20200329: CoronaCRISIS/ China Virus Daily Thread

For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.

Transcript found at: https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-remarks-by-president-trump-in-a-meeting-with-s-1842549869

We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.

For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.

Primary Update Links:

In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:

  • Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
  • Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
  • Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates 
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
  • An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
  • Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
  • Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
  • Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.  
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Other news items

Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:

Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.

Love to all!

597 thoughts on “20200329: CoronaCRISIS/ China Virus Daily Thread

  1. Damn they are now trying to block people from exiting NY now to prevent spread of virus to other states. So sad.
    What is even sadder is what DeBlasio telling people at beginning of March to ignore the virusl
    Praying for all of these people….But damn people in that city are packed in like sardines

    FLASHBACK To March 3: De Blasio Asks New Yorkers To Ignore Coronavirus, Get On With Their Lives
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/25/cuomo-coronavirus-china-new-york/

    Coronavirus kills one person every 17 minutes in New York
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-kills-every-17-minutes-new-york?fbclid=IwAR0B62kc52lx1o2ANZzWgdkRy1iqmwdzsfljCzVxMYryqr7yaLPHrBPE_10

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      1. Coronavirus killing people in New York City at rate of one every 17 minutes
        For the past two days, New Yorkers have been dying at a rate of one every 17 minutes, according to the latest grim citywide statistics.
        https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-killing-people-in-new-york-city-at-rate-of-one-every-17-minutes-2020-03-28?reflink=mw_share_twitter

        Hell in New York: One Death Every 17 Minutes – Doctors can’t keep up @FortRussNews https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/03/hell-in-new-york-one-death-every-17-minutes-doctors-cant-keep-up/

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    1. Nothing like humans packed like sardines in a can to help with ‘social distancing’

      July 12, 2012 Agenda 21 Micro-Apartment Scheme Being Beta-Tested in NYC

      The globalist design for micro-apartments is being championed by New York’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg. These “studio and one-bedroom apartments” will be no bigger than 275 to 300 sq ft. These tiny living spaces are smaller than currently allowed by building regulations, according to a statement by Bloomberg’s office; however, the zoning regulations will be waived in over to construct the first of many compact pack ‘em and stack ‘em housing model in the city-owned area of Kips Bay.

      The intention is to construct an area in NY that accommodates restricted housing space, eliminates car use in favor for walking and bicycling and promotes mass transit. Herding the expanding population into dense areas will smaller living spaces will instill the new class of poor and obligate their psychological transition toward accepting the Agenda 21 megacity concept.

      According to the globalists at America 2050, “metropolitan regions will be an interlocking economic system, shared natural resources and ecosystems, and common transportation systems link these population centers together.”

      Bloomberg stated: “Developing housing that matches how New Yorkers live today is critical to the city’s continued growth, future competitiveness and long-term economic success.”

      Bloomberg has announced this “ New Housing Marketplace Plan ” with directives toward financing 165,000 units that are more affordable than anything on the current market. By 2014, these units are expected to be competing to get New Yorkers out of their large apartments and single-family houses and into a tiny space to maximize functionality in a clear move toward creating Agenda 21 megacities out of existing spaces…..

      But as usual the promised price decrease did not materialize…

      Renters have started moving into Manhattan’s first legal micro units — but while the apartments are teeny, their prices are super-sized.

      Apartments under 400 square feet are still illegal in New York, thanks to a victory housing activists achieved in the 1980s.

      But this building — at 335 E. 27th St. — is an exception to that rule….
      *https://nypost.com/2016/06/12/the-costly-fallacy-of-nycs-first-micro-apartments/

      68 SQ FEET? that’s less than 7 ft X 10 ft Kind of hard to stay 6 feet away from someone in that type of space…

      THE NEW YORK APARTMENT AVAILABLE TO RENT FOR $950 A MONTH – BUT IT’S ONLY 68 SQ FEET

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      1. “The globalist design for micro-apartments is being championed by New York’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg.”

        _____________

        Then Minnie Mike should live in one.

        Or shut his mouth.

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        1. ALL the elite should live in them! Instead they live in YUGE homes in gated and patrolled communities while we, The Great Unwashed, live like sardines in a can.

          You know, sort of like the Aristocrats in feudal times.

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          1. The tighter the living conditions the more people get angry with each other and the more they want government to force their neighbors to behave.

            Also deteriorating conditions. Disease, filth, etc.

            No space means no storage or workspace
            * No extra supplies
            * NO TOOLS
            * No workshops
            * Minimal capacity for even basics like BLANKETS
            * NO surge capacity
            * NO BOOKS – forget owning a library
            * Forget having a kitchen for real food prep – canning, gardening, raising chickens, etc.
            * Forget having a schoolroom for homeschooling
            * Welcome to having less space or storage than prisoners have

            https://www.designboom.com/design/freedom-room-new-hospitality-concept-made-and-conceived-in-jail/

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      1. This new song by Matt Maher has me going now a days.
        God Bless You NYGuy

        Joy still comes in the morning
        Hope still walks with the hurting
        If you’re still alive and breathing
        Praise the Lord
        Don’t stop dancing and dreaming
        There’s still good news worth repeating
        So lift your head and keep singing
        Praise the Lord

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  2. If you don’t like stats, just scroll.

    I messed around with some #s last night for fun. Tonight’s #s seem to indicate that the shut down is working…we are indeed at 20%! 🙂

    3/27 – 100,292 (100,997 … yesterday’s # went up after I did my figuring)

    Projection based on growth rate of 20%, for 15 days…hopefully we will go to 20% and even lower…
    (why 20% – moderate growth prediction based on recent trend growth rate & shut down affects as we are now at 2 weeks. this may spike due to New Yorkers traveling in large numbers + spring breakers who caught Wuflu ought to be showing up with symptoms now and in the near future. but then hopefully continue downward as we stay faithful to the shutdown as our various regions/states need it)

    3/28 120,350 (actual: 20%/121,099)
    3/29 144,420
    3/30 173,304
    3/31 207,964
    4/1 249,556
    4/2 299,467
    4/3 359,360
    4/4 431,232
    4/5 517,478
    4/6 620,973
    4/7 745,167
    4/8 894,200
    4/9 1,073,040
    4/10 1,287,648
    4/11 1,545,177

    Actual growth rate of the last 15 days
    3/15 – 24%
    3/16 – 25%
    3/17 – 29%
    3/18 – 43%
    3/19 – 49%
    3/20 – 45%
    3/21 – 36%
    3/22 – 36%
    3/23 – 32%
    3/24 – 23%
    3/25 – 23%
    3/26 – 26%
    3/27 – 23%
    Added:
    3/28 – 20%

    Growth rate is trending downward – Stay at home working? Looks like it!
    (and, yes, continued down today)

    Hope the growth rate continues to drop and goes well below 20% quickly so our total cases grow even slower.
    The slower they grow the the more cases will resolved as new cases are diagnosed – beds from previous cases are freed for the new cases as we get larger #s at once.

    Even as % lessens, the actual #s of new cases will still be significant as % of large #s.

    Expected “surge” in health care is still expected several weeks from now. Even with lower growth rates, the numbers are already large enough and the hospital stays tend to be long that the hospitals will continue to fill for a little while.

    Praying shut down worked. Praying treatments cont. to be studied and made readily available at Trump speed as that is the Real Answer to avoid issues

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    1. Yes, if HQ starts being used for a majority of cases, hospital stays should go way down. And maybe many people won’t need to be hospitalized at all. That would be the best case scenario.

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    2. I appreciate the approach you take on this issue…

      BUT looking at number of cases is a waste of time, because it’s going to grow simply because we are testing more people. Even if no one ever caught it again, the number would grow. So–looking at confirmed cases doesn’t demonstrate the disease is still spreading, even if the count is increasing.

      (On the other hand, if the number doesn’t grow (or barely grows) even though the number of tests administered is skyrocketing, that’s good news.)

      (On the other hand if your goal is to demonstrate that more people have caught this than the H1N1 flu, that’s a different matter.)

      Better to focus on hospitalizations, deaths and recoveries.

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      1. the “hospitalizations, deaths and recoveries” are dependent on and the result of the number of cases

        the less cases, the less hospitalizations, deaths…

        covid needs a host in order to survive…people spread it…it doesn’t just “spread” on its own…

        by looking at and being aware of the number of cases…and where those cases are growing exponentially (like Florida)…we can see where the hot spots are located.

        to simply say that it is “growing because we are testing more people” implies that if we weren’t testing more people it wouldn’t be growing…?

        the only way to treat it is to quarantine and hospitalize…the only way to know who to hospitalize is to test for it….the more ppl who are tested positive for it, the more cases actually recorded and reported….

        to not “focus” on the reported confirmed cases is to leave out the most important part of the equation, imo..in terms of how many hosts are still in the communities…

        and keep in mind the stealth aspect of this…many more ppl also have it who have not been tested….and they are actually spreading it without knowing…like, for instance, the many ppl flocking into south Florida now from hot spots like NY and Louisiana, spreading it around down here !

        for example, here in south florida where I’m located, I absolutely want to know each morning the number of confirmed (recorded/reported) Covid cases as compared to the previous day…that way I can know the situation in my community…and the increased risk factor…

        the question I might have is related to the “reported deaths”…wondering how many of the deaths being reported as covid-related are actually just that…and not a death due to another pre-existing health issue even tho the person tested covid positive.

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        1. Deaths due to WuFlu are still due to WuFlu even if the person had an underlying medical condition because in most cases the person would be alive today if not for WuFlu.

          Some are Very sickly and may/may not be alive today…Most would be alive.

          When we hear underlying condition, we oughtn’t picture someone who is already laying in a hospital bed or a nursing home bed, pale, frail, sickly, hooked on an IV surrounded by family and about to pass.

          Not saying that there have been no deaths of WuFlu of someone in that condition but…

          When we hear underlying condition, we ought to picture the people we know who take a pill to control Diabetes, High Blood Pressure and other conditions but are mostly leading normal lives. People who are obese, have had heart surgery but are working full time or otherwise leading active lives have an underlying condition. 60+% of America has a Known Underlying condition!

          The more one underlying conditions, the worse the condition (out of control diabetes even with meds, for example) or the worse undying condition (past/recent/ongoing lung cancer would be a worse underlying condition for WuFlu!) the chances of complications and death still vary.

          Dr. Fauci said at a press conference (I do not remember which one at this point) that mere age was a factor, even if no other underlying conditions, as our immune system simply is less effective the older we are. Plus, most of us past 50 yrs old (and many under 50 yrs old) have at least 1 underlying conditions of some sort.

          Why do I point this out? Because many are finding false comfort by dismissing the deaths that come with the explainer of “patient had underlying conditions” and because many think the threat is therefore not as widespread as it is. Plus, for those who have Zero underlying conditions and never catch WuFlu – if the hospitals become overwhelmed, every patient admitted for Any reason (car accidents, for example) is at a much greater risk.

          I am not trying to spread fear nor am I saying that any particular person has been dismissive or is not taking this seriously. This is not aimed at one particular person.

          It is a response here because I have seen this as a Common Response from Many and just food for thought so we aren’t surprised by developments, aren’t confused as to why President Trump &/or state govs take strong steps to slow the spread, receive or want to share misleading/false info that this is not that big of deal and so that no one takes inappropriate risks based on false perception.

          I am mainly a reader on most topics – we need All treepers to understand and take this seriously … and be here commenting and contributing to MAGA! 🙂

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        2. “to simply say that it is “growing because we are testing more people” implies that if we weren’t testing more people it wouldn’t be growing…?”

          In a way yes.

          IT IS WUHAN VIRUS ONLY IF THE TEST IS POSITIVE!

          Remember it is CDC’s Nancy Messonnier’s REFUSAL to test that got us into this mess in the first place! CDC ran just 426 tests by Feb 24!

          If you do not test then the deaths and hospitalizations are put down to pneumonia or an ‘unknown’ strain of influenza.

          CDC even admits out of the 1,208,294 they bothered to test by March 21, only 242,330 (20.1%) were positive. So what were the OTHER 80%?
          *https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#ILINet

          Earlier in the year in mid February, “……..CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 32 million flu illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths from flu…..”

          February 17, 2019 

          ….The current flu season has been milder than last year’s, with the vaccine protecting about half the people who were inoculated and a less severe strain of the virus causing most of the illnesses that do occur.

          However, there have been more deaths than usual from that milder strain, and there is evidence a more severe strain of the influenza virus is causing a growing percentage of illnesses….
          There have been 11,600 to 19,100 deaths so far.

          “The number of deaths we’re seeing is a little bit surprising,” CDC epidemiologist Brendan Flannery told the Wall Street Journal…..”
          https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2019-02-15-flu-season-vaccine-illnesses-deaths

          there is evidence a more severe strain of the influenza virus is causing a growing percentage of illnesses was that ‘more severe strain’ Wuhan Virus? We do not KNOW because the CDC REFUSED TO TEST! WORSE they REFUSED TO ALLOW OTHERS TO TEST!

          A Seattle infectious-disease expert named Dr. Helen Y. Chu tried to test people as soon as the first case was reported in her area, but the CDC prevented it.

          Dr. Chu finally went ahead and tested anyway.

          Washington state ordered her to stop. 

          Rigidity of thought, bureaucratic red tape, and the pigheadedness of government employees prevented Dr. Chu from getting out in front of the epidemic.
          *https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237911399382183936.html

          They did the same D@MN thing with the mad cow disease! The government REFUSED to allow Creekstone to slaughter and test their cattle so they could be exported to Japan. The excuse was they were ‘worried about false positives’ So you FREEZE THE BRAIN AND HAVE THE GOVERNMENT LAB RETEST! Linda Faillace (Mad Sheep) had 22 RETESTS done before a uncertified lab with a ‘new’ uncertified testing protocol finally found the ‘mad cow disease’ in the sheep the USDA had confiscated from her and slaughtered. That meant they did not have to PAY for the sheep and destruction of her business.

          Former HHS Official: CDC Lied to Trump, HHS Secretary About Ability to Make Wuhan Coronavirus Test
          *https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/former-hhs-official-cdc-lied-to-trump-hhs-secretary-about-ability-to-make-wuhan-coronavirus-test/

          ”Former assistant secretary of Human and Health Services (HHS) Chris Meekins told James Rosen, a Sinclair investigative reporter, that the CDC lied to President Trump and HHS Secretary Alex Azar about its ability to produce a Wuhan coronavirus test.

          Trump and his administration have received a lot of criticism over tests. Now it looks like the anger should go to the CDC.”

          This article by a Stanford Dr. has more details on how the CDC messed up the test. Key point was CDC chose technology that was 30 years old, that only worked on their machine, and was not open about details on the test. Probably so THEY could control the information and make sure the virus got a strong foothold in the USA.
          *https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZaiDO87me4puBte-8VytcSRtpQ3PVpkK/view

          The CDC refused admittance to an FDA person, Timothy Stenzel, director of the Office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health, for a day, Feb. 22, who then found contamination issues at the CDC lab.
          *https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/03/cdc-blocked-fda-official-premises-119684

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          1. I usually appreciate yr wise comments, Gail…you know a lot about a lot…but this is now getting to be like word salad…jmo…

            I’m sure yr correct…I just can’t wade thru it all.

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              1. CDC only did 426 tests by Feb 24.

              2. CDC PREVENTED a Doctor in Washington state from performing tests. This is where the nursing home had the first deaths. Could the good Dr have PREVENTED those deaths?

              3. CDC straight out LIED to President Trump about testing.

              4. CDC only tests 1 in 30 flu cases a year and out of those only 20 % are actually IDed as influenza A or B or whatever.

              5. CDC epidemiologist Brendan Flannery back in February admits there seems to be a more severe strain and they are getting a surprising number of deaths given the fact the vaccine is working against strains A and B of the influenza.

              TAKE AWAY:

              CDC was not testing so the excess deaths from the ‘more severe strain of the influenza virus’ that was ” causing a growing percentage of illnesses” in February was possibly from the Wuhan Flu.

              GIVEN:
              1. Case zero in Wuhan is now November 17th

              2. There are daily flights from Wuhan to San Francisco and NYC so there was at least two months during which the Wuhan flu could hitch a ride to the USA

              Even now we have ZERO idea of how many are infected in the China Towns across the country or within the homeless population or within the illegal population. Unless people have very specific symptoms that do not show until AFTER they are contagious, testing is STILL not done. (Asymptomatic carriers have proved to be ‘Typhoid Marys’.)

              IF CDC was actually doing their job, they would have had decent tests by early February. They would have done a random sampling of the homeless population, the Chinese population, and the international travelers who were in Wuhan over the last few months IN EACH CITY especially San Francisco and NYC. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has complete records of the entry and exit of persons arriving and departing by air or sea so the data was available.

              The minimum sample size in my field is 30 samples but I would imagine you would want ~100 samples minimum from each of the groups I just named to have an idea of what was happening.

              The CDC has more than 14,000 employees (Around the world 🤔 ) You could think SOME of them could have been sent off to check for disease in our cities INSTEAD of in far-off-landia!

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          2. Yes! I think there is intriguing potential to find the WuFlu initial breakout hiding in the negatives returns of flu results – esp. Dec, Jan & Feb.

            I have been learning about the methodologies of Flu stats and have seen that there are a significant number of negative flu tests but obviously the patients were presenting with flu like symptoms or tests would not have been ordered.

            I have not had time to look up past year’s % of negative flu tests and see if this year’s % were higher which would indicate a new, underling cause for an upswing in % of negative flu tests.

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          3. Excellent Find! Just as I have been saying, we ALL got it earlier, because it was HERE earlier, and either MISDIAGNOSED, and marked as regular flu, including the DEATHS, OR it was NOT tested because people with MILD symptoms thought they had the REGULAR flu or something else! Your work PROVES my theory!

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        3. Your last statement is the important one, Smiley…documents changed to bring up numbers to bring in more financial aide. Nice little scam going there.

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        4. to simply say that it is “growing because we are testing more people” implies that if we weren’t testing more people it wouldn’t be growing…?

          We are confusing the ACTUAL amount with the MEASURED amount.

          Here’s an analogy. If no traffic tickets are issued for speeding, does that mean NO ONE is actually speeding? It could just be that the cops are off eating donuts. Or is it the fact that people are speeding, but there just aren’t enough cops to catch them all?

          Back a little closer to realityu, cops do issue speeding tickets. We all know that doubling the number of cops on patrol would probably double the number of speeding tickets issued. But that wouldn’t mean suddenly twice the number of people are speeding.

          Since we’re administering the test more and more rapidly to wider and wider circles of people, we will find cases we simply didn’t know were there, even if no one new is catching the disease.

          Don’t get me wrong, we want to test as many people as possible for the reasons you gave!

          But it’s the very existence of the stealth cases, and the fact that we uncover more of them, that means we can’t conclude that a 200% jump in the number of people tested positive necessarily means a 200% jump in actual cases–if we’ve tested TEN TIMES as many people as before. Many of those cases were around before the jump in testing and are only now becoming visible. (Those aren’t actual numbers; I made them up to illustrate my point.)

          This is why all along I’ve hammered on the number of people hospitalized for COVID. By now we’re testing anyone who gets hospitalized with symptoms even remotely like COVID (this was not true as recently as February 27), and it’s a MUCH smaller group of people than the-entire-population-of-the-US. It’s much more likely that this number is some reasonably constant proportion of the entire group of people who have it, and we can therefore use it to see trends, and see where this disease is going. Are our hospitals going to be overwhelmed? Look at the growth rate in hospitalizations!

          That renders all the arguing over what the actual death rate from the disease actually is, completely moot, and lets us focus on the number that makes this a potential crisis, rather than just a seasonal bug of some sort.

          I am of course assuming honest reporting for hospitalized cases; people are now calling New York into question on this as was the case for Wuhan.

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      2. Increased testing has lead to confirming more cases … but the “widespread” testing is not as widespread as we may have thought. Testing in most locations still requires that the person wanting to be tested clinically present with a list of symptoms, including fever, coughing, etc. Even medical workers are not being tested at will but only after presenting with symptoms.

        Our current case #s do not reflect (for the most part) those who do not have symptoms or who have very mild symptoms (no fever, for example). Most who receive a test have most/all of the checklist of symptoms but more are now being tested prior to hospitalizations with severe symptoms.

        Medical workers, patients hospitalized with a partial list of symptoms (see Kathy Griffins childish drama at not getting a test because she didn’t match the full list of symptoms), those who drive up/walk in without the full list of symptoms…many are not being tested at will or unless deemed appropriate.

        So increase due to more testing but still not reflecting the majority of those infected and increases are (mostly) of those who are ill with WuFlu not just infected with WuFlu.

        (some are tested due to known exposure to family members and situations like babies born to others with WuFlu)

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        1. Not testing medical personal is not only foolish it is CRIMINAL. Either they self quarantine for 14 days when we NEED every hand on board. OR they are carriers infecting others.

          The 600 cops in NJ with the Wu-Flu are an excellent example of the problem.

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          1. I think some are testing and quarantining when their is known exposure without personal protective gear. But other medical personnel are becoming infected with personal protective gear through the course of their work but are not all being tested on a routine basis or even not until they have met the list of criteria of clinal symptoms to be tested.

            Yes, the high infection rate of NJ PD shows the dangers of high infection rates even without high death rates and/or high rates of hospitalizations. High #s of people being sick all at once would impact necessary services.

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        2. I replied to smiley2 just above, and though it’s not a direct response to your points, it does describe where I’m coming from.

          All I’m arguing against is using the percentage growth in the raw “confirmed cases number” as if it were the actual growth rate of COVID cases.

          (I’m certainly not one of those people who tries to compare this to the flu to minimize it. I’m just trying to find the best metric to characterize the biggest problem…which is in this case the potential overwhelming of our hospital system)

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    1. We pack and ship masks to China as part of “humanitarian aid”

      They ship us back crap masks they manufactured that don’t work.

      One heck of a racket.

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            1. Replacing a power cord on an appliance used to be a perfectly normal thing to do. I try to take the junk and get it repaired and the appliance guys tell me REAL QUICK what they think of it and what the odds are for how long the fix will work.

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          1. I have a fan and a toaster that are older than I am and my sewing machine was made in the early 1950s. I also have a chandelier that was gas and converted to electric that is probably 100 years old or more. All are in every day use.

            I HATE the Chinese crap. We have several water hydrants we have to dig out and replace. The first couple were made in the USA and still work fine. The newer made in China are pure crap!

            I also noticed my 16 ft hog panels from 20+ years ago are much heavier gage than the ones I bought recently at four times the price.

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            1. My parents bought their first refrigerator/freezer in 1968, a Frigidaire. It eventually was moved to a storage closet for back-up use, but that thing ran without any maintenance (that I’m aware of) until about 2008.

              It was the freezer that taught me it was a bad idea to put your tongue on freezing cold metal (the freezer swing-out basket) or it will get stuck, when I was about 4 or 5 years old.

              They told me not to do it.

              Which was probably 90% of the reason why I did it. I probably would never have even thought of it otherwise.

              But once the idea was planted, I just had to know 😁

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          2. My first one was an Amana. It was incredible in comparison to the garbage of today. It had a temp probe, cooked evenly and didn’t petrify foods unless I somehow got stupid.

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          3. The first house I bought in 2001 or so had a microwave from the late ’70’s that came with the house. Worked like a champ up until we got rid of it because the ex gf thought we needed to upgrade to a modern stainless finish one. The old one worked way better!

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          4. Read this comment and went down stairs to check the name of my microwave we pulled out of the shed. The nice one above the stove quit after 2 yrs. Yep. Sharp and it might very well be 40yrs old.

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    2. Hope your doing well!

      You know I had a friend who did a hip replacement in Texas and got a massive infection…I’m wondering if surgical kits were from China and this lead to her issue. She still has problems to this day.

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      1. I would not bet agains it. Also, I vaguely remember reading, maybe here, that our feds stopped med facilities from using some specific way to sterilize, and med facilities had to got o something else.

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    3. I was reading elsewhere the other day (didn’t save the link) that China is also recycling used masks !

      yep…”sanitizing” used masks already worn by many many ppl previously exposed to covid….and recirculating those masks back into the mass public to be used again.

      nice.

      gotta get me some of that. /s/

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      1. Just a quick search of American made products. Wife and I try to go out of our way to NOT buy Chinese products. I want their economy to collapse and do not want to contribute to it.

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  3. Saw the picture and figure some Trump Supporter was mimicking what happened with Puerto Yet seems Cuomo even admired they were being stored in a warehouse.
    Busted After Trying To Dunk On Trump, Dem Gov of New York, Cuomo, Busted, Magically Admits To Warehouse ‘Stockpile’ of Ventilators
    President Trump ordered FEMA to send an additional 4,000 ventilators to New York and they had already been received as Cuomo was forced to admit when asked where they were, at the presser he held yesterday:Gov. Cuomo: Yes, they’re in a stockpile because that’s where they’re supposed to be because we don’t need them yet.
    https://illicitinfo.com/busted/2020/03/29/after-trying-to-dunk-on-trump-dem-gov-of-new-york-cuomo-busted-magically-admits-to-warehouse-stockpile-with-ventilators/

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    1. I think we’ve been hoaxed.

      Right or wrong, most all supply distribution networks now are just-in-time deliveries. IOW, supplies are left in the warehouse until needed somewhere or scheduled to leave.

      Isn’t that what Cuomo just said he did?

      If private sector capitalists have been doing it that way for years, why is Cuomo wrong if he does it?

      YMMV.

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      1. Cuomo is/has been saying that Trump is not sending the supplies NY needs
        Cuomo is using the virus to tear down Trump…Remember how Cuomo made a bit deal about Trump only send 400 ventilators to NY.

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      2. Cuomo’s goons likely didn’t realize the respirators were chipped with a RFID tag making it easy for them to be found.

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    2. They should make Cuomo test every single one, personally.

      Give him a little ink-stamp to mark each one, saying “Tested by me, Mario Cuomo — my face was here!” 😁

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          1. What will really twist these people in knots, is that the guns are essential. More so in the blue states and counties where the police aren’t policing.

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      1. One more reason to just Love this man! So blessed to have President Trump right now v. Hillary…or Anyone else! Blessed all the time on many issues. Stark contrast as to how this crisis would have been handled!

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      1. He and Zuckerface teamed up and donated $25million for virus research. ONLY $25 MILLION BETWEEN THOSE 2 RICH BASTARDS, THAT’S ALL?!?!????

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        1. On The Other Hand…

          How many people are actually qualified to research a vaccine?

          If you throw a billion dollars at a small pool of people, that might be more than they can actually spend in a year.

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            1. If you are lucky, only 50% of the grant money will go to the institution, to pay for everything from facility maintenance to administrative salaries. Most of the time though the institution skims more than that.

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    1. Judging by the amount of people I’ve seen ignoring the local “stay at home” order, I doubt they’ll be able to maintain these lockdowns past Easter. At least they won’t be able to without straight up martial law, which is probably part of Bill’s plan.

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        1. And if this poll by Candace Owens is representative of anything, a lot of people won’t be buying Bill’s patented vaccine either.

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    2. My Bill Gates screed on Disqus:

      Wolf Moon Ana Miles • 25 minutes ago • edited

      Wanna know why all these idiot world health drones, including our own, told Trump not to do travel restrictions? Because Gates’ “Event 201” Coronavirus pandemic “training” literally TRAINED people that travel restrictions were not effective. Yes. They were TAUGHT this as part of that “exercise”.

      It was not an exercise. It was CONDITIONED RESPONSE TRAINING so that the pandemic would catch fire and work out as they planned. And Trump threw a WRENCH in their global viral distribution plans.

      That CREEP Bill Gates tried to sabotage us. Check out the YouTube of “Event 201” – there are plenty of other ways that Bill Gates tried to control everybody’s thinking. Nothing about treatments, obviously. Nope. The VACCINE RESEARCH FUNDING HUCKSTER mind-fracked the world health community, with the full-on help of Winnie the Pooh’s Marx-boy running WHO, who parroted the LIES from China about human-to-human transmission, so it would have more time to spread.

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          1. I just read that some stores ((Hobby Lobby or ??) are giving out free supplies to make your own mask. Don’t know how effective, but it’s good PR and can’t hurt.
            If I were to make a cloth mask I would insert one of those “thin pads” (mensural) as a filter. The good part is that it can be replaced as often as you want, and I think would be especially beneficial for reusing masks.
            Probably TMI, but I’ve used those for years when actively hiking for long periods and very limited backpack space, no ability to launder…and travel in general. Outside the box and all that.
            Hubby went to our local Publix yesterday and reported more empty shelves than previous and, for the first time, saw a handful wearing masks, but mainly employees.

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            1. Cloth masks have their purposes. They may not be N95 effective but they do have greater marginal utility than none. If a filter can be added all the better.

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      1. The Chinese woman who founded this antibody testing company has connections to Bill Gates. Regardless, people need to ask what ANY antibody testing company plans to do with the DNA they collect.

        “In 2009, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Awarded Grand Challenges Exploration Grants to Chang Yi Wang, for the Synthetic Peptides to Inhibit HIV Entry program”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Yi_Wang

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        1. Taiwanese, fortunately, and her generation is usually trustworthy, although some are manipulable as controlled anti-mainland opposition. Looks like she took a Gates grant, but unrelated to this work, so she likely owes him nothing.

          But yes – one cannot be too careful.

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            1. Whoa…start Googling all of the companies and and organizations listed in this CEO’s profile. Deep State rabbit hole including everything from shady art funds and to Clinton connections. SWAMP MONSTER.

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            2. I think Popester The Commie just pulled him in to spy and maybe try to set some pizza hooks, but the main danger is the guy himself.

              Very clear from the article (to me at least) that these folks were part of THE PLANNEDEMIC. The question in my mind is whether they took part in Event 201. Which was the TEST RUN for Event 2019. The real McCoy.

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      1. Sadie, I’m not as knowledgable as some here, and was alarmed the first time someone suggested we are giving our DNA to “the govt” with the driveup nose swab tests. But then I thought … if we’ve ever had a blood test, isn’t our DNA already recorded somewhere in some giant bureaucratic system?

        I’m not disagreeing with you that this whole virus quarantine thing is dystopic, but is there something I’m missing in thinking blood given for a test for antibodies Is no different – DNA wise – than blood drawn for tests as part of an annual exam?

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        1. Technically, you’re right. However, the labs that analyze blood tests would have to have a procedure set up to divert part of each sample to send to a DNA lab. There could be one in the same complex or it could be across the country. The skill set to do basic tests on blood is much less than the skill set needed for DNA analysis.

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          1. Thanks, pgroup. I figured there’d be some additional steps or unique labs. So it really depends on what the intent is. Sadie is right to suggest we check into who and why. I don’t think any of us are naive about how intrusive and overreaching this whole virus fiasco is. Kinda seems like damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

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        2. Depending on who your doctor is and where they do testing and how much anonymizing is done on your samples, you may already have given up DNA into some government system we know nothing about.

          Given that I can’t trust my doctor’s office due to record tampering, I’m assuming various bad people have already gotten the various “extra” blood samples that got taken along the way.

          Nasty business. Modern health is simply dystopic by nature, IMO.

          It amounts to TRUST. If you give ANY of your cells to people, they can get DNA. The question is simply this – WILL THEY, OR WHOEVER THEY TRUST WITH YOUR SAMPLES OR DATA.

          One thing the ChiComs like to do is to intercept stuff where nobody thinks it can be intercepted. So if your data or samples are stored somewhere, or discarded / not discarded, etc., that might be where it gets lifted.

          The cloud is generally a tire fire on somebody else’s property.

          Most PC people simply can’t be trusted. It’s absolutely not PC in a company to say “We can’t store that data in China. It’s a security risk.” The highest-ranking Asian bitch in the room will jump up and FORCE IT to China for PC brownie points on both race and sex, plus every other “phobia” she can think of. It’s just REALITY.

          PC kills. And sometimes it kills BIG.

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          1. Obamacare = EHR (Electronic Health Records)

            I would assume anything stored in a hospital computer is available for pickins to a high-level actor.

            Remember, even insurance claims give lots of highly actionable intelligence, and probably a more complete medical history than if you have the genome.

            (MCM has been training us for decades to think everything in our lives is controlled by our DNA. They have no idea of the importance of epigenetic and environmental factors. A smoker with lung cancer still dies no matter what the DNA has to say about it.)

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          2. The tampering may not have happened at the doctor’s office. Whoever was entering records for my sister and I from our pediatrician’s office – a place neither of us have been in over 30 years – put my orthopedic records in her chart. That was NOT the pediatrician’s mistake, I can tell you.

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          3. Well, sadly, worrying about “them” having your DNA at this point is mostly moot.

            Since so many people, including relatives of yours and mine, have given up their samples in the name of “genealogy,” you can be tracked simply based on that.

            They’ve already tracked down “criminals” using DNA donated by relatives, not the person themselves. And I am pretty reliably informed that they have enough samples that this could now be done to everyone on the planet.

            This horse has left the barn. I HATE that, but it is reality. If they have an antibody test, I will probably take it, so I can try to get on with life. All my idiot cousins have outed my DNA through Ancestry or 23 and Me already.

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      2. Dr. Birx said she wants to test everybody. Dr. Fauci thinks that anyone who’s had this MAY have immunity. They want to test everyone to see who may need the vaccine. Do we have a BS flair for this page?

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  5. I have seen something similar to this several times:

    China own about 5.2% of the US debt or $1.1 trillion
    *https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080615/china-owns-us-debt-how-much.asp

    American Companies OWNED by the Chinese:

    …. HNA Group was in talks to buy a controlling stake in the publisher of Forbes magazine….

    Chinese companies, though, own part or all of a number of companies that impact American lives on a daily basis, and many people aren’t aware of it. Whether you’re going to the movies, washing your clothes or preparing dinner, there’s a good chance some of the money you spent to do so eventually found its way to China.

    Here’s a look at some of the bigger business names that are owned by Chinese companies.

    The nation’s largest movie theater chain was bought by Dalian Wanda Group in 2012 for $2.6 billion. Chinese businessman Wang Jianlin, who runs Dalian, has a taste for Hollywood, having also bought a major film studio (see below). And last November, AMC added Carmike Cinemas to its holdings for $1.2 billion. Jianlin also tried to buy a controlling stake in Paramount Pictures last year, but parent firm Viacom rejected the offer.

    This $7.1-billion-dollar deal, completed in 2013, remains the largest purchase of an American firm by a Chinese company. Virginia-based Smithfield Foods has been an icon of the American food industry….

    Stoves, refrigerators, washers and dryers from General Electric have been around for more than 100 years, but starting last year, the appliance division of the iconic company has been Chinese owned….

    Anabang Insurance Group, the buyer of this well-known Manhattan hotel, was unknown in 2014, when it paid nearly $2 billion for the establishment. But it has since become a more common name to investors, buying U.S. insurer Fidelity & Guaranty Life last fall….

    Last year Blackstone Group sold its line of luxury hotels to the Chinese company for $3.93 billion (roughly $6 billion, including debt). The deal put Anabang in charge of 16 properties, including assorted Ritz-Carlton locations in California, the Fairmont Scottsdale in Arizona and the Four Seasons Resort in Jackson Hole, Wyoming….

    Ingram Micro’s name may be a bit less familiar to consumers, but the company distributes everything from Apple’s iPhone to Cisco’s network equipment. Last year China’s HNA Group (the same group bidding on Forbes) bought the company for $6 billion.

    When the deal was finalized in December, it ended public trading of Ingram’s shares….

    Motorola was an early leader in the telecommunications space, dating back to 1928. As mobile devices began to dominate the industry, it spun its handset division off into the independent Motorola Mobility, which was bought by Google in 2012. Two years later, though, the search giant announced it was selling the unit to China-owned Lenovo for $2.9 billion, making Lenovo the world’s third-largest smartphone maker…..
    *https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/10-iconic-american-companies-owned-by-chinese-investors.html

    SO…
    IF President Trump has solid evidence that the Wuhan Virus IS a bioweapon, what happens to the Chinese owned US debt?

    Do all those CHINESE owned businesses get part of the bailout?

    Are they ALLOWED to remain Chinese owned?

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    1. WOWZA. I must’ve missed this in my rush to correct my sleep deficit.

      The Fed’s Cure Risks Being Worse Than the Disease
      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cure-risks-being-worse-110052807.html

      In just these past few weeks, the Fed has cut rates by 150 basis points to near zero and run through its entire 2008 crisis handbook.

      N.B.: FED has run out of ammo and proved itself useless!!!

      . . . the alphabet soup of new programs that deserve special consideration, as they could have profound long-term consequences for the functioning of the Fed and the allocation of capital in financial markets. Specifically, these are:

      CPFF (Commercial Paper Funding Facility) – buying commercial paper from the issuer.
      PMCCF (Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds from the issuer.
      TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility) – funding backstop for asset-backed securities.
      SMCCF (Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds and bond ETFs in the secondary market.
      MSBLP (Main Street Business Lending Program) – Details are to come, but it will lend to eligible small and medium-size businesses, complementing efforts by the Small Business Association.

      To put it bluntly, the Fed isn’t allowed to do any of this. . . .So how can they do this? . . . In essence, the Treasury, not the Fed, is buying all these securities and backstopping of loans; the Fed is acting as banker and providing financing. The Fed hired BlackRock Inc. to purchase these securities and handle the administration of the SPVs on behalf of the owner, the Treasury.

      In other words, the federal government is nationalizing large swaths of the financial markets. The Fed is providing the money to do it. BlackRock will be doing the trades.

      This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.

      Don’t tell me THAT wasn’t planned!!!

      In effect, the Fed is giving the Treasury access to its printing press. This means that, in the extreme, the administration would be free to use its control, not the Fed’s control, of these SPVs to instruct the Fed to print more money so it could buy securities and hand out loans in an effort to ramp financial markets higher going into the election. Why stop there? Should Trump win re-election, he could try to use these SPVs to get those 10,000 Dow Jones points he feels the Fed has denied everyone.

      Rest of the article is economic fear-mongering. Team Bloomberg wants you to know They Don’t Like It.

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          1. Remember I said that the pin on the Frank Dodd hand grenade was being pulled out slowly but surely?

            It may not just have been shoved back in . . .

            They may have totally dismantled the grenade . . .

            Or at least lobbed it over the fence into the waiting laps of the banking cartel 😉

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      1. This article is, as far as I know, the only “sauce” behind all the tweeting about Trump taking over the Fed.

        It makes very little sense to me and I suspect it’s a lie by the liberal who wrote it, trying to scare leftists by lying about Trump.

        I know that Q reposted it…but then, Q does a lot of disinformation to confuse the enemy.

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          1. I’m relieved that a few people on our side are at least wondering about this.

            Sometimes I wonder if I am the only person around who reads what people “on our side” (or are they? Sometimes, not!) are saying with ANY degree of healthy skepticism. I’m relieved to see otherwise.

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  7. Time for a RECKONING!

    There is fury at the top of government about the Chinese Communist Party’s misinformation blitz around the virus, restrictions on vast amounts of protective medical equipment being exported, and animal rights abuses blamed by experts for the outbreak.

    A source said: ‘There is a disgusting disinformation campaign going on and it is unacceptable. They [the Chinese government] know they have got this badly wrong and rather than owning it they are spreading lies.’

    A senior Cabinet Minister said: ‘We can’t stand by and allow the Chinese state’s desire for secrecy to ruin the world’s economy and then come back like nothing has happened. We’re allowing companies like Huawei not just into our economy, but to be a crucial part of our infrastructure.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8163707/Chinas-efforts-blame-coronavirus-army-delegation-Wuhan-infuriate-No-10.html

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      1. It’s just a matter of time, the whole world is going to revolt against them. China is pariah!

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    1. This is a GREAT video. It’s filled with great information.

      And the most important is that TWO THINGS can almost guarantee (99.99%) you don’t get the virus:

      (1) Wash hands all the time
      (2) Never touch face

      Then add a third one:

      Don’t spend 15-30 minutes in close contact with anybody but uninfected household members.

      And you essentially CAN’T GET IT.

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          1. I try to do all that stuff AFTER a good hand-washing at home, or after a shower. Then shave, brush teeth, and all that good stuff. If you never touch your facial implements except after washing hands or showering, your bathroom eventually become home to only “your pet microbes” and nothing from outside.

            Also, if you wash or shower before bed, your bed becomes “pathogen sterile”, and so all those sleepy rubs and touches don’t matter.

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        1. “This never touching the face thing…”

          That is what the mask/scarf/bandanna is for. To remind you NOT to touch your face.

          WHERE GLASSES, wrap around sun glasses will do or safety goggles if you do not already wear glasses.

          PUT YOUR HAIR UP AND WEAR A HAT! Those stray wisps of hair are going to drive you crazy and make you want to touch your face. Therefore contain your hair.

          When Hubby earlier this week insisted we had to shop, I wore gloves. I came back to the truck, carefully removed the gloves and then out the truck window he squirted my hands with soapy water so I could wash them and then he squirted my hands with rinse water. After that I applied hand sanitizer. Only then did I open the truck door.

          When I got home the shoes went into a Clorox bath in a large plastic (kitty litter) box I have sitting on the side porch. Clothes went directly into the wash and I went into the shower.

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          1. If you tried to get me to do even half of that, I’d say, “just shoot me”.

            Side note: could leftists/commies use a video of your routine as exhibit 1 in an involuntary commitment hearing? 🙂

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            1. I am 70 years old with asthma, high blood pressure, arthritis and type II diabetes. I rather be careful than dead. And yes it is a royal pain in the butt!

              If I ever meet Nancy Messonnier I am going to introduce her to Silvia Shovel. 🦹🏻

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    1. The flip-side of this is the guy in the next bed who did not get HCQ and Z-pak and died. Ask me what I think is appropriate for his heirs….just ask me…..and if you’re feeling really spunky, ask me whether I think the hospital or doctor deserve to be bankrupted for their negligence.

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    2. Tidy, short version. (1) Dr. Raoult’s graph, and (2) The money quote from a 2005 abstract, with link.

      These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Chloroquine+as+a+potent+inhibitor+SARS+2005

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    1. Here is the ‘live’ tweet:

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      1. This is just incredible and will, if widespread, 100% avoid the disaster of overwhelmed hospitals that was a real potential (and for which healthcare systems and fed/state govs are still preparing). Just tremendous! And, of course, help every patient not go through the misery of WuFlu and avoid deaths.

        and we can get back to “normal” as we will now have a cure/treatment as it begins to spread again.

        A “miracle”…except it was known…and that is where the investigative treepers will shine as the known answers to this crisis, this real virus, will be a deservedly Huge scandal. + from whence the virus came – HUGE potential scandal. + how WHO and China handled its outbreak – price to be paid.

        Will be interesting to see the How/Who/Why play out and for this I Expect (not hope) to see justice!

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  9. Milwaukee Medical Examiner now has a public dashboard – interesting to look at the corona cases.

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      1. Heaven:

        The police are British
        The cooks are French
        The engineers are German
        The administrators are Swiss
        The lovers are Italian

        Hell:

        The police are German
        The cooks are British
        The engineers are Italian
        The administrators are French
        The lovers are Swiss

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      2. Another version:

        In heaven, the old joke goes, the police are British, the cooks French, the lovers Italian, and it’s all organized by the Germans.

        In hell, the police are French, the cooks British, the lovers German, and it’s all organized by the Italians….

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  10. Interesting thread on keeping virus free:

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    1. “No where near peak”…there is a backlog of tests (although the labs are operating round the clock and are doing amazing work!). Some hospitals may have more patients waiting confirmation tests than they have patients who officially are diagnosed. CA, for example, has many tests pending listed on their daily updates.

      The # of officially hospitalized WuFlu patients is behind the # of patients hospitalized. They do not wait for test confirmation before they admit and begin treatments (although a confirmed test may change the course of treatment). Confirmed tested patients are behind the actual #s of admitted patients being treated. Tested patients are Not “Real Time” # of patients *in the hospitals*.

      State officials and fed gov are aware of how many tests pending as well as % of tests tracking positive and how many are hospitalized with the clinical presentation of WuFlu and awaiting tests.

      Again, they have more info than we do and are not looking at the “current” stats that we have. They are looking at additional information, much less informed projections of cases when they make the decisions and recommendations that they do.

      Remember just weeks ago when there were less than 1,000 cases nation wide and many could not understand the strong actions being taken? Same goes for now when we see the semi-outdated information of even our “real time” web sites of reported/confirmed cases of WuFlu. 120K confirmed cases may not seem equivalent to the actions we see being taken.

      And the #s we are seeing are despite the actions being taken.

      Game Changer would be effective meds that stop WuFlu in its tracks and render the virus to *almost* routine. This is where the hope is and is truly exciting if effective (and it looks like it is absolutely effective!), we have enough fast and its use is widespread. It will change the course of the history of this pandemic.

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      1. Yup. And we will learn, in the process, that the TOP-DOWN globalist plans to deal with pandemics are often WRONG, self-serving, compromised by massive conflicts of interest, and filled with PC mistakes and BAD INTENT. Many who we have TRUSTED do not deserve that trust.

        The common-sense role of therapeutics BEFORE vaccines UNTIL we can have the REVERSE is going to tell us that BOTH ARE CRITICAL, and that a COMPROMISED MEDIA is too STUPID, DISHONEST and CORRUPT to recognize such necessary corrections.

        The old media has proven worse than incompetent. They are DEADLY.

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      1. Yup. What was interesting was looking at the video timeline outbreak map and NOT seeing my location show up at the proper time. They only have REPORTED / IDENTIFIED CASES as the data set, and you can see you it was already all over the US before they even had a clue.

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  11. WE NEED HYDROXYCHLOROQUIN + ZITHROMYCIN NOW!!!!

    We do not have the luxury of waiting for trials, vaccines and antivirals.

    We have sufficient proof of efficacy.

    IT WOULD BE IMMORAL AND UNCONSCIONABLE NOT TO MAKE THESE TWO DRUGS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW!!!!

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    1. The medics and LEOs should be on prophylactic doses.

      Why don’t the press asshoes ask whether Congress and WH admin are on prophylactics. They should be, and it would ease my mind to know they will remain able to work (much as I wish more Congress critters were quarantined at Gitmo).

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    2. I would like to know when ‘immoral’ and ‘unconscionable’ became relevant factors for decision making by the elites. Because I must have missed that memo.

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  12. THANK YOU, Governor DeSantis!!!
    “In a media availability Saturday, Gov. Ron DeSantis said that Israeli-sourced hydroxychloroquine could play a role in combatting coronavirus.

    “If somebody tests positive, there haven’t been very many effective treatments,” DeSantis said.

    The hope is that hydroxychloroquine, approved for treatment of arthritis, lupus, and malaria, works off label, as a “right to try” medicine for those without other medical recourse.

    The Governor noted that it is being used in New York, and offered anecdotal evidence of a “Floridian in very bad shape” who “used it and it seemed to clear up the lungs and the virus.”

    “I’m not a doctor. I’m not telling anyone to take it or not to take it,” DeSantis added. “This is just something that doctors may have at their disposal.”

    The Governor said the drug would be sent to hotspots for COVID-19, including Dade, Broward, Hillsborough and Orange counties.

    The Times of Israel reports that the initial donation to American hospitals will be 6 million pills.

    “We are committed to helping to supply as many tablets as possible as demand for this treatment accelerates at no cost,” said Brendan O’Grady, Teva executive vice president, North America Commercial.”

    More at link. https://floridapolitics.com/archives/325642-israeli-drugs-combatting-coronavirus

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    1. this Changes Everything! The crisis/National Emergency is not just because of the illness killing % of patients. It is the highly contagious nature causing a sudden surge in patients in the hospitals, etc.

      This med *nearly* eliminates this potential as it prevents complications, quickens the pace of those who are admitted and lessens hospital beds dedicated to ICU patients, etc.

      Huge Game Changer at Every level of care.

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    1. YES!!!

      I took last evening’s (3/28/20 – 7pm) fresh new reported numbers and look at the difference!

      USA Cases
      112,468

      USA Deaths
      1,841

      1.6369%
      ———
      Global Cases
      640,589

      Global Deaths
      29,848

      4.65946%

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      1. The only thing we absolutely know about these numbers is that they are all wrong.
        We KNOW the numbers are significantly lower than presented here, because of all the people who were not ever tested.
        There is a huge difference between 1/2 and 1/1000.

        We MIGHT know the number of deaths. The top number would be the numerator. Problem is, many of the dead are being attributed to Coronavirus and they may have other problems.
        The denominator would be the total number of people with the virus, which NO COUNTRY has successfully calculated as yet, AND CANNOT POSSIBLY calculate as the virus is still spreading.
        The number of people infected today (the denominator) will be different tomorrow.
        See what I mean?

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        1. We know we are not getting the full picture.

          For example –

          Of the hospitalized – how many are in ICU and how many are on respirators?

          Which hospitals have enough equipment and which ones do not?

          FL and GA give a county by county count with a map (at my request) so we can see the spread and hot spots and avoid those areas.

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          1. True, but still, the maps are misleading.
            The maps only show where testing is taking place and often, the results are delayed.
            It was taking 5 days for a test, more days for reporting, more days for updating to a map. So, any map would be about 10 days old even if updated “today”.

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        2. The only thing we absolutely know about these numbers is that they are all wrong.

          By which, you presumably mean, those calculated percentages.

          [One reason you didn’t mention that our percentage might LOOK lower than others is we are probably doing more testing.]

          This is why I’m honestly not interested in arguing over the death rate. I’m concerned about those numerators, and whether and how fast they are growing.

          One rage we have a better handle on than raw fatality rate is the percentage of people who are hospitalized, who then go on to die of it. But even then there are likely to be some biases in the data, ones that common sense SHOULD take care of (e.g., guy has a cardiac arrest one day after he gets the virus; virus hasn’t done anything yet…If they call it a COVID death, someone’s being stupid, probably by bureaucratic fiat).

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    2. From PJ media in that tweet. I very nice example of how the media LIES using statisitcs.

      https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-states-coronavirus-case-numbers/

      “Here is a chart of the whole number of confirmed cases by country:”

      “Looks like things have gotten out of control in the United States, doesn’t? The United States looks worse than the other countries, doesn’t it?
      Now let’s look at confirmed cases per capita:”

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      1. I could probably make that last graph scary too.

        I’ve simply stopped focusing on number of cases (because that is too dependent on the percentage of people tested, which is itself increasing), and am concerned with hospitalizations and deaths. If the curves for those look ANYTHING like these curves…we have a problem. If they don’t, and it’s because of the precautions we took, then we were right to take those precuations.

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    1. We are adding a lock to our garage door & windows next weekend … just in case. Never even thought of locking garage. Also, moved a few important items from the garage into the house…just in case. Might even have to start locking our cars. No need for these things at this at this point – just realizing the are precautions for a much worse case scenario that we had never pictured before. Just thought, in case things go south (which it doesn’t look like they will) people can get more desperate.

      Weren’t so stressed or worried that we did it ASAP. Haying for the garden (combo permculture & hugelkultur adapted for our property and needs) and beginning to plant our seedling in our garden this weekend.

      I can not imagine living in the city and not already owning protection/self defense! Guess lots of people are thinking about realities and potentials they have not thought of before.

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        1. We have our stock (and hide a few extra bottles – seriously as figure that is an easy thing for thieves to grab if we were ever robbed)
          All for purely for medicinal purposes, of course. 😉
          And the homemade is only for fuel…

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      1. My gun prep was far better than my food prep. In fact I haven’t done a thing, gun wise, since this whole thing started.

        Well before panic buying became mainstream, I was buying canned food; I have more food around here than I have in years. Once the panic started, I could just buy the odd items I see–I don’t want to dig into those cans just yet. I don’t expect a “we’ll shoot anyone we see on the streets” situation, but it’s fairly cheap to be prepared to stay at home without starving.

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  13. The CHINESE VIRUS is exposing the stupidity and danger of the leftist agenda every day – particularly:
    – GLOBALISM
    – OUTSOURCING
    – OPEN BORDERS

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  14. In hindsight, this casualty could’ve been prevented by gifting his wife an identical pair but obviously he wasn’t a prepper! (I hope I’ve done this right and the picture posts!)

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  15. SURGEON GENERAL 3 part thread on FACE MASKS:

    TEXT:

    1/3 Regarding masks:
    @WHO @CDCgov & my office have consistently recommended against the general public wearing masks as there is scant or conflicting evidence they benefit individual wearers in a meaningful way, but real concerns about pulling from the healthcare worker supply…

    2/3 If you have #coronavirus or are caring for someone with #COVID19, both @CDCgov and @WHO advise you to wear a mask around others, so YOU don’t spread disease to THEM. There may be other recommendations for wearing masks at the discretion of your health provider or employer.

    3/3 My office, @CDCgov & @WHO constantly review emerging data & studies regarding #COVID19, and will adjust recommendations according to new data as the evidence warrants. CDC does not have new guidance scheduled to come out on this topic at this time.

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    1. I have all kinds of face masks at my house due to being sensitive to dust – and getting several nasty upper respiratory infections from pollen and dust.

      I have 2 kinds of N95 masks by 3M, Kimberley Clark (probably made in China) and the typical blue folded masks you (used to be able to) buy at the drug store and Walmart.

      I also have several kinds of washable, reusable mult-layer cloth masks with bendable metal nose wires inside.

      You can make these masks out of layers of fabric and elastic.

      Consumers need respirator masks that can be used with a replaceable filter disks (or we can cut filters out of a vac bag or other hepa filter paper)

      For example:

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      1. Evidence is mounting.

        So did Oxiris, the Medical Advisor to Gov. Cuomo. Ignorant irresponsible woman told New Yorkers to go out and about, ignore Bad Trump and go to Chinatown, etc.

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  16. Easy reading, informative article about Dr. Zev Zelenko and his successful treatment of WuFlu patients in his New York City clinics,

    *https://forward.com/news/national/442285/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-doctor/

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  17. I’m getting madder and madder by the minute!

    Just think about it – a whole lot of this coronavirus hell could have been avoided IF:

    1. – China gave a damn about human life and wasn’t so larcenous, communist agenda devious and malevolent!
    2. – The medical/pharmaceutical community would dispense Hydroxycloroquine and Azithryomycin to the sick and as a prophylactic for health workers, law enforcement, citizens in close contact with patients and to the military – instead of putting their emphasis on vaccines while people are DYING!!!
    3. – The media was honest and honorable.

    QUIT MESSING AROUND – DISPENSE THE HYDROXYCLOROQUINE AND ZITHROMAX RIGHT NOW to COVID-19 patients (unless they are allergic) and use it prophylactically for medical personnel, law enforcement, etc. and for at-home patient caregivers!!!!

    It’s unconscionable, irresponsible, stupid and evil not to do so!!

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    1. REGARDING #1 – The WHO and the UN know about the disease causing dangers of Chinese, Islamist and African dietary, religious and sexual practices – but they are too damned PC/political/stupid to do anything about it.

      Year after year, we get diseases out these third world communist/dictator hell-holes and the ‘world health’ leaders worry about abortion, gay sex, ‘genders’ and other PC agenda garbage.

      Spit!

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    2. REGARDING #2 – Big pharma is worried about its bottom line and vaccines and exclusive patents are their stock in trade. HCQ is in the public domain – so they can’t reap big $$$.

      They obviously don’t give a damn about human life – if they want to allow us to die and suffer from this disease while they work on their more profitable remedies.

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    3. Not to mention, CONGRESS.
      If we’re going to shut down the country, a means of payment should have been established FIRST.
      Back-ass Congress, stalling like crazy, only added to the crisis.

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    4. Rather sure I would quickly sign a waiver for a prophylactic, Hydroxychloroquine and Zithromax. And go about my life. Guessing IF this were wide spread the curve would be flattened in no time.

      Of course adequate supplies would be needed. But, hey, Mylan restarting their WV facility to support, Buy American is a start. So long as ingredients are available, manufacturing can come along quickly.

      Yea, simple mind here.

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      1. Agree. I’d take it and give it to disabled daughter who was hospitalized for a month due to sepsis last Fall.

        However – medical personnel and law enforcement and military should have it first in case of shortage.

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        1. 100%. Rightfully so. Until supply is sufficient, priorities are necessary. I’ll be in the line back there a bit, but ready when available.

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    5. …. or their actions are intentional, evil and in concert with other evil people, with a touch of plausible deniability written off as incompetence or finger-pointing at POTUSVSG for the sheep.

      My humble thoughts are they are stretching out this plandemic as long as possible for multiple reasons, but near the top has to be ‘remote voting’ in November. It’s their only hope of beating POTUSVSG through massive voter fraud in the right spots.

      My prayers are with POTUSVSG and that The Storm is truly here and will have the impact we’ve hoped for.

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      1. I do not think there is any doubt any more that this was a BIOWEAPON and it was coordinated between the Chinese Communist Party and the DNC in the USA.
        Biological warfare expert Prof. Francis Boyle
        *https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-20-full-transcript-smoking-gun-interview-prof-frances-boyle-coronavirus-bioweapons.html

        Another more recent interview with Dr Boyle.
        *https://johnbwellsnews.com/us-biowarfare-act-author-studies-confirm-coronavirus-weaponized/

        Very long and technical analysis by Adrian Bond several weeks ago. It was immediately scrubbed.
        Unfortunately the maps and graphs are missing but it is still worth at least a glance since he draws together a lot of evidence from multiple angles.

        Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction?
        *https://web.archive.org/web/20200203110836/https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3

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      2. I think you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the remote voting, and THAT is why BILL GATES is pushing for more lockdown! Oh, this is ALL ADDING UP. Including the opposition to THERAPEUTICS.

        Oh, those EVIL RATS.

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  18. HYDROXYCHLOROQUIN + ZITHROMYCIN

    Dr Didier Roault did treatment on patients in France and advised the Koreans. (Closed caption in engligh will help you understand his heavily accented English (8 minutes)

    @1:48 ”…RESULTS came out out of FOUR DIFFERENT TEAMS that HYDROXYCHLOROQUIN is effective against four different species of corona virus…. “ Chinese study showed clearance of virus in 4 days instead of 20 days if not treated. Then discusses ZITHROMYCIN and possible antiviral activity

    @4:40 Discusses experimental set-up. Pick agreeable patients that would remain in hospital for at least 6 days so the viral load could be monitored to see if the virus can be eliminated in 6 days. Patients in hospital in Nice are used as control. Very surprised to see complete cure when ZITHROMYCIN was added to the HYDROXYCHLOROQUIN.

    This may explain why the two drugs work better together:
    2006: Evaluation of immunomodulators, interferons and known in vitro SARS-coV inhibitors for inhibition of SARS-coV replication in BALB/c mice.
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17176632?dopt=Abstract

    …Anti-inflammatory agents, chloroquine, amodiaquin and pentoxifylline, were also inactive in vivo, suggesting that although they may be useful in ameliorating the hyperinflammatory response induced by the virus infection, they will not significantly reduce the replication of the virus, the inducer of inflammatory response. Thus, anti-inflammatory agents may only be useful in treating virus lung infections if used in combination with agents that inhibit virus replication….

    OTHER PAPERS:

    December 1990: Hydroxychloroquin and chronic sinusitis
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2282804

    August 2005: Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
    *https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

    December 2008: Antiviral Activity of Chloroquine against Human Coronavirus OC43 Infection in Newborn Mice
    *https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416

    April 2010: Clarithromycin inhibits type a seasonal influenza virus infection in human airway epithelial cells.
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20040578

    Differences Between Azithromycin and Clarithromycin
    *http://www.differencebetween.net/science/health/drugs-health/differences-between-azithromycin-and-clarithromycin/

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    1. Please read article below to further understand what is happening with Dr Didier Raoult and the problem in France, with this study, big pharma, the media, politicians, etc.

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  19. A Very Important Read:
    Did you know Chloroquine was sold off the shelf to the public for the past 50yrs in France??
    Did you know the French Health Minister suddenly and mysteriously labeled chloroquine a “poisonous substance” on January 13th 2020?
    Why?
    What did she know and when did she know it?
    Why is the French national stockpile of Chloroquine missing?
    Where did it go?
    Morocco?
    Why is Pakistan making Chloroquine for China?
    Why is INSERM (France’s version of CDC or FDA) fighting with Dr. Didier Raoult? He’s the #1 specialist in the world on infectious diseases, according to his peers.

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-france-is-hiding-a-cheap-and-tested-virus-cure/?fbclid=IwAR0LYpYGQtDz9n30oUi6g1axhBsj7QPMviUMO76UWe–KxZymRUjC6bNBus

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    1. Daughn – I have a hypothesis here.

      That health minister HAD to have gone to the Bill Gates pandemic exercise, Event 201, where the people were TAUGHT that travel bans were NO GOOD – which was clearly WRONG information. But these people are DRONES. They have zero suspicions. They’re socialist BOTS. SHEEP. DUMB SHEEP. They will do whatever they are told.

      I don’t know if there is OPEN evidence, like there was for travel bans, of being SET UP TO FAIL on chloroquine. However, these global health folks may have been more QUIETLY taught some myths about chloroquine and antimalarials. This is the way the Cabal works. Get people to do wrong things, thinking THEY THEMSELVES are responsible, and then count on those people (1) self-blaming, and (2) covering up.

      I suspect that BeelzeBOB (Bill Gates) is behind this. I think that guy reasoned out how to make this pandemic as bad as possible to drive both vaccine FUNDING and vaccine COMPLIANCE.

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  20. more info updates here for Florida … mostly for central Florida…

    article link…

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-sunday-march-29-20200329-pxz2jqup3zg3hpbbtotexkwxrm-story.html

    March 29, 2020

    of note : all you New Yorkers at al and all other ppl (hello Louisiana) flocking into Florida now…

    there are checkpoints where officers will instruct all drivers to self-quarantine for 14 days…

    I-95 checkpoint…. and the I-10 checkpoint into the Florida Panhandle…

    Miami-Dade: latest confirmed cases 1,121

    Broward : ” ” ” 820

    Palm Beach : ” ” ” 318

    total state cases : 4,038

    deaths : 56

    Gov DeSantis doing a good job, imo…trying his level best to keep as much of the local economies/businesses still functioning in this catch-22 shituation (ditto : PDJT) without going full tilt with massive across-the-state sheltering/shutdowns….altho a lot has been shut down mostly travel/tourist related…ppl are taking this social distancing seriously here in Collier…the shut down idea flopped here recently, got voted down…social distancing still in effect…business hrs drastically altered…nothing going on at night…now boaters are also being told to distance from other boats and to keep the boat parties down to 100 ppl and less…

    I’m pretty much lying low….lots of ppl bike riding, walking…much more than usual…usually this time of year, they’ve all started to LEAVE…

    I ❤ Clorox

    oh de Clorox 😀 swell.

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    1. also…FYI…anyone interested…

      I just heard from a friend here (Naples) that Marco Island , just to the south of Naples, is now CLOSED …..big CLOSED sign at entrances there…

      don’t blame them at all.

      ditto : Key West.

      y’all nonresident ppl need to just stay put somewhere else …nothin personal.

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    2. (yes, I have posted the same info other comments but not everyone sees every post so posting again in case helpful)

      Link to FL Health Department dashboard for current #s (4,246 as of this comment) as well as breakdown by county, hospitalizations, age range, whether caught through community spread or from travel*

      (* For FL, “travel” cases include travel within the US – FL has counted causes caught other states as travel related {and have done so from early on} so not all “travel” cases indicated international travel/cruises, etc. but were ordinary trips over to the GA border, up to NY, etc. so might not dismiss “travel” as travel industry related)

      https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

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    1. Here is here news release of it too. “Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi released this statement after the Trump Administration announced it is adding Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania and Sudan to the travel ban that the President instituted three years ago:

      “The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law. The sweeping rule, barring more than 350 million individuals from predominantly African nations from traveling to the United States, is discrimination disguised as policy.”

      https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

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  22. Before I forget…GROUND REPORT:

    Okay, so after watching Mass on EWTN, I took off in search of soy free eggs and a few other staples. Went to one of the local chains where the checkers are boxed in, there’s a padlock on the complimentary sani-wipes, and some stuff – like eggs – is being rationed, uh, limited. There was some TP available if you aren’t choosy. Got what I needed and headed to the other local chain.

    Over at the other local chain store, things are far more relaxed. The plexiglass is just one sheet in front of the checker, they wipe down every hour, there is no rationing, and the bin of fresh, whole ginger was empty.

    Imagine that.

    Otherwise, it’s a beautiful day despite the wind and brisk temps compared to yesterday. The magnolias and Bradford pears are in bloom. People are out walking, and riding bikes if nothing else. It’s just more quiet than usual.

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