and the work of the Task Force.
     
  5. Create measurable goals and objectives along an established timeline.
     
  6. Recommend changes in Michigan law relevant to combating the epidemic.
     
  7. Provide other information and advice and perform other duties as requested by the director of the Department or the governor.
     
  8. The Task Force shall report regularly to the governor on its activities.
     
  1. Operations of the Task Force
     

    1. The Department shall assist the Task Force in the performance of its duties and provide personnel to staff the Task Force. The budgeting, procurement, and related management functions of the Task Force shall be performed under the direction and supervision of the director of the Department.
       
    2. The Task Force shall adopt procedures consistent with Michigan law and this order governing its organization and operations.
       
    3. The Task Force shall comply with the Freedom of Information Act, 1976 PA 442, as amended, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.
       
    4. The Task Force may select from among its members a vice chairperson.

 

  1. The Task Force may select from among its members a secretary. Task Force staff shall assist the secretary with recordkeeping responsibilities.

 

  1. The Task Force shall meet at the call of its chairperson and as otherwise provided in the procedures adopted by the Task Force.
     
  2. A majority of the members of the Task Force serving constitutes a quorum for the transaction of the business of the Task Force. The Task Force must act by a majority vote of its serving members.
     
  3. The Task Force may establish advisory workgroups composed of individuals or entities participating in Task Force activities or other members of the public as deemed necessary by the Task Force to assist it in performing its duties and responsibilities. The Task Force may adopt, reject, or modify any recommendations proposed by an advisory workgroup.

 

  1. The Task Force may, as appropriate, make inquiries, studies, and investigations, hold hearings, and receive comments from the public. The Task Force also may consult with outside experts in order to perform its duties, including experts in the private sector, organized labor, government agencies, and at institutions of higher education.

 

  1. The Task Force may hire or retain contractors, sub-contractors, advisors, consultants, and agents, and may make and enter into contracts necessary or incidental to the exercise of the powers of the Task Force and the performance of its duties as the director of the Department deems advisable and necessary, consistent with this order and applicable law, rules and procedures, and subject to available funding.

 

  1. The Task Force may accept donations of labor, services, or other things of value from any public or private agency or person. Any donations shall be received and used in accordance with law.

 

  • Members of the Task Force shall serve without compensation, but may receive reimbursement for necessary travel and expenses consistent with applicable law, rules, and procedures, and subject to available funding.
     
  • Members of the Task Force shall coordinate all legislative and media contacts that directly involve the work of the Task Force.
     
  1. Implementation
     

    1. All departments, committees, commissioners, or officers of this state shall give to the Task Force, or to any member or representative of the Task Force, any necessary assistance required by the Task Force, or any member or representative of the Task Force, in the performance of the duties of the Task Force so far as is compatible with their duties and consistent with this order and applicable law. Free access also must be given to any books, records, or documents in their custody relating to matters within the scope of inquiry, study, or review of the Task Force, consistent with applicable law.

 

  1. Nothing in this order shall be construed to change the organization of the executive branch of state government or the assignment of functions among its units, in a manner requiring the force of law.

 

  1. If any portion of this order is found to be unenforceable, the unenforceable provision should be disregarded and the rest of the order should remain in effect as issued.
     
  2. This order is effective upon filing.

 

Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the State of Michigan.

 

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This link leads to Michigan data, in which disclaimers are shown here:

Michigan has reported each day’s negative results since 3/10 but has never totaled them. We sum all the negative results and report the total. Michigan reports specimens tested instead of people tested. Recovered counts are updated once a week. On 4/26 we mistakenly entered the total number of tests in place of the total number of negative results: we are fixing this issue.

 

Tests Hospitalized In ICU On Ventilator Outcomes Total Test Results
Positive Negative Pending Currently Cumulative Currently Cumulative Currently Cumulative Recovered Deaths Positive + Negative
45,646 201,416 N/A 1,697 N/A 753 N/A 612 N/A 15,659 4,343 247,062
Last updated: Thu May 7 2020 11:00 am EDT

Clicking the Michigan link reveals data from March 1, 2020 through May 7, 2020 & some dates offer multiple screenshots from different times.

Here is the link for the “best current data source for Michigan”

https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163_98173—,00.html

This information is updated daily at 3 p.m., with COVID-19 results included as of 10 a.m.

There is a lot of material to find here…including

Cases by Age
Age Percentage of Overall Cases by Age Percentage of Deceased Cases by Age
0 to 19 2% <1%
20 to 29 10% <1%
30 to 39 13% 1%
40 to 49 16% 3%
50 to 59 18% 8%
60 to 69 17% 19%
70 to 79 12% 27%
80+ 11% 41%
Unknown <1% 0%

Totals may not add to 100% due to rounding

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Some of the info on MI Executive orders will likely be better placed in a more Michigan focused post…

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Another way to organize some of the info being presented would be Beginner, Intermediate, & Advanced, so as to not overwhelm people not ready for the degree of knowledge & insight that runs rampant in the Wolf Pack environs…

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Well, that’s a rough start so now I’ll attempt to loosely prioritize what’s above:

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Nope, my restructuring will not be as effective as throwing this raw meat before the Wolf Pack.  Let’s Hunt Together…if you please…

 

470 thoughts on “Collaborating to Calm CV Craziness

    1. Thanks, Carl, but to be honest, most of the links within the post were probably shared by others here at the Q Tree previously! Credit where credit is due & all…Blessings!

      Oh, & by the way, thank you for the many creative, insightful, & inspiring ways you encourage us here. You & your giftings are a precious treasure (in an earthen vessel) 😉

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    1. Yes, it was, but I was pulling from existing open tabs so I didn’t go digging too deeply.

      If I hadn’t lost some windows w/ dozens of tabs after a couple of computer shut downs there would have been some more, like that google doc (I think) that someone is regularly updating w/ HCQ studies…sigh…

      I don’t know how you post so many things here & get to comment so much. This is only my second attempt & boy does it take some time. Someone once said to me “work smarter, not harder” but that apparently went right over my head! 🙂 Blessings!

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        1. Hopefully St. Louis will get out from under the jackboot soon. No word on when Detroit will truly be free (but since ubiquitous Dem rule in the D it appears freedom hasn’t been on the agenda for basically my entire life 😦 )

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            1. Well at least your faith has found a (semi) reasonable balance point. It’s still unconscionable & unconstitutional that they limited houses of worship at all though! Hope your date of 5-18 doesn’t shift like our 5-15 was moved to 5-28 yesterday–gotta keep moving goalposts & all…

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              1. IDK about any group other than Catholics, but the Churches themselves were never closed. In fact, they were more open than before just without public ceremonies. There’s A LOT of Eucharistic Adoration going on. And a fair number of Masses. The local authorities know better than to try to suppress that here.

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              2. That was not the experience in my town. All the churches shut down, and either live-streamed or what have you.

                The county commissioners had a lot of pull, and frankly, I am convinced most of them are RINOs. They were even for curfews before the governor put out his EO. There is a HUGE pretence of Christian faith, but when it comes down to brass tacks, the pastors and faithful followed the gubbmint to the last pinch of incense.

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              3. I actually just got home from dropping off food for a food pantry my parish supports. There was a group in the church itself saying the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Socially distanced, of course, but then we’ve done that for years without calling it such.

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              4. IDK that we’re in all that bad of shape as far as food pantries go. I mean, around here, put out a call and that’s all it takes. This is week 3 or 4 for this heavier push. There’s so much in the area where we drop off, it’s not even funny. Pop top soups and stews, canned meat, tuna pouches, cups of fruit in its own juice, applesauce, hot cereal packets, and more.

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            2. DP, curious and jealous. Curious: will the diocese/archbishop allow reception of Holy Communion on the tongue? The US Bishops have allowed that.

              https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/us-bishops-guideline-approves-communion-on-the-tongue
              I’m jealous because we’ve been without reception of the Holy Eucharist since we closed down and don’t know when we’ll reopen for public Masses. Grateful others are beginning to be able to receive again. 🙏🏼

              And Valerie, GREAT content in your post. Thank you for taking the time to put it together.

              God bless America and our President.
              🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦁🦁🦁

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  1. VC, really appreciate the information put forth here. The one (or two) suggestions for me . Where are the cliff notes versions, sometimes less info is more info.
    Second would be if going to do a MI update, just make a link maybe?
    I am really struggling with posting this because I don’t want to offend.
    Again not trying to offend, just my thoughts, because I know you put a lot of effort into this, which is more than I can do.

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    1. I’m so glad to have a recent update – compilation – compendium – summary – synthesis thread of what we have, where we stand in the knowledge/evidence department.

      And she documented it all so we can go to the source!!!

      Yeah – it’s bulky – but no less than reading a Gail Combs comment or some of those old SD/CTH posts of yore. 🙂

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    2. Thank you for this! Great ideas.

      I rarely get offended. If you knew the things my special needs son has said to or about me in front of others…well sometimes you just gotta learn to walk the walk when someone else has stripped you down to your skivvies!

      The Cliff Notes version is especially important if we can find a starter/beginner version, to share with people that aren’t ready for the deeper dives. That’s one of the reasons I am asking for help!!!

      Actually Cliff Notes or Spark Charts for Medium & Advanced versions would also be very helpful. Thanks for suggesting that paradigm 🙂

      Boiling down to the bottom line isn’t exactly my strong suit. (in case this post didn’t make that clear)

      “Again not trying to offend, just my thoughts, because I know you put a lot of effort into this, which is more than I can do.”

      For some reason this is making me think of a time I was in the pediatrician’s office for one of my kids. There was a mom nearby who was upset & crying & ended up sharing with me her fears because her child was soon to go under the knife for myringotomy (ear) tubes. [Josiah couldn’t even walk without holding on to things until he Finally got his first set of tubes]

      She finally turned to me embarrassed for her emotionality & tried to deflect like I probably didn’t really know what she was talking about.

      Well, by then Josiah had already had several ear tube surgeries, at least one open-heart, and at least one stage of a birth defect repair, in addition to major hernia surgery while recovering from his 1st open-heart.

      I don’t think I went into all that, at least I Hope Not. Whatever I said she then remarked in a way implying shame or embarrassment that I must have thought she was such a baby. But pain is pain & we weren’t in some type of twisted contest to see who was a better mom, who handled difficult emotions better, or whose kid had a scarier trajectory.

      Honestly I was filled with compassion for her & related to where she was in that if any of my Other 3 kids were to be going under the knife it would be very difficult for me, even though I was “used” to that happening with Josiah (not that that makes it easy, just somewhat familiar)…

      So You don’t know what exactly You “can do” & please don’t in any way denigrate yourself. You made the first suggestion on this post. This means that you got that ball rolling! That can take courage & it is to be applauded.

      So please continue to speak up, share your insights & perspective, & keep boldly going where no one (yet) has gone before 😉

      Blessings!

      PS I am truly the “least” of these in authorship & commentatorship around here. It still amazes me that Wolf is allowing me the freedom to share my meager loaves & fishes here.

      In the Q-Tree we work & play together but it is God (even for those who don’t acknowledge Him) who gives us all the increase & the multiplied bread to share with the masses…

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      1. Valerie…

        A very gracious response in a spirit of meekness and humility!

        I thought this was awesome!

        As a deep…sometimes too deep for my own good and life…researcher for decades…I thought this effort was great.

        We are now living in a very complex situation…

        And too be honest, some situations are too serious and complex to reduce to Cliff Notes. I never used Cliff Notes as a kid. We need the looong version today, not some quickie short version. The truth of real things is the extended version.

        You spent some serious brain time and organizational time to get this up! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

        U got me in your corner on this one. 🙂

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        1. Complaint for Valerie as author, number FOUR, to make sure that you can get onto her threads.

          Contact https://akismet.com/contact and pick the 4th item. Give them these two URLs. Tell them I want you WHITELISTED on my site, or I will do another article critical of Akismet, and revealing that they are hiding moderating psych AI in WordPress’s spam engine.

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            1. I’m telling people that they need 3-4 complaints to Akismet that they can’t comment for EACH AUTHOR’S posts, without going into spam. 3 for you, 3 for grandmaintexas, 3 for Wheatie, 3 for Steve, 3 for Dep Pat, etc.

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              1. What a hassle for you & everyone being blocked. Thanks for clarifying.

                I was telling my daughter because I only saw your caps, 4th complaint for Valerie as an author, & I’m like I guess my author’s privileges may be about to be revoked…glad to know that’s not (yet!) what this is all about! 🙂

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      2. Thanks VC for that response really appreciate your perception, you don’t realize how close to the truth you are.
        And just last night when I couldn’t sleep ugh, I was reading in Joshua how the army marched around the city seven times with the priest blowing the trumpets. Then i read in Wolf’s open thread the WALLS FALL DOWN berfore the trumpets along with the video, funny where confirmations come from. So I am taking yours as the second one for me today.
        Keep up the great work you have started here on the tree.

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        1. Thank you for sharing this B & F. I’m still rather unsettled by being so well received Twice in my posts here at the Q-Tree. Believe me, that is not at all typical for the bulk of my life experiences. Talk about being a stranger in a strange land!

          Speaking of confirmations. I recently shared comments with someone related to those brief times when we might be found to be walking on water, like Peter. These are very temporary graces & we always need Jesus to rescue us (again) when we realize where we are & Know that we cannot so walk–& we cannot in our own strength, only He within us grants us those fleeting adventures where we might briefly seem to rise above our earthbound human nature.

          Well, a couple of days ago my husband was praying for me & he felt strongly to share a particular song with me. He even printed it off in a “girly” font as an act of Love.

          Well he read it off to me with emphasis in a couple of places. He was actually focusing on the parts that describe the walking on water & grace in the waves, as told in “Oceans”.

          God is Good to give us those glimpses of grace, sometimes just barely enough to sustain us through the storms of life. But whether we abound or we are abased He does indeed supply All of our needs according to His Riches in Glory in Christ Jesus!

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  2. OMGOSH – Valerie – you doll! You are amazing – you have compiled a Sundance, Churchmouse, Gail Combs worthy mass of information! So impressed!

    And an answer to my prayers and all my selfish, insufferable, extensive moaning and groaning and carrying on over the loss of the other CV/Back to Work thread.

    HUGS!!! (© ™Certified virus free)

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    1. Need someone’s knitting needle to pop my bloated cranial cavity LOL

      Um, thank you, but NO. Unlike the Giants that you’ve mentioned, most of what I shared is NOT my original work. But thank you much for the very high praise. It encourages me in those areas where I am fearful to step out in front of this Great cloud of witnesses.

      Hopefully between us we can get the cream to rise to the top so that we can ALL have access to the latest & greatest stuff to Defeat the Darkness!!!

      Of course my computer went through a shutdown Again before this reply was finished…Someone/thing fighting back?

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    2. I’ll accept that hug w/ or w/out any virus (well preferably not a computer virus 🙂 ) I don’t remember the last time I got my daily sanity quota (per the “experts”) of 10 hugs/day. Blessings!

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  3. Repost from Flep’s round up.

    Note – it’s important to remember exactly WHY we are taking precautions and why President Trump issued guidelines and shut down his precious economy.

    Doctor speaks out….

    h/t Rosie Memos – https://twitter.com/almostjingo

    – The reason for the wholesale shutdown and social distancing, stay at home guidelines – is that people have supposedly been shown to capable of passing on the virus BEFORE they have the symptoms and know they are sick. (This has happened in two counties in GA and FL that I have followed closely – one has had over 1500 cases and nearly 200 deaths, caused by two funerals attended by busloads from and the other was in a guy who worked in a nursing home who had been to S FL to a boat show where he contracted the virus. He infected over 100 people and caused 20 deaths in that small rural community – most of them in the nursing home.)

    – The reason for the nursing homes to be closed to elective treatment and visitors is to protect the most vulnerable from the virus. (However the states of NY or NJ or CT did NOT do so – they sent infected patients back to nursing homes to infect the rest of the elderly population.)

    – The reason for hospitals to be closed to elective surgery is to keep the hospitals and staff from being overwhelmed with coronavirus patients and to protect the uninfected patients from those infected. (This has been devastating for hospitals business/financial side, caused the furloughing of many hospital personnel, and has required help from the federal government.)

    Sometimes it seems like all the guidelines are unreasonable, but President Trump asked questions, got good intel and made the decision to shut down the economy (he was so proud of it) on the basis of that evidence. I trust his judgment and intelligence. This shows us that our President values our lives and well-being, and those of our senior citizens above the economy and stock market heights that were so precious to him.

    Think about that – to our President – WE ARE MORE PRECIOUS than gold and his hard won economic gains!

    Think about this – When asked, what is your message to those who are sick and who have lost loved one? – “I LOVE YOU” President Trump replied. He means it.

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    1. And on the subject of Why Masks?

      I am going to wear a mask
      When I go out to a public place:
      – Unless my serological test shows I am not infected and/or that I have antibodies for the damned coronavirus and
      – Until I finish the first 5 days on the prophylactic regimen of HCQ and zinc, Vit C, D3, etc.
      – Because some people, who are asymptomatic, can be virus spreaders or super-spreaders and I don’t want to be one of those!
      – Because you never know whether a person you meet has underlying conditions such as a heart disease or abnormality, diabetes, etc.
      – Because I don’t want to think that I may have caused someone else to get sick or die.
      – Because as Dr. Birx said, we don’t wear a mask to protect ourselves, it’s to protect others from us.

      Two more points:
      – Physical distance, hygiene and hand washing and staying home protects us from others.
      – Only N-95 Masks, eye shields, protective gowns, gloves, head and shoe coverings
      will protect us from very close contact with an infected person.

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      1. Isn’t your daughter having some major health needs so that you need to be extra cautious so that you can be allowed to be with her?

        I appreciate your points & reasons why, but I’m hopeful that those approaches will become increasingly more & more voluntary (if they aren’t technically already just suggestions & not truly legal authority mandates)…

        Let My People Go!

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        1. My daughter has advanced neurodegenerative disease called Friedreich’s Ataxia which affects balance, coordination and has many secondary effects on heart, blood sugar, eyesight, speech, etc. Last fall, she was in the hospital for a month (I spent every night there with her) with heart arrhythmia and a couple of weeks ago, for a few days with another heart/medical crisis – and I couldn’t be with her, despite 6+ weeks in self-quarantine. Now the residence community where she lives in an apartment and her dad has a house, is closed to visitors due to the virus. I’ve been hoping to be certified with antibodies or virus free. Also got a Rx for the HCQ prophylactic regimen.
          The serological results were negative, but disappointing – no antibodies, but also no proof of no virus infection and the test was one that was not reviewed or even given Emergency Authorization by the FDA as were some tests. I’m feeling discouraged, and that’s why I’m doubly thankful for your taking on the Virus posting here! What a great job you have done!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐!!!

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          1. Thanks GF, I feel your pain. It’s a special club to be a parent of someone with complex special needs. I don’t know how well I’d handle what you’re having to face with your daughter.

            I have some stuff, well lots, at my main blog having to do with special needs in particular. I’ll share a few links here, purely fyi. Sometimes I re-read something there & am refreshed because I’d already forgotten some of the encouragements previously written. One of those “physician heal thyself” scenarios apparently!

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/10/17/special-forces/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/09/special-needs-parenting-trauma-ptsd/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/06/13/thoughts-on-i-cant-do-this-special-needs-life/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/04/special-needs-parenting-some-ancillary-aspects-encouragements/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/special-needs-church/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/being-a-special-needs-mom/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/01/05/comfort-in-suffering/

            https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/autism-empathy-christs-indwelling/

            Well I just got greedy & used my URL limit, sorry for going on so long with all those links…Blessings on your continuing journey to care for your precious daughter…& for yourself…

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            1. Every time I reply from this page when it refreshes it puts me back to where I can see that “heart shaped cave” opening. So these are random & perhaps weird thoughts. It kind of looks like we are looking out from inside a giant mouth with the heart indent/peak from above serving as the uvula.

              So if that’s a view from inside a mouth, it could be like Jonah’s view just before the whale spits him up/out onto dry land…he finally got a clue & has surrendered to the Mission God has assigned him to.

              Even better, it’s like we’re in the back of God’s throat, before He speaks (or sings like Aslan) us into being, or just prior to when He breathes into us the Breath of Life.

              Or we’re just sitting there enjoying the view, like the guy in the pic, & completely unaware of how God is surrounding us & even acting as our rear guard. & He breathed on them, they received His Spirit, & were empowered to do His Good Works!

              The whole world is spread out before us awaiting us to partake of whatever adventures come our way!

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        1. Thanks, I’ll check it out.

          I use various masks from N95 to bandanas – EVERY SINGLE WEEK – for mowing and blowing my driveway and when I sand, sweep the garage and especially during pollen season. I keep a standard blue folding mask in my purse in a zip lock bag, just in case I find a need….they are almost as essential to me as kleenex. If I have a cough, and have to go into a store, or a doctor’s office, I put one on.

          I also would hope others with colds would do the same around me and especially around my daughter!!!

          It’s not always a cut and dried matter of civil liberties and freedoms being curtailed – it’s a also matter of caution, kindness, empathy and etiquette.

          Yes, you have the right to sneeze and fart anywhere you want – but it’s not the most godly moral choice to do so.

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          1. Yes, of course. In the oldish days people would stay home if they were sick. Nowadays people don’t have the family and community circles to do shopping, cook meals, take care of kids, and couples both work.

            Add in kids in daycare and you are adding to the petri dish.

            I once worked in a Fortune 500 company daycare. I was sick for four months straight. I asked my boss how long it would last and she said about a year before you have enough immunity.

            Every morning we had a list of 20…yes almost every day there were 20…viruses or rashes, etc., that were present in the daycare.

            Unless and until we address the root problem, culturally and economically (most ill people continue to work in order to not lose PTO), we will have these dreadful issues.

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          2. Sometimes if we are sick we have to be out – to visit the doctor or pick up prescriptions, juice, soup, etc. Nowadays, there are drive thru services for both food and medicine, if we think ahead. Some seniors may have more trouble with the technology (ordering online, paying with a smart phone, etc.) than younger people.

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    2. Think about that – to our President – WE ARE MORE PRECIOUS than gold and his hard won economic gains!

      Think about this – When asked, what is your message to those who are sick and who have lost loved one? – “I LOVE YOU” President Trump replied. He means it.”

      Precious, Priceless, Presidential!

      Thanks for sharing this…

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    3. “He infected over 100 people and caused 20 deaths in that small rural community – most of them in the nursing home.”

      It is also possible that effective treatments, like HCQ + Z-Pack + Zinc were Not used in that nursing home. So saying “contributed” rather than “caused” may be in order.

      In MI, Gov. Whitmer initially refused to allow Doctors to prescribe the HCQ treatment nor pharmacists to dispense it, under threat of their licenses being pulled & legal prosecution. She also apparently seeded CV patients into nursing homes, a la Cuomo, so that is more “causative” than just viral exposure would be.

      Exposure is likely accidental, seeding CV & denying known effective treatments is deliberate, evil, & in my mind genocidal!

      Also denying people their Right to Try was surely a greater contributor to excessive deaths in our state than any potential virus shedder, per se.

      It also annoys me during a press conference, I mean Propaganda Theater, that whenever the death &/or case rate goes down they seem to Always attribute it to “doing the right thing” & social distancing, staying home, wearing masks, etc…

      It could also be due to the change in seasons, the rising herd immunity within the population, and the natural viral progression of any viral contagion. At least these factors might Also be in play.

      In my opinion it is disingenuous though perhaps politically advantageous to claim that you Know The cause of either the increase or decrease in cases &/or deaths. We are likely talking more about correlations not necessarily causations.

      But this same type of overblown certitude about things that aren’t really as certain as we wish or like to pretend that they are is something that majorly pisses me off by overly dogmatic practitioners of religion, preachers in particular…

      Stepping off the soupbox er soapbox now 🙂

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      1. I feel fairly certain that HCQ was not involved (at least until recently) in either county hospital. The GA county lost several hospital staff to the CCPCV. Most were AA with underlying health conditions in GA. In FL, they were all in one nursing home and evidently the disease spread like wildfire due to contact with the infected male staff member.

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        1. It’s all so very sad. I’m sorry for those difficult losses in your extended “neighborhood”. Hopefully something similar won’t happen as we learn from the mistakes & misunderstandings of the past.

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        2. GA/FL

          I just learned from a nurse I was talking to at the feed store that the problems in our county are from a nursing home. Seems the news is no longer mentioning nursing homes as the source because one of the nursing home conglomerate here in NC went ballistic. They said it was ‘hurting their reputation’ So now the news will be suppressed. — SNARL

          I wonder just how much of the problem through out the USA is nursing home related. IN NY it was ~25% of the deaths were in nursing homes the last I checked a couple of weeks ago.

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          1. Remember – we can also trace some of the outbreak to Democrat rebellion against President Trump and virtue signalling toward the Chinese – calling for people to carry on and go about their business.

            THE FIRST AND WORST outbreaks were Democrat Sanctuary cities and strongholds.

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            1. ….also airlines/major air hubs – and cruise ships and port cities.

              New Orleans went ahead with Mardi Gras and had a huge special Mardi Gras cruise ship with thousands of passengers from all over the world to disembark for the festival.

              Miama may have been infected by New York snowbirds, cruise ship passengers and the Super Bowl crowd.

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  4. I have 3 words: COLOR OF LAW. It doesn’t matter whatever rules or twisting of the state constitution is being employed, our guaranteed rights under the U.S. Constitution take precedent. Someone or some group, i.e., a church, will have to protest, and actually file articles with the DOJ. Those procedures have been listed by other people in various posts, primarily giloo, and I believe FG&C also did.

    It’s only a one page document that needs to be filed. Someone or some organization needs to file in order for the DOJ to take action. The DOJ cannot just step in without reason, the law does not work that way. That is the way of a dictatorship. If more than one group can organize, protest, document rights being infringed and file, that will give more ammunition to the DOJ

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          1. Yes, exactly.

            After the Word of God, the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence were the greatest governing documents ever written.

            I believe it was by the help of God, that our nation’s forefathers got those documents written and accomplished.

            It’s amazing to find out how much discussion of God there was in SCOTUS cases in the 1800s. I’ve been thru many of those cases.

            Was there confliction amongst our first forefathers in the process? You bet. But they got it done.

            The end result was magnificent…so it pains me and many others that the progressive murder machine of the left, whose all holy grail is abortion, homosexuality and climate change…
            are stomping all over these past great documents of liberty, truth and justice for all…

            …and now, they are using their MOAB/cv19 device to attempt to bring the whole house of our nation down…

            Believe me when I say…

            This is their pre-planned hail Mary pass after everything else failed.

            But there is a God in Heaven who knows all their secrets and is about to spill all their beans and guts and splatter them out in the open for the whole world to see.

            Read the book of Daniel and Esther for a refresher course about how God sees the evil devices of the wicked and then intervenes and brings evil to greatest shame and utter humiliation.

            We have only a few “minutes” left before all universal hell breaks loose.

            Orion is the Constellation of War. Be watching to see what God and its Creator does with it.

            7 Stars
            7 Eyes
            7 Lights of Fire

            The belt of Orion was always in the plan of God to prophetically warn the whole world of the coming Apocalypse. He tightens and increases its Belt and will make scientists very afraid, very, very afraid.

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            1. Complaint for Valerie as author, number THREE.

              Contact https://akismet.com/contact and pick the 4th item. Give them these two URLs. Tell them I want you WHITELISTED on my site, or I will do another article critical of Akismet, and revealing that they are hiding moderating psych AI in WordPress’s spam engine.

              https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491385

              https://wordpress.com/comment/wqth.wordpress.com/491385

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              1. Nothing! You’re simply not ME. I believe it’s because I’m the admin, that Angelle can post on my threads without going into spam.

                The complaints are to Akismet. Angelle has to complain to Akismet FOR EACH AUTHOR, or he can’t post on their threads without going into spam. On average, it takes about three complaints for an Akismet-discriminated person to get resolution, and it only works for the authors whose posts get complaints.

                Several people here were “run off the site” by Akismet! It’s a very sneaky form of censorship.

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            2. “abortion, homosexuality and climate change…” another key element:
              Usurpation & destruction of the nuclear family; the keystone of universe organization. This is why I believe the full dimension of this conflict finds its origin in the father of lies.ergo…Ephesians 6:11

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              1. You get it.

                Jesus identified the hypocritical Pharisees as doing the works of devil, the father of lies.

                His lies are reproduced in his “offspring”, the children of lies and the darkness. Men love darkness rather than light…they don’t want their evil deeds openly exposed and brought out of the shadows of darkness into light.

                The nuclear family as Gof designed it, father, mother, children, indeed was and is a universal, holy organization….and what a highway of hell society has walked that has destroyed that. Culture, academia, media are all corrupting partners spawned by hell to have gotten that mission accomplished

                A majority of the lip-professing church doesn’t even begin to discern and recognize the wiles of the devil.

                Great reply comment! 👍👍👍

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            3. Very interesting. I thought Orion was “the Hunter”…perhaps it depends on the culture.

              Here are the only mentions of Orion in scripture, NIV used here:

              Job 9:9 He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south.

              Job 38:31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt?

              Amos 5:8 He who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns midnight into dawn and darkens day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land— the Lord is his name.

              When I was a teenager, not long after my grandma had died, my father took my entire family plus his widowed dad to a “fly-in fishing trip” on a lake North of WaWa, Canada. On day 2 of the week we started being pestered by a black bear. One time my next youngest brother, 2 years younger, & I were laying on the end of the dock. Maybe it was later in the evening for I was singing this song “Orion is arising, you can see his stars a’blazing in the middle of a clear-eyed country sky”.

              Well, that pretty large bear, at least 8 feet tall when on his hind legs, came onto the dock from shore. He lumbered out to check the stringers to see if any fish were attached. It was strange because it should have been very scary, but I had this calm sense of peace. I don’t think my mom observed the bear’s movements or she would probably have gotten pretty upset. We had no weapons to defend ourselves, just basic kitchen & fishing knives in our party but neither my brother nor I had such on our persons.

              It was funny but my dad went into warrior protector mode once that bear kept crashing our camp (neither he nor his dad had been in the military). Dad had been an Eagle Scout (I married one of those treasures too!) & had a lot of woodcraft etc. skills. It became quite the adventure the rest of the week to keep out of the bear’s way for he certainly didn’t mind being in our way. One time when we trolled past the cabin, the only “dwelling” on that remote lake we saw the bear helping himself to some of our food supplies that had been stored in the cabin & under one of the bunks. He’d torn apart a bag of peanuts to his utter delight, so that was what I named him, Peanuts.

              I’ll see if I can find the lyrics to that song…I have no idea where I learned it, but it still comes to mind when I see Orion, a favorite Constellation for this one who loves a Hunter & with him has made a small troupe of hunters. Funny there is even a book about ADHD titled Hunter in a Farmer’s World…hmm…

              Here’s Orion by James Zimmerman

              http://route66motels.com/Orion.wma

              Clickable link above & more here: https://redforkhippie.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/folk-thursday-orion/

              I learned a slightly different set of lyrics than those captured below:

              “Orion is arising
              lets get a written record of this song! Frankie, our daughter, wanted us to sing it over and over yesterday! I learned it in 4th grade music class way back in 1977-78. My sisters and i LOVED that song! I still do!

              Orion is arising

              Orion is arising
              You can see his stars ablazing
              Way out here in the middle of a deep blue country sky.

              And still what is amazing
              You can see his stars ablazing
              Way out here where nothing hides it from my eyes.

              And sleeping outside in a bag as a kid
              It seems like the best thing that I ever did

              And chasing the shadows
              and the tracks in the snow
              Don’t you know?

              The world is getting older
              and I really start to wonder
              why we’re clouding all the country skys to gray

              The world is getting colder
              I can hear it in the thunder
              and the rain may come and chase us all away!

              And sleeping outside in a bag as a kid
              It seems like the best thing that I ever did

              And chasing the shadows
              and the tracks in the snow
              Don’t you know?

              The moon is on the wane
              And it looks like it might rain
              Or maybe snow.

              And how are we to stay here
              When there’s no room left to play here
              Or to grow
              Don’t you know? Don’t you know?

              Speedracer adds: Google helped me find the back-story, along with reminiscences of a lot of Gen Xers.”

              https://bartobreezy.blogspot.com/2007/07/lets-get-written-record-of-this-song.html

              Well, that’s not very deep nor necessarily spiritual, but it is a bit nostalgic–at least for me 😉 Blessings!

              Wow I’m listening to Streets of Gold on ClassicChristian247.com as I’m composing this reply & who comes on but (Steve) Crumbacher performing “Once in a Heartbreak”. He was one of my old ORU roomie’s best friends. I even got to see/meet him & his band in concert on a break at my roomie’s home in LA area–ironically I was mistaken for the band manager! This was the first & only time that I actually encountered a Christian Dance Club. Fun times. Talk about nostalgia!

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              1. Orion has what they call a sword, that is, at about the 7:00 clock position below the 3 star belt…and as I understand, that area is an immense and vast part of space that defies our normal perception of what we see in our skies at night.

                A sword is more for warfare than for hunting.

                The Lord is called a Man of War.

                3 stars in that belt will become 7…overnight.

                Remember Jesus prophecy in Luke…terrifying sights in the heavens.

                Can you imagine the fear of scientists to see that in a 24 hour period that belt would show 7 bright stars instead of 3…

                Most people know that the light we see from stars is not current, taking years to reach us. So if Orion’s belt suddenly manifests 4 new stars of light, that would mean the Creator has moved them much closer to us overnight. A very frightening thing to standard science, some of which God is getting ready to blow away and disturb commonly believed principles.

                It fits into the coming Apocalypse.

                And all the other stars of Orion’s framework will be brighter…God demonstrating the truth of Psalm 19 and New Testament prophecy.

                7-7-7

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              2. Fascinating, I hadn’t heard this before. I’ll need to tell Michael to check this info out. He’s the real end times keeper around here. This will give him some new trails to go on the hunt with 🙂 Thanks!

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              3. You won’t find the 7 stars in the Scriptures.

                This was something that came to me in that great experience with the Lord in 1985. He is free to reveal things to come anytime He wants.

                JESUS Himself said that the Holy Spirit would guide us in all truth and show us things to come.

                He didn’t write everything and every detail He was going to do in the last days, but He gave us the framework of the Scriptures to open our hearts and eyes to things He would expound upon, none of which things would ever be contrary to Scripture. Psalm 19 is a good example. The heavens utter their speech…

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    1. Yes, if we can “package” it clearly & concisely it might be worth sharing it widely in our churches, synagogues, & even other faith groups/leaders. How are charitable entities faring during these lockdowns; are they covered by 1st Am.? at least the religious ones?

      So the Color of Law needs to be at the top too or at least made to stand out from the crowd.

      Maybe when we get through with the “best” version of the crucial info pared down, it can be turned into a blog post/page? with the words as clickable links that open up to the more expanded info…

      Clues for how to make that happen will have to be solicited when this post has been more refined, imho. Thanks!

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      1. How to embed a url link.
        > This is a ‘Close’ angle bracket. When it is pointing in the opposite direction it is an open angle bracket.

        If I do open bracket, info closed bracket WordPress takes that as a command and executes that command so I can not use the angle brackets. Therefore I will use a sq. bracket [ for open angle bracket and sq. bracket ] for close angle bracket.

        For example to bold a word use [b]BOLD[/b] and you get BOLD

        To put a quote in italic [i]ITALIC[/i] and you get ITALIC

        For a block quotation: (Place on separate line)
        [blockquote] Fauxi and Gates should be indicted.
        General Flynn should be made whole. [/blockquote]

        Fauxi and Gates should be indicted.
        General Flynn should be made whole.

        To embed a url link the command is:

        [a href=””][/a]

        [a href=”https://wqth.wordpress.com”]Wolfie’s Blog[/a]

        Substituting the angle brackets for the square brackets I get:

        Wolfie’s Blog

        You can practice here on Wolfies test page:
        https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/wordpress-akismet-censorship-test-page/

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        1. Thanks so much for this info!!! I’ve saved it in a place where I hope I won’t forget to access it 😉 Especially when attempting to re-format & streamline this post. My kingdom for an html brain!

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        2. [i]I’ve always wondered how to do those things.[/i] [b]Thanks so much![/b]

          [blockquote]Gates is a threat to mankind[/blockquote]

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      1. Valerie,
        A suggestion,
        Perhaps two separate posts. One is the nutritional armor we have gathered and the second is the political information about this ‘bio-weapon’ Whether it is natural or not the Chinese and the DNC/Elite are using it as a WEAPON against our Constitutional rights.

        Try to keep the nutritional information down to as concise a bit of info we can so we can hand it out to friends, family and neighbors. (I was trying to put this together for a neighbor.)

        KNOW you can armor yourself via the food you eat and supplements you take will alleviate a lot of the fear.

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        1. I’m trusting Val to do what she thinks best in terms of organizing this. People should feel free to offer suggestions, but ultimately authors here are free to do things as they like, within the minimal requirements (now) of no competing open threads which divide the community too strongly – particularly into long-lasting crisis psychology.

          All that said (preface), I think you’re suggesting things in the right general direction – over time – of breaking things up into different topics. Good! Thanks!

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        2. That’s a good suggestion. I was thinking of only loosely linking to the nutritional stuff, because I personally don’t have as good of a handle on it.

          Also, I was thinking that every post & sub-post might have a reference & description of Daughn’s last CV post so people can dive as deeply into that aspect as they want…

          Every sub-post would also have the link back to the main post & maybe key info, like color of law. This would be because it’s possible that a particular sub-post might be sent out & we want anyone on any page of this “monstrosity” to get back to the main post from which they could navigate to our compilations of crucial & pithy info.

          I was also thinking that some links could be reinforced w/ pointed tweets. But if the tweet alone was used for the source we might miss out on info when important voices are banned or silenced…grr…

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  5. Thank you, Valerie.

    NOW HEAR THIS:
    http://www.nytimes.com/
    Updated May 8, 2020
    By J. David Goodman, William K. Rashbaum, and Jeffery C. Mays

    “De Blasio Strips Control of Virus Tracing From Health Department”
    Purport:
    New York City Mayor BILL DE BLASIO has signed an order to remove the process of testing people for the Wuhan Coronavirus, and contact tracing of people who test positive for the virus, away from the New York City Health Department, and to transfer these to the city’s public hospital system, called HEALTH AND HOSPITALS, effective immediately. The move puzzled and angered officials of the Health Department.
    The move was apparently put in place IN SECRET on Thursday night, but was only acknowledged by city officials AFTER reporters from The New York Times got a tip about the change and contacted them. De Blasio then formally announced the change this morning at a news conference.
    It appears that the decision to move the program was made between De Blasio and DR. MITCHELL KATZ, the head of Health and Hospitals. NO officials from the Health Department were consulted in advance.

    HERE’S KICKER #1:
    It is also apparent that Health and Hospitals will ALSO be “supervising” the hotels and other facilities where people who test positive for the virus will be isolated and/or quarantined if this can’t be done in their homes (REMEMBER the statement by DR. LEVIN of Ventura County, CA, about people being removed from their homes for isolation “if the others in the home can’t keep the one bathroom clean.”).
    It is also a FACT that Health and Hospitals system, which runs the public hospitals in New York City, has been in “financial difficulties” even before the virus hit. TRANSLATION: Now that Health and Hospitals is taking over testing and contact tracing and supervising the people removed from their homes, THAT MEANS MORE MONEY for Health the Hospitals from the state and Federal governments.

    HERE’S KICKER #2:
    It ALSO appears that De Blasio and Dr. Katz will have the power (AND THE MONEY from the state and Federal governments) to HIRE what is termed “an ARMY OF 1,000 FOOT-SOLDIERS” to be trained to do the contact tracing.
    De Blasio made it clear that “contact tracing” will be TOTAL. (I heard De Blasio say this himself this morning on 710WOR, New York). This “army” will be ordered to trace EVERY person who had any contact with a virus-positive person.

    My opinion: It’s obvious that De Blasio was caught “with his pants down” regarding his disastrous performance in dealing with the virus outbreak in New York City — especially the nursing home situation. So now he thinks he can “redeem” his reputation by “GOING STALINST” about virus testing and contact tracing. I also believe De Blasio thinks he can use this latest power grab as “resume material” for a Cabinet position in a future DemCom administration.

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    1. Thanks for sharing this info about these extremely alarming developments. The thousand foot soldiers reminded me of how they’ve been referring to “contact tracing” in MI too. This activity is majorly Orwellian, especially when you consider that we’re basically dealing with a Flu that just needs some tweaking on the treatment & w/ the proper interventions is imminently survivable. Outrageous!

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      1. Another interesting development going on in NY is the new outbreak of 139 positive employees in a greenhouse in Madison County. What they are not telling you is there are only outhouses on the property for a bathroom and no real hand washing facilities. The employees are being brought in from other countries and being put up in motels and we are being told that this is to be expected at this time of year.

        https://www.ibtimes.com/new-hotspot-130-greenhouse-employees-madison-county-test-positive-coronavirus-2972070

        Children in NYC are coming down with Kawaski disease and they believe it is connected to the wuflu, a 5 year old died today.

        Former Gov. Pataki is calling for an investigation into how Gov. Cuomo is handling all of this. The other thing they are discovering is people were originally being told to call before you go to the doctor. The people who were calling were being told they were not sick enough to stay home and ride it out. They seem to be finding out that a lot of those people died because they were afraid to seek medical attention.

        I don’t know if it is available in WP but perhaps a sidebar for new information we want to pass along, then you could determine if it is worthy of a place (and where) on the thread where most people would have a chance to read it. It would also give you the chance to remove duplicates. The important information would stay together and the comments section would be together. The other thing I noticed from previously is the medications were put out on what is best to use – recently I noticed that cough medicine with dextromethorphan is no longer recommended and could actually make things worse. It is what I bought in the beginning and just recently saw on msn.com about it making things worse.

        Best of luck on this new thread.

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    1. Thanks for sharing this! I’m going to have to Actually read the links shared After I get some sleep & before attempting the First Revision of this Post, God Willing 🙂 What an intriguing title for an article…hmmm…

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  6. This is just what is needed!!!!!

    I ranted against pastors today on Twitter.

    If they are given tools to know and preach the truth, perhaps they won’t get caught so flat-gooted next time. In case anyone hasn’t seen this, it’s a very pertinent timeline and shot of truth by an awake pastor.

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          1. Hoped you’d see it & appreciate it…Oh & on that funny movie list add:
            Men In Black
            Rain Man
            50 First Dates
            Mr & Mrs Smith (great, though violent metaphor for marriage–we massively movie quote from it around here & probably watch it more than once a year).

            A beautiful, though not funny movie, is the Guernsey Island Potato Peel Pie & Literary Society (that’s close to the correct name)…It’s on Netflix & well worth your time. Blessings!

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    1. A couple of things worth noting about the video…Danny Jones is Pastor of Northlake Baptist Church in Gainesville, Georgia.
      This church has in the neighborhood of 250 members. This video is currently at 445,000 Views. The video of the full service is currently at 290k views.
      When I watched the video about 10 days ago it was at 77,000 views. The videos of earlier services were on the order of 230-250 views. Some of those earlier videos are now on the order of thousands of views.
      (I also enjoyed his Easter service)
      Pastor Danny Jones has definitely struck a chord!

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  7. Thanks – this is moving in the direction I had originally hoped for – AWAY from a daily thread format. And it will need to keep moving away from it. I will keep you informed of my requirements as we go.

    Expect the same orders I would have given Daughn, only more blunt, because I suspect that you can take orders better.

    The editorial direction MUST move to more specific corona and recovery topics and reporting, and AWAY from corona-porn mind-warping attractors. VICTIM PSYCHOLOGY is being rooted out. Thankfully, I’m seeing that here today. You folks are learning to FIGHT BACK. Just like I had to.

    This is a MILITARY OP. Expect bumps as we change the posters in the barracks. Your favorites will change unexpectedly. Familiarity will die and piss you off. And I will like it, kinda, not really, but I’ll know it’s right.

    This is – if we’re all being honest here – a general thread of the same nature as the coronavirus daily open. Don’t kid yourselves. However, the BREAK-UP of the daily is having the desired psychological effect.

    Wolf is happy. He’s just warning you all that MORE TRAINING IS COMING.

    Have a nice day, troops.

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    1. Heck, Wolfie – I was enjoying this thread and now you come along with threats and rules! Are you going to make this place more like CTH where we have to tippy toe and worry about whether our comment fits a certain topic framework?

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      1. Actually, this is a really good point. So let me elaborate.

        The way I run this place is that I generally don’t give a damn where people post what comments. This leads to a natural flow that ends up being dependent almost entirely upon WHAT AUTHORS DO – OR DON’T DO.

        Which puts a lot of responsibility on THEM.

        Now, the next point is that I prefer to do as much logistics as possible “out in the open”.

        Which is perfectly exemplified by what I was just doing – explaining the big picture of where things have to go. To everybody. Right here. In the open. To the people most affected and/or responsible. That’s just the way I do things.

        I don’t want the big picture goal (MAGA, including Trump winning in November, justice, rule of law, restoration of honest government) to be undermined by taking the approach of focusing on smaller and potentially deceptive issues that don’t yield it.

        So it’s a lot easier for me to come right out and say “just don’t let this become what I just got rid of” than to “tippy toe” around that incredibly obvious and important issue.

        So – in answer to your question – no – I have no intention of making this place anything like CTH.

        However, like CTH, and any other blog which has not succumbed to enemy psychology, the primary focus of this place will not be COVID-19. Bigger still, I don’t want to frame recovery from the standpoint of COVID-19, as much as anti-hoax, anti-Democrat, anti-CCP.

        The enemy has hypnotized us – has mind-controlled us – with this virus release.

        I will fight the enemy-imposed psychology. No protestations that I see as defending that psychology, will have any effect on me.

        If people here REALLY see virtue in the “controllavirus” graphic used as the header of this post, then the first person to get out of that control is YOURSELF.

        Have a great weekend. 😎

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        1. The situation is still in flux and the battle is still on. We still have 4-500 new patients in GA and FL. We see trials and data being reported with bias. The WHO is now throwing out socialist Planned Parenthood sex ed propaganda for young children.

          I really appreciate hearing from other QTreepers about all this. It’s such a nice not to have this topic tangled up in everyday chatter and Pelosi’s latest doings.

          However, if you still want only two threads for whatever reason, so be it. I’ll save the news about the disease/s, treatment and disease effects on my computer though I’m no Gail Combs. Your reports of the longterm effects of the CV like disease on your breathing was very helpful and valuable.

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          1. Clarification – 4-500 new patients per day in GA and FL – but that is going down despite increased testing.

            There was a new outbreak of over 100 cases in NY state – in a greenhouse complex where foreign laborers had poor sanitation conditions and close quarters.

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          2. I’m leaving it up to Valerie how she wants to do this. I’m really only concerned with the biggest and most high-level picture – that CV not “take over”, and I think that is totally under control now and clear to everybody. And WORKING! 😎

            Flattening the attention curve. That’s all.

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        2. WQTH Boss:
          “I don’t want the big picture goal (MAGA, including Trump winning in November, justice, rule of law, restoration of honest government) to be undermined by taking the approach of focusing on smaller and potentially deceptive issues that don’t yield it.

          So it’s a lot easier for me to come right out and say “just don’t let this become what I just got rid of” than to “tippy toe” around that incredibly obvious and important issue.”

          Dear Boss,
          Is this code for C4 (comment count competition concerns) and are you issuing tacit rule/warning that virus-related comment count must not exceed or equal the comments on the daily thread/s so the others won’t get jealous, grump, bother you?

          WQTH has two daily news threads Fleps being primarily focused on politics, the wall and news of the day, and the other Daily thread being news plus community chatter, puppies, kitties, songs, jokes/memes, art and prayer time. Together, they dwarf the comment count of this thread and always exceeded it.

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          1. I can’t really come up with any simple rule here that I want to stick with, or that would make sense or be useful, except to say that I’m definitely NOT a comment counter, and warn people that comment counting often leads to trouble. To me, the comment counters can be misled. It’s a simplistic view that can get us into trouble.

            Say we have a big week where Trump deals with CV issues, and the path forward is aggressively concerned with CV. That’s GOOD. Positive psychology, CV = MAGA. We want that exploding on all the threads. Who gets credit? EEEK – keep that horrible question AWAY!!! Stop counting comments. FIGHT!!!

            The next week, enemy positioning and success makes CV concerns a toxic distraction, while other opportunities are being missed. In that case, CV = -MAGA. I’m not going to provide oxygen to even the most necessary CV posting, ALTHOUGH IT *MUST* GO ON! Awareness is good. Concern – maybe not so much. Complicated business.

            It’s rough. Again, the isolation in a separate thread is a good idea to keep others away from potentially controlled thinking, so having separate CV thread is wise.

            This is not simple, and I’m not going to spend TOO much time explaining, because there is lots of fighting that needs to be done. I hope people learn to follow my lead on ATTACKING THE ENEMY – not so much on being the drill sergeant here, as we only need one. 😉

            I am TRUSTING Valerie to “do the right thing” with a high level directive. The general tone of her post here is clearly exactly what is needed. STRENGTHEN the psychology of those who are most victimized by the fear, doubt, etc. Knowledge does that. And following Trump’s lead is important on this. VERY important. Watch his tweets!!!

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            1. Wolfie – It just came to me that Valerie stayed up all night working on this post – and then you come up with this threat to do all this stuff. Think how it made her feel. She’s got a stressful life with her kids….but she went way beyond the call of duty to summarize where we are and what we know.
              I don’t see how following the science and reopening, restarting is taking away from MAGA or that we are ‘victimized by fear, etc.

              Seems like you and Wheatie aren’t happy with multiple threads on the roll – but then you just started a whole nuther one.

              That and your explanation above only confused me further.

              Oh well – thanks for a great blog.

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              1. 4174
                Video Meme: COVID-19 Used to Control You
                Q
                !!Hs1Jq13jV6
                9 May 2020 – 1:16:01 PM

                Difficult truth.
                Q

                *****************

                This is the Q Tree. It’s not a coronavirus support group. I am simply setting boundaries.

                I need you to explain THIS, because it seems untrue to me:

                “Seems like you and Wheatie aren’t happy with multiple threads on the roll – but then you just started a whole nuther one.”

                What, exactly, is the “whole nuther one?” Are you talking about the Zelenko article or Val’s stuff? If Valerie’s articles are striking you as a “whole nuther one”, being another open thread, then maybe we need to stop and rethink this.

                Please feel free to spell out your thinking.

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              2. Wheatie suggested that if you weren’t happy with so much attention to the virus, maybe putting Valerie’s (and all future virust threads?) on the sidebar as a matter of placement. Then you posted another new thread – the Zelenko thread. Just trying to figure it all out – what you want and what Wheatie wants. Also thinking of Valerie’s point of view. I’m thick when it comes to interpersonal, interoffice and other kinds of protocol.
                Sorry to be a bother.

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              3. Good. It’s just some confusion about the complexity of what I’m envisioning.

                Remember – my sole requirement, so far, is simply “no second daily open thread”. It is my belief that getting rid of that will, for the most part, fix things.

                First, about Wheatie’s suggestion of using the sidebar. I liked that, because it means that the people who want to get to coronavirus-related threads quickly (like you) have a handy access point. Links can be in the list itself, or in some of the linked articles – I don’t care, really – I’m leaving the specifics up to Valerie, who seems interested in doing this.

                Valerie is free to organize what she’s doing however she wants. The sidebar access (which I just built – coronavirus has its own category – a deceptive “specialness” which actually contains the problem) and the limitation of no daily open thread bound the problem so that it will be outside my concern, I’m pretty certain.

                I will reorg the sidebar as needed. I see what I did there as a starter.

                Now – about my Zelenko article.

                This is part of my plan to BREAK THINGS UP as we move OUT of this stuff over time.

                The WORLD is going to touch on coronavirus, and I have no intention of making the rest of the world subsume to the topic. I will have dozens of attack articles coming on all sorts of topics – some may be considered “coronavirus” by others. Some not. Some borderline.

                If Valerie or others wish to categorize MY or any other articles as “coronavirus”, they are free to catalog them in some kind of bibliographic post – I think that may be the best way to deal with my stuff, for those who want to categorize things and construct a coronavirus subworld (I jokingly called it the “Coronavirus Matrix” in the hover-text on the category). However, I personally refuse to add my own articles to the sidebar. They are NOT key posts – they’re daily reporting. I think it would be far better, if somebody wants to keep track of them, to record them in some sidebar-listed bibliographic post. I’m not going to do it. That is part of my push-back on the psychological attacks of the enemy.

                I really feel this sidebar solution is a good one. Controllavirus is being controlled. I like it. 😎

                Now – as far as “what Wheatie wants”. Wheatie can suggest things, just like you, just like Valerie. I may or may not follow any suggestion that anybody makes. People here should not mistake the fact that Wheatie tends to make suggestions that I like with any special status. All authors here contribute in unique ways, and I rely on each of their skill sets, and specific skills which are greater than the other authors. Wheatie is trusted for some things. Daughn for others. Dep Pat for still others. Carl for others still. And now Valerie. Everybody has some skills and lacks others.

                Without getting too personal about things, I think Daughn made a huge error in thinking that Wheatie had any special overall status that she didn’t. This is why I keep lightening it up by calling her “Brenda Starr” – one of my favorite comics as a kid. Brenda Starr doesn’t worry about what some C-level assistant to the Editor thinks. She runs in and says STOP THE PRESSES. 😀

                Anyway, we’re moving on. If Daughn comes back, great – if not, I’ll support her in whatever she does.

                Now – I’ve got TWO STORIES that need to make tomorrow’s morning edition. Probably only going to be one of them, if I’m lucky.

                We really ARE the news now!

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              4. Stay on Target & dance out view of the targeting drones (not referring to Any Q-Treepers) just TPTB who would dearly love to stop you revealing Whatever the Wolf is scenting, tracking, & exposing to the Light. Happy Hunting!!

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              5. My point of view, to some degree, was my original intent, to “crowdsource” the brain trust of the Q-Tree to create a Truth-Bomb suitable for dissemination to our associates with layers of the rabbit warren so as not to overwhelm those who can only be red pilled but not Red Pilled nor RED PILLED.

                I wasn’t trying to stir up CV controversy or re-visit/continue Daughn’s tremendous volume & style of work in this arena. I’m hoping to have something my husband would be comfortable in sharing with people he knows…which means I’ve got Lots of work to do to pare things down to where he’d appreciate it! The man still dreams that I’ll speak to him in bullet points!!! LOL

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              6. Oh Wow, GA/FL your mama bear warrior’s heart is on full display here, & I thank you for being Sensitive to where I Might be & for standing up to any perceived injustice. What an inspiration for us all!

                I in no way have been having my feelings hurt, at least not yet, with how things are developing w/ me in a fledgling authorship role here at the Q-Tree. It’s All Good right now & Wolf has every Right & Responsibility to manage His Blog as He sees fit 🙂

                “Valerie stayed up all night working on this post” so that May be true, but functioning better in the night has been a trait of mine for Many Years now. The Only time I can have near uninterrupted time to work on things that require concentration & attention to detail is when everyone else I live with is asleep, or otherwise sufficiently occupied. The nature of Josiah & how his autism presents around here is that he Always wants attention immediately & Never checks in to see if it’s a good time to just barge in & interrupt.

                He does it if we’re watching TV or a Movie, he does it when I’m listening to Rush or Sean, he does it when I’m online & my fingers are flying furiously over the keyboard trying to capture a thought before it’s gone (they don’t stick around as easily now as they used to). If something’s going on that doesn’t possess a Pause Button it is an extreme frustration when he barges in…sigh…we’ve tried to help him in this arena but it’s mostly to no avail 😦

                More than a decade ago we ended up having a special ed case on his behalf. I remember we were in an IEP (Individualized Educational Planning) meeting & the different staff were giving reports on how J had been doing for the school year. The regular ed teacher, required by special ed law to be in the IEP, was giving her report so I zeroed in on some things.

                We’d been fighting the “system” from the beginning of him going to school in our home district. They consistently tried to segregate & marginalize him (& likely other special needs kids) & only allowed him to be “educated” with non-disabled kids in the blow-off classes of art, music, gym, lunch, & recess. Well, at that point he was able to read “on grade level” & so I’d successfully lobbied them for him to be getting reading instruction in the regular classroom, or so I thought.

                During this IEP, under my questioning, it came to light that Josiah was sitting in the room during reading instruction with the regular ed. class. However the reg teacher said that he was Actually working on a stack of reading style homework from the special ed class during that time, not reading & learning with regular peers. I hit the roof because they were Still not educating him in an inclusive manner, not in truth but only in superficial pretend ways…

                Anyway that realization pushed me to the place of filing a Due Process Hearing Request to attempt a redress of grievances (having tried the other “lesser” steps over several years, all to No Avail). At that point I really began to shift even more into night-time intensive research & prep for the Many battlegrounds that special ed attempted dispute resolution process demanded, at least from my perspective.

                I’ve never really completely shifted out of that intensive “work” at night lifestyle. So, frankly it’s not really “fair” (I pretty much hate that word now) to blame Wolf for my personal lifestyle choices, including working through the night. I was just so happy to have the post in a semi-publishable state before too many hours of the new day had passed that I chose to put it out “as is” just to see how things would develop.

                I’m still on a Big Learning Curve in the authorship domain, let alone in just trying to absorb, as much as possible, the many wonderful things & people & aspects of knowledge that can be found in Wolf’s Q-Tree.

                So please don’t be offended on my behalf. I am not threatened or offended by any of Wolf’s moves or decisions, whether they are directed at me specifically or the Wolf Pack in general. Truly, it is all good 🙂

                Thank you for being concerned enough to speak out on your areas of concern for how Wolf is choosing to run things. Not from a protecting me perspective, per se, but with a long time Q-Treeper voice whose wisdom, insights, & opinions are highly valued & so important within this Glorious Free Speech Haven!!!

                By the way, if you, or anyone else, are interested in some of those special ed battles this post might be revelatory:

                https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/02/18/commenting-on-only-the-rich-will-have-rights-article/

                This post has a fairly recent photo of Josiah & a list of links related to his life at the end. It’s short & pretty easy to process:

                https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/02/01/unexpected-blessing/

                God Bless YOU & thanks for being such a Champion of & for integrity around here!!!

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    2. Thank you! I don’t fully understand, but that’s OK.

      I hope you like the concept of putting together an accessible, concise, yet expandable into a more comprehensive collection of Important Info.

      You have Absolute Editorial Control & feel free to use it, especially if it takes me too long to act on your requests or requirements. I’m along for the ride where the Wolf Pack runs Wild, Free, & True North!

      My hope for where this goes, for my part, is a tool to share with my husband’s church friends who are cowering in fear & sorrow…if it can be used by others, including tweaked by them for their own more targeted purposes so much the better!

      This is meant to ultimately be a giant but easy to process, after a manner, Red Pill, that can hopefully go down easier because people will control how deep they explore the rabbit hole based on which internal links they choose to click.

      Keeping tabs on it to periodically update the info seems like a good idea. I am Not Daughn & do not remotely possess her massive skill sets in numerous arenas. Once the format is more “finalized” I will need & desire Plenty of Help about what’s worth putting into an update…

      Hope this at least somewhat fits the bill, in the short term going forward.

      Thanks for helping to show us & teach us the way. Thank you for letting me be part of the process. I am Not Worthy but I Am Honored & frankly Humbled by this freely given gift! God Bless!!!

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    3. Just had a thought, boss…
      🤓

      Maybe a separate sidebar Heading, just for the ChiComVirus threads — as a resource location and thread-finder?

      That would include your ‘Going MacGuyver’ thread and ‘Qoronavirus Questions’ thread, too.
      There was some good info posted in those.

      A separate sidebar heading to serve as filing cabinet for the info?
      Like I said…just a thought.

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            1. It’s not my call…at all.

              It’s totally Wolf’s call to decide.

              I’m just a pointer.


              .
              I just point, fetch and dig…and occasionally offer up something to try.
              😏

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              1. My first dog, a puppy I saw born in the neighbor’s basement, who was also the runt of the litter, was half English Setter. Her father was the elusive Fence Jumper!

                We currently have a huskie mix female who’s the smartest, most playful, & most energetic dog we’ve ever had. She’s not fixed (yet) & we keep observing the dogs in the neighborhood who might be good potential father material. The problem is that they’re almost all de-balled, like so many modern “men”…hmm.

                The last time we had a litter of puppies was when our oldest was a toddler. Those are special memories of our son & 7 puppies, 3 sets of twins & one who looked almost exactly like their mother, who was a pure-bred German Shepherd but entirely golden with a silver belly & black muzzle. Our current dog has almost the exact same coloring.

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              2. Speaking of litters of puppies, Valerie, Wheatie – Years ago, a neighbor had a cute little lady beagle and when she had her first litter of puppies, there in the box was the spitting image of every male dog up and down the street and around the neighborhood! The look on her face was priceless, eyes rolled up like she was caught with the evidence, looking half ashamed, half proud.

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              3. Heheh.
                Poor thing, though…

                Something comes over female dogs when they’re in heat…and the males are attracted to the scent they put off.

                So they are vulnerable to getting mobbed when they are in season.
                😬😟

                When we had a female, we were always protective of her and kept her in when she was in heat.

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              4. Well, our dog was allowed to run Very Wild last weekend while 3 family members went hiking & camping near the family’s hunting shack. She LOVES being in the woods!!!

                Unfortunately she Was Not in heat. But I did wonder on the possibility if she might somehow have gotten knocked up from the local coyotes, or even better, an intrepid Lone Wolf. Little mixed “race” wild ones…moar to love…Can’t find a male with balls anywhere in town, referring to the local canine love-struck Lotharios of course!

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              5. That song came to mind, but I decided not to be ‘ugly’ as Mama used to say. I’m going to let sleeping dogs lie….and pray for grace to let go and let GOD handle it. I’ve already got enough on my plate.

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              6. Well “technically” I was responding to the mama dog description of a mass of puppies looking like Every male dog in the neighborhood… 😉

                Enjoy some down time & Mother’s Day Sounds like things might be heating up again soon, even on Monday perhaps. Blessings!

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        1. I think we have to fully support Barr to send American TROOPS into blue states (think JFK) to preserve religious liberty. If we can protect black girls going to school, we can protect Christian boys going to church.

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            1. We need people like you.

              And as I have shared with a few here of late, us men really do need our strong, godly women…

              Deborah, Queen Esther, Ruth, th women helped and provided for Jesus and His disciples…oh yeah! 🤗

              And any real man with a spirit of humility will admit it and be thankful for God’s gift and balance!

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              1. 😊 I am not fit to be in the category with those women, but I find that this gathering place seems to attract the fighter types, both male and female.

                A good thing, as the information war is raging and all hands are needed.

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              2. But maybe you are.

                God looks at us different than we do of ourselves at times and calls to the task anyway. E.g. Gideon…David as a young lad who God had Samuel choose over his more elite brothers.

                Just your statement alone about yourself witnesses humility to me. He said in Isaiah that he dwells with the humble and contrite. And in Peter…of a meek spirit. 🙂

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              3. This seems applicable right here, from my Other Q-Tree (1st) Post:

                So I was hoping to inspire discussion around a tree house style campfire so I’ll share a little more from Horus Rising where I felt that my own spirit was well represented, & perhaps many of you here as well, as adapted from page 68 of Horus Rising…

                “…only a weapon which questions its use could be of any value in that role…you need to have concerns…wit, and most certainly you need to have doubts. Do you know what a naysmith is?…In early Terran history…naysmiths were employed by the ruling classes. Their job was to disagree. To question everything. To consider any argument or policy and find fault with it, or articulate the counter position. They were highly valued.”

                https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/02/luna-wolf-pack/

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  8. Valerie,

    What type of WuFlu info should we post to this thread to be most helpful in meeting your goals?

    Next question is a bit tougher . . . maybe a Wolfie call here –

    What is the relation, with respect to WuFlu info, of this thread to the Daily Open thread? Should we double post, or not or sometimes? Just trying to figure out some of the things talked about with Daughn’s WuFlu thread.

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    1. The probable answer . . . “The editorial direction MUST move to more specific corona and recovery topics and reporting, and AWAY from corona-porn mind-warping attractors. VICTIM PSYCHOLOGY is being rooted out.”

      But WM, I’m a little short of what VICTIM PSYCHOLOGY is? I can guess, but . . . would you clarify?

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      1. I’ll do a larger post. I need to sleep right now. Bottom line is that if people are still in “crisis mode”, or worse still, “crisis mode = the new normal”, then they’re sucked up into the new imposed psychology.

        Here’s a test. I asked about getting antibody tested. Doc says I’ll hear instructions in a couple of weeks.

        If one can’t wait for that time to arrive, one is deep in the victim psychology.

        Then it just eases off from there. The longer one can wait after 2 weeks without caring, the less victim psychology.

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        1. Where does that place me when I’m telling my family that we are Not any of us getting any sort of testing unless/until someone is so sick that they really feel like they need that knowledge to get the proper treatment? Or if our employees are Forced into it (& even then I will be pursuing escape mechanisms from those unconstitutional mandates)…

          There’s been so much home treatment info in & around the Q-Tree that it’s unlikely that any of us, should we become “obviously” sick w/ presumed CV, would need to go to a Doc for help…& I’d like to keep it that way.

          Plus given MI’s contact tracing crap & extreme governmental totalitarianism the less Any of us are on anyone’s radar the better.

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          1. See? You’re leading the “crisis” – it’s not leading you. 😎

            That is where you want to be. If the “crisis” starts changing YOU on fundamentals that should not be changing, then something nasty is getting through.

            My standard – to my sailors…..

            “Are you capable of navigating AWAY from the Charybdis of coronavirus over-concern, without running straight into the Scylla of unprincipled disregard, and have you TESTED your sails and rudders to prove it?” says Odysseus Wolff.

            We are in the storm. Some yelling over the thunder and the roar of the whirlpool may be needed.

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      1. Will do later, probably in a big post. Until then, think WHIRLPOOL. What is sucking you in, what is getting you out?

        If it……

        makes you think that COVID runs your life
        makes you return for more, before normal news
        makes you worry more – more concerned
        makes you more dependent on others to act like you
        makes you worried that others DON’T act like you
        makes you comfortable with COVID
        makes you feel good when you hear bad news about COVID

        and much, much more.

        These are all signs that the negative psychology is working.

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        1. Thanks. Listening to the way people were bemoaning everything going on around them & to them & the level of fear & uncertainty ratcheting up (my husbands’ Bible study group pre-chatter) really made my heart ache. There are so many things that I know (& think I know) that could ease their suffering, potentially, but boiling it down to some type of accessible bottom line is where I personally come short. That’s why I was wanting help, for streamlining & separating Majors from Minors isn’t my strong suit.

          What things I share with my family regularly overwhelms them, & that’s me holding back Big Time. Trying to formulate something to share with other people even further afield who probably have mostly a steady diet of so-called main stream media, my deluge could overwhelm them.

          Think about the prisoners of the Nazi death camps who were liberated. They were literally starving & desperate for sustenance. However, when they ate & drank too quickly & too much too soon some of them literally died.

          We want to help set people free, not Red Pill them to Death. We want Neo & Trinity, not Cypher!

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    2. Not at all stepping in to give The Answer, but here is an answer that is my opinion…I don’t get double posting anywhere on anything/any thread unless it is something urgent like a quick note that the rally or press conference or POTUS has now gone live, just FYI to those reading the thread that might miss something of if something drastic happens like a quick news flash.

      Otherwise, those of us who scan all threads end up slogging through things multiple times. More importantly, double posting dilutes the synergy of the thread “conversation”. Sometimes some reply to the double post twice, sometimes some reply in one place and not in the other place because its hard to know if the people will see the reply to one reply or the other. Makes it messy and time wasting.

      I do see us post similar things on multiple days (which happens with popular topics & because we don’t all read all threads every day) & accidentally double posting on a later page something someone else has posted (we have all done it and I usually scroll and even do a quick search first to try not to post something someone else has already posted).

      Anyway, there will always be “hot” topics that are taking over the open thread that then sometimes get a dedicated thread. The nature of a “hot” topic is that its deemed important and people have a lot to say or at least Should have a lot to say so that we can synergize on the Hot Topic.

      And yet the Daily Thread is Very important – we never want to get so busy and focused that we don’t have friendly chat/fellowship as “friends” and we don’t want to ignore other events and issues despite a Hot Topic. Do we ignore WuFlu for Declass or ignore Declass for SCOTUS rulings on other issues? Of course, not. We need to always have an open topic. Hot Topics/additional threads, seem to me to be important and focused work/reading/info and yet we don’t ignore the rest even if the Hot Topic is busier on a given day because it is by nature “Hot”/urgent/the focus.

      My opinion but not my blog so I read and comment however it is set up. 🙂

      (And, yes, the irony is that I am talking about general/not WuFlu on the WuFlu thread).

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      1. For what it’s worth this , my 2nd Ever Q-Tree post, was Not, at least in my mind, meant to be a “WuFlu Thread” per se. I was seeking the help of the Q-Tree to synthesize & crystallize the key points of info to share with others who are misinformed & in fear. To help set their minds at ease & give them accurate info & point to certain tools, like Color of Law, that They can use to regain their own personal freedoms.

        I wasn’t in any way thinking of slipping into Daughn’s lane. I don’t know what Daughn’s & Wolf’s discussions, decisions, & diverging viewpoints were or are…frankly all of that doesn’t Really matter to me, necessarily, unless Wolf wants me more cognizant of any of it…

        When Wolf Allowed me to be an author he didn’t really mandate anything. He gave me a blank canvas & is letting me paint whatever picture or write whatever tale I choose, with no deadlines or time-frames. That freedom & lack of specific expectation actually works very well for me, & perhaps for the Q-Tree, because no one is actually Waiting for me to get my act together & put up the danged post!

        The discussion that lead to Wolf inviting me to be a Q-Tree Author can be found to start at his recent Biblical post…I’ll see if I can link to it, for all of our clarification…

        Oh, I serve as an author on Wolf’s Q-Tree blog, so he Always has final say, even if thus far he has been incredibly generous with the liberty he has allotted me as a non-scheduled random poster…

        https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/04/28/site-reorg-its-gonna-be-biblical/comment-page-2/#comment-480018

        Valerie Curren
        April 28, 2020 at 17:56

        “For what it’s worth, I’m willing to host/moderate a post if needed, though I don’t feel At All Qualified as most everyone else here is Way More Informed on virtually every topic. Also my organizational & motivational skills are sub-par…but if you Need a warm body, I’m willing though perhaps less than able 🙂

        Thanks, Wolfie, for all you do & facilitate here in the Q-Tree. You have created a dynamic refuge for so many here!!! God Bless YOU So Much…”

        Well, now I’m not sure where Wolf replied to me with his “terms” for being an author…but that at least from my perspective is My beginning point, being willing…Blessings

        & sorry for any distress or confusion putting up this post the way I did has caused you, no pain was meant…

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    3. Well my request was two fold, help in organizing what’s already in the post, including sorting the Majors from the Minors, & getting quality, factual, documented sources of info for others to check if they decide to learn more.

      As much as I enjoy pithy tweets I want to steer away from stuff coming across as hyper-partisan, which could scare off people who’s only source of info is the “main stream media”…Because the final result, at least as I envision it, is to be able to be shared widely, not just with those who share our humor & knowledge…

      “They’re the best of the best of the best…with honors…Captain America over there has no idea what you’re talking about”–Will Smith as James Edwards aka J in Men in Black…

      Ultimately it’s Wolf’s call, but as long he’s allowing me to shape this post into a tool to share, that’s what I was thinking of to answer your question…

      My quote above starts around 1:20 in the video…Fun!

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  9. While I still have time…

    A few lines from my “Letter to Rudyard Kipling”…in lieu of his great poem, THE GODS OF THE COPYBOOK HEADINGS, wherein he was basically saying…karma’s gonna be a bitch in its payback…

    If ur on ur phone, just do the sideway, flip around thing.

    The music I wrote this too may be a bit shocking and hard-driving, but it is what it is what it is…you can turn it off if you don’t care for it.

    Title of my poem:

    THE TABERNACLE OF A MODERN DAY DEMI-GOD

    “Washington DC is an unholy tabernacle of the worship of mortal, self-humanizing lies

    That becoming a New Tower of Babel, thought to redesign and present an agenda meant to maximize

    Its slowly evolving progression,

    Hidden from mortality’s stupidity over these last few years

    A dance of deceptive music that has aggrandized its political scratch for itching ears

    All too willing and even eager to worship other than God and sacrifice godly principles of truth and liberty

    For the lust of a temporary, self-gratifying appeasement of a device of lower soul synergy

    Being diplomatic and making concessions to the enemies of God to avoid that great conflict

    Of facing the reality of their own sins, lies, greed and pride which Heaven would constrict

    And expose that evil thing that is the darkness of the hearts of men and dogs in power

    Who thought to construct for their own defense against conviction their political martello tower…

    As if such tiny, finite breaths of mortal dust could rule their own world before the Creator’s First Perfect Design…”

    Ok, have run out of time here…

    This was one of 2 poems I put in my letter to Kipling…my reaction to his own great poem, THE GODS OF THE COPYBOOK HEADINGS. And if you’ve not read it please do.

    There was a long address to Kipling, long past, that preceded this poem part. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to fight with cranky U. WP to get the whole writing on my blog. Maybe one day, I’ll be able to the whole letter posted.

    Keep in mind that this was written in earlier BHO years, but more than ever aptly describes the machine of WDC today in light of its war against us and our POTUS.

    Be blessed and be viligent…and pay whatever price you have to for the good of all…headed there soon to do the same.

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      1. I appreciate your blessing as I am on my face, literally on my living floor, knowing it’s gonna take another measure of the grace of God…since I am not the young, healthy man I was years ago…

        But God tries to tell us that our personal cirumstances, age, health…don’t mean anything to Him. This was Moses’s mistake at the burning bush, trying to tell God he couldn’t do it…but God wasn’t asking him to do it in his own strength…and he made the Lord angry…….O, I pray, I don’t make that same mistake going ahead now…it is not any of us in our own strength that will get our individual missions and calli gs accomplished…if we have to be humbled to use and break pitchers….so be it…let us bow low before God to bless us to go and do our duty.

        🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹

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        1. Spirit of Caleb Arise!!!

          Numbers 13:30 Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, “We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.”

          Numbers 14:24 But because my servant Caleb has a different spirit and follows me wholeheartedly, I will bring him into the land he went to, and his descendants will inherit it.

          Joshua 14: 6-15
          Allotment for Caleb
          6 Now the people of Judah approached Joshua at Gilgal, and Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite said to him, “You know what the Lord said to Moses the man of God at Kadesh Barnea about you and me. 7 I was forty years old when Moses the servant of the Lord sent me from Kadesh Barnea to explore the land. And I brought him back a report according to my convictions, 8 but my fellow Israelites who went up with me made the hearts of the people melt in fear. I, however, followed the Lord my God wholeheartedly. 9 So on that day Moses swore to me, ‘The land on which your feet have walked will be your inheritance and that of your children forever, because you have followed the Lord my God wholeheartedly.’[a]

          10 “Now then, just as the Lord promised, he has kept me alive for forty-five years since the time he said this to Moses, while Israel moved about in the wilderness. So here I am today, eighty-five years old! 11 I am still as strong today as the day Moses sent me out; I’m just as vigorous to go out to battle now as I was then. 12 Now give me this hill country that the Lord promised me that day. You yourself heard then that the Anakites were there and their cities were large and fortified, but, the Lord helping me, I will drive them out just as he said.”

          13 Then Joshua blessed Caleb son of Jephunneh and gave him Hebron as his inheritance. 14 So Hebron has belonged to Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite ever since, because he followed the Lord, the God of Israel, wholeheartedly. 15 (Hebron used to be called Kiriath Arba after Arba, who was the greatest man among the Anakites.)

          Then the land had rest from war.

          Footnotes:
          a. Joshua 14:9 Deut. 1:36

          Joshua 15: 12-20
          12 The western boundary is the coastline of the Mediterranean Sea.

          These are the boundaries around the people of Judah by their clans.

          13 In accordance with the Lord’s command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba, that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.) 14 From Hebron Caleb drove out the three Anakites—Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai, the sons of Anak. 15 From there he marched against the people living in Debir (formerly called Kiriath Sepher). 16 And Caleb said, “I will give my daughter Aksah in marriage to the man who attacks and captures Kiriath Sepher.” 17 Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s brother, took it; so Caleb gave his daughter Aksah to him in marriage.

          18 One day when she came to Othniel, she urged him[b] to ask her father for a field. When she got off her donkey, Caleb asked her, “What can I do for you?”

          19 She replied, “Do me a special favor. Since you have given me land in the Negev, give me also springs of water.” So Caleb gave her the upper and lower springs.

          Yes Lord, give Me the upper & lower springs!!!

          He Will make a Way!

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          1. Yes.

            It is to rise up rather than fall into the fear and doubt and mistrust of the Lord like all the others did that caused 40 years of wilderness wandering.

            Thank you, sister so much for this encouragement.

            I keep telling the Lord I am too old and broken for this…but He knows I really know better, that the power is with God and not in a man’s strength or the strength of a horses’ legs. The glory goes to God first and not to the natural strength, youth and skill of a man…or a Marine.

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              1. Ben Hur was a favorite of a woman I was closely associated with for years as one of the greatest intercessors prolly in the 1000 years. She could pray and get things done like Rees Howells.

                She wore that book out, knowing so much of what I was involved in and understood the correlation. Her prayers are more responsible for keeping me alive in many, many situations.

                When she passed in 2012, things got more difficult. The specific prayers she would write out and get specifically answered were astonishing.

                Can’t promise, but if I get a break, I will email you her prayer/poem we called the green prayer which she wrote out one night for me in deep, life-threatening distress. I still have every one of those prayers and get them out from time to time. They are all in the Lord’s Golden Bowl.

                She is in that great Cloud of Witnesses and I would not be surprised for the Lord to have let her see your comment about Ben Hur….which btw…Wallace set out to prove there was no God until he got into things that turned his whole world upside down…and then he wrote Ben Hur.

                Her other 2 fav stories were THE WIND IN THE WILLOWS…(that chapter…Piper at the Gates of Dawn with Ratty and Moley is amazing…) and she also loved Watership Down. She was one of the deepest spiritual people in the last 2000 years.

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              2. She sounds Wonderful. Hope to catch you both with a side of C. S. Lewis at one of those heavenly hangouts!

                What you said about that prayer in the Golden Bowl, well when Josiah graduated from HS we didn’t have a grad party that year because I thought he wasn’t done with services (we has a Special Ed “case” to try to finally secure what they were legally obligated to provide…sigh).

                Well Clarissa was a year behind so when she graduated we held a 3 way grad party at our church, our 2 kids & a friend who’s almost like a sister to our kids. Her mom catered the feast & lots of us put in sweat equity to keep the cost down. 🙂

                Anyway we had small tables to collect cards & gifts for each graduate. One “widow’s mite” gift to Josiah was something typed on one sheet of paper & slipped into an 8 X 11 envelope.

                This was a prayer & a Jesus’ Calling style declaration over Josiah’s life. It was written by a special needs lady from our church. She was protective of J if ever she heard me discussing any of My challenges in special needs parenting.

                Well Josiah will still at times pull out this Lord’s Love Letter to him & he’ll usually be moved to tears. This was definitely a “silver & gold have I none, but such as I have, give I to thee” kind of a gift–Priceless!

                Everyone has value in the Kingdom! What a treasure of memories you possess from this Saint who has already passed on to her Reward & Joy! What a Great Cloud of Witnesses are cheering you on!!!

                How timely that Margaret Becker’s Fight For God is playing right now!

                Here’s another one of hers that always speaks to me, but then I’m a bit of a rocker at heart!

                This one may also speak to you:

                God Bless You Mightily as you go forth in Him…

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              3. That is so sweet about Josiah.

                And yes, from least to greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven, the Lord’s tender care and love is equal across the grain of all of us. We are all members of His Body and no one of us can can look at any other of us and say I have no need of you.

                All you have to do is break or bruise a toe to learn that lesson. 😉

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              4. I think hers was the first Christian Rock concert Michael had ever attended (or else it was Randy Stonehill). I had the privilege of introducing him to that genre & now he keeps it alive in local Christian bands…

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    1. I’m going to copy those Bible passages you shared with me earlier, to encourage us all! Blessings.

      Psalm 20 New International Version (NIV)
      Psalm 20[a]
      For the director of music. A psalm of David.

      1 May the Lord answer you when you are in distress;
      may the name of the God of Jacob protect you.
      2 May he send you help from the sanctuary
      and grant you support from Zion.
      3 May he remember all your sacrifices
      and accept your burnt offerings.[b]
      4 May he give you the desire of your heart
      and make all your plans succeed.
      5 May we shout for joy over your victory
      and lift up our banners in the name of our God.

      May the Lord grant all your requests.

      6 Now this I know:
      The Lord gives victory to his anointed.
      He answers him from his heavenly sanctuary
      with the victorious power of his right hand.
      7 Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
      but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.
      8 They are brought to their knees and fall,
      but we rise up and stand firm.
      9 Lord, give victory to the king!
      Answer us when we call!

      Footnotes:
      a. Psalm 20:1 In Hebrew texts 20:1-9 is numbered 20:2-10.
      b. Psalm 20:3 The Hebrew has Selah (a word of uncertain meaning) here.

      New International Version (NIV)
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      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+20&version=NIV

      Verses 7 & 8 remind me of a song from the church of my youth.

      This whole passage is like a prayer for what you & Wolf (& perhaps Joe Blow) are setting out to do. Lord make Your Word living & powerful & protective of these precious brothers (& sisters) who are entering into new phases of battle. In Jesus’ Name!

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      1. What a precious offering of ministry for you to do this.

        All members of that great mystical body need encouragement. Heck, even hard-core Marines need it whether they want to break down and actually admit that. Gotta kick pride aside. 😉

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    2. Here’s the second Bible passage you shared earlier:

      Psalm 80 New International Version (NIV)
      Psalm 80[a]
      For the director of music. To the tune of “The Lilies of the Covenant.” Of Asaph. A psalm.

      1 Hear us, Shepherd of Israel,
      you who lead Joseph like a flock.
      You who sit enthroned between the cherubim,
      shine forth 2 before Ephraim, Benjamin and Manasseh.
      Awaken your might;
      come and save us.

      3 Restore us, O God;
      make your face shine on us,
      that we may be saved.

      4 How long, Lord God Almighty,
      will your anger smolder
      against the prayers of your people?
      5 You have fed them with the bread of tears;
      you have made them drink tears by the bowlful.
      6 You have made us an object of derision[b] to our neighbors,
      and our enemies mock us.

      7 Restore us, God Almighty;
      make your face shine on us,
      that we may be saved.

      8 You transplanted a vine from Egypt;
      you drove out the nations and planted it.
      9 You cleared the ground for it,
      and it took root and filled the land.
      10 The mountains were covered with its shade,
      the mighty cedars with its branches.
      11 Its branches reached as far as the Sea,[c]
      its shoots as far as the River.[d]

      12 Why have you broken down its walls
      so that all who pass by pick its grapes?
      13 Boars from the forest ravage it,
      and insects from the fields feed on it.
      14 Return to us, God Almighty!
      Look down from heaven and see!
      Watch over this vine,
      15 the root your right hand has planted,
      the son[e] you have raised up for yourself.

      16 Your vine is cut down, it is burned with fire;
      at your rebuke your people perish.
      17 Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand,
      the son of man you have raised up for yourself.
      18 Then we will not turn away from you;
      revive us, and we will call on your name.

      19 Restore us, Lord God Almighty;
      make your face shine on us,
      that we may be saved.

      Footnotes:
      a. Psalm 80:1 In Hebrew texts 80:1-19 is numbered 80:2-20.
      b. Psalm 80:6 Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text contention
      c. Psalm 80:11 Probably the Mediterranean
      d. Psalm 80:11 That is, the Euphrates
      e. Psalm 80:15 Or branch

      New International Version (NIV)
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      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+80&version=NIV

      Portions of this reminded me of other music from my youth. I’m trying to find a rendition of the music, but here is info about it: https://bkmusic777.blogspot.com/2017/01/chenaniah-it-filled-land-1979.html

      It can be downloaded from this link: Genre: Jesus Music Password: 2017

      http://www.mediafire.com/file/t9lity3wakn4ald/1977_-_It_Filled_The_Land.rar

      You can actually play “It Filled The Land” at this site, I remember the peppier part later in the song:

      https://myzcloud.me/song/54356654/chenaniah-it-filled-the-land-psalm-80-8-15

      Wow, this passage is very well aligned with your (presumed) DC mission. May God Restore Us, as a nation, & may He work His Will in & through each of us, in His own time & His own way. Blessings as you go forth and assist in the healing of the Breach.

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      1. Beautiful music.

        Going to DC is paramount in my prayer and hope..and He knows how long I have prayed for Donald Trump before he became POTUS. And then more so after the Lord defeated the progressive cheating machine. And, no HRC did not win the real actual popular vote.

        I still have hope for one more powerful move of mercy for our nation, something that became an intense thing in my heart before the Lord in 1984…yeah, that long ago…becauses visions He gave me back then terrified me.

        Sometimes we just gotta be a “Moses” and stand in the gap, even being willing to be blotted out as he was.

        One my biggest fears has been to become a dead-stone cold heart without mercy after seeing all the death and destruction I have. And I am not even including actual war.

        God forbid I would ever grow so cold.

        Habakkuk prayed, in the midst of wrath, have mercy. This is where I strain and struggle today.

        Psalms…to the merciful, He will show mercy…but also…(deep state)…to the devious, He will be shrewd.

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        1. “One my biggest fears has been to become a dead-stone cold heart without mercy after seeing all the death and destruction I have. And I am not even including actual war.”

          If this hasn’t already happened I think you can rest in His presence that’s it’s not gonna happen now.

          You’re like Russel Crowe in Gladiator, a simple man of the soil, one who loved the earth, & loved to bring forth New Life. Yet, he had been fashioned into a Mighty Weapon of War. You can, through Our Lord, be victorious in His Battles & eventually find that place of peace & rest, like Caleb, where you can inherit the land!

          Sing O Barren (wo)Man!

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          1. That’s what I keep hearing from that still quiet, Holy Voice…

            Of the times, even in the strength of my younger better days, I should have been dead 200 times…

            So His irresistible argument is….

            He is God all the time throughout our whole lives, from childhood to old age…so does His preserving power change just because we are older?

            He declares in Malachi…”I am the Lord and I do not change.

            NT version in Hebrews…Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

            We may change, age, whatever, but He remains the same all the time…His Name upon returning…

            FAITHFUL & TRUE

            I can assure you, no debate with God ever wins.

            I don’t want to win any debate with Him.

            I just want to be an obedient servant, low or high…

            Doesn’t matter, small or large cog in the Wheel of His will and purpose for this time of the Kingdom of Heaven to which many of us together have come this critical hour…even many here on Wolfie and Marica’s sites.

            Once done, then I and others can enter our rest.

            Until then…onward Christian soldiers…but only in the power of our God…….

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            1. Amen like Simeon in Luke 2, now let your servant go in peace…

              25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

              29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
              you may now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.
              30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
              31 which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:
              32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
              and the glory of your people Israel.”

              33 The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him. 34 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35 so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.”

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    3. Here’s the final Bible passage you referenced earlier:

      Isaiah 41 New International Version (NIV)
      The Helper of Israel

      41 “Be silent before me, you islands!
      Let the nations renew their strength!
      Let them come forward and speak;
      let us meet together at the place of judgment.

      2 “Who has stirred up one from the east,
      calling him in righteousness to his service[a]?
      He hands nations over to him
      and subdues kings before him.
      He turns them to dust with his sword,
      to windblown chaff with his bow.
      3 He pursues them and moves on unscathed,
      by a path his feet have not traveled before.
      4 Who has done this and carried it through,
      calling forth the generations from the beginning?
      I, the Lord—with the first of them
      and with the last—I am he.”

      5 The islands have seen it and fear;
      the ends of the earth tremble.
      They approach and come forward;
      6 they help each other
      and say to their companions, “Be strong!”
      7 The metalworker encourages the goldsmith,
      and the one who smooths with the hammer
      spurs on the one who strikes the anvil.
      One says of the welding, “It is good.”
      The other nails down the idol so it will not topple.

      8 “But you, Israel, my servant,
      Jacob, whom I have chosen,
      you descendants of Abraham my friend,
      9 I took you from the ends of the earth,
      from its farthest corners I called you.
      I said, ‘You are my servant’;
      I have chosen you and have not rejected you.
      10 So do not fear, for I am with you;
      do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
      I will strengthen you and help you;
      I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

      11 “All who rage against you
      will surely be ashamed and disgraced;
      those who oppose you
      will be as nothing and perish.
      12 Though you search for your enemies,
      you will not find them.
      Those who wage war against you
      will be as nothing at all.
      13 For I am the Lord your God
      who takes hold of your right hand
      and says to you, Do not fear;
      I will help you.
      14 Do not be afraid, you worm Jacob,
      little Israel, do not fear,
      for I myself will help you,” declares the Lord,
      your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
      15 “See, I will make you into a threshing sledge,
      new and sharp, with many teeth.
      You will thresh the mountains and crush them,
      and reduce the hills to chaff.
      16 You will winnow them, the wind will pick them up,
      and a gale will blow them away.
      But you will rejoice in the Lord
      and glory in the Holy One of Israel.

      17 “The poor and needy search for water,
      but there is none;
      their tongues are parched with thirst.
      But I the Lord will answer them;
      I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them.
      18 I will make rivers flow on barren heights,
      and springs within the valleys.
      I will turn the desert into pools of water,
      and the parched ground into springs.
      19 I will put in the desert
      the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive.
      I will set junipers in the wasteland,
      the fir and the cypress together,
      20 so that people may see and know,
      may consider and understand,
      that the hand of the Lord has done this,
      that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

      21 “Present your case,” says the Lord.
      “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
      22 “Tell us, you idols,
      what is going to happen.
      Tell us what the former things were,
      so that we may consider them
      and know their final outcome.
      Or declare to us the things to come,
      23 tell us what the future holds,
      so we may know that you are gods.
      Do something, whether good or bad,
      so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.
      24 But you are less than nothing
      and your works are utterly worthless;
      whoever chooses you is detestable.

      25 “I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes—
      one from the rising sun who calls on my name.
      He treads on rulers as if they were mortar,
      as if he were a potter treading the clay.
      26 Who told of this from the beginning, so we could know,
      or beforehand, so we could say, ‘He was right’?
      No one told of this,
      no one foretold it,
      no one heard any words from you.
      27 I was the first to tell Zion, ‘Look, here they are!’
      I gave to Jerusalem a messenger of good news.
      28 I look but there is no one—
      no one among the gods to give counsel,
      no one to give answer when I ask them.
      29 See, they are all false!
      Their deeds amount to nothing;
      their images are but wind and confusion.

      Footnotes:
      a. Isaiah 41:2 Or east, / whom victory meets at every step

      New International Version (NIV)
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      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+41&version=NIV

      This leaped out at me:

      4 Who has done this and carried it through,
      calling forth the generations from the beginning?
      I, the Lord—with the first of them
      and with the last—I am he.”

      The beginning & the ending, the Alpha & the Omega. Wow, those idols will fall & be as nothing. He alone is the King of Kings & the Lord of Lords!

      This post touches on that beginning & ending from a scriptural perspective.

      https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/08/27/living-water/

      He will make everything beautiful in its time.

      God Bless & God Speed!

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      1. These verses have been a foundational mainstay of spiritual strength for many of the Lord’s people under strain and duress, especially vs 10!

        Thx so much for putting all this here.

        Hopefully they will encourage some here who may be going through their own version of hell and agony!

        👍👍👍🤗🙂

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        1. Carl – Dr. Zelenko is in NY State – why didn’t Cuomo listen to him?

          Probably because of 1. political agenda, 2. hoping to cash in on emergency funds or 3. just plain Democrat ghoulish inhumanity – no respect for life – esp. the unborn and the elderly.

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          1. You gotta be really EVIL here. 1, 2 & 3, denying HCQ until hospitalization and requiring covid positive patients in rest homes be returned is nothing but evil. No lesser excuse is acceptable.

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            1. It is possible that the number of abortions are falling. The devil needs the blood sacrifices to keep it’s power. The alternative is the body of the elderly.

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        2. Could I suggest that perhaps the difference between the two is a difference in reporting recovered cases. With the supposed numbers in New York how could they possibly follow-up with out-patients to determine when they are recovered? Don’t know but would not be surprised if the only ‘recovered’ cases counted in NY were patients that were discharged from hospitals. In reality the only two possibilities for active cases is either recovery or death.

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          1. Difference in reporting and/or competence.

            The virus has revealed what sorry executives and managers some governors are – as Kushner pointed out.

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    1. Dang – they Go There … Paraphrased: models that had a connection to Bill Gates who has a financial interest in vaccinations…!!!

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    2. Thanks! ANYThing from HIllsdale has got to be good!

      Personal note, Josiah’s twin, Brandon, was Accepted into Hillsdale!!! Unfortunately we couldn’t scare up the funds to realize that dream 😦

      However, as I think you may have pointed out on that comment I posted (a copy of some of his FB remarks on Free Will, etc.) the other day, it looks like he still turned out OK 😉 Blessings!

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        1. Oh yes I was very proud & excited. It would have been wonderful to have even just one of our kids educated there! At least we All can get aspects of their quality education from their online offerings!

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  10. For red-pilling people you know in real life, I recommend keeping it as local and familiar as possible. Use the statistics from your county health department. Try to use local news outlets when possible. It’s easier for people to relate when you’re talking about home. Here’s an example using Washtenaw County (Ann Arbor). The quoted part is what I would tell people:

    “Washtenaw County has had a grand total of 1166 confirmed cases out of a population of 113,934 people. Less than 1200 cases out of 113K people since March. Washtenaw had 80 deaths, and 58% of those came from people over 80 years-old.”

    Source: Washtenaw County Health Department

    https://www.washtenaw.org/3095/COVID-19

    Bonus points if you can find a local news article mentioning nursing home deaths. I don’t mean to dismiss those deaths, but the media makes it sound like you’re going to die just from going to the grocery store when the reality is that most of the people dying are people living in nursing homes. The fear factor is lessened when you can get people to understand that.

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    1. Excellent point.

      I’m going to start selling the very heretical idea that RIGHT NOW, it’s safer for normal people to CATCH THE VIRUS and treat it, than to volunteer for a vaccine candidate.

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      1. This may sound odd…we expect to become infected eventually. We are preparing to have it eventually – Not intentionally, but eventually. As we go back to “normal” and it is circulating then, much like the flu, we will eventually become infected.

        Planning with that in the back of our minds as far as how we live our health life right now regarding foods, sanitation, supplements and keeping up with what is found out about the WuFlu, both how it works and what works against it.

        Trying to put it off as long as possible so that we know as much as possible to handle it but also so that perhaps by the time we “catch” it, people won’t be quarantined as I do not want to be quarantined and miss other medical treatments related to other medical issues and pain control.

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        1. EXACTAMENTE!!!

          We gamed an extremely complex equation by lengthening TIME. Many will now (their choice) catch the vaccine. Others will (possibly their choice, possibly not) catch the virus.

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          1. We don’t vaccinate but we take that choice seriously and believe that vaccinating and not vaccinating are equally serious choices and we Must be prepared to own the downside of our choices.

            Downside of not vaccinating a child (besides the rare complications that US healthcare can’t mitigate…dehydration, for example, is a killer in 3rd world countries but is easily mitigated in the US) includes being willing to say home for several weeks when the child is ill with contagious diseases and even just regular flu. We also take our child’s immune system seriously and have things on hand to help with illnesses/immune system.

            Vaccine or illness…both are a serious choice with downsides and neither should be chosen lightly.

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        2. Hmmm, this is something I had not considered. The focus has been on NOT catching it. But if there’s a good chance eventually you will – what can be done now in preparation to limit the damage. Something new to think about. Thanks MAGA Mom!

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          1. Note: we won’t catch it on purpose or expose ourselves purposefully or hope to get it. Just figure eventually we return to “normal” life and it will happen, maybe. We don’t catch the flu every year but we do sometimes. Same with WuFlu it one of the various strains is floating around.

            Motivated to be that much healthier, take our supplements (which we have modified slightly based on WuFlu such as Vit D & Zinc) and practice the health habits that we know. We are making sure to add zinc and have it on hand, eating ferments & bone broth daily.

            Another example: We have ordered tonic from fever tree and will include that in our routine but also keep a couple of cases extra/on hand to rotate through so we have extra if we actually get sick. We already make homemade “soda” and will now start using tonic water instead of carbonated water.

            Another example is adding beet powder to our shakes – helping the blood vessels strengthen. Ordering a few specific tinctures to keep on hand. But mostly just staying healthy/getting healthier for when we return to “normal” and yet this virus is still floating around.

            None of the above is that different and other than the tonic all things we already did some to begin with but our now taking our health just that much more seriously. Other than the things we buy specifically for the “just in case” all of what we are doing is just good health anyway and will benefit us in general. Probably won’t “get”/”come down with” as many other viruses since we will be walking on the healthy side.

            BTW, >>NOT<< fear mongering or living in fear of the virus. Just common sense, think about it, buy the items, tweak our eating and drinking habits and then, with modified habits in place and knowledge at the ready if needed we move on and live normally.

            Better to go forward prepared. Still not 100% clear who will have a harder time with the virus than others (it does seem more clear the factors that make hospitalization and death more likely) as all ages have died and also, many have been really sick and miserable. We aren't just thinking of hospitalizations/deaths/worse case scenario – we won't be home treating that! We are thinking of just being sick – yuck! want it to pass without being miserable, as quickly as possible and, of course, avoid the possible complications.

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        3. This was literally the entire point of the shutdown and “Flatten the Curve.” It was NOT to reduce the total number of cases. It was to keep the hospitals from being overrun.

          “In flattening the curve, the goal is not so much to reduce the total number of people getting sick but to slow the rate at which they do.”

          Funny how we couldn’t go an hour in March without hearing “flatten the curve! flatten the curve!” like some sort of sick spell, and now it’s been memory-holed entirely.

          https://www.ydr.com/story/news/health/2020/03/12/coronavirus-flattening-curve-quarantine-stop-spread/5030116002/

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        4. My local objective, here in Nevada, it to try to not get exposed to WuFlu until I know that I have an MD that will prescribe the Zelenko Protocol, and that the drugs are permitted in NV for early treatment and they are easily obtainable locally.

          Then I’ll throw caution to the wind and see if I catch it.

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          1. We are still being cautious and have no reason to rush back to “normal”. Husband will work from home for an extended time. I have not gone anywhere other than the doctor since early March and husband practices safety precautions when he runs necessary errands – wore masks before they were cool.

            However, son Needs to get back to some socializing and my local GOP work will pull me back into public.

            Election coming…meetings to have, dinners to be held, primary candidates to bring to our county’s voters…important! I have been able to move things online but we are missing key demographics and much of our older, core group. Reaching New people via social media and bringing a few high profile names to our voters because remoting into a virtual meeting for these higher profile politicians is easier than driving out in person to our rural county. But nothing takes the place of face to face. This is what will pull me back into the public sphere. Coming up in 2 weeks and then again in 6 weeks. Cautious but its too important to not do.

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      2. wolfmoon1776
        Agreed.
        And when the inevitable occurs (regarding catching the virus), it is places like the Q Tree that will help infected people recover quicker and NOT sicker (due to the Hydroxychloroquine / ZPak / Zinc treatment): and will help people in general bolster their immune systems (taking Vit. C / Vit. D / Zinc, etc.).

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              1. Not pushing anything radical at the moment. Will report back on the DMG results. I know a couple of people starting a test of it this weekend. Supposed to help with mental clarity and focus!

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  11. I woke up after just a couple of hours of sleep with the idea of the final resulting “go to” pared down post having the outline form Only but all links (well except for some Few crucial ones to keep front & Center, like Color of Law) will be available by clicking on the below format (for each specific outline item) to open up more detailed info:
    Level 1
    Level 2 (to contain All of Level 1–or maybe just a clickable link to Level 1, + Moar)
    Level 3 (to contain All of Level 2–or maybe just clickable links to Levels 1 & 2, + our best deepest dive)

    Then going forward we can keep updating the individual Levels as stuff develops, maybe with a date of change noted, but be Always sharing the Main post far & wide for all of us that so choose…

    In this way we could even have clickable State links, like my Michigan stuff, like a bunch of Matryoska (Russian nesting) dolls…

    What do you guys think of that (assuming it’s even doable with WordPress)?

    Thanks for all the great comments & thoughts shared by Everyone & the good thoughts & even prayers of those who may not be able to comment or even choose Silence (Do Good 🙂 )..you too are Running with the Pack!

    God Bless all Q-Treepers, Visitors, & Wolf Pack Leaders 😉

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    1. After seeing some charts shared, it might be important to Not always visually split up comparative data between states…Still more tweaking will need to happen after applying what we’ve gathered so far into the “updated” formatting, which I MAY start working on tomorrow. My family’s more available on the weekends so I need to be available irl too!

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  12. Valerie ~ Amazing compilation! Being somewhat of a simpleton now, I was initially overwhelmed by all the information. A second read through and things became a little clearer.

    I have some experience trying to organize a lot of information via a limited program and it was just drilling down through different topics, clicking on link after link and you eventually forgot what you were even looking for. Falling down the rabbit hole.

    I don’t know much about WordPress capabailities, but if they are limited, do yourself a favor and make your plan as simple as possible with a strong visual organization to help people easily navigate through the information. Dates are appreciated. This is bringing back some awful memories. 🙂

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    1. “make your plan as simple as possible with a strong visual organization to help people easily navigate through the information. Dates are appreciated. ”

      This is very helpful! Thank you so much. Blessings!

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  13. Just listened to another Hillsdale + posting one I will listen to later tonight or tomorrow. Great insights for bright, conservative minds.
    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJJzRbdjzo

    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG2vdyfLv7U

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  14. Well, wouldn’t you know, THIS has “migrated” from New York City to SEATTLE:
    Mayor Bill De Blasio is going to close AT LEAST 100 MILES of streets in New York City to all vehicular traffic to “encourage” residents there to “enjoy the outdoors” more. He is also closing the city parks to all gatherings and requiring that “social distancing” be the rule in all parks at all times. Now, on the LEFT COAST:

    http://www.people.com/
    3 hours ago
    Joelle Goldstein
    “Seattle to Permanently Close 20 Miles of Streets to Cars to Encourage Residents to Get Healthy”
    Purport:
    Seattle Mayor JENNY DURKAN is permanently closing at least 20 miles of streets in Seattle to cars and other vehicles in order to get residents to walk, bike, jog, and skateboard more. Durkan had closed 15 miles of streets in the city on a temporary basis starting in April; she has now ordered that these streets will remain closed, with more miles of streets added.
    And that’ not all — Durkan ordered that all regional parks, as of today, close at 8PM instead of the previous 11:30PM, “to ensure that residents DO NOT GATHER and create a public health risk”. (emphasis mine)
    HERE’S THE KICKER:
    More than 60 “SOCIAL DISTANCING AMBASSADORS”, working along with the Seattle Police Department, will be out patrolling the parks to enforce the new closing and gathering regulations.

    My opinion: This is the “foot in the door” to all the rest of us. ANY such “closing streets”, parks, and certainly hiring “Social Distancing Ambassadors” must be watched for and stopped. It’s a combination of the U.N, “Agenda 21” plus good, old-fashioned COMMUNISM — all wrapped up nicely and presented to the sheeple as “it’s for your own health and you’ll come to thank us later on.”

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    1. In practice, they will be Social Sojourners for Seattle and will not patrol, but wander through our beautiful parks, correcting attitudes, speech and behaviors of citizens to whom we have gifted the privilege of using one of our many open space facilities.

      They will be easily identified by their eco-conscious brown shirts and armbands with “SS” prominently displayed.

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        1. Complaint for Valerie as author, number two.

          Contact https://akismet.com/contact and pick the 4th item. Give them these two URLs. Tell them I want you WHITELISTED on my site, or I will do another article critical of Akismet, and revealing that they are hiding moderating psych AI in WordPress’s spam engine.

          https://wordpress.com/comment/wqth.wordpress.com/491920

          https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491920

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  15. REPORT – UFL STUDY showed no heart problems with HCQ + Azithromycin – but then they weasel and hedge. (bold mine)

    “University of Florida College of Pharmacy researchers studying the safety of two classes of drugs touted as potential therapeutics for COVID-19 report mixed results.

    Their analysis of 13.3 million reports from the Food and Drug Administration’s Adverse Event Reporting System showed antimalarial drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were not associated with the risk of abnormal heart rhythm either on their own or when prescribed with the antibiotic azithromycin. Azithromycin on its own, however, was associated with this safety concern.

    The FDA has warned individuals not to use the antimalarial drugs outside of the hospital due to hearth rhythm concerns, and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommended against doctors using the antimalarials with azithromycin for the same reason.

    Interest in treating COVID-19 patients with azithromycin and the antimalarial drugs rose in March when a small clinical study in France reported promising results. However, medical professionals have long cautioned against prescribing the two drugs together, due to safety concerns and a lack of evidence.

    “Multiple ongoing trials are currently investigating the efficacy of antimalarials and azithromycin for COVID-19, but safety concerns are often not resolved in these small-scale clinical studies,” said lead author Joshua Brown, Pharm.D., Ph.D., an assistant professor of pharmaceutical outcomes and policy at the College of Pharmacy. “Our study’s goal was to verify that these potential treatments don’t cause more problems than they cure. As an example, recently, Brazilian authorities have halted one of the first clinical trials using these medications together because of safety concerns.”

    The safety concerns are primarily centered on the risk of abnormal heart rhythm, specifically drug-induced QT interval prolongation, which can lead to tachycardias such as torsades de pointes and sudden cardiac death. Previous studies have not shown if the adverse effect is caused by the two classes of drugs interacting or if it’s azithromycin’s effect alone.

    “What also needs to be considered is that the existing data, our study included, are based in patients using the medications to manage chronic disease like rheumatoid arthritis or to treat minor upper respiratory infections,” Brown said. “The risk profile could be much higher in patients with severe COVID-19 who are critically ill or have comorbid conditions and may be using these medications at a higher than normal dose.”

    Brown noted that the UF study in no way determines whether or not hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin are effective for treating COVID-19. Both drugs have demonstrated antiviral and immunosuppressive activity in test tube studies. These results have led to widespread hope for COVID-19 prevention and treatment, but real-world evidence among COVID-19-positive patients has yet to prove this.

    The study was conducted by Brown; Amir Sarayani, Pharm.D., M.P.H.; Carl Henriksen and Brian Cicali. Their study was published in the journal Research in Social & Administrative Pharmacy.”

    https://ufhealth.org/news/2020/uf-researchers-report-mixed-results-safety-study-drugs-seen-possible-covid-19-therapeutics

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    1. Zinc not mentioned. Not in the study. Slow guy really latched onto Med Cram video of late Feb or so that mentioned HCQ / zinc combo killing CAV.

      A few weeks later Zpak was tossed in as an antibiotic, IIRC.

      Above study cautions mixing HCQ and Zpak at same time.

      I’m missing something, as I am hooked on the early on HCQ / zinc solution. Yet no US based studies. Although we know HCQ / zinc has been used.

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      1. No – the more I think about it – the more I see the stories as propaganda – putting down HCQ and puffing up Remdisivir.

        Again – no notes about side effects of Remdisivir or of the patient’s condition before and after treatment.

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        1. ^^^ That is my thought.

          I have no technical data to back up my perspective. The combo, HCQ / zinc shunted aside in favor of $$$.

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          1. Wolfie just posted a new thread about a NYU study.

            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.article-info

            Click to access 2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf

            Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

            Philip M. Carlucci1, Tania Ahuja2, Christopher Petrilli1,3, Harish Rajagopalan3, Simon Jones4.5, Joseph Rahimian1

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        2. Yes. That’s why I hope we can point out & then magnify the Good Info & Studies. Let’s get the Truth out there as the antidote to all the ChiCom, Dem, globullist, Deep State, Cabal, Totalitarian Poison that’s clogging the airwaves.

          That little video Plain Jane shared is a great tool & a fun way to make the point of the level of messaging control that’s being exerted on the people.

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      2. I don’t see the caution you’re referring to . . . but just the good news that “hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were not associated with the risk of abnormal heart rhythm either on their own or when prescribed with the antibiotic azithromycin.”

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  16. Humor but also some truths

    To me, his best work ever…nothing to do with WuFlu but keeping our sense of humor is important!
    Laughter is medicine…good for our souls
    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Uc-cztsJo
    &
    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdPW8JrYzQ

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    1. Oops! that was not the humor video! That was one of the videos already posted above from illsdale

      Here is the humor WuFlu video, 2nd try…

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      1. So mad at myself – this guy has had some very funny Clean videos in the past.
        I posted it Before I watched it to the end. I apologize and yet another life lesson learned.

        A) This was not clean at the end
        B) he made fun of President Trump so he is now did to me (not in the harmful, hateful sense – but in the I will ignore him forever sense)

        So sorry and no longer recommend – although the spam videos are still so funny I will no longer recommend them because of the above B

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  17. UFL study of Remdisivir is the first to show any benefit. …and the results were not earth-shaking at that…

    Quote:
    “Patients with severe cases of COVID-19 who were treated with the investigational drug remdesivir recovered faster than those who did not take it, based on results released this week of an international clinical trial that included UF Health.

    The study shows patients treated with the antiviral drug spent four fewer days in the hospital, from 15 days down to 11, on average. Additionally, the study showed mortality from COVID-19 infection dropped from 11.6% to 8%. This is the first study to show a clear benefit to patients suffering from COVID-19.”

    MORE: https://ufhealth.org/news/2020/uf-health-s-niaid-funded-study-helps-make-remdesivir-standard-care-covid-19-treatment

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    1. Perhaps apples and oranges…perhaps I am mixing up two different remdesivir studies.

      Yesterday or day before I saw a post here QTree or moar likely Internet. Perhaps Gateway IIRC. It pointed out the study FauXi was heralding di NOT include / consider deaths while taking remdesivr. The opposite of GA post above. That is if I am tracking correctly.

      Fundamentally, anything FauXi is excited about, I am suspicious big time.
      .
      .
      Still have yet to see FauXi or scarf lady fully address the HCQ / Zpak / zinc trials that were publicly mentioned six or eight weeks ago. Certainly there must be results that are somewhere between fantastic to utter failures. But all I have noticed are crickets regrading HCQ / Zpak / zinc use.

      Something is drastically amiss regarding CDC backflips for remdesivir and crickets for HCQ / Zpak / zinc.

      I’m OK with President Trump getting onboard remdesivir, but no info on HCQ / Zpak / zinc trials? Are we to take it that HCQ / Zpak / zinc failed and it is being given the silent treatment to dae away? YSM would never let that happen IF it were bad news for President Trump.

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      1. We are getting plenty of garbage regarding the HCQ triple treatment — the media has crapped on it; Democrats have crapped on it; Gilead has crapped on it; China has crapped on it; the VA has crapped on it; and a NYC hospital hoping for a Federal NY bailout has crapped on it. Nevertheless, it is obvious that it works. France and NV have made it illegal.

        My own PCP fed me a line about “it’s an old, discredited drug” before pivoting to “besides, we have to save it for hospitalized coronavirus patients.”

        If I knew nothing beyond this (and, BTW, I do), I could surmise two different scenarios. (1) These grossly compromised institutions are lying in order to exculpate China; enrich Fauci, Gates, and Gilead while compromising civil liberties……or (2) they are trying to “flatten the curve” so that China’s near-monopoly on HCQ production can’t be weaponized against the West. I’m about 80/20 on this at present. Either way, it ain’t science.

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        1. While I surely don’t know where HCQ is made, country wise, have read Germany, Israel, US, and hugely India. Did not know China has a monopoly on HCQ. Seems like an easy challenge to over come.

          As far as tripple treatment, OK they can not use Zpak in favor of something else. Read one drug but can’t recall it at the moment.

          Seems as though combo HCQ / zinc works.

          NV wise, and I’ll be the last one to defend our POS governor Sisolak, our numbers are:
          Positive 5,884
          Deaths 301
          Active 1,386

          So, recovered are 4,197
          or ~66% recovered.

          Have heard HCQ not authorized out patient in NV. BUT, something IS working against CAV here in NV.

          I am wondering IF HCQ is some how being used moar widely than announced.

          Agree, science seems to be missing, in favor of Big Pharma and corruptocrats like FauXi, Brix… What a racket.

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      2. In those two articles published by the UFL – there is a discrepancy and a bias in the reporting of the two drugs and the titles are misleading. Remdisivir is an expensive drug. No mention of short or longterm side effects of Remdisivir – but they write all kinds of side effects with HCQ – that didn’t occur. The truth is – Remdisivir has not been proved to be the ‘standard of care’ for CV 19

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  18. Apparently, my comments are getting thrown into the bin again.

    I’ve done everything possible to get this corrected with Akismet…and I’ve discussed this with Wolfie who has extended his best effort to help. Gotta give him credit for trying to correct the situation. Thank you, Wolfie for giving it your best shot. 👍👍👍

    Meanwhile, back at my ranch on fire…

    And this may not get posted…

    Have so enjoyed reconnecting with friends here from OT, and also new friends like Steve-in-Colorado whose daily post about China is spot on!…and other new friends here where Wolfie gives us our voice to speak out in civility and respect for each other without censoring us.

    Gonna be gone for an extended period.

    Destination:

    WDC: modern Babylon/Nineveh!

    There’s some things that gotta be done, and I hope my part in all will benefit our nation and President…

    …Like all the rest of you offering your time and service to do your part.

    I will give up and sacrifice everything of my own to get certain things done. No matter the cost.

    Like that song:

    Nothing Else Matters.

    I have lived through the worst shit of our generation…but I still have breath to live through some more shit if necessary, considering what is at stake. So do all of you who are determined to stand up against tyranny…Thomas Jefferson!

    Remembering Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn…faithful vanguard who suffered great and terrible things at the hands of cruel handlers.

    My friend and truth teller.

    Like those of you here, over on Marica’s blog, and yes, our loyal friends over at the CTH…Thomas Lifson of AT, his authors like Steve McCann, Selwyn Duke, Clarice Feldman, Jack Cashill and my dear close Christian brother, Michael Bresciani…editor of Americanprophet.org…one of the last, pure and faithful voices of spiritual things…all of these…holding true to the bastions of truth in the face of persecution and tryanny.

    Appreciate and love all of you here at the Q Tree.

    Shalom…

    Until next time..

    AS

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    1. Angel – are you watching your WordPress notifications? You will have to, to see when your OLD posts get released from spam. You are going to have to complain to Akismet until they are annoyed and release you, and you have to do it for every author here.

      This is COMMUNISM again. It’s NAZISM. Gotta fight it.

      This one is for Valerie. If you want to post on her threads, you have to complain three times and tell them I told you to complain.

      Valerie complaint number one.

      Contact https://akismet.com/contact and pick the 4th item. Give them these two URLs. Tell them I want you WHITELISTED on my site, or I will do another article critical of Akismet, and revealing that they are hiding moderating psych AI in WordPress’s spam engine.

      Give them these two URLs:

      https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491945

      https://wordpress.com/comment/wqth.wordpress.com/491945

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      1. I understand what ur saying.

        But I am running out of time to deal with those issues. I’ve have been to Akismet a number of times to no avail. And the last time they wanted personal info that I am never going to give online.

        We’re just gonna have to call this a lost cause for now.

        You remember the other day I mentioned to you that I always look for a law of consistency in any given problematic area? Meaning once a thing goes wrong, until there is a correction, the thing gone wrong will remain wrong.

        So Akismet or whatever, sometimes I post without problems, then it changes, then changes back.

        E.g. I had no problems posting on Marica’s blog a little while ago, but couldn’t the night before. So Akismet or whatever…inconsistent no matter what I do.

        On the other hand, I’ve had computer and tech experts tell me they’ve never had to deal with some of the digital problems I have had and never could solve the problems to this day. That tells me something.

        Anyway, Wolfie, I gotta credit you for giving it your best shot.

        Thanks and God bless.

        I’m gonna have to be gone for awhile anyway.

        Shalom, bro!

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        1. 1 – do not give your “real” name. First name Angelle. Last name Staria.

          2 – give the same email as you use for WordPress notifications.

          That’s it. All you need. Do not play their games. Keep complaining. I know how this works. They will back down, IF you keep going. Takes a few days. It’s WORTH IT. I got all my people out this way.

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          1. I don’t.

            Angelle Staria is a pen name I have used for many years…

            I need to get geared up for upcoming and incoming. I’ll try and tackle the Akismet thing later.

            You have been most gracious with your links and offer of help. Believe when I tell you, I’ll never forget you for this.

            I just may hand the whole thing over to people in our group to take a look and deal with it accordingly.

            👍👍👍🤗

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          2. Wolfie, I am estimating present circumstances.

            So far, I know haven’t brought in negative elements to your site, but I look a little ahead and see the potential possibility of that coming.

            I am going to bow out for awhile…will come back later…but you can’t afford that.

            I know you are an honest, nation loving patriot, and you would prolly say, what the hell…

            But you can’t afford to do that, at least not yet.

            You have good people here that you need to stay in touch with and keep encouraging. And I am not willing to become an element to interfere with that.

            Back to Kenny Rogers song, the Gambler…

            Sometimes you have to when to fold ’em…

            But that doesn’t mean giving up the whole game. It just means fold the hand for now…cuz you got a better hand coming later.

            I hope you understand what I’m saying.

            You and I and others here and over on Marica’s blog, and our faithful friends OT…

            Are sitting in this backroom poker table…

            And we all know who is eventually gonna clean the table and walk away with all the money.

            In the meantime, be blessed to keep your part of your site’s mission going…as I will tell them over on Marica’s blog.

            Nobody knows this except Kal and Bren, but I have 1000s of people depending on me to get this next step right…and that involves WDC…

            So sometimes we have to let go of everything for the hour to help facilitate the orher things later.

            Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, which represented what God our Father would sacrifice for all us 2000 years later.

            As the scriptures state, the student is not above the Master. I am just one of those lowly students giving it my best shot to follow our Master.

            40 years in the making of what is coming…

            …and I humbly stand before my God in the same spirit of Isaiah, who unlike Jonah who ran away from the mission of going to Nineveh, but rather as Isaiah said, here am I. Send me.

            So off we go to today’s Nineveh…and what happens is in God’s hands from here on out. The spirit of Ehud and Elijah burns hotter in me than Nebuchadnezzar’s fiery furnace…and considering Deut 31:22 and Isaiah 42:14…if only people really discerned the day…even most Christians don’t.

            I survived the Kremlin in Moscow, East Germany…by God’s grace…so I hear the precious Voice of the Holy Spirit saying…what are you worried and anxious about today? He’s got a point that I am hard pressed to try and argue with Him about. Never get into a debate with God, cuz you can’t answer Him 1 out of a 100 times. His wisdom will pin you to the mat in 3 secs every time.

            Don’t know what your military service is, but because you have the spirit of a Marine…I sign off…

            SALUTE!
            SEMPER FI!
            SHALOM!

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            1. Awesome just to be privileged to witness this conversation! You might like my insights below the silhouetted heart-shaped cave image partway down the comments section…especially given some of what you shared here…God Speed!

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              1. Your comment stream starts with you here:

                https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491945

                Angel at the Gates of War
                May 8, 2020 at 22:43

                It’s all great stuff, but especially what You have shared! Thank you for this.

                Bless you in & through the Battle & beyond.

                You’ll be in more people’s prayers now than even a few days ago, I believe. Drop a note on the Q-Tree or Marica’s when you get a sec to let us know how you’re doing, or how we can pray for you…In Jesus’ Love

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              2. I think I misunderstood what you were asking for, so here’s the image:

                found within this comment:

                https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491353

                Here are my further thoughts copied from this comment:

                https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/collaborating-to-calm-cv-craziness/comment-page-1/#comment-491899

                Valerie Curren
                May 8, 2020 at 21:25 Edit
                Every time I reply from this page when it refreshes it puts me back to where I can see that “heart shaped cave” opening. So these are random & perhaps weird thoughts. It kind of looks like we are looking out from inside a giant mouth with the heart indent/peak from above serving as the uvula.

                So if that’s a view from inside a mouth, it could be like Jonah’s view just before the whale spits him up/out onto dry land…he finally got a clue & has surrendered to the Mission God has assigned him to.

                Even better, it’s like we’re in the back of God’s throat, before He speaks (or sings like Aslan) us into being, or just prior to when He breathes into us the Breath of Life.

                Or we’re just sitting there enjoying the view, like the guy in the pic, & completely unaware of how God is surrounding us & even acting as our rear guard. & He breathed on them, they received His Spirit, & were empowered to do His Good Works!

                The whole world is spread out before us awaiting us to partake of whatever adventures come our way!

                Hope this is what you meant…Blessings!

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            1. He’s been blocked forever. What happened was that I have made more posts lately, he commented on some of MINE, and then I “liberated him” – but only for MY posts. He will have to be liberated for every author.

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        2. Given that I’ve seen quite a few of your replies on “My” Q-Tree Post, perhaps some of these issues are at least somewhat “resolved”…I hope. You surely don’t need any extra hassle as you are gearing up!

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          1. It’s off and on like a switch.

            I posted something earlier today at Marica’s and it went right through.

            I told Wolfie that I’m prolly gonna leave the mattet in some of our people’s hands and let them deal with it. They are far more advanced than me. So we’ll see. It’s not a killing issue.

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              1. Seems like you said that a while ago…me too. Brandon just came home at 6 am after crashing for 6 hours elsewhere…This is the time he’s already at work M-F!

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      2. Thanks Wolf for that detailed explanation. Now I Think I understand what’s happening. Sorry for Angel & anyone else going through the extra hassle just to be able to interact on any of My posts. Thanks for keeping on top of all this!

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    2. Woah…you’re leaving on a mission, Angel?

      May God go with you and watch over you, dear Angel.
      😌🙏💗

      You will be missed!
      Please watch your six and come back to us soon!

      Fair winds and following seas.
      Hugs…and prayers for your safety.
      🤗🥰🙏💗

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      1. Yes.

        And not going in the greatest state of health.

        But I’ll be damned before I let a devil keep me down.

        I’m gonna play my violin in that devil’s face…gotta love Charlie Daniel’s song, not to mention his extremely intelligent and patriotic articles.

        And yeah, I got friends watching my six, not saying they aren’t a bit concerned, but they have faith in God, and that is the bottom line with friends for me.

        I wouldn’t even be here to reply to you without the great faithfulness, prayer and care of friends who have had my six for a long time.

        I really appreciate your comment. It means a lot to me tonight.

        Here and over on Marica’s blog, we have an unbreakable camaraderie…and I thank God for every single day!

        👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏

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  19. Wow…this was a lot of work, Valerie!
    😀🤓👍
    Thank you for this epic thread post!

    About this:

    vaccines All contain aborted baby cells

    I didn’t know this! …That would take A LOT of aborted baby cells!
    😬😩
    And I’ll be that a lot of people don’t know this either.

    This explains why [They] are so fanatical about keeping their abortion-mills open.
    This is an important piece of the puzzle!

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    1. Some vaccines are produced using laboratory cell lines were originally derived from aborted fetal tissue in the 1960s. Pepsi uses the same cell lines for “flavor research.” Many in the pro-life community consider these cell lines “aborted fetal cells.” I’m not really up for debating the exact definition of “aborted fetal cells,” but thought it worth clarifying that they’re not talking about literal remains the local Planned Parenthood. It’s more complicated than that.

      Posting a link to this article only because it contains information about what exact cell lines are used in vaccines:

      https://bioethicsobservatory.org/2017/01/is-it-true-that-there-are-vaccines-produced-using-aborted-foetuses/17848/

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    2. It Might be from the same or several Fetal Cell lines, but I’m not sure…& my remark was based on graphics on twitter…needs more digging for sure!

      Thanks for your encouraging words on the post. I really appreciate them! Blessings!

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  20. Big news – not to us, necessarily. This was obvious to me from the first results. But it really tells the New York Times that their undue excessive skepticism is not a good look.

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  21. FDA bans masks by 60+ Chinese manufacturers from entry into USA.

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  22. Well, this is “spreading” even FASTER than I predicted it would:

    http://www.wlwt.com/
    May 8, 2020
    “Cincinnati to close number of streets, lanes so restaurants can expand seating capacity outdoors”
    Purport:
    The city of Cincinnati is permanently closing, effective TODAY, several miles of streets and lanes in the central downtown area to increase the size of outdoor dining and to encourage more walking, all while maintaining “social distancing.” The closures will include parts of the following areas (complete list is on the above website):

    MAIN ST.
    VINE ST.
    WALNUT S.
    FREEDOM WAY
    FINDLAY MARKET area
    FOUNTAIN SQUARE area

    Cincinnati Mayor JOHN CRANLEY said that all closures will be finalized by MAY 15, when outdoor dining is again permitted in Ohio by orders of Gov. DEWINE.
    Apparently, NO BUSINESS OWNERS OR RESIDENTS of these areas were contacted in advance about the closures.
    The closures are being partnered between Mayor Cranley and “3CDC”, (Cincinnati Center City Development Corporation), a BEHEMOTH umbrella organization that essentially CONTROLS all of downtown Cincinnati and is in the process of “expanding” to the area called Over-the-Rhine.

    The above was confirmed through news reports this morning on 700WLW, Cincinnati.

    My opinion: Notice how quickly the Mayor moved to close access to all vehicular traffic as soon as the Governor announced the re-opening of outdoor dining. Notice also that NEITHER the Mayor nor “3CDC” contacted or consulted with ANY business owner or resident of the areas to be closed off for their opinion or consent.
    “3CDC” ALSO controls most of the public parking garages and lots in the downtown Cincinnati area. Closing streets would mean, of course, that people driving into these areas would be forced to use “3CDC”-owned parking garages or lots. TRANSLATION: More involuntary money coming to “3CDC”.
    There is also the issue of the street closures being mandated WITHOUT the consent of businesses and residents that will be negatively impacted. This is similar to what happened with the street closures in NEW YORK CITY and, as of yesterday, in SEATTLE.

    I repeat, if this can happen in these places, IT CAN HAPPEN IN YOUR TOWN — WITH NO WARNING OR YOUR CONSENT. That’s why it’s important to be ACUTELY aware of anything going on in your town: especially, as in the cases of New York City, Seattle, and now Cincinnati — IF IT IS CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS.

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  23. More rigorous study of hydroxychloroquine is getting underway with help of Cook County health researchers.

    [Oooh! Be still my beating heart!]

    Despite all the experimentation and debate surrounding the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients, no one really knows if the drug is effective, useless or harmful.

    [Ummm. Clouds forming on the horizon.]

    “A lot of doctors used the drug in the absence of randomized, controlled trials because they didn’t have anything to give patients,” said Dr. Sybil Hosek, the system’s research director and lead investigator of the county’s trial arm. “And so now we’re really pulling away from that and saying, ‘Whoa, whoa, we just can’t answer this question truthfully until we do a rigorous trial,’ and that’s what we’re trying to do.”

    [Uhhh. O.K. Maybe.]

    Specifically, the health system is looking to enroll about 100 patients who were recently diagnosed with COVID-19 but are not sick enough to need hospital care. Equal numbers would be enrolled at five other medical institutions, with the tab for the work being covered by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

    [B&M Gates? Oh, crap. Here we go.]

    Some patients will be given hydroxychloroquine, others will receive the same drug along with the antibiotic azithromycin and the rest will be given vitamin-filled placebos. All will receive the type of doses already approved for treating malaria and autoimmune disorders like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

    [No zinc? Vitamin-filled placebos? Why not an inert substance?]
    https://www-chicagotribune-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-cook-county-health-trial-20200508-voumnocnwjh3lepye22447mjdi-story.html?outputType=amp

    [Now, looking at an older N.Y. study . . .]

    Thousands of NY COVID patients are being treated with anti-malarial drug

    As many as 4,000 seriously ill coronavirus patients in New York are being treated with the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, state health officials say.

    [Right off the bat . . . seriously ill. Not the best application for HCQ.]

    On a random basis, the trial participants will receive either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo pill — vitamin C — every day for two weeks.

    [Again. Vit C placebo, when vit C in large doses has been shown to improve WuFlu patients. Why not an inert substance?]

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-coronavirus-patients-being-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug/

    [Moral of these stories . . . read the details of studies like these carefully to find the poison pill hidden by the ant-Trump, anti-HCL perpetrators.]

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      1. One of my favorite cartoons of years long past: Ace Bunny and Marvin the Martian with his Uranium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator! Ahhh! Memories and much simpler times.

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  24. Scientists have developed antibodies that can kill coronavirus
    Coronavirus Treatment
    May 8th, 2020 at 10:39 AM

    Researchers from the Netherlands and Japan have developed antibodies for the novel coronavirus that can neutralize the pathogen in labs. The drugs still need to prove their effectiveness in human trials, but they might be ready for wide use before a vaccine.

    Israel has also developed its own antibody compound, joining countries like America and Korea that are also studying monoclonal antibody therapy for COVID-19 patients.

    https://bgr.com/2020/05/08/coronavirus-treatment-monoclonal-antibody-drugs-47d11-vhh-others/

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  25. The times they are a changing….

    “In my lifetime, there was another deadly flu epidemic in the United States. The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the U.S., mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide.

    Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. It was also a healthier population with low obesity. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.

    “In 1968/69,” says Nathaniel L. Moir in National Interest, “the H3N2 pandemic killed more individuals in the U.S. than the combined total number of American fatalities during both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.”

    […]

    Nothing was closed by force. Schools mostly stayed open. Businesses did too. You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants. John Fund has a friend who reports having attended a Grateful Dead concert. In fact, people have no memory or awareness that the famous Woodstock concert of August 1969 – planned in January during the worse period of death – actually occurred during a deadly American flu pandemic that only peaked globally six months later. There was no thought given to the virus which, like ours today, was dangerous mainly for a non-concert-going demographic.
    https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/

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  26. So, a couple of examples of the lying MSM engaging in fear-mongering / bash POTUS / seeding the DeepState strategy to put Joe Biden (or his replacement) in the Oval Office next January:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/
    May 5
    “As people being to venture out more, experts predict coronavirus cases, deaths will soar”
    Purport: A model by the medical school of the University of Washington (Washington State) predicts that once states re-open, infections from the Wuhan Coronavirus will immediately climb, and deaths from the virus will increase to at least 3,000 per day by JUNE 2.
    http://www.nytimes.com/
    Updated May 7, 2020
    “Models Predict Sharp Rise in Deaths as States Reopen”
    Purport: The Times obtained a copy of a report from FEMA that contains details from models stating that over 3,000 deaths per day from the Wuhan Coronavirus will occur by JUNE 1, as states reopen but testing capabilities are still insufficient and there is no evidence of “herd immunity” to the virus in the American population.

    My opinion: The Times article is perfect example of how the MSM takes the VERY SAME opinion they gave a couple of months ago — that everybody HAD TO “shelter in place” to “be safe” from the virus — and NOW turn around to scream that NOW there is “no herd immunity”, clearly implying that ANY state that reopens is going to be complicit, along with the White House, of a terrible increase in virus deaths (especially states with Republican governors, of course).

    http://www.politico.com/
    May 10
    “Fauci and Birx’s public withdrawal worries health experts”
    Purport: A fine example of POTUS-bashing combined with just enough half-truths and outright lies to smear him and attempt to make him look like an incompetent fool.
    Among other lies, the article states that President Trump deliberately held off in dealing with the Wuhan Coronavirus making its way into the United States, thereby losing “precious time”. The clear implication is that this delay caused many people to die from the virus.
    The article also implies that Drs. Fauci and Birx have withdrawn from the White House coronavirus response team because they believe they are being ignored. AT NO POINT does the article mention anything about Fauci and Birx going into voluntary self-quarantine out of caution since close staffers to POTUS have tested positive for the virus.

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