Going MacGyver on ChiCom-19

Tell us about your discoveries and experiences in home therapy and prophylaxis of COVID-19.

Well, when the going gets TOUGH, it’s time to call MACGYVER and his buddies.

I was well-prepared for ChiCom-19, even months before I spent a DIME on preparations. So we had PLENTY of vitamin C on hand when I was hit, and I made sure to use it, too – 500 to 1500 mg / day. I believe that this stuff helped, and may have averted much nastier consequences than moderate shortness of breath. I would have likely been on a ventilator if I had not taken vitamin C.

Nevertheless, vitamin C, in the amounts I took it, was not enough.

Though out of the woods, and still taking vitamin C, I still needed something more. If the virus was still active, I needed something ANTIVIRAL.

THAT is when I decided to take a look at ZINC SUPPLEMENTS.

Zinc is supposedly the true antiviral component of the Zelenko three-drug regimen, which is based in part on Didier Raoult’s work with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, as well as on the work of a Korean group which studied hydroxychloroquine and zinc. Antimalarials like chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are really just GATE-OPENERS which allow ZINC to enter cells. And it is ZINC which prevents viruses from reproducing properly.

As I was shopping in the grocery story with my zinc tablets in the cart, I wondered what I was going to do to potentiate the zinc. That is when I remembered TONIC WATER.

And if you don’t like that one…..

And if neither of those is cheap enough…..

I actually like tonic water – straight up. I used to drink about a quart of it a day at one point.

Well, it turns out that if you drink TWO quarts a day, you are actually at pharmaceutically useful levels of quinine.

LINK: https://www.healthline.com/health/quinine-in-tonic-water

If you read the article, you’ll learn a bit about the history of quinine and malaria.

Quinine is real medicine. It has side effects. Just read the article. Normally a glass or two every few days – maybe even every day – isn’t going to hurt you.


On the flip side, it might actually CURE YOU, too.


Quinine, when found in small doses in tonic water, is safe to consume. The first tonic waters contained powdered quinine, sugar, and soda water. Tonic water has since become a common mixer with liquor, the most well-known combination being gin and tonic. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allows tonic water to contain no more than 83 parts per million of quinine, because there can be side effects from quinine.

Today, people sometimes drink tonic water to treat nighttime leg cramps associated with circulatory or nervous system problems. However, this treatment is not recommended. Quinine is still given in in small doses to treat malaria in tropical regions.

Now let’s talk about those side effects – you need to watch out for these, EVEN if you are just thinking about drinking a lot of tonic water simply because you like it. AND I QUOTE:

Side effects and risks

Quinine in tonic water is diluted enough that serious side effects are unlikely. If you do have a reaction, it may include:

  • nausea
  • stomach cramps
  • diarrhea
  • vomiting
  • ringing in the ears
  • confusion
  • nervousness

However, these are more common side effects for quinine taken as a medication. Among the most serious potential side effects associated with quinine are:

Keep in mind that these reactions are primarily linked to quinine, the medication. You would have to drink about two liters of tonic water a day to consume a day’s dose of quinine in pill form.

So – I hope you’re clear – this is REAL MEDICINE we are talking about here. It can hurt you. Just like aspirin, tylenol, sudafed or dextromethorphan, if you take too much. Think of low-dose quinine as OTC. Drink too much, and you are OFF LABEL.

I drink VERY little of this stuff. Maybe a shot glass or two. Rarely more than that. I actually prefer GREEN TEA now. Green tea has a zinc ionophore called EGCG. I get the same good effects of reduced hypoxia and better breathing, without the mild but annoying quinine side effects like tinnitus (ringing in the ears).

But – and I need to point this out again – we are in the middle of an undeclared BIOLOGICAL WAR and America’s leftist press is traitorous and defending the other side.

Your options, like mine, are possibly rather limited right now. Here is what *I* believe I’m up against:

  • Chinese communists created an HIV-modified deadly disease and spread it.
  • Chinese communists used the disease to disrupt and almost destroy our economy.
  • Our treasonous communist media is helping defend the Chinese communists.
  • Our treasonous communist media is helping defend the virus while fear-mongering.
  • Our media and DEMOCRATS hoaxed with AQUARIUM CLEANER to stop drugs that treat it.
  • The head of CDC is helping the ChiComs keep Trump from having a second term.
  • You and I are going to have trouble even getting tested, much less treated EARLY.
  • The virus may very well be persistent and debilitating – we just don’t know enough yet.
  • Those struck early (Nov-Feb) are unlikely to be treated for the virus until too late.
  • Some struck NOW are unlikely to get the KNOWN CURE until they are on a ventilator.

Sorry – we are ON OUR OWN.

I cannot advise others to take the risky path I am taking, but I CAN document what I am doing to survive our radical leftist scum, who are in cahoots with the murderous biowarfare Chinese communists.

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me quinine and give me zinc!

SO – anyway – SOME of you have been self-treating in various ways. Others have been WATCHING the options and learning.

Here is your opportunity to SHARE what you discovered.



116 thoughts on “Going MacGyver on ChiCom-19

      1. Potential interventions for novel coronavirus in China: A systematic review


        2.1. Nutritional interventions
        2.1.1. Vitamin A

        ….Vitamin A is also called “anti‐infective” vitamin and many of the body’s defenses against infection depend on an adequate supply. Researchers have believed that an impaired immune response is due to the deficiency of a particular nutritional element. 10 Vitamin A deficiency is strongly involved in measles and diarrhea 11 and measles can become severe in vitamin A‐deficient children. In addition, Semba et al 12 had reported that vitamin A supplementation reduced morbidity and mortality in different infectious diseases, such as measles, diarrheal disease, measles‐related pneumonia, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, and malaria….

        2.1.2. B vitamins….. [and goes on from there]


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    1. Hey, Wolfie,
      American thinker has a good post on Zinc, Blacks and the Elderly — Why the VA ‘study’ was bogus. The author goes into various studies on Zinc and why it works against viruses.


      DO NOT FORGET SELENIUM! Dr Buttar called it the birth control pill for viruses.

      2019 Sep 4. Selenium, Selenoproteins and Viral Infection

      Reactive oxygen species (ROS) are frequently produced during viral infections. Generation of these ROS can be both beneficial and detrimental for many cellular functions. When overwhelming the antioxidant defense system, the excess of ROS induces oxidative stress. Viral infections lead to diseases characterized by a broad spectrum of clinical symptoms, with oxidative stress being one of their hallmarks. In many cases, ROS can, in turn, enhance viral replication leading to an amplification loop.

      Another important parameter for viral replication and pathogenicity is the nutritional status of the host. Viral infection simultaneously increases the demand for micronutrients and causes their loss, which leads to a deficiency that can be compensated by micronutrient supplementation. Among the nutrients implicated in viral infection, selenium (Se) has an important role in antioxidant defense, redox signaling and redox homeostasis.

      Most of biological activities of selenium is performed through its incorporation as a rare amino acid selenocysteine in the essential family of selenoproteins. Selenium deficiency, which is the main regulator of selenoprotein expression, has been associated with the pathogenicity of several viruses. In addition, several selenoprotein members, including glutathione peroxidases (GPX), thioredoxin reductases (TXNRD) seemed important in different models of viral replication. Finally, the formal identification of viral selenoproteins in the genome of molluscum contagiosum and fowlpox viruses demonstrated the importance of selenoproteins in viral cycle.

      The thyroid needs selenium AND iodine to function properly.

      2006: The role of selenium in thyroid autoimmunity and cancer.

      …..The discovery that all three deiodinases that convert thyroxine (T4) into triiodothyronine (T3) contain selenocysteine illustrates how the production of the active thyroid hormone is dependent on Se status…..

      Low Se serum levels have also been associated with increased risk of thyroid cancer and may play a role in carcinogenesis. It is noteworthy, that the Food and Drug Administration has recently determined that there is sufficient evidence to warrant a qualified health claim for Se and cancer. Furthermore, the recent discovery that defects in the SECIS-binding protein 2 (SBP2), which is an indispensable protein for the incorporation of Se into the selenoproteins, result in thyroid dysfunction, together with the recognition of the many roles of selenoprotein P in Se distribution and storage in the human body, reveal not only the indispensability of Se and the selenoproteins as essential factors in thyroid metabolism and pathogenesis, but open up new prospects for enhanced treatment.

      2007: “…Recent evidence points to a role for selenium compounds as well as selenoproteins in the prevention of some forms of cancer. A number of clinical trials are either underway or being planned to examine the effects of selenium on cancer incidence. In this review we describe some of the recent progress in our understanding of the mechanism of selenoprotein synthesis, the role of selenoproteins in human health and disease and the therapeutic potential of some of these proteins….”

      It has been KNOWN since 1970! That is the year I heard E, C and selenium were shown to help against cancer.

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        1. They even limit the amount of selenium in animal foods!

          Of course like everything else you have to be careful about too much.

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            1. Whole grapes, the darker the better are the best things I’ve ever seen for damaged lungs. They hydrate the lung helping it clear itself out. I don’t understand the science, but I’ve seen my friend recovering from a collapsed lung go from a trach hole in his neck to barely needing his cpap machine to sleep. It helps with my allergy congestion. I hate the texture, so I throw them in a blender and make the best popsicles you ever tasted. I know they’re two different kinds of damage, but it’s certainly worth a try. Best wishes!

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              1. Thanks! Yes – grape skins are sources of a lot of good antioxidants and likely some polyphenol ionophores. So this makes sense. Red wine, apple skins, same thing.

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              2. Old wife’s tales are recorded observations, freed from their original data. This is why Chinese traditional medicine was such a gold mine for new cures. It’s science, just long ago and not practiced according to Cabal Defective Standards.

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    And, this chart (ignore the Tx below chart) shows an interesting transition between initial period of virial replication and innate immunity response which I think might inform what preventatives or remedies one may be reaching for.

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      1. Based on a more recent study in China, I would think that the HCQ needs to be extended all the way to the end, because they found significant late effect against cytokine problems.

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        1. Note that this is only a chart for critical care where the patient is not recovering well.
          I don’t see ZINC anywhere in there. And the Vitamin C levels are 1/4 of the amounts used by Dr. Klinghardt in his successful therapy. (Klinghardt is using 1,000 mg AM/PM).

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        2. Wolfie,
          My gut feeling is the body depletes the needed micronutrients to fight the infection and hospitals are horrible at providing them. This allows the virus to ‘regroup’ and surge.

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          1. Does COVID-19 code for any selenium-containing proteins? If so, then selenium has to be kept high, while killing the virus in other ways than selenium starvation, which likely harms US first.

            A tricky competition. Same with all the other micronutrients. Thus, DIET should work strongly in conjunction with THERAPY MECHANISM.

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    1. Okay, I posted that chart elsewhere and a trusted old style scientist replied… “Medicine has never seen anything like this before. A long-acting virus?? Heavens no!! Inflammation?? – we can’t have that, use steroids (LOL)! Yet with Bacteria they recognize Jarisch Herxheimer. Not with SARS-CoV-2. Medicine is just unable to cope with the paradigm shifts.”

      Interpretation: They are ignoring persistent viral load, beating down normal (and needed) immune activity with steroids, and need to expand their thinking!”

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  2. Something that I have been taking for years, is…Pycnogenol.

    It’s a natural extract from the bark of Yew trees, which is a type of coastal pine tree.

    I read that it boosts the immune system and is good for allergy sufferers, so that’s why I started taking it.
    Also I read that HIV patients take it to bolster their immune systems…and they have had great benefit from it.

    Since I started taking it…more studies have been done on Pycnogenol, and more benefits have been discovered.

    It is now available under more labels than before.
    But the thing to look for is this Pycnogenol Trademark:


    If the label doesn’t have this little logo on it…it may just be ‘pine bark extract’, and not the same…even if it is being sold as “Pycnogenol”.

    I haven’t had any bad side effects from taking it.
    Only good ones.

    It’s a bit pricey, though, unfortunately.

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    1. Remember we talked about Nitric Oxide and its benefits to the lungs before? Well, Pycnogenol appears to stimulate its production in the body.

      It also increases blood flow. This virus appears to cause blood thickening.

      You’re on to something.

      “Pycnogenol’s benefits include increased blood flow (via a mechanism related to increased nitric oxide levels) and improved blood glucose control. The former exerts cardioprotective effects and may help with erectile dysfunction, while the latter appears to be anti-diabetic.”


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      1. L-arginine produces increased amounts of nitric oxide, which you need for blood vessel repair and vessel dilation. It’s a part of endothelial repair factors that reverse inflammatory damage.

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      1. Aubergine and Wheatie, I too have been using Pycnogenol for decades. MLM when it arrived in USA. Except for me the priciness is a problem. I found Swanson’s pine bark extract (50 mg/100 caps) is honest enough; provides me pycnogenol’s good effects by taking 2-3 per day. Thanks

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  3. My immune system is touchy. When it gets revved up it produces antibodies that destroy the myelin covering my nerves. I shock it back down by taking Day 1 of a Medrol dosepak (corticosteroid) all at once instead of throughout the day.

    I also reduce the cause of the revving up like stress, too much sugar, overexertion. If the cause is cold/flu I also take Zithromax. It’s a little dance I have worked out with my immune system to keep it from destroying my body. Took a while, but we understand each other now.

    NurseSusy’s post on the previous Covid thread is excellent. Sounding like Covid causes an out-of-control immune response. The immune system can be damaged and attacks the good instead of the bad. Look at all the auto-immune conditions like MS and RA. That’s why I was wondering what an autopsy would show. What happened in the body to cause death.

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    1. The iron being stripped from hemoglobin has to be bad. *
      Vitamin C seems to be important for that.

      Researchers in Europe found excess bradykinin.They are now setting up treatments with icatibant, a drug that can inhibit the effects of bradykinin. However, Bromelain, extracted from the stem of the pineapple, has an inhibiting effect on bradykinin too. Bromelain is available as a food supplement.


      DOI: 10.1055/s-2006-960949

      “Bromelain lowers kininogen and bradykinin serum and tissue levels and has an influence on prostaglandin synthesis, thus acting antiinflammatory.

      Autopsy’s are showng lots of microcappilary leakage.
      Another thing Vitamin C should help with.

      HCQ seems to be important for modulating the inflammatory response.
      Quercetin might also be helpful.

      Stress on kidneys, liver, adrenals, lymphatics, spleen, even bladder already have traditional herbal, homeopathic or medical therapies that can be used.

      As for the long term T-cell depletion/exhaustion, I don’t think I’ve seen much about supporting recovery from that. Perhaps there are HIV therapies that need to be looked at for this.

      *not a doctor, just a highly interested student of life.

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    2. Holley, have you ever heard of LDN? It’s low-dose naltrexone. No, it doesn’t make money for Big Pharma, so is a compound. It works on strengthening the immune cell to recognize what to attack and what to leave alone. It’s an outside the box thinking, forward thinking. Have to find a doctor who is open-minded, my endocrinologist is. Lots of literature on the ‘net regarding LDN and different diseases. I take it for an 2 autoimmune diseases I have, and it has helped a side effect, my hubby has with his Parkinson’s medication. Seriously helped.

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      1. I don’t know about LDN, but will certainly look into it. It certainly sounds like it could help my confused immune system. Thank you for the information LadyP!

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        1. Anytime, Holley. Lots of literature on it. I came across it when researching one of my immune conditions – which interestingly enough, the literature actually attributes to the cause as over active immune system brought on my years of NSAID use – which I took to treat my major neck injury. NSAIDs suppress the inflammatory response, too long suppressed makes it go haywire when it does react.

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          1. The inflammatory response is so damaging to the body when it’s out of control. I actually feel like my peripherals are on fire.

            That’s why I wonder if this is what’s happening to people with Covid. Some kind of immune dysregulation that attacks different systems or organs depending on the health of the patient.

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            1. You sound like a good candidate to check into that LDN. It definitely helps correct immune system response, decreasing pain. MS and fibromyalgia folks have benefited from it.

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        1. Yes, that’s good. If you have any particular diagnoses in mind, search for LDN and _______. Lots will come up. There is a LDN foundation. I found it through a colitis we site. It’s been very helpful for people with Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis. I have a special type – not one of those – so it hasn’t worked the same, but it has decreased abdominal discomfort.

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  4. “Remdesivir Is Probably Worthless” – A Trauma Surgeon Exposes “Drug Company’s Shenanigans”

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    Markets got very excited (briefly) this week about a study finding a Gilead Sciences drug helped coronavirus patients heal a little more quickly.

    But that was all the trial found: remdesivir isn’t the miracle cure that will get us all out of lockdowns tomorrow, unfortunately.

    Worse, as Bloomberg’s Faye Flam writes, the trial was rushed to get quick FDA approval, without getting helpful information on what kinds of patients it helps or hurts the most; and now that the study is over, we’ve forever lost a chance to help doctors treat virus patients better.

    All of which raises a significant number of questions and Acute Care Surgeon (and Asst Professor of Surgery at Wash U.) Mark Hoofnagle warns “I am truly sorry to say, Remdesivir is probably worthless…”

    In an excellent Twitter thread, Hoofnagle details what he calls “some fascinating drug company shenanigans.”

    First, the pre-test probability that an infused, small-molecule inhibitor of a virus would improve mortality in symptomatic patients was already pretty low. Unfortunately, antivirals work poorly in acute disease. This has to do with their mechanism of action, and host response.

    Antivirals usually target some aspect of viral replication/assembly/transmission. Remdesivir is a clever pharmacologic prodrug that inhibits a key piece of RNA viruses that mammals don’t have – the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, and inhibits viral replication.

    Unfortunately, by the time you are symptomatic with a virus, you are usually already high/peak viral load. So, when you give an antiviral to someone who is already ill, the damage from the virus is largely done.

    It’s there in big numbers and in the cells.

    Consistent with this, the Lancet paper on the remdesivir trial in China shows no impact on viral load clinically.


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    1. Dr Shiva yesterday had a podcast about an analysis of Remdesivir using his CytoSolve biological modeling software.
      Remdesivir is basically very targeted at the current strain of the COVID-19 and prevents it form replicating, but as soon as that strain of virus evolves it becomes useless.

      Dr. Shva: The Difference Between #Remdesivir, #Hydroxychloroquin, Vitamin D+C. A CytoSolve Molecular Systems Analysis.

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  5. Regarding the age issue and why children aren’t affected by the virus. So many of the autoimmune diseases seem to show up in middle age. The “life cycle” of the immune system could be a big factor.

    Perhaps the immune system is at its peak in youth, malfunctions in middle age and underfunctions in old age. My neurologist told me the older I get, the less my immune system will revv up, decreasing the demylinating episodes.

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  6. We all scan the internet looking for what makes sense/the bits & pieces that add up to a cogent whole/ a thoroughgoing understanding of this bug, Herein, some nuggets, from another doctor “in the trenches”:

    Glenn Beck video—ICU MD, Dr.Thomas Yadegar 4.28.20

    ICU DOCTOR: Key to Treating COVID 19 is Realizing There’s NO QUICK FIX to Virus, All Cases Differ
    I found his findings about the workings (malfunctioning) of the pt’s immune system VERY interesting.

    Thanks Wolfie for this really good info on supplements I have been taking pycnogenol for 8+ years—prescribed for CAD (have 4 stents).

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      1. Thanks for the link. Great article.

        Summary for others: pulmonologist says there is no magic bullet. He has many ways of treating coronavirus, all depending on patients’ personal health profiles.

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      2. FTA –

        The team only treats patients requiring critical care, so they were treating those with the most severe illness.

        . . . the doctors at Providence have employed a counterintuitive treatment after ruling out other causes for the symptoms that the patient is having. They are treating the patients with this clinical profile with aggressive anti-inflammatory drugs and immunosuppressants. In all cases since beginning this protocol, no patient has required a ventilator, and none have died.

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        1. I’ve got to add this . . .

          FTA –

          To date, the team has treated between 30 and 35 patients this way, according to Dr. Yadegar. However, there is a rub. They have been treated with 30-35 different regimens based on their clinical profiles.

          It is also absolutely essential that the inflammatory process that accompanies Cytokine Storm Syndrome is confirmed. Giving the medications that decrease inflammation and immune response could be deadly to a patient not suffering from this condition.

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        2. This explains why the Didier treatment works so well, and exceeded the results of the South Korean HCQ+Zn results! The anti-immune activity of the HCQ is counterbalanced by the anti-infective action of the AZM.

          This matches up with the Chinese finding that HCQ is strongly statistically linked to non-mortality AND suppression of cytokine storm in the late stages.

          Thus, a STRONGER antiviral starting early and HCQ in both early and late stages may be optimal. Quadrafecta!

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  7. Honey and cinnamon taken together for a variety of health benefits. I most often combine the two by putting them on toast. A tasty treat as well.

    Also, I have been a major peanut butter and honey sandwich affectionado since early childhood. As recently as a couple of weeks ago, I had two of them for my dinner. 🙂

    Among the benefits as it applies to colds, flu and viruses:

    9. Cold and Cough
    Those suffering from common or severe colds should take 1 tbsp lukewarm honey with 1/4 tsp cinnamon powder daily for 3 days. This will cure the most chronic cough and cold and clear the sinuses.

    The anti-bacterial, anti-viral, and anti-microbial properties in honey help here. Cinnamon is also beneficial because of its anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, and antioxidant properties.

    * SNIP *

    14. Immune System
    Daily use of honey and cinnamon powder in your diet strengthens the immune system and protects the body from bacterial and viral attacks. Constant use of honey strengthens the white blood corpuscles to fight bacterial and viral diseases.

    Mix ¼ tsp cinnamon powder with 1 tbsp honey. Drink it on a daily basis.

    Also, 500mg of cinnamon supplements twice daily for 90 days can improve hemoglobin A1C levels in those with type-2 diabetes.

    * SNIP *

    16. Influenza
    Honey contains a natural ingredient, which kills the influenza germs and saves the patient from flu. Longevity tea, made with honey and cinnamon powder, when taken regularly, arrests the ravages of old age.

    Add 4 spoons of honey and 1 spoon of cinnamon powder to 3 cups of water and boil to make the tea.
    Drink 1/4 cup, 3 to 4 times a day.
    It keeps the skin fresh and soft and arrests old age. It also helps increase the life span.

    Source: https://www.curejoy.com/content/cinnamon-honey-magic-mixture/

    Also, I believe honey is the only food source that does not spoil. It will crystallize as it sits for a long period. Mold will not grow on it. I recall the discovery of a clay jar containing honey that was found in an ancient Egyptian tomb. It was still eatable.

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      1. Thanks for the link. It remind me of a conversation we had here at the Qtree of the better quality of Ceylon cinnamon. I think daughn mentioned that she had received a large package of it from one of her business partners in Ceylon, and passed some of it around to friends. I resolved to track some down for myself, but it never happened.

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            1. Actually our family used honey, lemon juice, whiskey & hot water. The cinnamon went on the cinnamon/honey toast ( a sick day treat)

              NEVER had a bad cold or flu until college when I ended up with the Hong Kong Flu. I had a friend who was a grad student smuggle me some whiskey so I could make my hot toddies. I was miserable but well enough to go to classes. (Drinking age was 21 and I was only 18)

              My grandfather died of the Spanish flu so at the first sign of a sniffle, cough or runny nose we got dosed. It is probably why I have never been interested in alc. I view it as medicine!

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  8. Experts consider quinine safe to consume in small doses. The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have approved up to 83 parts per million in carbonated beverages.

    The FDA also specifies that manufacturers must place quinine on the label for consumers to easily see.


    So, IF the FDA measures quinine by the weight of quinine sulfate and IF Kroger puts the max amount of quinine sulfate in its tonic water, THEN . . .

    1 liter of tonic water = 1,000 gms = 1,000,000 miligrams.

    Quinine sulfate would be present in the amount of 83 parts per million or 83 milligrams.

    So, for the equivalent to a 200mg dose of quinine sulfate, you’d need to drink 200/83 = 2.4 liters of Kroger tonic water.

    Quite manageable.

    P.S. Something for the Q devotees . . .

    Quinine is a flavor component of tonic water and bitter lemon drink mixers. On the soda gun behind many bars, tonic water is designated by the letter “Q” representing quinine.

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  9. The only thing I can add is to repost my “brilliant” 🙂 insight/observation from 🐧 in the fight the Chinese Commie COVID thread yesterday.

    COVID19 virus didn’t get into Wuhun Lab by itself, and it didn’t get out by itself.

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        1. ESPECIALLY considering Zhengli-Li Shi, head of the Wuhan Lab was messing around with genetically engineering bat viruses to make them infect humans AND scientists separately from India and France and the Czech Republic IDed Covid-19 as a chimera with inserted genetic material.

          The Smoking Gun Papers:

          22 June 2010 @ Australian Animal Health Laboratory, FUNDED BY CHINA & Australia Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) proteins of different bat species confer variable susceptibility to SARS-CoV entry ALL authors are Chinese including Zhengli-Li Shi. Four are from Wuhan Lab, two from the Australian Animal Health Laboratory and one from University of Minnesota Medical School USA.
          “…we extended our previous study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays… An HIV-1-luciferase pseudotype virus carrying the SARS-CoV BJ01 S protein, HIV/BJ01-S, was prepared as described….
          Testing of the ability of bat ACE2 proteins to mediate pseudovirus HIV/BJ01-S and live SARS- CoV infection. a HeLa cells transfected with plasmids encoding bat and human ACE2s were infected with pseudovirus HIV/BJ01-S….”

          DEFINITION: transfect

          Introduction of a segment of DNA or RNA into a eukaryotic cell by means of one of a variety of physical or chemical methods or through viral infection.


          2015 Nov 9 @ University of North Carolina (UNC), funded by CCP & Fauci: A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence one of the authors: Zhengli-Li Shi of Wuhan Lab. — “Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system^2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.”

          Reference 2.
          2003 Oct 20 Reverse genetics with a full-length infectious cDNA of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus. lead author from UNC again. — “Using a panel of contiguous cDNAs that span the entire genome, we have assembled a full-length cDNA of the SARS-CoV Urbani strain, and have rescued molecularly cloned SARS viruses (infectious clone SARS-CoV) that contained the expected marker mutations inserted into the component clones. Recombinant viruses replicated as efficiently as WT virus….Availability of a SARS-CoV full-length cDNA provides a template for manipulation of the viral genome…” Funded by NIH

          2. composed of material (such as DNA or polypeptide) from more than one organism
          a chimeric gene
          … scientists have created so-called chimeric antibodies, using genetic engineering to fuse variable regions derived from mouse antibodies with a constant region derived from human antibodies.

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          1. How close is University of Minnesota Med school with this in Rochester?

            “Sites currently dosing participants include NYU Grossman School of Medicine and the University of Maryland School of Medicine, with the University of Rochester Medical Center/Rochester Regional Health and Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center to begin enrollment shortly.”


            Also see my comments starting here for ease of copying, if desired:


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  10. The more I learn about how this virus works, the more lightbulbs go off.

    We have known for many years that taking zinc in cold/flu season helps ward off illness. We now know that zinc ionophores ASSIST the zinc in getting into the cells.

    I have never, up until now, taken a daily dose of zinc, so I was NOT taking zinc when I got this virus (at least, I am fairly certain I got it). BUT.

    There are a couple of foods high in zinc, and my consumption of them is pretty high:

    Red Meat – at least 7 times a week, sometimes more; 8-10 ounces for most meals, not raw, of course!

    100-gram (3.5-ounce) serving of raw ground beef contains 4.8 mg of zinc, which is 44% of the Daily Value (DV)

    Cheese and dairy – at least three times a week, mostly cheese

    For example, 100 grams of cheddar cheese contains about 28% of the DV, while a single cup of full-fat milk contains around 9%

    The MEAT ALONE would be enough. Most people probably don’t eat as much red meat as I do, but it’s what I like. Chicken has become mostly inedible unless it is ungodly expensive and I don’t trust most of the seafood (contaminants). I do eat pork, too.

    Then there are the ZINC ionophores. Currently, I am drinking 8 ounces of tonic water twice a day now, but when I (maybe) had the virus, I wasn’t. BUT.

    There are natural sources of zinc ionophores. One of them is ELDERBERRY. We have known elderberry was effective for warding off and treating colds and flus for years, now we know why. It is full of QUERCETIN, a zinc ionophore. I have elderberry syrup several times a week all winter long.

    Quercitin is also in food, some of which I eat a lot:

    Berries – a cup a day

    Oranges – one a day

    Kale – a handful a day

    Onions – frequently

    One KEY to quercetin is its bioavailability. It is hard for the body to absorb without FATS. I have my berries, kale and an orange in a smoothie every day with AVOCADO, a healthy fat.

    My body was PREPARED to fight this virus. Now, I am even more ready, if I didn’t really have it before.

    I have to wonder if the ZINC in RED MEAT is why the Black Hats are so dead set on making us vegetarians.

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    1. Great points about everything. This all makes lots of sense. Your case makes sense b/c red meat is a strong source of IRON as well, in a good balance.

      IMO the other side is fighting our evolved reliance on animal protein for multiple reasons, some of which are at “pencilneck” levels. Controlling WHERE humanity goes is the secret big game up top in the material world, and more importantly in the spiritual world.

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    2. There’re wonderful gourmet tonic waters from a company named FeverTreeUSA,Inc.
      Marvelous tastes. My fave is Elderflower Tonic Water. reminds my tastebuds of grapefruit.
      Goes well with gin, of all things.

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    3. How about a salad made with peppers, tomatoes, RED lettuce, RED onions, cheese, meat & a sour cream, olive oil & lemon juice or vinegar homemade dressing.

      Good food sources include (36, 37Trusted Source):

      peppers — yellow and green
      onions — red and white
      asparagus — cooked
      red apples
      red grapes
      red leaf lettuce
      berries — all types, such as cranberries, blueberries, and raspberries
      tea — green and black

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        1. I just read that list of QUERCETIN food sources to Hubby and he said, “Someone has been reading your grocery list.” 🤣

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  11. Breathing in ionized air helps in some ways. Room ionizers are available that can be used bedside or next to a desk.

    The pros and cons from studies – an article excerpt:

    PubMed Central
    Highly respected database from the National Institutes of Health
    Go to source of ionization literature also found an effect of negative ionization on many facets of human health.

    Researchers looked at 100 years of studies and found evidence that negative ions could:

    help regulate sleep patterns and mood
    reduce stress
    boost immune system function
    increase metabolismTrusted Source of carbs and fats
    kill or inhibit the growth of harmful bacteria, viruses, and mold species, such as E. coli, Staphylococcus aureus, and the bacterium that causes tuberculosis

    But researchers also noted that there was no evidence that negative ions could:

    reduce serotonin to help manage anxiety
    lower blood pressure
    improve breathing

    Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/negative-ions#benefits

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  12. Here’s my story regarding a similar ChiCom-19 experience some almost 44 years ago.

    I was 22 years old, healthy as an ox. Just out of college engaged to my current wonderful wife, great job and things couldn’t have been better. I was very active in all kinds of sports and continued exercising on a daily basis; i.e. running, lifting weights, golf, baseball, tennis, etc.I was obsessed with physical activity.
    As I did every morning before going to work, I would take a jog around the neighborhood. This one particular morning while I was jogging, it started to mist, not a rain, but a misty fine shower that I endured before heading back for a shower then go to work. By midday, I wasn’t feeling too great and by the evening was coughing, hacking, feeling achy, flu-like symptoms, eventually, severe sore throat…classic respiratory issues without stomach problems. It lingered for over a week, slowly getting better. Like any 22 yo, macho dude, I didn’t need no doctor and powered through. What can I say, that’s what dumb invincible jocks did back then..we ate eggs, meat, and maybe a half beer for breakfast, didn’t do soy milk.

    Well anyway, not a month passed by, after continuing my morning routine, I noticed that when I woke up each morning I was experiencing an achy-ness in my hands and feet. My older brother was studying medicine at the time and suggested I go see the doctor to test for arthritis, since my mom, her mom and dad had RA. Wouldn’t you know it, I was diagnosed with RA and have endured all the meds associated with treating that disease for 44 years. Started with ‘gold injections’ all the way through biologics, like actemra, and currently HCQ among others.

    I have four siblings and none of them have RA. Another part of my family medical history is that my father at age 10 came down with rheumatic fever and almost died. So, I share this to make the point that while genetically, I would assume my family has the RA gene latent within our DNA, something like a virus that I had way back, triggers the RA gene to activate and voila a autoimmune disease occurs. I have read that the family of rheumatic diseases like RA, rheumatic fever may be caused/triggered by a virus.

    I have been taking HCQ for at least 20 years and can honestly say that over that time I have never had the flu, some minor cold-like symptom events. My most recent cold/flu symptom like episode is something both my wife and me had back in December 2019. Runny nose, slight cough, a little tired; but a Dayquil/Nyquil treatment over 3-4 days killed it. I can’t say if it was ChiCom-19 and I can’t claim that the HCQ contributed to a quick recovery, but I would like to think that it helped and for one time in my life appreciate that taking so many meds for RA may have help avoid a more serious issue.

    As for my wife, she has never had any medical problems and at 65 takes zero meds, some vitamins, and walks 2-3 hours every day. Oh, we both drink beer and the occasional gin and tonic, just saying!

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    1. Steve,
      My doctor got RA from an untreated tooth abscess. She self-treated with penicillin because she was too busy to go see a dentist. After she got RA, she went to Canada to see a doctor with an experimental treatment for RA. It cured the RA pain and further deformation. She lobbied like crazy to get it into the USA but the FDA REFUSED TO LOOK AT IT OR approve trials!! That was back in the early 60s

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      1. “the FDA REFUSED TO LOOK AT IT OR approve trials!!”
        Ah Big Pharma at it’s finest! Can’t have no stinking cure for RA too much lost revenue!

        FWIW – I was taking self injection Actemra for RA last yeat at a cost of $120 per 3 month supply/2x per month.
        Since I went on Medicare, that cost would have been approx $7,000. When I was reviewing my medicare
        options, the financial consultant advised me to get my doctor to get Medicare to pre-approve the IV therapy for Actemra. That required a once per month trip to the doctor’s office for a 40 minute IV session. The cost – $0.00; Medicare covers the whole damned thing under Part B.

        Ah Big Government at it’s finest.

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  13. Recap of Treeper info:

    From Carlos thread: *https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1253110157099167744.html

    How to kill virus outside the body:
    Condition Temp Humidity Solar HalfLife
    Surface 70-75F 20% None 18hours
    Surface 70-75F 80% None 6hours
    Surface 95F 80% None 1hour
    Aersol 70-75F 80% Summer 2mins
    Aersol 70-75F 20% None ~60mins
    Aersol 70-75F 20% Summer ~1.5mins

    Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture


    From coosmama and I (I added scientific studies -useful for normies plus other stuff)

    EGCG in bitter green tea (ref 3/17/20) article S.Korea is treating with zinc and green tea, inhibits cytokine storms. This article is regarding EGCG and OA/RA. A little weedy, but good info on how it increases antioxidants, decreases inflammation.

    Elderberry is helpful for most people, esp with flu A or flu B. But if no improvement in symptoms after day 3 of the Chinese Virus or if you are risk for cytokine, then stop using it. We still take it twice daily, every day.

    Review Shows CoQ10 Beneficial for Blood Vessel Health

    [Since Co-Q-10 is an OTC and not patentable not many studies have been done. However good doctors know about it. I had a long talk about it with an heart specialist at a kids party. He was from India. — GC]

    Studies reveal that CoQ10, not only helps maintain healthy levels of cholesterol and inflammation, but may also help blood vessel health.

    Blood vessel dysfunction, characterized by a decrease in an ability to either constrict or relax properly, is considered to be an early marker for atherosclerosis (1, 2). Blood vessel dysfunction is also a reliable predictor of having a heart attack or stroke (3), all of which combine to make heart disease as the #1 cause of death in the United States over the past few decades (4).

    Because research suggests blood vessel dysfunction can nearly triple the risk of having a cardiovascular event (5) while other research shows improved blood vessel function can reduce the risk of cardiovascular events by 86% (6), ways to help improve blood vessel function are a priority. Now a new study (7) suggests that CoQ10, shown previously to help maintain healthy levels of cholesterol (8) and inflammation (9), may also help blood vessel health.

    In the study, researchers analyzing five studies of 194 patients with an average age from 34 to 69 years, lasting between 4 weeks to 12 weeks, and ranging in dosage from 150 to 300 mg per day found a “significant improvement” of coenzyme Q10 on blood vessel dysfunction….

    A South Korean research paper has demonstrated in Vitro that by increasing the Zinc concentration in cellular cytoplasm, that viral replication is inhibited. As intracellular levels of Zinc are increased the inhibition of viral replication can reach 100% according to charts within the paper.

    The researchers used two antimalarial drugs which are Ionophores. Ionophores are molecules that can carry a charged ion like Zinc across a cellular membrane. South Korea has been treating high risk, Critically I’ll COVID-19 patients with the drug Hydroxychloroquine. It is likely the single clinical reason that South Korea has the lowest death rate in the world for COVID-19 victims of 0.6%

    Hydroxychloroquine is a pharmaceutical drug that requires a prescription. However there is a nutritional supplement called Quercetin that is a Zinc Chelator and Ionophore and requires no prescription.
    It’s interesting that there has been a great deal of research done on the ability of Elderberries as an antiviral agent. And Elderberries, Red Wine and Blueberries all three have high amounts of Quercetin. It may be likely that the high Quercetin content of these foods is the reason for their measurable anti-viral properties.

    So what would be better than supplementing Zinc and Quercetin together to elevate intracellular Zinc levels in order to inhibit viral replication? Since there have been no Clinical Trials of this supplement regimen then dosages are your best guess. But even increasing Zinc to levels that result in a thirty percent inhibition seems like a major advantage to the patient, and may be enough to tip the struggle in your favour.

    If you’re looking for a zinc supplement, I’ve been taking this for years. Whatever you decide, go with chelated zinc because it’s the most bio-available form of zinc (i.e. more of it will get absorbed into the bloodstream compared to other forms of zinc).

    Also consider drinking green tea – that’s what I’ve been using. It has a zinc ionophore called EGCG, which has been shown to work similar to quercetin.

    Zinc ionophore activity of quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate: from Hepa 1-6 cells to a liposome model.

    EGCG (Epigallocatechin Gallate): Benefits, Dosage, and Safety

    OR Quercetin appears to be easy to find in 400 or 500mg capsules with recommended dosage of two capsules per day.

    Go with chelated zinc because it’s the most bio-available form of zinc (i.e. more of it will get absorbed into the bloodstream compared to other forms of zinc).


    I have calculated that 16 ounces of tonic water per day equals approx. 290mg of quinine per week. The prophylactic dose of chloroquine is 300mg once per week, which is the closest I can find to quinine dosing.

    Thinkthinkthink’s doctor recommended instead of guaifenisen. (DO NOT USE the DM formuila)
    The Mucolase™ enzyme in Mucostop targets and breaks down excess mucus,  helping you breathe better in any season.* And this all-natural solution clears out the mucus without the drowsiness of other products. All that’s left to do is take a deep breath.

    Enzyme Defense
    Nearly all environmental threats contain proteins that the immune system must identify and break down. Enzymes that break down protein (proteolytic) can support this immune process.* Enzyme Defense gives the immune system a much-needed boost while also supporting healthy circulation.

    Serrapeptase helps the body break down protein. This might help decrease inflammation and mucous.

    Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

    The physicians of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service and the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine urge a nutrient-based method to prevent or minimize symptoms for future viral infection. The following inexpensive supplemental levels are recommended for adults; for children reduce these in proportion to body weight:
    Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses.

    Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)
    meta-analysis of vitamin D as protection against pulmonary infections:

    Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)
    Zinc: 20 mg daily

    Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily

    Vitamin C [1], Vitamin D [2], magnesium [3], zinc [4], and selenium [5] have been shown to strengthen the immune system against viruses.

    The basis for using high doses of vitamin C to prevent and combat virus-caused illness may be traced back to vitamin C’s early success against polio, first reported in the late 1940s.[6] Many people are unaware, even surprised, to learn this. Further clinical evidence built up over the decades, leading to an anti-virus protocol published in 1980.[7]

    It is important to remember that preventing and treating respiratory infections with large amounts of vitamin C is well established. Those who believe that vitamin C generally has merit, but massive doses are ineffective or somehow harmful, will do well to read the original papers for themselves. To dismiss the work of these doctors simply because they had success so long ago sidesteps a more important question: Why has the benefit of their clinical experience not been presented to the public by responsible governmental authorities, especially in the face of a viral pandemic?
    Read the full press release at Orthomolecular . com
    MANY References….

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    1. If you ignore the naysaying academic Goldblum, this article is very interesting…



      COVID-19 damages the hemoglobin, impairing the ability of red blood cells to transport oxygen throughout the body, compromising the lungs and resulting in Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), Italian pharmacology scholar Annalisa Chiusolo explained to The Jerusalem Post.

      If her thesis is correct, it would resolve many outstanding questions about the novel coronavirus, such as the greater vulnerability of men – specifically male diabetics – to become seriously ill from the virus, as well as the lower rate at which pregnant women and children contract COVID-19.

      Moreover, understanding this mechanism could lead the way to a quicker discovery of the most effective drugs to treat the virus.

      Chiusolo is a graduate of the Faculty of Pharmacy of the University of Perugia, Italy, and works as a pharmacist in the European country. Her theory has been published by some of the country’s leading newspapers, including the Italian dailies Il Tempo and Il Giornale.

      She told the Post that SARS-CoV-2, the formal name for the novel coronavirus, needs porphyrins for its survival – and probably for its replication – so it attacks hemoglobin, the protein that carries oxygen in the blood, which translates to less oxygen available for the body. The consequence of less oxygen is the accumulation of carbon dioxide.

      “The lung cells become the site of the cytokine cascade, an enormous immune response, which is responsible for the acute lung inflammation that characterizes COVID-19 pneumonia,” she said. “The value of hemoglobin in the blood can be an important parameter to assess the SARS-CoV-2 infection: In men the normal value of hemoglobin (Hb) is higher than in women. This would explain the higher incidence of COVID-19 pneumonia in men compared to women, and the lower incidence and better prognosis in children and pregnant women, where Hb values are lower due to an increased need of iron, which makes less available this ‘nutrition’ for the virus.”

      PNEUMONIA CAUSED by the coronavirus is also more prominent in elderly patients or middle-aged patients with diabetes, which Chiusolo said is linked to increased glycated hemoglobin.

      As a pharmacist, Chiusolo next evaluated the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat SARS-CoV-2, which in some cases has been found to reduce hospitalizations from the virus. Hydroxychloroquine is currently in use for the treatment of autoimmune diseases worldwide, such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and has been used for years to treat malaria.

      She said that in addition to the drug’s antiviral and immunomodulatory effect, it binds to the ferriprotoporphyrin of the ecgonine methyl ester (EME), blocking the key enzyme of malaria. “So, I thought this same mechanism could be used against SARS-CoV-2… Indeed, a study by a Chinese university shows that SARS-CoV-2 binds to the beta chain of hemoglobin, inhibiting EME metabolism.”
      Ferriprotoporphyrin is the group responsible for the oxygen binding of hemoglobin.
      Dr. Giovanni Martinelli, scientific director at the Istituto Scientifico Romagnolo per lo Studio e la Cura dei Tumori (IRCCS), validated that “much of the effects of oxygen starvation in COVID patients may be due to the displacement of Hbs protoporphyrin.”
      Chiusolo said that hydroxychloroquine could act as a prophylactic, preventing or limiting the symptoms of the disease while waiting for the formulation of the vaccine that specifically stimulates the antibody response of the body. She said it could make the patient immune to COVID-19 and/or limit its side effects.
      The drug has been under investigation worldwide, including in the United States, after President Donald Trump last month called it a “game-changer” in the fight against coronavirus.

      The Italian Medicines Agency (AIFA), the national authority responsible for drug regulation in Italy, has an approved trial of hydroxychloroquine on 2,500 patients, which will start in early July and focus on the use of hydroxychloroquine in prophylaxis, Chiusolo said. The study, for which preliminary data would be ready within 16 weeks, will look at whether the preventive intake of the drug decreases the probability of contracting COVID-19 when one comes directly into contact with a positive patient.

      THE ROLE of hydroxychloroquine in the prevention and fight against coronavirus was also the subject of a study published in The International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, which describes how a healthcare worker infected with the novel coronavirus traveled freely within a hospital before being diagnosed with the virus.

      “It was not possible to quarantine everyone who had come into contact with the healthcare worker,” Chiusolo said. So, they treated 211 healthcare professionals and patients with hydroxychloroquine. After 10 days, nobody tested positive for the coronavirus.

      Furthermore, Chiusolo told the Post, the Italian Society of Rheumatology interviewed 1,200 rheumatologists throughout Italy to collect statistics on contagions. Out of an audience of 65,000 chronic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients who systematically take hydroxychloroquine, only 20 patients tested positive for the virus.

      “Nobody died, nobody is in intensive care, according to the data collected so far,” Chiusolo said.
      However, she admitted that the drug is known to have some severe side-effects, especially for patients with heart disease.

      The drug was recently linked with increased risk of cardiac arrhythmia in COVID-19 patients by a research team at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC) in Boston.

      “The accumulating evidence is that there is limited data to suggest efficacy and there’s growing evidence that suggests toxicity,” Dr. Howard Gold, infectious disease doctor at BIDMC, said of the drug hydroxychloroquine in an interview published by the Boston Herald.

      The BIDMC study evaluated 90 adults infected with the novel virus, each of whom received at least one day’s treatment of hydroxychloroquine, which can stay in the body for up to three weeks, …

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    1. More on using zinc and quercetin as a home remedy/supplement in general and specifically for this virus.

      What I like about food sources (or supplements derived from food sources) is that one is getting a full spectrum of the plant’s benefits which usually include nutrients yet to be “discovered”/labeled.

      We are making sure to include various foods in our diet, with variety and quality being key but are also using/taking supplements.

      So far so good.


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    2. I play mud and one of my clan has had Vitiamin D as part of their name. A week ago it was like dang—His country knows what is up

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    3. Make that RED apples.

      Quercetin is a pigment that belongs to a group of plant compounds called flavonoids.

      Flavonoids are present in vegetables, fruits, grains, tea, and wine. They have been linked to several health benefits, including reduced risks of heart disease, cancer, and degenerative brain disorders (1Trusted Source, 2Trusted Source)….

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  14. Here’s some general advice for buying any supplement. You want to buy the most bioavailable version of a supplements. “Bioavailability” is a measure of how much of the vitamin actually gets absorbed into your blood stream. You usually need to go online to buy the most bioavailable versions, and it’s probably going to be more expensive than what the local pharmacy is selling. In my experience of treating health issues with vitamins for many, many years, yes, higher-quality bioavailable supplements make a notable enough difference to justify the extra money.

    Since we’re talking about zinc, you want chelated zinc if you care about bio-availability. I’ve personally used zinc glycinate chelate from Carlson labs (link below) for about ten years. I’ve used generic supermarket zinc supplements when I’ve run out the good Carlson stuff, and yes, I noticed the difference.

    If you a try a supplement and don’t notice a difference after a few weeks, try a different brand. I once tried BlueBonnet brand’s chelated zinc. I’m not convinced there was any zinc in those BlueBonnet vitamins because the health issue I was using the zinc for came back when I started using them. Stay away from BlueBonnet. This is what I mean about not all vitamins being equal. You really need to do your research and be prepared to shop around.

    One other overlooked thing about vitamins is the inactive ingredients. IMO, if you’re buying vitamins to improve health, then you should stay away from anything that has artificial dye or as few inactive ingredients as possible. Do research before buying anything labeled “time release,” as some companies use some very nasty chemicals for time release pills. I stay away from “time release” anything.



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    1. Good tips!
      I’ve been tinkering with supplements for a couple decades.

      I’ve learned to avoid Amazon (too much counterfeit).
      I’ve found certain brands that are “clean” or at least cleaner.

      I’ve learned to pay more for fresh stock (iherb.com or direct from manufacturer).
      I’ve learned that premium price doesn’t equal premium quality, but sometimes it does.

      Enzymedia Repair Gold is $55 for 120 capsules but I know of a person that started to get the early CV symptom of profound fatigue and took 10 capsules 3 times a day for 2.5 days and never had the main viral or respiratory stages of the virus. Their spouse was exposed at the same time to the same asymptomatic carrier and did get a mild (but lingering) case of what seemed to be CV.

      I’m also careful to keep reviewing what is being taken to change things up and not just set a new threshold for the body. One naturopath suggests taking one day a week off from all supplements. Others use certain supplements for a week and then take a couple weeks off before adding back in.

      I’m really happier to get main nutrients in food where all the accessory factors are present but have some family that will never be that careful to hear what their body is asking for.

      The main point for dealing with the CCP biowarfare threats is to enjoy the empowerment that comes from knowing you can care for yourself and not live in fear.

      Time to reopen this country!

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      1. I second that. I take supplements but I also try to eat the foods with the nutrients. With veggies I much prefer to go raw or lightly cooked if I can.

        Also do not over look the herbs and spices, esp. those you can grow your self.

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  15. Dextromethorphan . . . NYQUIL ! ! ! Possible WARNING!

    In the last four weeks, we have tested 47 of these drugs and compounds in the lab against live coronavirus. I’m happy to report we’ve identified some strong treatment leads and identified two separate mechanisms for how these drugs affect SARS-CoV-2 infection. Our findings were published on April 30 in the journal Nature.

    Interestingly, a seventh compound – an ingredient commonly found in cough suppressants, called dextromethorphan – does the opposite: Its presence helps the virus. When our partners tested infected cells with this compound, the virus was able to replicate more easily, and more cells died.

    This is potentially a very important finding, but, and I cannot stress this enough, more tests are needed to determine if cough syrup with this ingredient should be avoided by someone who has COVID-19.


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    1. Dextromethorphan is the stuff added to Guaifenesin. Guaifenesin is an expectorant. It helps loosen congestion in your chest and throat, making it easier to cough it up and get rid of it.
      Mucinex, robitussin, tussin are the names you will see. IF IT HAS DM it means they added dextromethorphan.

      So buy Robitussin and not Robitussin DM.

      The DM is fine for allergies BTW, just not for infections.

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      1. Interestingly, my son Josiah post Liver Transplant is Only supposed to use Guaifenesin for coughs & absolutely no Ibuprophen for fever, just acetaminophen or I suppose aspirin, as he’s already on a daily baby aspirin for his heart…

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  16. Question: Why not classify Hydroxychloroquine as OTC?

    It DEFEATS ChiComVirus 90+% of the time!

    It’s SAFER than TYLENOL, which warns us of possible
    • ACCIDENTS if taken with ALCOHOL

    We can follow the TYLENOL ADVISORIES like
    • Consulting a HEALTH PROFESSIONAL under specified circumstances
    • Asking a DOCTOR or PHARMACIST [in case of Heart Conditions]

    What the hell do we have to lose!!!

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    1. OTC is better than active suppression by the authorities, but I would prefer easy prescription, personally. I think pushing for OTC may just fail into cracking the prejudice against HCQ.

      I suspect that too many yahoos would mis-dose with it, and it has a really BAD therapeutic index. BUT perhaps with stringent warnings, yes on OTC. But HCQ can do severe damage in O.D., and it’s very easy to O.D. One of the most insidious things is that it has a really LONG half-life – which makes it incredibly useful as a prophylactic, but can cause a sneaky build-up of blood levels.


      Chloroquine is much worse.

      Best thing of pushing for OTC is that it may just EASE getting a prescription. Shoot for the big prize, get a decent runner-up.

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      1. The Demo☭rats will NEVER allow an “easy prescription”.

        Their Trial Lawyers will intimidate the hell out of doctors with threats of investigation and blackballing.

        OTC thoughts below would flip their Gameplan against them.

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      1. Let’s go for an ANNOUNCEMENT!
        • Publish the total cases PRESCRIBED.
        • Plus resulting RECOVERIES & DEATHS.
        • Broken down by Age and Co-Morbidities

        Then the KILL SHOT:
        • “Ask your DOCTOR to DOCUMENT the reasons for REFUSING to PRESCRIBE” the “de facto STANDARD of TREATMENT”.
        • “Then call AMBULANCE CHASERS of AMERICA”

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  17. I’m a long time user and believer in the Airborne immunity booster. I now use their daily vitamins. Every person that has followed up on my suggestion reported getting sick less often or not catching ANY of the bugs going through their work or school environment. I’ve learned quite a bit reading the other comments.

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    1. Yes, my husband is quick to take Airborne or Zicam, or generic “equivalents” when stuff is running through our family & he rarely gets sick. Of course we practice “social distancing” in the home from anyone with active illness so usually only 1 or 2 of the 5 of us gets something…& we live in less than 1500 sq feet home…

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  18. “I get the same good effects of reduced hypoxia and better breathing, without the mild but annoying quinine side effects like tinnitus (ringing in the ears).”



    Don’t want to mess around with anything that might cause that. Very sensitive hearing… which is very necessary for listening to music… which is very necessary to my health… 😁

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  19. “A merry heart doeth good like a medicine” Keep up the joy & laughter daily. Cover your condition in prayer, even have other’s praying for you. We need you fully functional to keep the Pack on Track!

    Oh, your McGyver concept reminds me of how my brother used to call my husband that. I think he learned some skills from his forebears, & got encouragement from his wife who’d rather get a cheap than a pretty solution some times. Here’s some examples:

    We’re newly weds & he’s changing the oil on my car. It was a very badly designed oil filter location & he couldn’t get in there to get the proper torque to get it off. He ended up pounding a screwdriver into the side of the filter to create a lever to turn.

    Our son Brandon, the bike destructo-king, had bent the frame on his bike so Michael wedges the misaligned part into the fork of the tree in our backyard for some major leverage & bends the bike back into usable shape.

    We needed to re-do the roof on the house so hubby got some bids & they were all ridiculously high so he decides to do the roof again, with help from our kids (they refused to let me on the roof). So the part with the really steep slope, where “real” roofers nail down two by fours to get around, well he uses the same tree in our backyard, tosses a length of rope to our son (NOT Josiah LOL) to secure to the tree. He ties the other end around his waist & sets it up in such a way that he can adjust the length for slow rappelling around that slope. So he needs one hand on the rope & he often needs a hand to hold a shingle to position it. So he ties the large shears needed to trim the end pieces to a rope with enough slack to enable tool usage, as needed. He does the same thing with the rented pneumatic nail gun. Now Michael was an Eagle Scout & he knows his knots…The nail gun has a couple of safety mechanisms so it “can’t” accidentally go off. Well some series of events happens, I’m unclear on the details, but M comes into the house limping saying he shot himself in the leg with the nail gun! This nail is embedded through his jeans & maybe socks in his lower calf. So I pull the nail out, clean off the wound w/ soap & water, then slather on hand sanitizer because I can’t find either alcohol or hydrogen peroxide. I bandage it up the best I can with what’s on hand. The sun’s going down, the nail gun rental will be due back, & no one but him is “qualified” to supervise the remainder of the roof. So he decides to soldier on & get the job done. He goes to the doctor the next day or so, just to get things checked out & get a tetanus shot & the doc basically says we did a great job & everything looks fine!

    The moral of that story is that now he legitimately uses the phrase “I’d rather get shot in the leg with a nail gun than…” & most any illness, including the ChiComScamVirus, would fill that ellipses!

    Mike-gyver is MY Man!!! 😉

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  20. “You and I are going to have trouble even getting tested, much less treated EARLY.”

    Reagents are made in USA, because they are temperature-sensitive, and have to be shipped to the testing location packed in dry ice.

    But ingredients for the reagents are made in China, and CCP is ever-so-typically playing hardball with supplying them. Hence, hospitals and so forth keep running low on reagents, and have to ration the testing to make them last.

    This is yet another reason many people are hesitant to criticize China publicly, or hold it accountable. They are afraid of China retaliating by embargoing the reagent ingredients.

    Heard all this on Steve Bannon’s War Room Pandemic podcast.

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  21. After my order of zinc supplements fell through and not being able to find a replacement that meets my very high standards, I just took the nuclear option. I purchased 1 kg on zinc powder. This should be provide over 20,000+ doses which will last a very, very long time. I’ll report back on my experience once the powder arrives and I use it for awhile.

    A STRONG WORD OF CAUTION. I have personal experience with using, measuring, and calculating doses of supplement powders. If you choose this option, you MUST do your research, invest in a good milligram scale, and be prepared to be a human guinea for a weeks as you adjust the dosage up or down as needed.

    I’m only posting this here for others who might find the powder option useful.

    Here are two places where you can purchase bulk zinc powder.



    (Cross-posted the the “Going MacGyver” thread and the 5/14/20 Open Thread)

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