20200410: America Goes Back to Work! Are YOU Ready to Ditch CoVid?

Are you ready to hug a stranger? Go back to work? Have a drink in a pub? Go to a wedding? On vacation? Ride a bike? Play in a park? America is ready. The peanut gallery is grumbling. This thread will still serve as our China Flu thread but we’re beginning to focus more on GOOD NEWS, looking for green sprouts in our economy and evidence of “smashing the curve”.

“Commies can’t SURF!!!” Ya’ gotta love this guy.

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403 thoughts on “20200410: America Goes Back to Work! Are YOU Ready to Ditch CoVid?

    1. OK, I have problems with Peoples_Pundit’s reasoning here.

      Becoming unemployed is hardly fun, but it’s not a destroyed life. Especially when the recovery will be quick. But let’s make allowances for hyperbole and move on.

      So Fauci managed to destroy tens of millions of Americans’ lives? How did he do this?

      Are you saying these precautions we are taking are overkill/excessive? If so, why has Donald Trump done NOTHING to countermand them, and in fact has encouraged them? He could END this any time, you know–if it were bogus. And he’d know it long before we did. So…apparently either Donald Trump cannot see what is plain to you, or he is COMPLICIT.

      Personally I find it easier to believe this isn’t bogus, than to believe PDJT let it happen when it didn’t have to.

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      1. By now most people are used to getting fired, laid-off or having the company they work for close. The days of working for 30 years at the same company are long gone for most people.

        The people who are really hurting are small businesses like Daughn and I. Three years of President Trump, business is brisk, the future is looking bright so you loosen up a bit and decide to invest more into the business… And then OOPS you are out of business for a couple of months or more.

        For certain businesses you can recoup with the surge in business once things open back up. For restaurants, Motel/hotels, daycares, live entertainment, the profit from the ‘room/day’ is GONE and you will never ever get it back yet your base expenses remain. For start-ups or those who went out on a limb and plowed money into their business based on projected sales, you are SCREWED.

        There are 24,331,403 small businesses with no employees and 5,265,682 with 1 to 20 employees.

        The median income for individuals self-employed at their own incorporated businesses was $50,347 in 2016. For individuals self-employed at their own unincorporated firms, this figure was $23,060. So these people are not exactly rolling in $$$.

        So tens of millions? No, that is an exaggeration. But hundreds of thousands? Quite likely because not only are you hurting the small business owner, you are also hurting his employees who often are the ‘un-employables’ The people large corporations are not interested in hiring.

        This is why President Trump is concerned about small businesses.

        Info from: https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/advocacy/2018-Small-Business-Profiles-US.pdf

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        1. Funny to hear President Trump talking about Business Interruption Insurance.
          Yeah, I’ve paid for it for 26yrs.
          Apparently, I can’t make a claim?

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        2. Indeed. You bring in some good points.

          My larger point remains.

          However many people it was, how did Fauci ruin them? Not without a lot of help from Trump. It’s just amazing to me how the people who consider all to have been bogus somehow don’t realize that the buck, all along, has stopped with Trump, and that–if their premise is true A) Trump surely must realize it’s bogus and B) he’s letting it happen anyway.

          As I said, I’d rather believe it’s real, regrettable, necessary, and therefore NOT Fauci’s fault, than to believe it’s Fauci AND Trump’s fault. There is no “It’s Fauci’s fault and his fault alone” possibility.

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          1. Steve, Pundit is reacting to an insulting comment from someone else. Hype begets hype in the heat of the moment. We’ve all done it.

            Your points are well-taken, but FauXi’s destruction goes well beyond this virus if he’s been complicit in stalling vaccines for HIV; collaborating on vaccines that endanger us from other illnesses, and denying approval of existing therapies in favor of unnecessary vaccines. No one knows what all Dr. Doom has been involved in globally.

            Twitter is a place to vent.

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              1. It’s fine. Everything is open to interpretation and our personal perspective. I can’t look at Dr. FauXi now without seeing Bill Gates and the horrific effects he’s caused in the world, including India with a vaccine. It’s hard not to rage against the damage they’ve all done collectively and cumulatively.

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              2. Lotta comeuppance coming.

                It’s an imperfect world and sometimes you can’t prove it to a court when you HAVE to, so sometimes someone skates. (It’s the price we pay to have a system that tries very hard not to wrongfully convict.) But I sure hope these people hang in a gruesome and educational manner after due process of law.

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              3. LOL, now that’s a good use for that hashtag.

                By educational, incidentally, I mean public, and honestly I wouldn’t mind heads on pikes, but that would be “cruel and unusual” so it’s just a fantasy.

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      2. Yes! Trump was smart. He listened CONSERVATIVELY to Fauci and Birx. He mitigated strongly enough to guarantee saving of life. SMART.

        It’s very simple – we CONSCIOUSLY over-killed an UNKNOWN, NEW, HIDDEN, and SMART enemy.

        Now, as we know more, we need to dial back SMARTLY.

        This is not hard.

        Trump REASONED CORRECTLY DURING DECEPTION, DISINFORMATION, AND INTENTIONAL MISLEADING of both HIM and THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

        We understand MORE now. NOW we apply that knowledge and SAVE THE ECONOMY.

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        1. Yeah, I agree it’s time for some CAUTIOUS dial-back.

          But first, make sure TESTS and HCZ are easily available. I saw a rumor here PDJT was thinking of tests in pharmacies…good start!

          That way if people start feeling ill in some place we relaxed in, it will be easier to stomp out, lest we repeat Japan’s recent experience.

          And I’d still like to see people who KNOW they are running a fever–of whatever kind–wear a mask, as a simple bit of politeness if nothing else. (“What are you doing going around giving everyone your damn cold?”) But that should be a social change, not a Government Fiat change.

          I remember flying cross country to take a class for work, and the instructor announced, “Sorry I have a real bad headcold” and then proceeded to teach the class anyway, looking over our shoulders as we did exercises, breathing all over us…at least I don’t recall him sneezing.

          You can bet the nearest Walgreens was STRIPPED of its vitamin C at lunchtime, about 5 seconds after we got there.

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          1. Actually, this is a good way to get Fauci and Birx on board with the new task force. If we use the roll-back to increase stronger but more selective “micro-mitigations” and new techniques, we can keep strong mitigation while loosening things up for the workforce. So they still have a role to play, and (in my experience) the libtards REALLY want to virtue signal on mitigations, so give them MORE to help people go back to work.

            One of the most hopeful signs is the CONFIRMATION that many, many people already had this stuff. I was thinking 10%, P-rex was thinking 90%, and it is quite possibly halfway in between – about 50%. This hospital in Chicago found 30-50% of those tested had antibodies:

            https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody#.XpBVDNlikp0.twitter

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            1. I would find 90 percent hard to believe. I don’t think I know anyone In Real Life (IRL) who reports what you (and so many others here) reported.

              [Of course even this logic can go wrong. The urinalists at the New York Times couldn’t believe Nixon had gotten re-elected; they knew no one who had voted for him.]

              I may just be lucky in my choice of friends.

              One thing I’d like to know, though is just exactly how specific the antibody test is. Will it report SIMILAR antibodies too? Because I still suspect you-all had a different strain than this one. (I’ve at least come up with a different idea too, but it’s still something to keep in mind as a possibility.)

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              1. I’ve been keeping my eyes on coronavirus strain research. If the Telluride antibody test people are not lying to us, then they are NOT picking up ANY false positives from ANY of the pre-COVID-19 non-SARS coronavirus “flu-like” strains. They supposedly did 900 American samples pre-dating any chance of COVID/SARS and got no false positives, but that’s assuming they’re not lying (clown ties, almost for sure).

                This success is not at all unbelievable, since research on mutation is showing MANY mutations, but ALL in a limited range, giving rise to 3-8 main strains, depending upon how one cuts the massive branching. The number of “main strains” has shifted over time.

                A good current window is here:

                https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-04-10

                This is basically a “whatever we can get” data set. Note that these people have almost no data for IRAN, which is one of the most likely sources of my infection. However, based on what is known, the strains are all very similar in effects, and outcomes are largely determined by PATIENT HEALTH. My early smoking would be what got me.

                Cambridge University is trying to spin the strain explanations back a bit from an earlier interpretation which supported a chimera. Remember that one early functional analysis from India was “talked into retraction” by the CCP. It’s pretty transparent what Cambridge is doing – carrying CCP water just like the MSM. Somebody – likely China – sent a shill after me on it, too – that hasn’t happened in a while. I feel like I’m definitely over the target.

                I’ll probably be getting tested soon. We’ll see.

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              2. Unfortunately I don’t know what to make of this…because no dates are given for any of it. (You know them, I don’t!) So I don’t know whether it blows holes in my (admittedly not medically rigorous) hypothesis or not.

                If I understood correctly, you had to drop the quinine, which is a shame. If I understand the “hypoxia” hypothesis correctly, once the virus is gone, you SHOULD get your functioning back (or do lungs not heal?) certainly the red blood cells ought to get back to nominal function if only through attrition (they tend to die and be replaced fairly quickly, if I recall).

                So that makes me think you’ve got a low-level, continuing infection of…something. And thus it’s a shame you had to stop the quinine.

                Obviously, you’re going to keep us posted; I’m sure many are looking forward to the updates.

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              3. Yeah, I just read the first couple of paragraphs.

                Freaky. No increase in symptoms, they’re just carrying the shit around. I remember “scare stories” about this happening, derided at the time by those who cry “fear porn” at the first bit of bad news.

                If the study mentioned HCZ/Zn, I didn’t see it. If it works as we think it does, it should kill this thing DEAD and this kind of recrudescence (of the ChiComCrud) would be impossible unless via a reinfection.

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              4. Exactly. We THINK that HCQ kills it, but not sure. gudthots has ANOTHER study by Didier Raoult which had 4.4% “poor virological outcome”. That could be me. If I have it, it may be bloodstream, not lungs, and that’s why I’m not transmitting it – except maybe in blood or stools.

                Or it could be gone or “further knocked down”. Who knows?

                A lot of people are thinking that the hypoxia is due to interference with hemoglobin, hence the antimalarials somehow getting it THAT WAY, too.

                Or I got reinfected. Entirely possible.

                Wild.

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              5. The test might lend some clarity–by coming up negative. Coming up positive could still mean almost anything, honestly.

                Fricking Chinese!!!

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              6. Definitely give dates on things like this! It makes it easier to correlate events.

                The one day I am most interested in knowing the date of is the day we kick china’s ass so hard the steel toed boot chips their teeth.

                But I can accept that you don’t know that one yet. (*sigh*)

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  1. Today was my first trip out since getting sick. I went to Walmart to pick up a small order of groceries. Here’s my ground report. I was amazed how many people were out and about. After seeing the camera shots on Tucker of the big cities with no one one the streets, I expected it to look like a ghost town. Nope. Normal traffic on the streets.

    Walmart parking lot was as full as it ever was. Lowe’s parking lot was jammed. One small local diner I passed had every spot in it’s parking lot full, too, and they were of course just doing pick up service.

    I was unable to order TP (not available) and was limited to two cans of green beans and some other limitations and things out of stock, but it filled in nicely for the Safeway order that I will finally be able to pick up on Monday. (No TP available there, either, and none of the canned goods I tried to get).

    What a GOOD thing I had the foresight to stock up on TP………..I’m not out yet. I can last another month if I have to…….

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        1. Glad to hear that Sylvia.

          Now you can use your shovel to knock some sense into Fauci, the FDA and CDC.

          Hubby is getting sick of hearing me scream at the computer every time that smarmy little rat answers a ‘pre-rehearsed’ question from the urinalists.

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    1. Good to hear that you are feeling so much better.

      If you feel like sharing, curious if you had the test and if so have you been cleared now with another test, now testing negative.

      We have gone back and forth about getting tested – pros/cons. Of course, if we had complications or a serious case the obvious pro is getting the proper meds. and if we were hospitalized we would of course be tested.

      But if we had a case that was not serious or we had known exposure … would we get tested or just self quarantine? Pros/cons…not sure we would do. would we want this on our medical record?

      if we didn’t get tested, then how would we know when we were no longer shedding, no longer contagious? How long past symptoms would we no longer be shedding a danger to others and how would we know without a test?

      Just not sure. Would welcome input.

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    2. While you were getting better, I took the liberty of sharpening the edges of your shovel to a shaving edge. I also reinforced the shaft and put a non-slip grip on the handle. A WWI trench soldier would be jealous.

      It’s ready and waiting for you. Swing away!

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  2. Ground Report from Managers Meeting, FEDEX Memphis
    Great News!
    We’re blowing and going, baby!
    Management forecast for as soon as this is over with is through the roof!!
    2nd quarter is WAY UP
    Busier than ever.
    We’re kicking UPS Brownshirt A$$
    Husband received two promotions in a month, everyone moving up and filling in.
    400 job openings at smaller facility alone.

    Tents set up outside to check people before they go in to work. Temperature check starts on Sunday.
    Chick-Fil-A brought in for lunch!!

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  3. Ground report from local LOWES big box store.
    Packed to the brim.
    No social distancing whatsoever
    Managers selling and discounting everything like crazy.
    Everyone is happy and buying garden stuff, fixing up their houses.
    Big T has his flowers and two half-price Easter Lilies
    Quite a few people with masks on, all older.
    All is right with the world.

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  4. So, if NYC, NO and Albany, GA proved that not social distancing and not choosing to “mitigate” increases infections and increases them quickly then doesn’t that mean that where the infections are lower than expected in other places because mitigations are working?

    If the models were based on Americans not mitigating then doesn’t it makes sense that they were wrong based on faulty data of Americans not voluntarily cooperating?

    I get confused when we both criticize the non mitigators who were late to social distance and yet skeptical of why those places that are social distancing and have lower than expected cases. Those ideas seem opposite.

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  5. Rosie Memos asked, what if November was first wave and February was second wave?

    #CCP lied. People died.

    “Giuseppe Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research, in Milan, said some family doctors in Lombardy had reported unusual cases of pneumonia late last year that now looked potentially suspicious.

    He said among those were several cases of bilateral pneumonia – which means both lungs are affected – in the areas of Gera D’Adda and Crema in late November and December, with high fever, cough, fatigue and difficulty breathing.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN21D2IG

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  6. What TN hospitals and gov officials are going by:
    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2020/04/09/vanderbilt-coronavirus-modeling-5-000-people-hospitalize-peak-in-june/5119845002/

    Goes along with the link I posted previously:
    http://new.newsedge.com/?cmmd=readStory&key=951gFlpsCk9CgigZPwofTrFIwKoYeMEa3VJeAot8aJuYLE10FlNel1cXOV2JnZubVZaAeUYnjWD9Mj8yoQT8af-3C-Eefz313Qy8A01dkLkyptPUhn3gK9QuLB3ZAtUXPVdVjl1bdaHOJyikup5cng**&client=rssfeed_25000_s182224&uurp=1

    Husband working late night again tonight as hospitals continue to prepare for surge in patients even while desperate for cashflow as they hold beds open, waiting…layoffs, pay cuts, etc. while they wait…. Glad he has a job v. being upset at the long hours for all of these weeks. And feels kind of good to know he is doing something to directly help the clinical workers and certain hospitals with the WuFlu patients. Would feel better without the thoughts of layoffs and already dealing with pay cuts. ugh! But, again, glad to have a job when many don’t.

    Eventually, we have got to let Wuflu work its way through the populace at a pace the hospitals can handle. We flattened the curve – mitigated to slow the spread. We were not trying to contain the virus or eliminate the virus. As we open back up, it will spread…but we have to open back up, slowly and when hospitals are ready..but we Need to Begin to open back up. Both the curves have the same # of patients – just different time frames of when they would be infected and when peak hospitalizations would occur.

    Will people be surprised that WuFlu is still here and still spreading as we go back to “normal”? Will they be made at President Trump when people continue to become infected and a percentage cont. have complications and negative outcomes?

    Well, they will blame him Literally no matter what he does. So he just has to do what he thinks is best. Prayers for him, as always.

    So encouraged by “new” (some are not actually new meds, of course) treatments and the speed at doctors are learning about the virus and trying new things like oxygenating the blood. To me this is our best bet – to render the virus to a mostly mild situation or at least very treatable with short hospital stays for the cases with complications. Prayers for that, too!

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  7. Traveling tomorrow to Nebraska for work. Looks like my temperature will be taken a lot on this trip. Lots of businesses putting in rules for entry plus PPE. Not a fan of all this BS being an anti government type but I need to get my work done. So I comply where I have to and ignore the rest.

    Some of these governors need to be run out of State. I don’t think they realize what is going to come at them.

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