20200331: Important New Info About Origins of China Virus

It was the top red siren Drudge Link for almost 24 hours and is an important read. Bill Gertz is the National Security Expert for Washington Examiner. He’s also a highly respected expert on SARS virus and has written about China for for over 30yrs. Here is the link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Bill Gertz was also interviewed today on multiple outlets (He was everywhere today). Here he is on War Room Pandemic, from about 4:25 minutes to about 11 minutes into the program.

Here’s what happened:

Shanghai Media Group published a video which Bill Gertz found, overlooked by many. The video is of a Chinese employee for their CDC, Tian Junhua ( https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tian-junhua/ ) who works for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the national center for China’s bat virus research. Tian Junhua is NOT a doctor, but has been lionized in the media as the “bat virus” guy because he has isolated over 300 different bat viri.

The video obtained by Gertz shows Tian Junhua collecting samples of bat guano in caves in Hubei province. Tian Junhua casually mentions “I am not a doctor, but I work to cure and save people,” Mr. Tian says in the video. “I am not a soldier, but I work to safeguard an invisible national defense line.” Okay, he sees himself as a valuable member of society doing good work. Yet, Tian continues, “”As long as I am not getting sick during the incubation period of 14 days, I can be lucky to get away with it,” he said.

What does he mean by “… as long as I’m not getting sick” and “I can be lucky” and what is this about Tian knowing about a 14 day protocol?

Which led Bill Gertz to MORE questions. Are you ready for it?

The public speculated a great deal about the P4 virus lab, The Institute of Virology, in Wuhan, one of the few in the world, built by the French for the Chinese to study SARS, etc. Yet, the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a DIFFERENT facility, and only a Security level #2. THAT’s where the bat virus research was taking place, NOT at the highly secure P4 lab.

Yep, there are TWO facilities and we learn later on, MANY more facilities where bat virus is studied throughout China…………………. WUT?

The Chinese video “Youth in the Wild — Invisible Defender” records researchers engaged in casual handling of bats containing deadly viri. The seven-minute film boasts that China has “taken the lead” in global virus research and uncovered over 2,000 viruses in the past 12 years, the time since the outbreak of the bat-origin virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)……

Prior to China’s discoveries, an estimated 2,284 types of viri had been found in the previous 200 years, the video says.

Chinese state media outlets revealed that Mr. Tian once failed to wear protective gear in a cave and as a result came into contact with bat urine. To avoid contracting a disease, he self-quarantined for 14 days — the same recommended period for people exposed to the new COVID-19 strain.…..

Mr. Tian works for the office of decontamination and biological disease vector prevention and control within the Wuhan CDC. According to a May 2017 report by the Wuhan Evening News, Mr. Tian has gathered thousands of bats for research work on bat viruses since 2012.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Why is a guy who works at a security level 2 lab gathering thousands of samples and not adhering to rigorous protective protocols when handling some of the most deadly diseases known to man? “Until the recent outbreak, all but two coronaviruses in China were studied at biosafety level-2 (BSL-2) facilities — not the high-security BSL-4 laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology — “which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers,” said Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology.”

That’s not what we thought, was it…….?

“Shenzhen News, a publication of the Guangdong Communist Youth League, described in December how Mr. Tian shuttled through caves and jungles looking for viri in bats and ticks, called “vector organisms,” in the quest to develop vaccines.” He’s been doing this for a long time, at least since 2012. No mention of hazmat suits in the jungle while gathering samples and Professor Ebright was shocked at Tian’s lack of protective gear.

Here’s the kicker: Tian Juhua, the “bat hunter”, has recently disappeared. Searching the Wuhan CDC website since the novel coronavirus outbreak contains no reference to Mr. Tian, his work, or that he co-authored at least two scientific studies on the Wuhan virus and its impact. “Efforts to reach Mr. Tian were not successful.” and “A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not return an email seeking comment.” Yep, Tian has been scrubbed from the website and has disappeared.

From the USA State Dept: ““He lives and works at Wuhan’s CDC, a few hundred yards away from the Huanan wet market,” the official said. “He is among the small team in Wuhan that has contributed to China’s obsession in recent years with virus hunting and research.””

Were you under the assumption the viruses were being studied at the Level 4 Lab? I know I was. In fact, deeper in the Gertz article, from Professor Ebright we learn, that bat viri are studied in labs ……….. all over China. Huh?

The Wuhan Institute of Virology is the big and secure level 4 lab, but all the real work on bat virus was being done across town, about 3 miles away from the Wet Market. ….Which leads us back to Bill Gertz, his discussions with Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, the professor from Rutgers, ……. and the Gertz interview with Steve Bannon on War Room Pandemic.

This means it is highly probably the virus may have escaped as part of research from the Level 2 lab in one of 4 ways, it is a real possibility, and China needs to open the records of both labs to the world:

  1. The virus could have leaked from a sample in transit from the cave back to the CDC in China.
  2. It could have leaked from the Level 2 laboratory.
  3. It could have leaked if the Level 2 lab transported live virus to the Level 4 lab.
  4. The virus could have leaked from the Inst of Virology, the Level 4 Lab.

We need some answers.

Ebright continued in the Washington Examiner article (emphasis is mine):

“Virus collection, culture, isolation or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose high risk of accidental infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” he said.

Mr. Ebright said the Chinese video shows Wuhan CDC workers under Mr. Tian’s direction with inadequate personal protective equipment and unsafe practices, including exposed faces and wrists and a lack of goggles or face shields. Such practices “would pose substantial risk of infection with a virus having transmission properties similar to those of the outbreak virus,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Many western scientists accept the official CCP party line, “Virus was not a bioweapon and did not escape from a lab.”

Steven W. Mosher, however, takes a cynical view. Mosher is a China specialist with the Population Research Institute and said China has been doing research for years on Horseshoe Bat coronavirus, like SARS, detailed in scientific journals, ones which could be harmful and infect humans directly, just like SARS. Mr. Mosher said, “They write about genetically engineering new and deadly viri capable of infecting human lung tissue — just like the Wuhan flu does.”

Bill Gertz found the news report from 2017 and the video was made in 2019.

******UPDATE******

Tucker Carlson did an entire segment on this very story. Senator Cruz wonders why the MSM is not reporting on this story. Well, the Q TREE did report, and we beat Tucker Carlson on the scoop. We really are the news now.

Research Paper from the guys at South China Inst of Technology, now scrubbed. We found it. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228664201452765185.html PDF: https://www.scribd.com/document/447056518/Originsof2019-NCoV-XiaoB-Res#from_embed

72 thoughts on “20200331: Important New Info About Origins of China Virus

  1. This statement from DOJ needs to be dug. There are statements in this document that don’t have to be made public, yet, they are. Dig on the lab Lieber helped build. Dig on who at DOD authorized grants to study nanoparticles (please don’t throw your pashima’s at me; I am hopeful she may have flipped.). Dig on the other funding. Dig on the Chinese nationals, and their suitcases. So much to dig from this press release.

    “According to court documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber who has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which specialized in the area of nanoscience, has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). These grants require the disclosure of significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Unbeknownst to Harvard University beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese Talent recruit plans that are designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. These talent programs seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China and reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference[s], applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of” WUT.”

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

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  2. Good stuff. Love to see all the USUAL SUSPECTS trying to GET AHEAD OF THE EXPLOSION. They are SO TRANSPARENT with the FAKE TRANSPARENCY.

    STAGE 1: BAT SOUP – ChiComs try to pass off #Plannedemic as natural release.

    STAGE 2: BAT CAVE – ChiComs try to pass off #Plannedemic as accidental research release.
    ^^^^^[YOU ARE HERE]^^^^^

    STAGE 3: BAT PLAN – ChiComs go silent because they know we know #Plannedemic was a WEAPON.

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  3. It’s not just CHINA’S CARELESS VIRUS LAB ACTIVITIES….

    It’s not just Chinese STEALING and carelessly CARRYING VIRUSES around in suitcases all over the world and to the USA

    It’s also EATING RAW bats, fish, snakes, birds and mice is a sure-fire way to for a human being become a VIRUS WALKING, TALKING PETRIE DISH AND CARRIER….

    It’s also t Chinese sending illegals, using exchange students to steal technology….

    It’s also using raw human waste to feed fish, grow vegetables….

    It’s also China filling building products and food sold to other countries with toxic substances….

    It’s also China selling sub-grade and dangerous products to other countries.

    It’s also polluting rivers and ocean with garbage.

    FACE IT – CHINA IS NOT A GOOD CITIZEN OF THE WORLD.

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    1. China has also sent us bad medicines, surgery kits and masks.

      Now in the middle of this medical crisis – we are sending UPS and FedEX to pick up shipments of ‘Asian’ medical supplies! I really do NOT like that.

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  4. Great interview with Gertz!

    Here is a great article next to it on Drudge, about Chinese EXPERIMENTS to make SARS more deadly to humans, which were exposed in 2015 (as in 5 years ago – PLENTY OF TIME FOR RELEASE NOW)..

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-biological-experiments-infect-humans-coronavirus-exposed-2015-italian-state

    Here is another GREAT ARTICLE from Drudge, about recent Chinese SARS coronavirus whistleblowers and their fates:

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/concerns-03302020150737.html

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    1. You know with all the SCI FI stuff out there we had to know it would eventually come down to a virus war versus an atomic bomb war….
      Problem with SCI FI is that it does have some truths with in it.
      Like a friend told me the other day…just take a lookat some the back ground of some of the best SCI FI writers and you will find some type of CIA work

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  5. Here is the entire DOJ press release.

    Department of Justice
    Office of Public Affairs
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Tuesday, January 28, 2020
    Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
    The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

    Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.

    Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

    Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

    Dr. Charles Lieber

    According to court documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber who has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which specialized in the area of nanoscience, has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). These grants require the disclosure of significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Unbeknownst to Harvard University beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese Talent recruit plans that are designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. These talent programs seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China and reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference[s], applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of” WUT.

    The complaint alleges that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and affiliation with WUT. On or about, April 24, 2018, during an interview with investigators, Lieber stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

    Yanqing Ye

    According to the indictment, Ye is a Lieutenant of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the armed forces of the People’s Republic of China and member of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). On her J-1 visa application, Ye falsely identified herself as a “student” and lied about her ongoing military service at the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT), a top military academy directed by the CCP. It is further alleged that while studying at Boston University’s (BU) Department of Physics, Chemistry and Biomedical Engineering from October 2017 to April 2019, Ye continued to work as a PLA Lieutenant completing numerous assignments from PLA officers such as conducting research, assessing U.S. military websites and sending U.S. documents and information to China.

    According to court documents, on April 20, 2019, federal officers interviewed Ye at Boston’s Logan International Airport. During the interview, it is alleged that Ye falsely claimed that she had minimal contact with two NUDT professors who were high-ranking PLA officers. However, a search of Ye’s electronic devices demonstrated that at the direction of one NUDT professor, who was a PLA Colonel, Ye had accessed U.S. military websites, researched U.S. military projects and compiled information for the PLA on two U.S. scientists with expertise in robotics and computer science. Furthermore, a review of a WeChat conversation revealed that Ye and the other PLA official from NUDT were collaborating on a research paper about a risk assessment model designed to decipher data for military applications. During the interview, Ye admitted that she held the rank of Lieutenant in the PLA and admitted she was a member of the CCP.

    Zaosong Zheng

    In August 2018, Zheng entered the United States on a J-1 visa and conducted cancer-cell research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston from Sept. 4, 2018, to Dec. 9, 2019. It is alleged that on Dec. 9, 2019, Zheng stole 21 vials of biological research and attempted to smuggle them out of the United States aboard a flight destined for China. Federal officers at Logan Airport discovered the vials hidden in a sock inside one of Zheng’s bags, and not properly packaged. It is alleged that initially, Zheng lied to officers about the contents of his luggage, but later admitted he had stolen the vials from a lab at Beth Israel. Zheng stated that he intended to bring the vials to China to use them to conduct research in his own laboratory and publish the results under his own name.

    The charge of making false, fictitious and fraudulent statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of visa fraud provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of acting as an agent of a foreign government provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of conspiracy provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of smuggling goods from the United States provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

    Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; Special Agent in Charge of the FBI Boston Field Division Joseph R. Bonavolonta; Michael Denning, Director of Field Operations, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Boston Field Office; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General; and William Higgins, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Export Enforcement, Boston Field Office made the announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys B. Stephanie Siegmann, Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting these cases with the assistance of trial attorneys William Mackie and David Aaron at the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

    The details contained in the charging documents are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

    These case are part of the Department of Justice’s China Initiative, which reflects the strategic priority of countering Chinese national security threats and reinforces the President’s overall national security strategy. In addition to identifying and prosecuting those engaged in trade secret theft, hacking and economic espionage, the initiative will increase efforts to protect our critical infrastructure against external threats including foreign direct investment, supply chain threats and the foreign agents seeking to influence the American public and policymakers without proper registration.

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  6. I had the pleasure of sitting next to Steve at the speakers table about 17-20 years ago at a pro-life banquet. I seldom am impressed by people, but Dr Moshur was seriously one of them. He is the man who blew the cover lid off the one child policy of China. He is a serious China scholar.

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    1. Plain Jane
      Frist, I hope you are feeling better. Sending Peace and Good Energy to you.
      Second, Dr. MOSHER was THROWN OUT of the PhD program in Anthropology at STANFORD UNIVERSITY in 1983. He was working on a PhD thesis on the FORCED ONE-CHILD POLICY of the Communist Chinese government. Mosher EXPOSED this policy to the world.
      http://www..nytimes.com/
      Article of February 26, 1983
      https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/
      Article of March 20, 2020

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      1. Thank you CV.
        I forgot about Stanford. A lot of water went under my bridge since I met him and read his books.
        I couldn’t make your links work for me, so I just DuckDuck GOed him. He is quit a man is an understatement. I have to go into my basement to see if I still have his books to re-read. China was right that he’d be trouble for them. Truth might take a long time to come out, but out it comes. God bless him and his people.

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  7. Professor Ebright, mentioned several times in this article (OP) has been carrying the Chicom govt water in press statements. Wolf was posting about him just yesterday, and we were wondering if he had been taking grant money from the Chinese.

    also…

    This while thing is a smokescreen. OF COURSE this crap came from China. And OF COURSE the Chicoms are going to do everything in their power to sell the “it was an accident” line.

    The fact that the Chinese researcher has been disappeared and all references to him scrubbed from the interweb smells like a big, fat, wet, stinky coverup.

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    1. YUP. We are now in the SALES PITCH for STAGE TWO – “IT WAS AN ACCIDENT”.

      Ebright sure got out in front of this fast as hell, didn’t he? Funny how fast that happened. Wonder how long it will be until the looming asteroid of GAIN OF FUNCTION is gonna get MONEY-DEFLECTED off of BILL GATES so it can hit SOMEBODY ELSE…..

      Oh, there it SMOKING GUN GUNSMOKE pouring out EVERYWHERE. Including that SMOKING ASTEROID coming across the CHINESE SKY…..

      And now I’ve got CHI-BOTS all over my timeline using Chinese Twitter Tricks to tie BAT SOUP FAIRY TALES to my account.

      FUCKIN’ RIDICULOUS.

      Hey – let’s just play this tweet again, because FUNNY THING – it matched PUBLISHED RESEARCH that came out and got cited right away and – OH WOW – it conflicts with the opinions of CERTAIN SCIENTISTS…..

      GAIN OF FUNCTION, BABY!!!

      Seems like CHINA was the WILD WEST for UNETHICAL RESEARCH.

      THOUSAND TALENTS OF SILVER!!!

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    1. That sounds vaguely suspicious. I just heard on the news recently that there’s some bug going around, ‘Corona’ something or other.

      I didn’t pay real close attention, but it sounded just about exactly like what this article is talking about…

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  8. “Mister” (not ‘Doctor’) Tian Junhua is a liability so huge for the CCP that it’s amazing he still draws breath in this world. This guy is not even a doctor, and yet not only does he have access to the highest levels of deadly virus research in China, he is *the* Chiese Communist Party ‘virus guy’.

    With z-e-r-o medical qualifications.

    This is light years beyond criminal negligence on the part of the Chinese Communist Party. The liability that attaches here is obviously GLOBAL, and these CCP yahoos don’t even require a basic medical degree for their primary researcher?

    And his clown act is actually on video, where he brags about his gross medical incompetence?

    And this video is produced and broadcast by Chinese Communist Party state-run media?

    The Chinese Communist Party is completely and wholly liable — financially AND criminally — for such gross disregard for human life.

    And that’s best case scenario, i.e., IF the release of the China Virus was actually an accident.

    What are ‘reasonable damages’ sought by a class-action suit of 120+ nations around the world, for derailing an EIGHTY TRILLION DOLLAR global economy and plunging the entire planet into a depression? (asking for a friend).

    What are reasonable damages sought by the same class-action for the trillions of dollars in global expenditure to contain, diagnose and treat the victims of this gross Chinese Communist Party negligence?

    What are reasonable damages sought by the SURVIVORS of the Chinese virus?

    What are the reasonable damages sought by the families of those who have DIED from Chinese virus?

    Add all that up, and it bankrupts China for the next thousand years.

    It’s game over.

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  9. I was going to ask, how is it possible that the primary witness to be called on behalf of the WORLD — Mister Tian Junhua — against the Chinese Communist Party, has not been ‘disappeared’ down the deepest hole ever dug?

    Then I read that “Mister” Junhua HAS disappeared.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    It won’t matter.

    Not only is the Chinese Communist Party finished. Not only is everyone who had knowledge of this and shared in that knowledge finished (which is likely multiple government around the world). But the viability of China itself, as a sovereign nation-state, should be in jeopardy, if it isn’t already.

    How can they possibly pay for this?

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  10. “What does he mean by “… as long as I’m not getting sick” and “I can be lucky” and what is this about Tian knowing about a 14 day protocol? ”

    _______________

    That’s a great question for the prosecution to ask Mister Junhua, and his Chinese Communist Party bosses.

    The jury, consisting of the entire population of planet earth, awaits their answers with breathless anticipation.

    Mister Jenhua and the CCP may wish to retain counsel, before answering!

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  11. “Yet, the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a DIFFERENT facility, and only a Security level #2. THAT’s where the bat virus research was taking place, NOT at the highly secure P4 lab.”

    ______________

    So what then, liability quadruples?

    Quintuple damages?

    Is there even a theoretical limit to Chinese Communist Party liability risk exposure here?

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  12. “The seven-minute film boasts that China has “taken the lead” in global virus research and uncovered over 2,000 viruses in the past 12 years, the time since the outbreak of the bat-origin virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)……

    Prior to China’s discoveries, an estimated 2,284 types of viri had been found in the previous 200 years, the video says.”

    _______________

    So considering that the number of viruses existing in the world is potentially infinite, and considering that it will never be possible to identify them all, which is the better course of action here?

    1) continue to collect, identify, isolate and purify deadly viruses in your garage and basement laboratories which put the population of the entire planet in danger of extinction, under the guise of magnanimously creating ‘vaccines’ for each an every one of them

    or

    2) stop the filthy (and clearly dangerous) practice of eating bats and other ‘exotic’ animals that harbor such deadly viruses, and LEAVE THEM ALONE?

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  13. “To avoid contracting a disease, he self-quarantined for 14 days — the same recommended period for people exposed to the new COVID-19 strain.…..”

    _______________

    In my best Carl Spackler voice: Correct me if I’m wrong Sandy, but self-quarantine would have nothing to do with contracting a disease if exposure has already taken place.

    Self-quarantine would only prevent you from passing it along to anyone else if it turns out you have contracted a disease.

    Quarantine only allows time to determine WHETHER you are infected, it does nothing AT ALL to avoid ‘contracting’ a disease after exposure has already taken place.

    You can’t be ‘exposed’ to a deadly disease and then just do your best Eddie Murphy impersonation and say “Well I’ll be real good from now on, Mr. Cates!“, as if that will retroactively protect you from getting sick…

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  14. “Efforts to reach Mr. Tian were not successful.” and “A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not return an email seeking comment.”

    _______________

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    Could be another terminal case of Epstein didn’t kill himself syndrome.

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      1. “Maybe so is assisted suicide!”

        ___________

        Very much so, the Clintons weaponized assisted suicide virus decades ago.

        They have more data on suicide virus than anybody, stored and catalogued at the CBCF (Clinton Body Count Foundation). 👍😁

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  15. From the USA State Dept: “He lives and works at Wuhan’s CDC, a few hundred yards away from the Huanan wet market,” the official said.”

    _________________

    Because where else would a competent scientist or medical researcher set up a biological research lab?

    Why not just relocate the wet market to the courtyard of the bio-lab, and kill two stones with one bird?

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  16. “Were you under the assumption the viruses were being studied at the Level 4 Lab? I know I was. In fact, deeper in the Gertz article, from Professor Ebright we learn, that bat viri are studied in labs ……….. all over China.”

    _______________

    Cool.

    So at this point, having any sort of diplomatic relations with China is like finding out your neighbor — who is not a doctor and doesn’t even play one on TV — is conducting his own Ebola research… out of his garage…

    This just keeps getting better 😂

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    1. Infuriating.
      I mean, wtf?
      If they requested a Level 4 lab to conduct research on SARS, then why in the heck is the SARS research NOT BEING DONE AT THAT LAB?????

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      1. “then why in the heck is the SARS research NOT BEING DONE AT THAT LAB?”

        Because ~2,300 viruses have been discovered by other countries over the past 200 years, but in 12 years the ChiComs have added another 2,000, thus almost doubling the total number of viruses known to modern science.

        You can’t expect them to double the worldwide inventory of scary viruses in 12 years time, and do all the research in just one puny little French-built P4 lab, do you??

        What are you, a nationalist or something, expecting the People’s Liberation Army to do all its vast array of virus experiments in one lab, when they obviously need to spread out to secure and non-secure facilities all over their beautiful country, to conduct military bio research on such an unprecedented scale?

        [Sheesh! Some people. And their questions!] /sarc

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  17. “This means it is highly probably the virus may have escaped as part of research from the Level 2 lab in one of 4 ways, it is a real possibility, and China needs to open the records of both labs to the world:

    1. The virus could have leaked from a sample in transit from the cave back to the CDC in China.

    2. It could have leaked from the Level 2 laboratory.

    3. It could have leaked if the Level 2 lab transported live virus to the Level 4 lab.

    4. The virus could have leaked from the Inst of Virology, the Level 4 Lab.

    We need some answers. ”

    ________________

    Each of the above possibilities relies on an astronomical level of abject stupidity.

    So I would like to propose a 5th possibility:

    5. The virus could have been intentionally released on the population to create a global black-swan event on behalf of multiple (and multinational) interested parties. Releasing it on your own population provides plausible deniability, whereas releasing it directly onto any other nation would have been received as an act of war.

    It is dangerous to attribute to stupidity that which could be the result of malice or guile.” — Aubergine’s Razor

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    1. Yeah, I guess Professor Albright is stupid.
      And Bill Gertz, National Security Expert who has written about China for 30yrs, expert on SARS is probably stupid as well.
      And above all, I must be stupid as well…. right Scott?

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      1. Communication breakdown on aisle 5 😁

        Not professor’s Albright’s stupidity, not Bill Gertz’ stupidity, and above all, not your stupidity.

        The CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY’S stupidity.

        Each of those possibilities sounds like they’re in search of an innocent explanation, while the axe murderer is standing right in front of them, holding the smoking axe.

        Each of those possibilities requires a level of stupidity on the part of the CCP that can’t even be calculated.

        Is the CCP really that stupid?

        Can they be that stupid?

        Think about what they would have to do, in order for an ‘accidental’ outbreak to occur.

        1. The virus could have leaked from a sample in transit from the cave back to the CDC in China.

        How stupidly, criminally incompetent would the CCP have to be, to have someone with no medical or (apparently) scientific training (Mister Junhua) to be in charge of discovering and isolating deadly viruses?

        It’s like putting Larry the Cable Guy in charge of a nuclear reactor. Only worse.

        2. It could have leaked from the Level 2 laboratory.

        How could it even BE in a Level 2 laboratory, without incurring maximum liability for the Chinese government when (not if) there was a break in containment leading to a 100% predictable deadly contagion spreading around the world? How stupid would the CCP have to be, to handle such incredibly deadly bio-hazardous material in a Level-2 facility?

        3. It could have leaked if the Level 2 lab transported live virus to the Level 4 lab.

        Except we already know the following: “In fact, deeper in the Gertz article, from Professor Ebright we learn, that bat viri are studied in labs ……….. all over China.”

        Even HAVING a bio-hazardous material of this nature at a Level-2 facility incurs maximum liability for the CCP. How stupid (and insanely criminally negligent) would the CCP have to be, to transport such a deadly contagious bio-hazard from a Level-2 facility to anywhere? If the CCP is incompetent enough to have China virus at a Level-2 facility in the first place, what are the chances that they would observe proper bio-hazard protocols during transport to a Level-4 facility?

        It’s like bad comedy.

        4. The virus could have leaked from the Inst of Virology, the Level 4 Lab.
        This is their best-hope alibi, but if bat virus is being studied all over China in Level-2 labs, the chances that if it accidentally escaped anywhere are exponentially higher at any of the apparently many Level-2 labs messing around with bat virus, than at the one (or two?) Level-4 labs.

        .

        The incompetence and stupidity of the CCP would have to be off the charts for any of those situations to arise.

        On the other hand, the CCP, as all state-level communist parties in history, has a historical record of caring not at all for their own people (or anyone else’s). How many millions of Chinese did Mao murder?

        And he’s Jin-Ping’s hero.

        The CCP appears to be DEEPLY involved in ownership and/or control of:

        1. our entertainment industry
        2. our news media industry
        3. our social media / big tech industry
        4. our universities
        5. top level members of Congress and who knows how many lower level spies in our own GOVERNMENT

        There is lots more that the CCP has their fingers in, but that will suffice for now.

        All five of the above entities are involved in war against Donald J. Trump, along with their worldwide Cabal associates.

        The Muh Russia hoax failed, the Vindman hoax / Impeachment hoax failed. Did we think they were just going to give up?

        With trillions of dollars at stake, not to mention control of the entire planet, a culmination of decades if not hundreds of years of effort?

        Can they really be stupid enough to accidentally cause something like China Virus to happen, coincidentally instigating a black-swan event that derails Trump’s primary re-election selling point (the economy), provides cover for the DNC’s nominee scheming, and all the other shenanigans that are guaranteed to be going on right now under the cover of this planetary emergency?

        Right in the run-up to DJT’s nearly certain re-election?

        Could it really be a coincidence, a coincidence so incredibly fortuitous and timely to the Dims and their Chi-Com owners/handlers, Deep State Cabal, etc.?

        If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, why does anybody want to guess that it’s anything or everything else BUT a duck?

        BTW, it would never have occurred to me to suggest you were stupid, or to even think it.

        The thought has never once crossed my mind.

        I can hardly believe you thought otherwise, even for a moment.

        So for future reference, if you ever take something I have written in such a way that you perceive it as a personal insult, that’s your sign that there is a clear misunderstanding taking place 😁

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        1. “the Vindman hoax / Impeachment hoax failed…”

          Scott,

          People, including Q, kept asking all last year why Pelosi even was doing the impeachment thing when Republicans controlled the Senate.

          In light of recent events, we may have our answer. And it is now a valid point of speculation that maybe the Lt. Col. Vindictive/Impeachment hoax DID NOT fail.

          It succeeded beautifully at its goal of camouflaging worldwide progress of the plannedemic from the American people throughout the winter, so that they could be hit flat in the face with the fact [actually, the false narrative, — but let that go for now — ] of the corona virus at the appropriate time in the spring.

          Thus, they could be panicked into acquiescing in, or even demanding action, such as shutting down the existing economy, socialization of the future economy, aggrandizement of the Fed, and overall wrecking of the federal government’s credit worthiness. It is much, much easier to panic people by springing something huge, strange, and dangerous on them at the last second, rather than giving them a few months to learn about it, and plan appropriate actions for themselves.

          And novel coronavirus was the biggest story in every nation in the world in January, except in the one where Schiff/Pelosi/Nads/Schumer/CIAramello/Vindictive et al. provided the fake media with such a convenient excuse to ignore the progress of Xi/Gates’ little joint project.

          Q recently provided us the crucial date of Jan 15, 2020 for us to drill on. Bet not even Q recognized its double significance at the time!

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  18. “Many western scientists accept the official CCP party line, “Virus was not a bioweapon and did not escape from a lab.”

    From the linked article: “Kenneth Plante, associate director at the World Reference Center for Emerging Viruses and Arboviruses at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, said he doubted the new virus came from a laboratory.

    There’s a lot of conspiracy theories that this came out of a biocontainment facility and things of that sort,” he said last week. “But these viruses are closely related to bats. The actual mechanism of the reemergence of this virus was actually hypothesized back during the original SARS coronavirus,” he said.

    But Steven W. Mosher, a China specialist with the Population Research Institute, said China for years has been doing research, detailed in scientific journals, on horseshoe bat coronaviruses that could be harmful to humans.”

    _________________

    To pretend that modern ‘science’ has not been wholly corrupted and weaponized by the Left (like everything else) is to not be paying attention.

    What if we look into the political affiliation and social media accounts (not to mention bank accounts) of any and every ‘western scientist’ who has adopted the official Chinese Communist Party line?

    My expectation is that 10 out of 10 are Democrats (if American) or easily identifiable Leftists / Globalists from other nations.

    That’s really all you need to know about any self-described ‘scientist’ at this point, in order to quickly determine whether they have zero credibility, or whether they might be credible. Is he or she a Democrat, or foreign equivalent? If the answer is ‘yes’, then their public pronouncements are tantamount to Leftist propaganda or dogma.

    They put out the CCP party line narrative, and the aligned interests of the worldwide MSM (owned by or associated with the same CCP) amplifies it all the way to ’11’.

    Like all the other cons the Deep State / Globalist Cabal foists on the public.

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      1. I put up this reply to your comment on the daily thread about why we did not NEED to shutdown the economy:

        FAUCI wants a FULL CLINICAL TRIAL. For those who do not understand THIS IS WHAT THAT little sentence actually means:

        I could not find the FDA guidelines quickly so this will do:

        What Happens in a Clinical Trial?

        What happens in phase 0?
        Phase 0 of a clinical trial is done with a very small number of people, usually fewer than 15. Investigators use a very small dose of medication to make sure it isn’t harmful to humans before they start using it in higher doses for later phases…

        DONE since it is an old drug

        What happens in phase I?
        During phase I of a clinical trial, investigators spend several months looking at the effects of the medication on about 20 to 80 people who have no underlying health conditions.

        DONE since it is an old drug

        What happens in phase II?
        Phase II of a clinical trial involves several hundred participants who are living with the condition that the new medication is meant to treat. They’re usually given the same dose that was found to be safe in the previous phase.

        Investigators monitor participants for several months or years to see how effective the medication is and to gather more information about any side effects it might cause.….

        DONE since it is an old drug.

        What happens in phase III?
        Phase III of a clinical trial usually involves up to 3,000 participants who have the condition that the new medication is meant to treat. Trials in this phase can last for several years.

        The purpose of phase III is to evaluate how the new medication works in comparison to existing medications [or procedures like ventilation? – GC] for the same condition. To move forward with the trial, investigators need to demonstrate that the medication is at least as safe and effective as existing treatment options.

        To do this, investigators use a process called randomization. This involves randomly choosing some participants to receive the new medication and others to receive an existing medication.

        Phase III trials are usually double-blind, which means that neither the participant nor the investigator knows which medication the participant is taking. This helps to eliminate bias when interpreting results.

        The FDA usually requires a phase III clinical trial before approving a new medication. Due to the larger number of participants and longer duration or phase III, rare and long-term side effects are more likely to show up during this phase.

        If investigators demonstrate that the medication is at least as safe and effective as others already on the market, the FDA will usually approve the medication.

        ⬆️⬆️⬆️THIS IS WHAT FAUCI WANTS!⬆️⬆️⬆️

        Since there are two drugs (three if you count zinc) I am sure he wants a FULL FACTORIAL DESIGNED EXPERIMENT.

        A Full Factorial Design Example

        “Note that the factor settings have been coded, replacing the low setting” [No Drug] “ by -1 and the high setting” [Drug] “by 1.”

        Let X1 = Hydroxychloroquine
        Let X2 = Azithromycin
        Let X3 = Zinc

        Not that this is a SIMPLE trial. It does not look at dosage levels or Chloroquine instead of Hydroxychloroquine.

        TABLE 3.6 A 2^3 Two-level, Full Factorial Design Table Showing Runs in `Standard Order’

        …….X1 .. X2 .. X3
        1 … -1 … -1 … -1
        2 … +1 …-1 … -1
        3 … -1 … +1 …-1
        4 … +1 …+1 …-1
        5 … -1 … -1 … +1
        6 … +1 …-1 … +1
        7 … -1 … +1 …+1
        8 … +1 …+1 …+1

        LONG STORY SHORT: Only ONE out of EIGHT people would get the full medical treatment. If Hydroxychloroquine alone sort of works but more slowly, TWO out of eight get a better chance to live. This means SIX OUT OF EIGHT are LEFT TO HEAL ON THEIR OWN using current medical practices!

        If the study of 3,000 people then 6 out of 8 or 75% or 2250 do not get treated with the new Trump Protocol.

        Interesting how Vaccines get up and running SO MUCH FASTER….

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  19. Q TRee bet everyone to the punch on this story.
    It’s important.

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