20200403: CoronaCRISIS/ China Virus Daily Thread

For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.

We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.

For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.

Primary Update Links:

In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:

  • Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
  • Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
  • Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates 
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
  • An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
  • Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
  • Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
  • Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.  
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Other news items

Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:

Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.

Love to all!

524 thoughts on “20200403: CoronaCRISIS/ China Virus Daily Thread

  1. If what I’ve read is correct, the “Coronavirus Test” is general and non-specific. It will come up positive for any coronavirus infection, including the very common and mild ones that exist all around the world.

    Some info to factor into data on how many tested positive for coronavirus, or how mild or bad someone symptoms were or could be . . .

    There are around seven coronaviruses identified by scientists to date that affect human beings and cause mild to severe symptoms:

    Common human coronaviruses
    – People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses. Such viruses are often harmless and may cause mild respiratory tract infection, especially during the winter season. People often get infected with these coronaviruses at some point in their lives, get recovered and may get the infection again after a few months.

    229E (alpha coronavirus)
    NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
    OC43 (beta coronavirus)
    HKU1 (beta coronavirus)

    The various symptoms of these coronaviruses may be:
    • Runny nose
    • Sore throat
    • Cough
    • Headache
    • Fever
    • Sneezing
    • Fatigue

    The remaining three coronaviruses have possible severe and life-threatening symptoms.

    MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
    – severe respiratory illness with symptoms of fever, cough and hortness of breath. Some people also had diarrhea and nausea/vomiting. For many people with MERS, additional severe complications followed, such as pneumonia and kidney failure.

    SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS) –
    And
    SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)
    – In general, SARS begins with a high fever (greater than 100.4°F. Other symptoms may include headache, an overall feeling of discomfort, and body aches. Some people also have mild respiratory symptoms at the outset. About 10 percent to 20 percent of patients have diarrhea. After 2 to 7 days, SARS patients may develop a dry cough, followed by difficulty breathing and a persistent pain or pressure in the chest. Many patients develop pneumonia.

    Excerpted and paraphrased from:
    * http://www.boldsky.com/health/disorders-cure/human-coronavirus-causes-symptoms-treatment-prevention/articlecontent-pf210733-131808.html
    * https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

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    1. Before the end of December they had a human to human transmission case (husband and wife) by the end of December they had indications it was transferring to hospital staff.

      @14:51 — Dec 30th(?) RNA Analysis finding SARS corona virus & BACTERIA COLONIES
      ⬆️⬆️⬆️ IMPORTANT!

      From this flows two points:
      #1. In the USA pneumonia could easily have been misidentified as ‘bacterial’ pneumonia
      #2. Azithromycin would help eliminate these ‘bacterial colonies’

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  2. Vermont gov’t declares people can’t buy seeds for home gardens right at planting time??

    GENIUS!!

    No one will notice this totalitarian mask drop.

    smh

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    1. My favorite local (Santa Clara County, CA) overstep is that businesses with “essential” and “non-essential” components are advised to shut down the non-essential parts. The example they give is a gas station with attached car wash. Pumping gas is “essential”, but car washes are “non-essential” and should be turned-off — despite using zero human contact. I can understand using Cloward-Piven with overwhelming human unemployment…….but robot unemployment?

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      1. Therefore, I can be a crappy Dem Governor, and because I am too big to fail and have the media on my side…. the feds will bail me out.
        Ridiculous.

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        1. ^^^ We are watching it every day.

          Reported roughly 5 PM daily. Hope Americans are paying attention. D-Rat governors and mayors failures at “readiness” and absolutely clueless management skills reported every day..

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      1. probably another empty gesture (remember, she’s the one that proposed Congressional pay withheld…and you see how much traction that got).
        Not sure USA, much less Congress, has any authority at all in this regard. Maybe., threatening to withhold funds, but generally never happens, and these international organizations (UN) know it.
        McSally is up for election, as I recall…all of this noise (perhaps with good intentions) is free publicity for her.

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  3. Good news in my state regarding the HCQ/Z-pack treatment. One of the earliest outbreaks of the China Virus in Oregon was in a veterans home here. One of the doctors there treated 8 of those veterans with the HCQ/Z-pack and 7 have recovered, including that 103 year old veteran you may have read about.

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  4. Two coworkers of mr gil’s died from CV today. Non direct coworkers and not in same area close, but he’s scared now. Both had copd, died while on vents. They were obese also. One also had heart disease.

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      1. No. Nearby but different working department. He knew them as coworkers. They believe they have connectd all the exposure dots and cleaned. Doesnt mean more isnt likely.

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              1. Glad to hear the nettles is working, Gail. I lived on nettles tea and face masks for a few really bad allergy spring seasons, and then my allergies mostly went away. The pine’s yellow pollen is a nightmare.

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    1. Yes, this stuff will kill people with almost anything wrong with their lungs. It’s a MONSTER.

      I smoked for 17 years and quit at the first sign of decreased physical endurance. I knew that I HAD to quit. That was over 30 years ago. I had GREAT lungs and strong immunity. And yet it seriously messed with my lungs. I didn’t realize it until now, but I almost needed a ventilator.

      People with lung problems need to STAY INDOORS. Have food delivered. Just don’t take chances.

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      1. Based on your experience, do you think that quinine plus zinc should be used prophylactically?

        That is my current plan, based on your report today. My DH has to work with the public, as does my daughter. Both considered essential.

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        1. I woke up this morning having slept like a rock and BREATHING THROUGH MY NOSE.

          Although it was WEARING OFF and I needed more. Morning tonic water and all better. Now for more zinc.

          This is the real stuff.

          I would go for it. And IMO the drink manufacturers need to (1) crank out tons of DIET tonic waters (the sugar feeds the virus cycle – not as effective, IMO), and (2) offer an “extra stiff” quinine version.

          BTW, zinc supplements are already running low in the pharmacies.

          MORE ZINC
          MORE QUININE

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          1. I’ve been drinking diet quinine water for years…always have a bottle bedside…primarily for foot cramps but if I wake up for any reason, I drink some.
            Well, DH’s task today after golf is to get me a few 6 packs ‘cause you just know that once “the word” gets out it will be like TP (even Scotts!)
            Lord, all this stocking up and being prepared is wearing me out!
            Got chicken bone stock in the slow cooker right now. I can’t face another chicken entree right now, and the clucking sounds coming from DH are sending a message, so the rest of it is vacuum-sealed in the freezer.

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            1. Just a thought … liquor stores carry tonic and are probably less busy than grocery stores right now. It might cost a tad more, but worth a try.

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          2. Unfortunately, we can’t do aspartame and other artificial sweeteners here in this family (familial intolerance), BUT the old man had NO PROBLEM with me handing him a bottle of tonic water and telling him to drink up when he and the whiny one got here from Florida. So happy since I REALLY don’t want to have to repeat the ICU of 1996 when he did the stroke thing.

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            1. I was pleased to read that a half-gallon bottle (2 liters) of tonic water is a therapeutic dose of quinine. Have not numerically verified that, but it means that we are likely hitting really therapeutic zinc levels, even with this jury-rigged set-up. But I really need to find a better zinc source. 40 mg/day is about a half or a third of what I’d like. Zelenko is using 220 mg / day for 5 days.

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              1. Amazon has this….. Is this what you are looking for Wolfie?
                #1 Recommended OTC ZINC – Gluzin – Pharmaceutical Grade Zinc, 50 mg, 60 Capsules, Most Trusted Zinc by Wilson Disease Customers
                by extreme V
                4.8 out of 5 stars 10 ratings
                Price: $27.99 ($0.47 / Count) + $5.00 shipping

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            1. I first tried this stuff many years ago, when I was on a special athletic diet, and was tired of diet colas and whatnot. Tried the “bitter water” and was hooked.

              Love it. I was in the grocery store, after I got the zinc, and it just hit me – why not try the original anti-malarial? It’s right here. Then I thought “but what did the news say?” And then I remembered.

              DON’T BELIEVE THE FAKE NEWS.

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            1. Yes – zinc is GONE because of the knowledge of Zelenko’s regimen. People were already ahead on that.

              Tonic water is at about 50% on the shelves.
              The diet stuff is moving faster. I think some people have figured it out.

              The people who just bought zinc need a zinc ionophore to go with it. Now they know. Quinine. The old standby. The liquid equivalent of the bowl of chloroquine pills, left out for the expats to consume, eventually becoming a tasty additive to drinks.

              It’s hilarious – do any search on HCQ, zinc, whatever, and TONS of “so-smart” Snopes “debunkings” come back.

              OH – and this. Susan Wocommie YouTube has pulled the Zelenko video.

              https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-in-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-paks-video/

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      2. Well, I guess that makes me your opposite. I’ve smoked for 55 years and still do (Native Indian-made little cigars now; no additives). I have COPD and sleep apnea. Use supplemental oxygen when sleeping (whether night or naps).

        I refuse to use a mask since it’s masks on others that benefit/protect me. Drives my kid nuts that I still smoke. I tell him I’ve been on borrowed time for at least ten years and show little sign of progression of my condition. He says I’m stubborn. I agree. I love him like crazy.

        Lord, please watch over my stupid life.

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        1. Yes, just keep isolated like crazy, and make sure only careful, 100% WELL people are coming near you – etc. Everybody around you needs to be following the guidelines like crazy. If they show any signs of any disease, they need to separate themselves IMMEDIATELY. Phone call – can’t come near you.

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  6. If you want to see the complexity of ChiCom disinformation campaigns, but a BEAUTIFUL example, check out, in order:

    This Tweet

    The Thread

    The Replies

    Note in particular the DISSING of ZeroHedge, and the clear shilling. UGH.

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  7. OK – I posted this on Flep’s roundup, but it really belongs here, so here is a copy:

    wolfmoon1776
    April 3, 2020 at 05:29

    Alison – here is my battle cry. I think we need to PUSH HARD ON THIS:

    Any doctor who is not IMMEDIATELY putting their COVID-19 patients – and that includes both IMMEDIATELY TESTED POSITIVE and RECOVERED patients – on at least ONE WEEK of ZINC plus chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, or another antimalarial – and preferably until testing VIRUS-FREE DEEP IN THE LUNGS – is guilty of MALPRACTICE.

    Azithromycin is a maybe, depending on auxiliary infections.

    But ZINC PLUS ANTIMALARIAL is a MUST!

    Not now, but soon. THAT IS THE GOAL. As soon as possible, and use COUNTER-LAWFARE to do it over the objections of the Fauci-Gates-China money machine.

    KILL THE VIRUS AND SCREW THE VACCINE. The vaccine comes later. Disconnect the BOMB. SAVE PEOPLE NOW.

    This whole thing is designed to be a DISEASE-VACCINE MONEY-MAKING RESEARCH CIRCLE JERK.

    FUGGEDABOUDIT!!!

    Save people first, END this medical technological ABUSE OF SCIENCE, and THEN talk about funding vaccine research.

    SCREW THEIR BIO-9/11.

    Why? Because VIRUS-FREE is critical for long-term health, and the SOONER the VIRUS is gone, the more likely there will be no long-term damage. ZINC is the KEY.

    I am absolutely convinced that Zelenko has the proper understanding of this. And I think that somehow this is not just important for most patients, but for LONG-TERM BENEFIT of “recovered” patients. And I think that Zinc also NUKES CHINA’S ARSENAL.

    I repeat.

    ZINC NUKES CHINA’S VIRUS ARSENAL.

    Why do I believe this?

    In addition to all the things I’ve read and understood, I’ve been trying to understand my own case, and my deterioration of lung function.

    I can’t get into a study because my initial infection was in January, and I have no fever, and have not for a long time, so theoretically I’m “cured”, but I’m not. My doctor won’t do anything useful or contrary to insurance company policies, so I’m basically SCREWED.

    Operating on the assumption that AIDS-LIKE PERSISTENCE OF THE VIRUS is at the origin of my problem, I decided to GET MACGYVER and SELF-TREAT WITH ZINC AND QUININE.

    THE Q TREE TEAM

    It’s WORKING. My breathing is back to normal. In just HOURS. Obviously I’m just starting this, and quinine is a shitty old antimalarial, but the relief was almost immediate.

    QUININE. FREAKING QUININE. It was the original zinc ionophore antimalarial. And even at piss-poor doses, it WORKS. (No side effects, either, because it’s not freaking fish-tank cleaner!)

    So now do we understand the DEMOCRAT PSY-OP to keep people from stopping their WEAPON? This was VERY fucking intentional, and they used the MEDIA to KILL PEOPLE. Yeah, one “hubs” dies, but in the long run, many die from not getting antimalarials.

    These FUCKERS KNEW!!! They know it’s a LONG-TERM VIRUS – probably from CHINESE SECRET RESEARCH. And they had to keep us off the REAL ANSWER.

    This is the bloody biomedical equivalent of WINDOWS VERSUS LINUX.

    That’s why it STINKS the same way – because GATES IS STILL A FREAKING HAMMER and every problem in the world still looks like a NAIL to him. So he plays DIRTY at biomedical philanthropy, just like he did in Silicon Valley.

    Anyway, you heard it here first. Even freaking Zinc and Quinine work.

    Bottoms up!

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    1. Watch the DemonRat governors scramble to make Tonic Water illegal. Can’t have the Sheeple save themselves from the plans (Vaccine with ID) the Cabal has for them.

      They are ALREADY scrambling to 🙄 INFORM US SHEEPLE 🙄 that No, Tonic Water Isn’t a Coronavirus Cure
      “The FDA is currently investigating if chloroquine, a synthetic antimalarial drug discovered in the 1930s, is safe and effective to use as a treatment.

      …..the efficacy of this treatment still requires extensive testing…” BULL SHIFF!!!

      New York Compost: Sorry, but the quinine in tonic water can’t protect you from coronavirus

      Save the tonic for gin….

      The latest bunk idea? That tonic water can help fight the coronavirus.

      Here’s how the rumor started: The cocktail mainstay contains small amounts of quinine, a tree bark extract that has medicinal properties….

      “You could stockpile as much tonic water as you can get your hands on, and you will never have enough to treat malaria or COVID-19,” Dr. Adam Berman, a medical toxicologist and emergency room physician at Northwell Health, tells The Post….

      But “the quinine in tonic today is a minuscule amount,” says Berman. “And the drug they are looking at, hydroxychloroquine, is not quinine. It’s a cousin. In the same family but not the same. The thought, though, is it affects immune function and may help your body fight off viruses.”

      So, basically, if you have the coronavirus, chugging tonic water won’t do much beyond helping to keep you hydrated. You’ll probably just spend a lot of time burping — or reeling from a major hangover, if taken with gin.
      *https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/sorry-but-the-quinine-in-tonic-water-cant-protect-you-from-coronavirus/

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          1. That’s the question, isn’t it.

            Well…the old man will drink tonic water straight from the bottle, so, for now, we’ll overlook the manners breach of a 79 year old man with amazingly high blood pressure and who has had a series of strokes.

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        1. 🥰🥰🥰🙏🙏💃🏼💃🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸 Your MacGyver action was PURE GENIUS, Wolfie 💖💖💖 Born of science and desperation, you beat the demons…again.

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          1. at amazon.com/

            Top Hat East India Tonic Syrup
            32oz bottle
            5 times natural quinine concentrate
            Mix 1oz of the syrup with 5oz club soda

            I wouldn’t be surprised if this product didn’t sell out soon.

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              1. Exactly -get it out there until they are FORCED to lie/deny or admit. We have to be SQEAKY WHEELS to get through to POTUS and break the fake narrative barriers they put up.

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              2. Yes.

                And Alison – this is actually WAY BIGGER than just a single cure. To me, what this does is show that we have been captured by a false paradigm that others are trying to FORCE ON US as part of socialism. It’s totally Stalinist. To me, it’s proof of FAKE SCIENCE having driven medicine along an erroneous trajectory RE viruses.

                The whole thing is not designed to serve mankind’s interests. It is designed to FUND RESEARCH. Humans are lab rats to socialism.

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              3. Exactly!! We have to start small – get the public to demand the meds that work already for THIS virus.

                Next step is WHY vaccines and not “where do viruses come from” and “why aren’t existing cheap meds used”. Why all the research. Why all the clinical trials. Why a new med when old one works just fine. And that classic: “Follow the money.”

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        1. I just ordered a quinine tincture through Amazon. It’s a 2oz bottle with eye dropper cap. Already have zinc lozenges. Will check with Wolfie and Gail if/when my family needs the quinine.

          Wolfie’s anecdotal overnight change after months of suffering is eye opening in light of the withholding of meds by the global cabal running our medical systems.

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          1. These people are fucking evil. Yes, that withholding of truth on HCQ/AZM was what FIRST opened my eyes that they were hiding something. Turns out, it’s an entire medical approach that is needed now to save lives.

            I’m not some daffy supplement and nostrum whore – I got here by SCIENTIFIC REASONING – plus a good knowledge of the history of science, so I know how the bigger picture of paradigm change works, and what “big wrong” looks like.

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            1. You are SO RIGHT on this one. We are watching the fallacies of Big Pharma tied to Big Govt research in real time with OUR lives at stake.

              It sickens my soul to think this is whaT the human race has fallen to. It seems everything we have trusted and believed in our earthly existence is being shown to be not just false, but purposefully evil. And it is overwhelmingly pervasive.

              I’m not sure why God saves any of us. Definitely time for an Almighty reset.

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              1. I rolled my eyes at the “release the cures” stuff. I was, like, “those poor deluded souls – nobody could or would hide even a single cure”.

                WRONG.

                Now I understand the FALLACY of my thinking. We think that when there is hiding, and then revelation, that there is binary, digital, automatic, atomic-to-global growth of knowledge, etc., etc. ALL WRONG.

                It’s the fact that individuals who are not investigative journalists and spies can now have insight into COMMUNITY ERROR with amazing acuity – IF THEY WANT IT. Groups of such individuals can do even more.

                Science needs to become very skeptical of the hand that feeds it. Don’t bite the hand, but GROWL HARD when it’s attached to BILL GATES or JEFFERY EPSTEIN.

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            1. We just got home from liquor store. I’m having a ginless diet tonic cocktail while I wait for presser to begin 🇺🇸

              All thanks to Wolfie and Gail.

              You should keep doing the zinc lozenges several times a day for up to 7 days. See then if any effect (at least that’s how I dose when ill).

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      1. Watch this thread – people are dumping different sources of quinine. I used to drink tons of tonic water, so that was my first test, but I will likely move on to a stronger source. But BE CAREFUL – the EVIL MEDIA will try to construct another incident with quinine, just like they did with chloroquine. Stay within competently published guidelines and label directions. Look at historical data, but be careful with old and wrong dosages. Always START SMALL with any new drug – including what the doctor prescribes.

        Diet tonic water is better, because you’re not inundating yourself with high-fructose corn syrup and feeding the virus cycle. But better than NOT, IMO.

        For zinc, I cannot tell you what prophylactic should be, but somebody on here is taking 50 mg/day, and that is 1/4 or Zelenko’s curative amount, I believe. The 50 mg tablets were SOLD OUT and not available everywhere. I had to use a MIXED ZINC SUPPLEMENT.

        One way to keep pressure off doctors and hospitals is to get lots of zinc and quinine to the public, IMO.

        Vitamin C tends to be sold out now – that is good. Poor man’s HCQ/AZM.

        We need to learn about OTHER ZINC IONOPHORES. Antimalarials of the quinine class may not be the only ones. If we diversify here, and ZINC SUPPLEMENT MANUFACTURERS “GET THE P”, then we can institute popular medical rebellion and give Bill Gates a nice Y2K as a present.

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    2. Thank you for this post, Wolfie. I’m still having breathing problems as well. I’ve been taking zinc ever since I got sick in December, but never thought about quinine. I guess a trip to the store for tonic water is on the agenda for today.

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          1. Herr Steve – are you ready to get all 19th-century early chemical on ZINC PENNIES? Because HERR WOLFF is ready to do a “publishable” investigation on a recipe for converting zinc pennies into medically useful zinc salts.

            More in my next post, coming tonight.

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            1. That should be interesting!

              I did just score 200 50mg zinc tablets. It apparently is zinc gluconate. That looks to me like a decent daily dose.

              And seven bottles of diet Canada Dry tonic water with quinine. I have no feel for how much quinine it is…but I’ll save those for if/when I feel like I’m coming down with something.

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              1. Excellent score! You’re protected now.

                That is enough zinc to do the Zelenko cure several times over, at 200-250 mg/day for 5 days.

                According to this article:

                https://www.healthline.com/health/quinine-in-tonic-water

                you will hit a daily dose of quinine *roughly* at 2 L/day, but I would put that as an upper limit. 1 L/day is about all I can tolerate, because I can feel very mild side effects at 2 L/day. They’re not terrible, but they’re not pleasurable, either – something like a 2-beer or 2-glasses-of-wine hangover. A mild therapeutic side effect. An annoyance. I’m thinking of going to 1.5 or 1.0 now and stretching it out.

                So I think if you hit it with 1, 1, 2, 2, 1 that would probably be optimal, giving you two days to warm up and test the waters, and then 2 more days at a full antimalarial dose. You can always send out for more if needed.

                Between now and “then if ever”, we may learn that antiviral doses are smaller than antimalarial doses. All we have to do is let zinc into OUR cells – NOT some bug that resists the effect.

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              2. I am assuming there will be a run on tonic water soon…so it might not be possible to replace this.

                I actually took a zinc pill in the parking lot before starting the car.

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    1. Edeocha should realize the doctors have ALREADY tried it on dozens and dozens of cases AND it is being given to patients in USA with GREAT SUCCESS!!!!

      She should be darned thankful!!!!!

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    2. GEE, Those French doctors sound JUST LIKE Fauci with his desire for a doubleblind study on the Trump protocol. Afterall who cares if we kill off a few thousand Americans.

      Heck ‘DOCTOR’ Fauci is MORALLY RESPONSIBLE for every single one of those 1,169 deaths in the last 24 hours. HE DARN WELL KNOWS THERE IS A CURE AND HE WILL NOT ADMIT IT!

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      1. OUR PRESIDENT pressured the FDA to approve off-label HCQ and ZPacks for COVID-19 – which they did.

        At the 4/1/20 task force briefing – PDJT said (paraphrase) that it is also considered useful as a prophylactic and said now it’s up to the (your) doctors.

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        1. FDA – HCQ approval

          FDA STATEMENT – https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/03/29/hhs-accepts-donations-of-medicine-to-strategic-national-stockpile-as-possible-treatments-for-covid-19-patients.html

          “The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to BARDA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible.

          The EUA requires that fact sheets that provide important information about using chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating COVID-19 be made available to health care providers and patients, including the known risks and drug interactions.

          The SNS, managed by ASPR, will work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to ship donated doses to states. The SNS does not regularly stock either drug.

          Hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate are oral prescription drugs approved to treat malaria and other diseases. Although there are no currently approved treatments for COVID-19, both drugs have shown activity in laboratory studies against coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19). Anecdotal reports suggest that these drugs may offer some benefit in the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Clinical trials are needed to provide scientific evidence that these treatments are effective.

          When the Secretary of Health and Human Services declares that issuance of an EUA is appropriate, the FDA has the regulatory emergency use authority to facilitate access to unapproved medical countermeasures or unapproved uses of approved medical countermeasures needed to prepare for and respond to chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats.”

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        2. GA/FL
          I am well aware that President Trump kicked FDA Butt and got provisional approval. However Fauci, who ALL the News Media are treating as the Second Coming, will not give his blessing because the Trump Protocol has not been fully tested using FDA approved Clinical Trials link

          At minimum Fauci wants Phase III double-blind clinical trials involving 3,000 or more people and months if not years of ‘testing’ and follow-up. In those trials, taking it they are a full factorial for zinc, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, (2^3 factorial) not only do many of the people who act as ‘controls’ in the study die, ALL of the people whose doctors are hardliners die. This is ESPECIALLY true of those poor sheep who only listen to the Fake News and are unaware of the Trump Protocol and therefore do not ask for it for themselves or their family.

          NEVER EVER UNDERESTIMATE THE INERTIA OF BUREAUCRATS and it is SOCIALIST bureaucrats who now run our hospitals. They ain’t gonna use an ‘unapproved’ drug unless YOU DEMAND IT!

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          1. FAUCI isn’t going to stand between me and HCQ or Quinine capsules (as Wolfie has taken) if I have to go to tend my daughter….or if she gets it and has to be hospitalized. I’ll take it so I can care for her. I’m hoping her Dad/Brother in Law will prescribe a prophylactic dose for her – she will not survive this disease and she has numerous caregivers through the day/week in a rural retirement center where her dad lives and supervises her care. I’m the fall-back caregiver for holidays, etc.

            President Trump isn’t going to let Fauci stop people getting the HCQ/Zpack regimen! He’s already made it possible.

            Don’t worry – I’m good at DEMANDING.

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            1. Good for you. It is the poor sheep who are at risk and their elderly parents.

              It looks like the disease is going to target the DemonRats and not the Deplorables. Most of us did at least minimal prep and are taking a lot more care than the snowflakes are.

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          2. They’re stalling for time.

            Rush’s opening monologue today…he and a number of other voices are starting to clamor. It’s going to take a couple weeks to crescendo, but the MSM does NOT have a lock on messaging. Sooner or later the pitchforks will come out…and in the big cities, tiki torches, maybe. Baseball bats, definitely.

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            1. Are they stalling and limiting it to hospital patients b/c of quantity shortfalls, which are being beefed up, or b/c they don’t want us to know about an easy cure?

              Sort of like face masks – can’t recommend we all wear them if don’t have enough for front lines, but now that advice is changing.

              Probably both – globalists want us dead; Trump & white hat team want us to get it as soon as they have a decent supply chain for it.

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      2. The French doctors are being pressured to do double-blind randomized controlled studies. Africa, with its poor medical framework, provides a good size population not already being treated, and also has a great need. Africa is famous amongst infectious disease pros for having run-away epidemics of 3rd world diseases to use to try to develop treatment, therapies, vaccines, etc.

        It’ ain’t racism – it’s just the facts.

        Edeocha sounds like a SJW/race-monger.

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            1. During the Episcopal Church/gay bishop split – the Episcopaliberals brought in an African ‘gay’ ‘victim’ to show off all over the media world….he was so aggressive active, they caught him arranging dates with strangers in every town. Later he was murdered in a gay pay date in Africa.
              All that time Hillrotten was strutting around Africa on Øbominable’s behalf making US aid payments contingent on approving LBGT and Abortion. They promote the chief cause of HIV with one hand and fund HIV research with the other hand. (spit, spit, spit)

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        1. Agree that she is “grievance-trained by socialism”, but let me put it another way.

          When medical researchers do “controlled double-blind studies” with their own children, and those of the ELITE, then maybe Africans can accept that they’re not being lab-ratted.

          CHELSEA gets it. ROTHSCHILD KID doesn’t. Maybe one of each for Archie and his latest cousin.

          Not happening. They get what they want, when they want.

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      1. Being from GA – and going to school at UGA – I’ve visited the Guidestones. Huge – right in the middle of a cow pasture on a rural two lane road. It’s a cult piece – and ungodly – IMO

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        1. No doubt. Just thinking. It has to be sanctioned by the county there.

          Funny how they can rip down our monuments and yet that thing remains standing.

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    1. churchmouse,
      I find it quite amazing that American people will put their normal free routines aside and stay in their homes for weeks at a time.
      ..obviously the state Governors , general public and President look to head off a potential disaster to exercise
      such a measure.
      Doesn’t mean anyone likes the impingement on freedoms , anger and disgust turns into resolve.
      Hope you are staying safe and doing well .
      I got lucky and procured a stash of Grey Poupon .

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      1. Glad you got your Grey Poupon, Chris. Future studies of 2020 will show that Dijon mustard led us out of this crisis. 🙂 😆

        I’m not so sure about ‘potential disaster’, which is part of the reason I have been posting less frequently here — for now.

        I do not want to upset anyone.

        HOWEVER …

        I, too, am amazed at how quickly Americans’ (and other Westerners’) freedoms were taken away. Like a magic trick: just like that. Churches closed for Easter. Synagogues closed for Passover.

        Don’t worry, though, abortions can still proceed. /s (just to clarify)

        I understand from my far better half that face masks were being advocated in the United States in tonight’s national broadcast.

        YET … in Britain, this evening at dinner hour, a British medic who has worked closely with Singaporeans on communicable diseases said on the news that masks in Asia are cultural items to show politeness during times of contagion. His principal Singaporean medic colleague said that THEY DO NOTHING TO CURB CONTAGION.

        Therefore, the British medic said NOT to wear them unless PERSONALLY instructed to do so by a medical professional in a one-to-one private consultation.

        The medic said that a) most people do not know how to wear them (large gaps on either facial cheek as seen in Italy), b) they do not know how to take them off and dispose of them and c) people are going to touch their faces more often because something is touching their skin. Rule No. 1: DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE DURING THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC.

        Sorry, I don’t mean to shout.

        This isn’t intended to be addressed to you personally, Chris, but to others thinking they need to get a face mask because of what their governors, experts or the White House says.

        Please, everybody, stop falling for the BEE ESS that various ‘experts’ — even those close to PDJT — are spouting.

        In closing, Chris, enjoy your Grey Poupon. Treasure it. It will become one of your daily treats during this FABRICATED DRAMA designed to destroy the world’s economy.

        In all seriousness, I wish you all the very best — as I do all my other friends at the Q Tree, whose camaraderie I have come to cherish over the past 17 months.

        Just please, please don’t wear a face mask, scarf or similar … It will not help. Keep a six-foot distance from other people to the extent you can when outside the house. That’s all.

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  8. A better idea in a perfect world.

    A few day ago Big T had to go to the emergency room. He’s fine, no worries. Not the issue.
    At the hospital, there were 3 tents out front for COVID testing.
    Now that we have an almost immediate tests (5-15 minutes), we can test those who think they are ill and find out if they are positive for Covid.
    THEN, set up an immediate prescription, disburse the hydroxychloroquine/ZPAck/and Zinc and send them home.
    (Any basic exam would reveal a problem with heart arrhythmia – the only patients who seem to suffer side effects)

    No ventilators, no excessive amounts of gloves/face masks
    No stopping the economy.
    No 2 trillion in debt
    Back to work.

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    1. But, Daughn, that would defeat whatever purpose the government – both black and white hats – has for keeping the roads clear, people away from soft targets thus eliminating the mass shooting FF, and other results of this strategy.

      There’s more going on than we know, and when it is finally revealed, and we all go back to our normal routines, the economy will bounce back…beginning with the beauty salon industry. The number of people clamoring for a haircut is really stunning.

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        1. That’s one of the great things about having longish hair without bangs. But, given the cowlicks at my temples and the widow’s peak, bangs never worked for me. It took an unbelievable amount of product to get them to cooperate. So I grew them out when I was a junior in HS.

          Not everyone can do this, I know. But….

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    2. ^^^THIS!!!>>> Daughn writes: “Now that we have an almost immediate tests (5-15 minutes), we can test those who think they are ill and find out if they are positive for Covid.
      THEN, set up an immediate prescription, disburse the hydroxychloroquine/ZPAck/and Zinc and send them home.
      (Any basic exam would reveal a problem with heart arrhythmia – the only patients who seem to suffer side effects)

      No ventilators, no excessive amounts of gloves/face masks
      No stopping the economy.
      No 2 trillion in debt
      Back to work.”

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    3. This meets OUR goals for treatment and survival. “First, do no harm.”

      It does not meet their goals of high numbers of deaths and funding for further research on vaccines and treatments.

      Why the push to not allow access to these meds? The articles either say they are allowing access without mentioning the strict protocols for release, or supress stories that the combo works by saying untried and dangerous. Both are bs. Truthtellers are blocked or deleted.

      Bonnie and Clyde looked ghoulish dancing about on March 31st in front of the charts, giddy to see high enough numbers to justify research, acting like Chip and Dale. “After you!” “No, after you!”. They couldn’t hide the glee.

      As VP stated, these are people’s lives, not numbers. Those two have been away from medicine for so long, all they see are inert dots and lines, not flesh and blood.

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    1. They just don’t get it.
      Implementation of a NATIONAL order means soldiers on the streets to ensure everyone stays home, blockades at interstates, etc.
      No, that’s a bad visual.
      When a STATE issues a stay at home mandate, it throws the state highway patrol into panic, everyone on overtime, blocking things, patrolling, etc. Frankly, enough of out police force is already ill. We need them doing other things.

      Would be so much easier if people would just stop being a$$holes.

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      1. I have to drive to Kansas tomorrow for work on Sunday. Colorado is on the list of States that Kansas deems to be infected so we are supposed to quarantine for 14 days if we go there. Unless you are “essential”. Might be quite the adventure with Colorado plates on my car.

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  9. Darned right!

    Text:

    Peter Navarro:

    “If there is any vindication of the President’s Buy American, Secure Borders, and a Strong Manufacturing Base philosophy, strategy and belief it is this crisis.” #AmericaFirst

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        1. OMG, Me too! And Bob Lightheizer…. While I was at the Trump rally in Des Moines, which seems like a lifetime ago, I was the most excited about seeing Peter Navarro live…. I have a phone full of photos of him!

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  10. 6,227 Physicians surveyed from 30 countries
    37% claim Hydroxychloroquine is best treatment therapeutic for virus.
    72% of Spain’s physicians prescribing Hydroxychloroquine.
    Only 23% of American physicians prescribe the drug.

    Shameful stance from Fauci/Brix and the media.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

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    1. “….Only 23% of American physicians prescribe the drug.

      Shameful stance from Fauci/Brix and the media.”

      YES! This is why I said Fauci is RESPONSIBLE for those deaths!

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  11. Operation Blue Bloods.
    How cool is this?
    Help the NYPD

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  12. Wolf, did not know where to post this, I created a White House petition could you please help sticky the link? I understand if you do not wish to. We need WAY more than the 100000 to get it to the President, I want at least 1 Million in LESS than 30 days. Help if you can, pass it on, share it, LINK it, Help get our President to take notice and stop the madness and listening to projections. Thanks in Advance P rex:

    Link here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reopen-county-precautions-phased-sections-least-worst-areas-infection-easter

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    1. I’m not ready to jump to a position on this in any kind of editorial way, but you are welcome to post this as many times and places as you like.

      I may create a DISCUSSION THREAD, but not right now – I need my meds!!!

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    1. Thug loving Democrap.

      Øbominable pardoned, armed, funded and exalted thugs, traitors, tyrants, thieves, terrorists his entire tenure – because that’s what he was/is!!!

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  13. AAANNND here comes the latest wrinkle on “social promotion” at school —

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/
    “School divisions shoring up learning plans; CHS students in good standing to receive A’s”

    So it appears that Charlottesville High School students who were getting ANY grade above Failing as of March 13, will receive A grades for ALL their courses.
    Students who were failing courses as of March 13 will have to complete some “learning modules” to ALSO receive an A grade.
    All the schools were ordered closed on March 13 by order of Gov. “Blackface Baby-Killer” Ralph Northam.
    And only NOW do the local schools have some type of online learning set up to start during what would have been their Spring Break. These online courses will begin on April 13.
    BUT — if CHS students who weren’t failing on March 13 are ALREADY going to get A grades for ALL of their courses, why should they be required to take ANY online school courses?

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    1. And watch this also be hidden and called dangerous by the media. And how long will it take the FDA to approve it, even though it has been used for a long time just like hydroxychloroquin.

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    2. I wonder what this compound was used to prevent. I mean, over the years our dogs have been on anti-heart worm, flea & tick, hook worms, etc. Not that I wouldn’t trust a veternarian drug, but what is the primary application.

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      1. Ivermectin/pyrantel are the active ingredients in Heartgard (heartworm medicine for dogs, Milbemycin is the active ingredient in Interceptor (heartworm medicine for dogs. I believe both “prevent” heartworm, treatment after the fact is a whole different story.

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    3. I have a vial of the injectable (for cattle) sitting in my frig. 🤣

      And yes it is a well known wormer used in cattle, sheep, goats & horses. It is also used (in very low dose) for heartworm in dogs.

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      1. There sure is a lot of that lately!

        NO ONE has sauce about all this underground bullshit that’s supposedly going on, yet people here seem to be nothing but a damn echo chamber for internet rumormongering.

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        1. You mean the baby rescues in underground caves? I’m leery nowadays with all the sensationalism and deep secrets.

          The red shoe art work with weird children speaks for itself – but do we have sound proof the Podestas really owned that art???

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          1. We have sound proof that John Podesta owns a pig farm. I’ll have to go dig it up, but I did see firm proof of that about two years ago.

            Pigs will eat anything. There is a DISTURBING “Criminal Minds” episode about that. Yes, they will eat dead humans and leave little to no evidence behind.

            One of the issues I see here on QTree is too much getting stuck in the weeds and looking at the trees rather than the forest from above. It is a human tendency, and perfectly natural. But for all of this…one must be as Christ said of believing in Him – as if you were a child.

            My guess is there is a blend of true and not when it comes to the tunnels, kids, etc., and we won’t know the whole truth until it’s all over, if then.

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            1. When I was a little girl a boar hog ate our neighbor’s two year old. All they found were her shoes. The hog had won the state championship and was YUGE! (World record is 2,552 lbs for a hog.)

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        2. Large grain of salt here Steve.

          Basements, I could see. The use of tunnels for moving the kids from point A to point B. Yeah I can see that too. But from the looks of it they just pay off the cops and politicians.

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    1. When I did a little searching, it appears that it shows expired on the day you look at it. As it did when I just checked. Go ahead, do it yourself, you will see what I saw. I believe the patent expired in 2002. Correct me if I am in error.

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  14. *https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusHQ/comments/fkydj4/lets_talk_about_herbals_that_have_the_exact_same/

    Let’s talk about herbals that have the exact same effect has antivirals chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. They exist and are available.

    Let’s talk about herbals that have the exact same effect has antivirals chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. They exist and are available.

    Discussion
    You guys may have heard of the antivirals chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, and their success in treating NCOV19 infection https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa237/5801998

    The mechanism of action that is being discussed is the fact that they are zinc ionophores. Here’s a doctor talking about it

    Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore

    We’ve all heard that Zinc can stop viral infection, i.e. help duration of colds and influenzas. However, most zinc in the body doesn’t make it into the cells and past the cell wall.

    Zinc ionophores shuttle zinc past the cell surface membrane, into the inner cell – where it can work it’s magic in halting viral replication.

    So what other supplements act as zinc ionophores?

    Three over the counter herbals were tried in this study (paywall removed, thanks scihub) Two of their names are quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate.

    Both EGCG and quercetin showed high ionophore activity with zinc through flourescence.

    In conclusion, we have demonstrated that QCT, EGCG, and CQ rapidly increase intracellular labile zinc in Hepa 1-6 cells and that they function as ionophores for zinc in a liposomal system.

    And guess what? Quercetin is already being deployed for NCOV.

    As coronavirus spread speeds up, Montreal researchers will trial an anti-viral treatment for COVID-19 in China is about to be tested

    The broad spectrum anti-viral medicine known as quercetin has already proven successful at treating Ebola and Zika viruses, says Dr. Michel Chrétien, a researcher at the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal.

    Now, he and co-researcher Majambu Mbikay are awaiting approval to send the drug to China where a clinical trial will test its effectiveness on COVID-19.

    While Chrétien cautions against “false hope” saying that quercetin’s effectiveness for treating COVID-19 must be proven, Mbikay is optimistic for its potential.

    EGCG is an extract from green tea. Quercetin is a cheap supplement that’s also available in veggies (in much lower doses). Both are on amazon.

    If you research around, quercetin seems to show broad spectrum antiviral activity across the board. It’s most likely due to this zinc ionophore activity.

    Quercetin as an Antiviral Agent Inhibits Influenza A Virus (IAV) Entry

    Effect of Quercetin on Hepatitis C Virus Life Cycle: From Viral to Host Targets

    Antiviral activity of four types of bioflavonoid against dengue virus type-2

    And the list goes on and on…

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    1. If anyone wants to try the Quercetin, I just ordered some from iherb.com along with more zinc. They have some from a number of different manufacturers. I would bet more people are getting clued in as some of both zinc and quercetin are out of stock. But there are still plenty of options if anyone needs them. iherb is a good site. I’ve ordered vitamins and supplements from them for years.

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    2. EGCG is epigallocatechin gallate, a plant-based compound called catechin.

      Epigallocatechin Gallate (EGCG) Is the Most Effective Cancer Chemopreventive Polyphenol in Green Tea

      ….

      PubChem — Epigallocatechin gallate

      ….Epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) is the principal catechin in tea from Camellia sinensis, the most consumed beverage worldwide (after water). Depending on brew time and temperature, a single cup of green tea may contain 100-200 mg EGCG. To control the dose of EGCG administered in experimental studies, green tea solids (GTS) or capsules of green tea extract standardized to EGCG content are often employed. However, there is considerable variability in the EGCG content of commercially available dietary supplements, ranging from 12-143% of the tablet or capsule weight. While standardizing tea preparations to EGCG or using highly purified EGCG for research presents an important strategy for the conduct of precise studies as well as the ability to replicate experiments, it is worth noting this approach limits the potential contributions and possible synergy with other bioactive tea ingredients, including caffeine and other flavonoids. Human studies of the bioavailability of green tea catechins reveal these compounds to be poorly absorbed, with <0. 1% of ingested catechins appearing in blood. Most ingested EGCG is rapidly cleared from blood with an elimination half-life of {approx}3 h and preferentially excreted via bile to the colon. The growing interest in the role of EGCG in health promotion and disease prevention is reflected by an exponential growth of research publications in this field. (J Am Coll Nutr. 2007 Aug; 26(4):362S-365S)….

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  15. As expected, the crazy left is going after Jared Kushner today. Everywhere. I love when they compare him to Hunter Biden. As soon as you bring up his stripper baby mama, they change the subject.

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    1. Thought that this morning. Everything in my social media borders on depressing, including the conservatives in conflict. Look for the briefing for a glimmer of hope.

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  16. From what I’ve read, millions of doses of HCQ have already been donated to the US by various drug companies. We now have 266,259 cases in the US. We should have more than enough doses to treat every one of those people. So why is it not being done?????

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  17. Not sure if this one’s been done, has arrived late and has too many windows open.

    I heard him on the radio when out earlier, this is not the same interview. He was a bit more strident on the radio.

    This is so much Bull! Wet markets have been in China and every other country in the world since man has had organized trade but just so happens to be the cause of a world wide epidemic at this juncture in time? Then watching Brian Kildme (sic) tossing that up like that???.

    Facci says he wants western nations to lean on 3rd world nations to close down their wet markets? This guy’s a freaking commie trying to play on emotion faux concerns.

    Sorry, knows we know this. Just ugly to watch and know these kind of people exist.

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    1. This is so much Bull! Wet markets have been in China and every other country in the world since man has had organized trade but just so happens to be the cause of a world wide epidemic at this juncture in time? Then watching Brian Kildme (sic) tossing that up like that???.

      Do we still have wet markets in the West? To my knowledge, no.

      If not, is it because we realize they’re unsanitary as all get out? Remember, we didn’t even have a concept of “sanitary” as recently as two centuries ago.

      And when we did, how many epidemics and the like did we have in the West?

      You’re invoking history as if it were an argument in your favor. It’s not. It’s one in his favor.

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      1. I’d beg to differ, wet markets just in the last 50 years have existed all over the world to include here. Some more sanitary some not. I’ve visited several hundred in Asia. This is not something new. My point also being to “this juncture in time”.

        Apparently you see his point of view as genuine. If so you might have no problem when the UN and WHO come back asking for additional 10% tax from developed nations so they can fix the problem.
        This guy is clearly trying to detract and gin up emotion using a none issue.

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        1. In that case…It’s probably the “sanitary” more than the “wet market.” But…yeah that works out to you’re right even so, because Fauci should be highlighting sanitation instead.

          Thanks!

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        2. There is a market about 10 blocks from here where you pick your living fish out of a tank, they net it out, and package it according to your direction. It’s at the intersection of I-280 and Saratoga Avenue.

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          1. cthulhu, many small privately owned fish markets in SF did the same…pull it out of the tank, bonk it, wrap it up, and you walked home with it.
            it’s how we got Trout pretty regularly.
            Came over from Idaho daily, daily shipment gone by dinnertime.

            Very early in the mornings in Chinatown, storefront fishmarts would open their big back doors for a pick-up truck to back up, and young men would shovel calamari, with snow shovels, onto the store floor…the night’s catch.
            Never thought too much ab it…always washed everything very well, never had a problem.
            I think it’s our level of awareness which is somewhat different.

            The few videos I have seen of the Chinese wet markets have nasty stuff just washed onto the streets, where hundreds of people walk through it every day. Streets never cleaned.
            People seem to take no notice.

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      2. As far as concept of sanitary only as recent as 200 years ago. No. That concept has been around longer than 2000 BC. And clearly your well versed in recent history ie the bible, better than me, please explain those first few chapters again? You know the ones with all the sanitary ways to prep food. When people go to a wet market anywhere at any time they take care to clean their food. When they don’t you get a few cases of food poisoning. Not an epidemic. Too rare.

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        1. The Hebrews’ dietary laws were pretty unusual back then–the vast majority of the world washed the dirt off their food and cooked it and that was usually enough if there wasn’t an epidemic going around.

          But that’s a quibble. You ware talking about food and I was *thinking* of hospitals (see “Ignaz Semmelweis”) and that ISN’T what you were talking about, so that was MY bad.

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            1. Sorry, meant been coming and going. You take Hebrews back 1000 yrs before Christ and you had civilizations rising and falling well over a 1000 years before that and they were a bit less slovenly than your imagining.

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            2. I speak solely of the dietary laws.

              Certainly the Greeks and Romans thought they were a bunch of annoying pipsqueak barbarians who weren’t much of a civilization, but there was a lot more to a civilization than whether they had dietary laws in their scripture. (Actually, even having “scripture” made one stand out back then too. There wasn’t a “bible” for the pagans–they had their myths, but people could freely alter them in the telling; favorite versions got written down. In fact, they really didn’t think their gods wanted anything out of them besides worship.

              The Hebrews “stuck out” in a lot of ways in the ancient world. Monotheism was very distinctive; the typical pagan would worship whatever god was appropriate for his circumstances. If he was a traveller, for instance, arriving at a new city, he’d worship at that god’s temple. It might even be a god he had never heard of until then! And it was no skin off of his more regular gods’ noses either–none of them were “jealous” like Yahweh.

              The Romans really didn’t LIKE people who didn’t behave that way. They even called them “atheists” (even when they were really monotheists). They made something of an exception for the Jews because at least it was an old religion, but when these people called “Christians” showed up with their newfangled beliefs and refusing to pray to other gods–well, there was friction. As you know.

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              1. True, most leading Greeks and Romans considered their own pantheons to be so much dribble so with out a doubt they’d look upon something coming from such a small group to be no less.

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              2. I thought it was Mark Twain who said one man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh. Actually it’s Robert A. Heinlein, but it sure sounds like it could have been Twain (he often quoted Twain).

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    1. And WNBC’s point is … ?

      Why don’t they do an article comparing falling 100 stories to one’s death with gasping for breath that doesn’t give any air? Sure seems like they could dehumanize both groups with one article, considering that they are total ghouls 24/7.

      Fuck them and their gleeful death counts.

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  18. So a bit of an update for those of you on twitter. A very popular Trump poster from NYC, Politidiva (Traci Belmonte), just tweeted that her father did not recover from his covid-19 virus after getting all the drug treatments available (yes the HCQ/zpac/zinc combo was administered).

    A wonderful lady. She is obviously in distress. Sad for her imminent loss.

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  19. More fear mongering and panic from ZeroHedge.

    Basic point without all the hysterics is still a concern, but context is key.

    Here Comes The Next Crisis: Up To 30% Of All Mortgages Will Default In “Biggest Wave Of Delinquencies In History”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/here-comes-next-crisis-30-all-mortgages-will-default-biggest-wave-delinquencies-history

    According to estimates by Moody’s Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi, as many as 30% of Americans with home loans – about 15 million households – could stop paying if the U.S. economy remains closed through the summer or beyond.

    ZeroHedge bolded a lot more of that paragraph that emphasized the scary 30% number, which tended to downplay the “through the summer” portion. Most of the article focuses on the summer shutdown contingency.

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      1. Me thinks the Trumpster is beginning to publicly pushback against Fauci, by being non-chalant about the masks. And I liked the Surgeon General’s “it’s your choice” response.

        Let’s see what happens 🤓

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        1. Considering his past statements on this the SG ate serious crow there, but he looked good doing it. Meanwhile he’s saying they have recently learned about asymptomatic spread. What! We’ve been talking about that back in late Jan. It’s freaking March now.. ooops… no it’s April now!

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  20. So I’m seeing an environmental issue popping up. People throwing all their gloves on the floor!

    Also word on the street is that someone’s relative got banned from Walmart because she told someone to move it more or less. Not sure on the details. Also no TP at aldi again.

    Trying to bank is also insane. Long lines

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      1. Good idea.
        Yeah it was one of those random rebate checks. I might do that next time. Long car lines. Really long. Bank should start to sell food from the amount of time one waits.

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    1. LOL a few years ago there was a news story of an avocado delivery truck crash and ruined $40,000 of avocados . . . the way people responded you would have thought an entire family of eight were in the ICU.

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  21. We’ve already figured this out. Now maybe the rest of the world will.

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