20200403: Cartel War 2.0 ~ Day 1

We’re throwing this subject open to the board, Group Project! If you have info, please post. If we’ve learned one thing at QTree, we know the contributors here work together exceptionally well, masterful at overturning obscure information.

Let’s connect the data point dots and see what we can find.

Data Point #1: Yesterday, at the White House Presser, General Milley took the podium and announced he was in possession of “certain intelligence” indicating the Drug Cartels intended to take advantage of the COVID problem in the USA and use the perceived weakness to create new markets in the USA.

General Milley didn’t like that idea too much.

Data Point #2: We remember March 26th, when Bill Barr, Attorney General of the USA “took out a hit”/offered 15 million USD on President Maduro of Venezuela, citing a litany of charges, indictments for 16 members of his staff for Narco-Terror, with a major investigation from SDNY, claiming Venezuela was a Narco State. Note: Among these charges, the leader of the Supreme Court of Venezuela was indicted for taking a bribe to nationalize an American company. Wow. It has to be connected. When was the last time we saw the DOJ working with the US Military in what amounts to a joint operation? I can’t think of one…. Project Cassandra?

Data Point #3: Tuesday, October 23, 2018, Vice President Mike Pence traveled to Latin America to meet with leaders about the Migrant Caravans, designed to make the President and Repubs look bad before the 2018 mid-term elections. What we did not expect was Pence’s revelation as to the cause of the caravans.

Pence on Tuesday said Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez told him the caravan “was organized by leftist groups in Honduras financed by Venezuela and sent north to challenge our sovereignty and challenge our border.”

https://news.yahoo.com/maduro-labels-pence-madman-venezuela-caravan-011109066.html

Data Point #4: We are all aware of the problem in Venezuela with Maduro, the Dictator who will not leave, and Juan Guido, elected by the representatives of the people as the chosen replacement until official elections can be held. We remember President Trump’s speech on Venezuela, at FIU in Florida, February 18, 2019. It was one of his best speeches of his Presidency.

Q Tree ran a live thread on the President’s speech found here: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/the-venezuela-speechtrump-doctrine-against-socialism-communism-transcript-and-reaction/

Data Point #5: We also remember Cuban military surrounds and protects Maduro and thus, has a stranglehold on the levers of power in Venezuela. Everyone know it. Just ask the Cubans, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans in Miami. The people in Miami rallied and waved flags, demanding “No more dictators in Nicaragua, Cuba, nor Venezuela“:

Data Point #6: We were all surprised when Pence told us Maduro was financing the caravans. I mean, where did Maduro get the money to spend on caravans and why wasn’t Maduro spending the money on his own people……. enter……. China. Maduro walked away with a 5BILLION dollar “loan” from the Chinese for joining the “Silk Road Initiative”

  • September 17, 2018: Maduro was in Beijing for 4 days. Maduro secures 5 BillionUSD “loan” from China. Maduro and Xi sign 28 different bi-lateral agreements between the two countries. Maduro notes China has supported Venezuela since 1999. Hmmmm….. : https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14056

Data Point #7: April 1, 2019: Suddenly, high ranking Chinese military officials arrive in Venezuela with “humanitarian supplies”. https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/04/major-chinese-military-personnel-arrive-in-venezuela-with-humanitarian-supplies/

It was a spooky site. Friday, March 29th – China PLA personnel pose with members of Venezuela’s FANB

Data Point #8: But of course, the Russians were also in Venezuela.

  • March 28, 2019: Putin tells Trump Russian troops will remain in Venezuela: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/russia-trump-venezuela-us-military-troops-latest-a8844546.html From President Trump: ““Russia has to get out. What’s your next question,” he said. Asked if that message had been delivered to Moscow, he replied: “They know. They know very well.”
  • December 2018: And let’s not forget when Russia landed the bombers in Venezuela. Not good: “The pair of TU-160 supersonic bombers, known as “White Swans” by Russian pilots, landed at Maiquetia airport near Caracas on Monday after covering more than 6,200 miles. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent the fighter bombers in as a show of support for the South American country’s government in direct warning to Donald Trump’s America Russia’s Defence Ministry said the bombers were accompanied by two other Russian military planes, but did not say if the planes were carrying missiles, how long they would stay for, or what their mission was. The show of strength comes just days after Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, whose left-wing administration is the most significant US foe in Latin America, held talks with Mr Putin in Moscow.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1057377/world-war-3-russia-US-russia-bombers-venezuela-putin-news

Data Point #9: Don’t forget the Iranians and their proxy, Hezbollah. They’re also active in Venezuela.

Data Point #10: Plus, the Cubans, heavily embedded in Venezuela. We can see the strong influence of Cuba when Cuban special forces are surrounding President Maduro:

https://www.localbuzzot.com/2019/02/08/cuban-guards-surrounding-venezuelas-maduro-us-military-commander-says/

Data Point #11: Thus, we have a Dictator in Maduro who will not leave and persecutes his own people in Venezuela. Maduro made friends with Cuba, Russia, Iran/Hezbollah, and China………. all of our enemies. Allowing these countries “into” the American hemisphere is explicitly against our stated foreign policy. Why are they here? Why were they allowed to remain? Why didn’t our past Presidents run the bad actors out of town…… from our own back yard?

As if having our enemies in the back yard wasn’t bad enough, now, it seems, they have joined forces with the Mexican Cartels, trying to create a new air route into Mexico (from the presser yesterday), according to Bill Barr and General Milley…… which presents a far greater problem to the USA and threatens our national security.

Data Point #12: The Mexican Cartels. Many books have been written on this subject and we’re all familiar with the violence and corruption of the cartels. Thanks to Dep, here is a handy map of their “turf” to keep as a reference.

Data Point #13: Remember when Obrador was elected President of Mexico and everyone thought he was a hard communist and would be no friend to the USA? And remember when Obrador was flexing his muscles and shouting insults at President Trump? Remember all that???? The fight was over illegal immigration. Until President Trump threatened a 5% tariff on all Mexican goods? And suddenly, everything changed?

  • May 30, 2019: From the NYTimes: Mexico sent the United States $346.5 billion of goods last year — meaning that a 5 percent tariff on those products would amount to a tax increase of more than $17 billion. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/politics/trump-mexico-tariffs.html
  • Everyone thought Trump was crazy. Repub Senators shrieked at the idea of tariffs on Mexico,………. but it worked. And almost overnight, we had 27K Mexican troops on the southern border and the caravans stopped.

Data Point #14: November 2019: Remember when the large family (9 USA citizens) was killed by cartels in northern Mexico and Trump offered to help President Obrador go to war with the cartels?

  • November 27, 2019: (Not that long ago) President Trump toys with the idea of designating the Cartels as Terror Organizations. “U.S. President Donald Trump said he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups for their role in trafficking narcotics and people, prompting a speedy request for talks by Mexico.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mexico-cartels-idUSKBN1Y02NJ
  • Guess it’s not just about drugs, eh? It’s about DRUGS AND PEOPLE.
  • Conservative media figure Bill O’Reilly asked President Trump on Tuesday whether he was going to designate the cartels as terror groups and “start hitting them with drones”. The president said: “They will be designated… I have been working on that for the last 90 days. You know, designation is not that easy, you have to go through a process, and we are well into that process.” He added that he had told Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador that the US was willing to launch operations against the cartels inside Mexico. “I’ve already offered him to let us go in and clean it out and he so far has rejected the offer but at some point something has to be done,” Mr Trump said.
  • Yet, by December 6, 2019, President Trump backed down on the designation because Obrador “asked him not to”. Trump continued, ““All necessary work has been completed to declare Mexican Cartels terrorist organizations,” he confirmed on Friday. “Statutorily we are ready to do so.” https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/06/donald-trump-backs-down-on-plan-to-designate-mexican-cartels-terrorist/ Interesting note: U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr met with Obrador on Thursday to discuss the president’s proposal, which the Mexican president criticized as “interventionism” and a “flagrant violation of our sovereignty.” Obrador also cited President Obama’s failed gunrunning operation “Fast and Furious” as an example of how the United States only made violence worse in Mexico.

Yes indeed………….

How incredibly interesting that AG Bill Barr, President Obrador, and President Trump have been in discussions for MONTHS, and statutorily, the USA is/was ready to go, designate the Cartels as Terrorists, go after their finances, track them, ready the military, etc. And here’s the key point according to the Breitbart article above, President Trump told Brietbart he was thinking about it as far back as last March. “In March, Trump told Breitbart News that he was thinking “very seriously” about the idea.” ~~~~~~ Well, according to General Milley in the WH presser yesterday, our Naval ships left port in Norfolk and are already in the Caribbean. That doesn’t happen overnight.

Data Point #15: Let’s not forget Columbia is also part of the problem, and specifically mentioned yesterday.

  • Or that Pence and our officials spent a LOT of time in Columbia trying to get aid to the Venezuelan people.
  • Or that Columbian President Duque showed up at the White House, “suddenly”.

Data Point #16: President Duque meets President Trump in the White House on March 2nd a month ago and in the middle of COVID. According to the transcript, President Trump said, “This was scheduled very quickly, over the weekend, and we look forward to meeting. We’re going to have representatives on both sides. Many things to talk about.” https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/02/president-trump-meets-with-president-duque-of-columbia-video-and-transcript/

Which brings us all to the White House presser yesterday. Gee, that’s a lot of power standing together. Full muscle of the American people.

Also joining the President for the press briefing were U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday, Commandant of the Coast Guard Admiral Karl Schultz, Sec of Defense Mark Esper, and National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien.
  • President Donald Trump made the announcement saying, “Today the United States is launching enhanced counter-narcotics operations in the Western hemisphere to protect the American people from the deadly scourge of illegal narcotics. We must not let the drug cartels exploit the pandemic to threaten American lives.” The Commander-in-Chief said the U.S. military will double its assets in the Caribbean and as it works with twenty-two partner nations in an offensive against “malign actors” who would take advantage of the emergency situation.
  • Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense, “At a time when the Nation and the Department of Defense are focused on protecting the American people from the spread of the coronavirus, we also remain vigilant to the many other threats our country faces. Today, at the President’s direction, the Dept. of Defense, at close cooperation with our inter-agency partners, began enhanced counter-narcotics operations in the eastern Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea.”
  • General Mike Milley, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, issued a stern warning to America’s potential adversaries saying, “We’re at war with COVID-19. We’re at war with terrorists. We are at war with the drug cartels as well. But this is the United States military, you will not penetrate this country, you will not get past Jump Street, … We will marshall whatever assets are required to prevent your entrance into this country.”
  • AG Bill Barr: “One of our highest priorities must remain destroying the Mexican Cartels….. kills in excess of 70,000 Americans per year…… destroys lives…. drains our national treasure” and then Bill Barr said, “We’re not interested in half-measures. This is not just a law enforcement issue, it’s also a National Security issue.” Turning to the President, Bill Barr said, “Building on your success and cooperation with President Obrador, I went down to meet………” and “We’ve had some successful visits” (note the plural “visits”.
  • Yeah, this is big. Here is the full presser. The beginning is the announcement and details on the Cartel War.

All thoughts and comments are welcome. Can’t wait to see what you guys come up with.

Let’s connect the dots.

130 thoughts on “20200403: Cartel War 2.0 ~ Day 1

  1. I posted this on the daily open thread…but I think it should probably be added here too:

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    Brian Kolfage tweets:

    Word on the street 450 Army troops deploying to border tomorrow ARMED. Cartels planning big push into USA and COVID exploding on border. Over 200 agents sick.

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    1. From a strictly technical standpoint, this could result in a lot of humor. So far as I know, the only refiners set up to process Venezuelan crude are in the US.

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      1. Venezuelan oil is known for it’s heaviness.

        It’s classified as ‘heavy crude’.
        It also has a pretty high sulfur content…so that makes it a ‘heavy sour crude’.

        This means that it requires more refining than a ‘light sweet crude’.

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        1. From what I understand (accountant….), you almost have to rebuild your column to process it, and you have to completely rejigger your catalysts and process. It’d almost be worth sitting back quietly to let the Chinese make the attempt and fill their refineries with asphalt.

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  2. Back in 2017, just a few months after our President visited KSA, King Salman paid a visit to Putin in Russia.

    It was the *first time* that a ruling Saudi Monarch had ever paid a visit to Russia.

    I wondered at the time, what was up with that.
    King Salman signed a $3 billion dollar arms deal with Russia…mainly for a missile defense system.

    Compared to the order that King Salman & Prince MBS gave our VSG…a $3bn dollar deal is not that much.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-king-salman-visit-saudi-arabia-moscow-vladimir-putin-a7985161.html

    https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/king-salman-first-saudi-monarch-to-visit-russia-1.2099403

    But according to this article👇…there was more than arms that were on the table:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/saudi-russia-visit-putin-oil-middle-east

    ——— From the article:

    More than 15 cooperation agreements worth billions of pounds were signed, ranging from oil, military and space exploration, leading the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, to claim the visit marked the moment when Saudi-Russian relations “reached a new qualitative level”. In one of the most remarkable deals, the Saudis said they would purchase the Russian S-400 defense system.

    ——— End of quote.

    That “S-400” is Russia’s missile defense system

    What I found the most interesting was the “space exploration” agreement.

    We have to factor in…that as a result of our President promoting and facilitating our Energy Independence…and also our nation becoming a huge Exporter of Oil and Gas…
    The Saudi’s have not only lost a good customer, we have also become a competitor.

    The fly-in-the-ointment in the relationship between Russia and the Saudi’s…is Iran.

    The Salmans hate Iran.
    Russia is good buddies with Iran.

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  3. Rich Higgins has some of the BEST commentary on COVID-19. Not only does he see it as matching Chinese doctrines of biological and asymmetric warfare, but he also understands the very subtle “middling truths” of the virus. The REPLIES and HIS REPLIES are excellent here.

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  4. My suspicion is that there are swathes of the US government that have been bought and paid-for by the cartels, just as there are swathes that have been bought and paid-for by the globalists and again by the CCP.

    If you look at Milley’s statement — “We’re at war with COVID-19. We’re at war with terrorists. We are at war with the drug cartels as well. But this is the United States military, you will not penetrate this country, you will not get past Jump Street, … We will marshall whatever assets are required to prevent your entrance into this country.” — he may be implying that the military is ready to take down their assets in the government, and any attempt to save them will bring a military response.

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  5. “The virus is hyper contagious.”

    Yep, I think this is true.
    That’s why there are orders to Stay Home.

    Some of the early accounts coming out of China, from regular citizens, said that “You can catch it through your eyes”.
    😬😐

    If the virus didn’t linger in the air…then why are medical workers wearing masks?
    And plastic visors.
    Those plastic visors make sense, if we can catch it through our eyes.

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    1. I totally get Birx now about 6 feet minimum. I was in a grocery store with MASSIVE social distancing, and it was the “cleanest” that store ever felt. The air was pure and cool and dry and had none of the usual “human humidity” to it. Some people had masks. I will likely go with a scarf next time.

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      1. Remember though that humidity is bad for viruses. Enough of it and their outer protein sheaths pick up too many h2o molecules from the air and become soft and flabby, leading to inability to inject the RNA payload into the target cell. At least, that’s my interpretation of the scientific explanations of why these viruses are “seasonal”.

        I read somewhere, unrelated to this, that at least some viruses have been measured packing their genetic material in at really enormous pressures, meaning the sheath has to be strong like a scuba tank.

        Bacteria and fungi (living things) might benefit from humidity, but they have internal processes to use the water, and not let it overwhelm them.

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    1. U.S. Coast Guard Seizes 19,000 Pounds Of Cocaine, Apprehend Smugglers

      “We may be getting more than narcotics because these smugglers could be exposing all of us to coronavirus,” said one law enforcement official.

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      1. It’s not just coronavirus that they are exposed to, but that is the hot topic right now. These smugglers are BAD BAD NEWS even in the best of times.

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    1. #Venezuelan #CoastGuard patrol ship ANBV #Naiguatá sank after ramming a cruise liner in the #CaribbeanSea.

      The cruise ship, RCGS Resolute, which had no passengers at the time, has a reinforced hull for sailing through the #Antarctic, suffered only minimal damage.

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    1. Diosdado, number three most wanted man -still at large- in #Venezuela, threatens once again, on the kidnapped National TV, with war against #Venezuelan people. “We’ll go get you if the US set foot here”

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      1. Not directly related – but for the KSA/RU International Oil situation . . .

        A few tools we can use, if push comes to shove:

        * Govt oil purchases for SPR
        * Sanctions
        * Import Quotas
        * Oil Tariffs
        * Find creative solutions to increase demand of U.S. energy – domestic + international
        * Reallocate electrical production to increase utilization of depressed fuel sources where feasible

        Right now, oil market is HYPER depressed due to excess supply.
        * Iran oil is sanctioned
        * Iran still cannot sell oil, no buyers
        * Low demand for smuggled oil
        * Watch NK try to find oil relief to bypass their own sanctions
        * Venezuela under oil sanctions
        * Venezuela cannot sell oil, no buyers
        * KSA/RU + Opec nations hurting due to unsustainably low prices
        * The domestic headline is U.S. oil producers hard hit – U.S. 2020 electoral issue

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    1. Breaking: #IndictmentsIsHere#TrumpAdmin announced it is indicting #Venezuelan president #NicolasMaduro & 14 of his officials for narco-terrorism and drug trafficking & engaging in a “narco-terrorism conspiracy” to export cocaine & weapons into the #USA.https://

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    1. Reuters- Who is behind PDVSA’s new customer Schlager Business Group? We asked Mexico’s Libre Abordo as they share the same manager. Both firms are scheduled to take about 10 mm bbl of #Venezuelan oil amid U.S. #sanctions

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      1. Ga/fa…when I read your post I did a double take. Venezuela was the last overseas country I lived and worked (several decades ago)…and I never saw one Asian nor any Muslims the entire period I was there. Astounding! When I lived there it was huge populations of old German Nazis and Italians brought to build the infrastructures.,,roads, dams, etc. I’m fact, it was where I learned to eat “real” Italian food other than out of a can.
        It was a very difficult country, even at the time, to live in…my first encounter of blatant corruption. Bribery was a way of life and you couldn’t get the basic services without paying someone off.

        A country with vast natural resources in addition to being on a coastline and still people starving today…SMH.

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          1. Even without the commies, if the culture allows for that much corruption, it won’t happen.

            It’s not just “not being Communist/Socialist” that has made the US wealthy, it’s a relative lack of corruption (which doesn’t need communism to exist).

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      2. They also have a large, beautiful resort island in the Caribbean, which has now been converted into a terrorist training base for Hezbollah.

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    1. One of the nastier weapons used by the major corporations is moving into a ‘new territory’ and selling product way under the whole sale price. Southern States and Tractor Supply did that in my area. They drove three independently owned feed stores out of business. Now that they have a monopoly they are raising the prices much higher — as in tripling the price in 15 years. For example whole corn (Tax payer subsidized BTW) has gone from $3.00 to $7.00 to $8.49. Horse feed (was $3.50) is now $16 to $20. (All are 50 pound bags & I buy 5/week)

      Now apply that strategy to what is happening in oil…

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  6. As I read through this article and the comments, I kept wondering if the hospital ships Comfort and Mercy are in place for our troops if they are injured in these cartel battles. NY and LA are hot beds of Cartel transactions.
    I really want the ships to be there to rescue the children but somehow, this seems a more likely scenario right now. We would not want our injured troops being sent to enemy hospitals in NY and LA during this war. This would also explain the hospitals we have been building across the country.

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  7. Maybe – just MAYBE – THIS President’s diplomatic/economic/strategical policies mark the end of oppressive dictatorships and communism in the Western Hemisphere.

    Nationalism and Capitalism are on the rise.

    Globalism and Communism are on the wane.

    World-wide.

    Thanks to Trump!!!

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  8. I am going to propose something in a different direction. I’m wondering if this war against the narcos, et al, is about cutting the last of the money lines to the higher ups. The administration has already cut most of the rat lines from government pools, if not all of them. Celebrities were pretty open about the adrenochrome drying up, so my guess is that there are fewer children in the clutches of the group even as they are supposed to be being rescued now.

    Hollywood’s box office intake was not ever $10 over the weekend.

    The cartels may well be the next line of cabal middle men to be taken out.

    This time, though, the president is not being shy about using the military.

    Following the money on this one would yield a lot. I don’t have time to do it today, but it would be interesting. Narcotics have to be one of the last dependable sources of income the wicked ones have.

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    1. How much of the $1 trillion, I mean $2 trillion, err, $2.2 trillion, oh, yeah, after it was already signed, we found out it was really $2.3 trillion, anyway THAT spending bill, — how many of our samoleons does the fine print “Malig” Nancy put in say can be diverted to the evil ones?

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    1. Sure would explain the DEMOCRAT / CLINTON interest in the region.

      What if their PHONY GREEN ENERGY and HIV ETERNAFIGHT initiatives in the Caribbean were really cover for negotiating INFRASTRUCTURE for DRUGS and HUMAN TRAFFICKING?

      That would make COVID-19 a kind of EXPANSION OF THE GAME. Global corruption becomes more possible with a global disease.

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        1. I hear you. It is very well-hidden, because they never bring attention to it. Part of that is safety. Keep the locals warm, happy, well-fed, and “not too corrupt, but just enough”. Make sure there are few “murder mysteries”.

          “Nothing to see here.”

          Joran van der Sloot violated that number one principle, and created quite a bit of trouble for the ruling class.

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          1. If you ever get a chance to do a cave tubing float in Belize…okay, I all but zonked out in the cave while floating, but it was a really cool experience for somebody who is used to floating spring fed rivers in the Midwest.

            Well, and then there was La Select on St. Barts one sultry night. First time I ever saw Corona, but that was in 1997.

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        1. Time we took the Panama Canal back.

          We built it, a lot of our folks DIED building it, and, in a sense, it’s also a national security asset.

          The ChiComs can just pound sand (or eat it, don’t care)… Time that the “Silk Road” madness is ended THE WORLD OVER, before it makes the world over…

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    1. You would think there would be a few Veterans with real life experiences .
      Who could keep that secret ?
      Story does seem pretty fantastical to me, only thing missing is the aliens .

      ” In a vacuum of facts, we are left with speculation . “

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        1. It’s a known part of the plan. Great opportunity to keep asking kindly for evidence! Also taught by the plan.

          Process >>> Data.

          “Logical thinking.”

          Once I spotted that, I considered it much more of a validation than all the watch pictures in the world.

          A self-evidence-teaching psy-op (and in many ways a counter-psy-op) is a beautiful thing!

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          1. I’m not at all able to figure out what you’re getting at here.

            Are you saying the tunnel rescues are a “known part of the plan” or are you saying this is an opportunity for people to learn to insist on hard evidence? If it’s the latter, most have augured in with smoke pouring off their dead engines. It’s become one of those things you’ll never be able to convince people isn’t true–even though there’s no evidence for it. (The old meaning of “conspiracy theory” when used derisively.)

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            1. Military mass psychology has to be very realistic. Sometimes you just control the smoke to “git ‘er done”. Sometimes you get smoke reduction as part of the deal.

              Sometimes more smoke is a good thing. I’m learning as fast as I can, but I’m rarely if ever ahead of these folks.

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              1. Ironically, you’re putting out smoke here.

                Who’s putting out what smoke?

                Are you trying to tell me the whole tunnel thing is true, or not?

                I’m really in no mood to fence with people who are just going say vague things.

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              2. Denver Airport and building contractors’ talk of just how much concrete was poured versus a normal airport…

                Sometimes the “half” of “half-truths” is devastating enough…

                And there are many cavers and “historical societies” who will attest to many, MANY tunnels, underground caverns, and the like, that would amaze most of us (I think Gail more than likely has a ton of info on that)…..

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      1. It’s a frigging particle accelerator. And “Vigilant citizen” isn’t sauce.

        End of story.

        And this isn’t responsive to my question which is about all these rumors of children about to rescued from huge underground complexes.

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          1. Hmm…are they all in or near the same location?

            If they are, it’s not weird at all; it’s one location having a lot of activity.

            The “Rods from God” thing, as I understand it, is telephone-pole sized solid metal rods dropping down from orbit (wow that’s a shit ton of delta v); and though that would be devastating on and just below the surface, I don’t see them plowing through six miles of rock–they’d surely vaporize long before then. Even if so, surely they’d have an effect on the way in, on the surface and on a line all the way down. We’d see more than a point earthquake source 6.2 miles down.

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            1. 3.875 miles …. it was 6.2 km.

              And VC aren’t the only folks yapping about CERN. Outside of the Satanic ceremonies the elite are throwing to celebrate their “accomplishments”, there are many odd things happening there, mostly reported by the local press, who now, of course, are completely overwhelmed by the “Crown” virus…

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              1. Does the problem with CERN mean that Protonmail qualifies as a probable bankster/bloodlines snooker operation?

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  9. Brian has an interesting thread going

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