20200321: Significant Breakthrough on China Virus.

This will be a layman’s explanation. We all have questions, but we need to understand the answers. Know this, amidst all the chaos of this week, something amazing happened in a laboratory in France…..and… a hospital in New York. Yet, the media is mad as hell about it.

Grab a cup of coffee and let’s run through the particulars. First, we have to pierce the veil of the media narrative.

Beginning two days ago, the President began talking about promising results from studies on the drug Chloroquine, and the generic HydroxyChloroquine, when taken with a Azithromycin (which is a Z-Pack). Immediately, the FDA Commissioner, Stephen Hahn, came out to poo-poo the study and assert his bureaucratic control. In perfect lockstep, MSNBC and CNN accused the President of selling false hope to the American people. The separation between what the MEDIA claimed the President said, and what the FDA Commissioner said, is the source of contention, and where the panic-driven media have staked their claim of “the President is not compassionate”. Yes, it was the source of the argument between Peter Alexander of MSNBC and the President during the WH presser on Friday, March 20, 2020.

Stephen Hahn, the FDA Director is a bureaucrat, and this might be the source of the problem. We shall refer to this Rollcall article here: https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/19/fda-walks-back-trump-claims-on-covid-19-drugs/ Follow the typical hyper-partisan verbiage of the text, and the LACK of reporting of the other side of the story from the Trump Administration:

 …..it is unclear what policy changes are being pursued outside of the agency’s existing procedures. (The media does not understand Trump Time and does not understand the President of the USA does not require permission from the media to act during an emergency )

 FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said the agency hoped that drugs already approved for other uses might be safe and effective in treating the novel coronavirus, and he encouraged doctors to consider the FDA’s “compassionate use” process to treat patients with experimental products. (President Trump compared “compassionate use” to “Right to Try” to explain it to the public, but Hahn didn’t like the comparison, thus the media assumed the President was ignorant.) Hahn hung his hat on the technical: The key difference between “Right to Try” and FDA’s compassionate use is that doctors, patients and drug companies that participate don’t need to get the FDA to approve the individual course of treatment. (In other words, in one situation Hahn’s FDA would be involved and in another case the FDA would not be involved…… again it’s all about Hahn and makes no difference to the public)

“The FDA didn’t reply to questions about Trump’s comments that potential treatments would be made available “almost immediately” or how data collected in foreign countries might inform the FDA’s decisions.” (Thus the MSM took this as a cue to dismiss the French study, the entire article barely mentions it) (We learned later, from congressman Mark Green, who is a former Army Flight Surgeon, and been briefed in a classified setting on Coronavirus, the medications will be given to those infected in the USA and data collected for further study, according to his interview linked below).

 Trump gave an optimistic timeline for … remdesivir, an experimental HIV and antiviral drug that has not yet been approved by the FDA, and hydroxychloroquine, a drug approved to treat malaria and arthritis. Here are Trump’s exact words: “Clinical trials are already underway for many new therapies, and we are working on scaling these to allow many more Americans to access different drugs that have shown good progress,” Trump said. 

But Hahn suggested that both products would only be available through some of the FDA’s current protocols until they were formally approved. (In other words, I am the bureaucrat in charge of the process and I own the process). Yes, Hydroxychloroquine is approved in the USA but not for this new disease. Hahn ….hoped clinical trials would be pursued to find out if hydroxychloroquine is effective. (Which does NOT necessarily mean he is ignoring the foreign data) In fact, from Hahn, buried later in the article: “If treatments that are known to be safe in Europe, Japan or other nations are effective against the virus, we’ll use that information to protect the health and safety of the American people,” he said.

Hahn talked about convalescing plasma (taking samples from those recovered to help those afflicted) and …. hoped these tools might provide relief for COVID-19 patients and provide a bridge for three to six months before anything is officially approved.  (Again, Hahn exercising his bureaucratic control over the process and running up against a President who works in “Trump Time”.)

Trump said hydroxychloroquine “has shown very encouraging early results” in treating COVID-19 and that his administration would “make that drug available almost immediately.”  Trump also talked to the Governors about the drug on Wednesday night. Yet Hahn wouldn’t commit to any timing for when hydroxychloroquine would be approved for treating COVID-19 or made available for that purpose. He said he wanted a clinical trial, which typically takes years. Yet, from Laura Ingraham, we see: Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using Hydroxychloroquine with very promising results. One patient was described as “Lazarus” who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released.

From FDA Commisioner Hahn again: “We want to be sure this is done well and right ….” Hahn said. Because it’s a drug that has been around for a long time, he said, “We do have a lot of information about the side effects of the drug, …helps in terms of expediting it.” But while he said that “we are working as quickly as we can,” he wouldn’t speculate on a timeline. (Um, we’re already using it in the USA, we’re not waiting on Hahn)

Hyper-Partisan again: Some of the president’s critics said the remarks were confusing and betrayed a lack of knowledge about how medicines come to market. “At the White House press conference today, President Donald Trump continued to spew misleading, overly optimistic and often incoherent statements about potential treatments for the coronavirus that may be on the horizon,” Michael Carome, health research group director at the liberal consumer advocacy group Public Citizen,….. (So glad to have the opinion of a hack – Can we imagine by this time, given a global pandemic and the pressure of an economic disaster, the President understands the process entirely?) Plus…… (Later we learned, Dr Rigano, co-author of the French study claims President Trump “has slashed more red tape at the FDA than any other President in history” – repudiating, with first hand knowledge, the claims of the President’s critics)

https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/19/fda-walks-back-trump-claims-on-covid-19-drugs/

Therefore, we can see the media attempts to tear apart the President’s efforts, paint the Trump Admin as inept, and question his personal intelligence and judgement. It’s a political effort…. during a global pandemic, and intentionally misleads the public.

So………… what is the real story about a possible prophylactic or therapeutic or cure for the virus plaguing the world? Well, once the media/bureaucrats are out of the way, it looks good. Very good.

We heard about the study in France, with 40/40 positive results: Dr. Gregory Rigano, Advisor to Stanford Medial School and co-author of the study.
“Well controlled, peer-reviewed study” (Dr Fauchi claimed from the podium today this was NOT a peer-reviewed study and the media seized on this point) carried out by eminent infectious disease control expert, Dr. Didier Raoult, MD, PhD, Southern France, in which he enrolled 40 patients with a 100% recovery rate.
Rigano’s interview with Tucker Carlson: WATCH THIS (2 minutes)

Need more details? In the interview, Rigano gave a link to his twitter feed @riganoesq or his new website covidtrial.io and here it is https://www.covidtrial.io/

Link to the actual study includes an interview with Dr. Raoult found below. (7 minutes)

Study was immediately accepted to International Journal of Microbial Agents by Elsevier Pharma.
A cure rate of 40/40 is a 1/10,000 chance and VERY promising, statistically impossible to ignore. To put it in context:
A virus is said to be incurable (which is why anti-virals are so common and effective). First company to cure a virus was Gilead (which is currently in third stage trials with Remdesivir, confirmed by FDA Commissioner Hahn) when they cured Hep C. This is the second EVER possible cure for a virus.

This kind of news should be shouted from rooftops and ring across the world. Do we have any MORE proof? Well, yes, we do.

We heard the cocktail of Chloroquine + ZPack has also been tested in Aussie and China from various sources on-line and a US Congressman. So, we started looking for the actual sources and found the China study, but still looking for the Australian results (will update when we locate). Found another from Canada. The key is in the ability to shed the virus. https://twitter.com/MatthewEGunter/status/1240971280008073216

From China: Results are definitive.

“The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.”

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en

Booooommmmm! China is officially using Chloroquine as an effective treatment for COVID-19.

Abstract: The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.

https://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/32074550/full_citation

China study: The entire document, “study”, link can be found here: Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies Jianjun GaoZhenxue TianXu Yang https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_article 2020 Volume 14 Issue 1 Pages 72-73DOI https://doi.org/10.5582/bst.2020.01047Browse “Advance Publication” version. Here is the direct PDF to the China study: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en

From Canada:

Conclusion: Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

100% of virus gone in 6 days, sometimes 3 days.
Studied against a control group. The cocktail together works but small studies. Drugs are already being prescribed in USA. Data will be collected from those given to those who are currently sick.
Chloroquine is currently open and able to be prescribed right now, no restrictions, and Zpacks are readily available, according to Congressman Mark Green, former Army Flight Surgeon.

We know Hydroxychloroquine is a generic, “been on the market for over 50yrs, with a quality safety profile” according to Dr. Rigano and backed up by FDA Hahn above. AND………. we’re already using it.

There are 6 million tablets coming to the USA, from Teva in Israel
https://www.tevausa.com/news-and-media/press-releases/teva-to-donate-potential-covid-19-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-tablets-to-hospitals-nationwide-/

And another 3 million tablets from Bayer in Germany. “Resochin, made of chloroquine phosphate and an approved treatment for malaria, is being evaluated in China for its potential use against COVID-19, the disease caused by the fast-spreading coronavirus.” ” Bayer said the drug is currently not approved for use in the United States and the company is working with appropriate agencies on an emergency use authorization for its use in the United States.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bayer-idUSKBN21637E

Then, this announcement came in from Novartis and everyone took notice: 130 million doses!

So, what are we supposed to think?

When all else fails, use common sense. Notice the patterns and slice through the double-speak of medically-specific definitions. Here is a good explanation – 6 minutes.

We know Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are malaria drugs. With 3 million Chloroquine tablets coming to the USA from Germany, 6 million Hydroxychloroquine tablets coming from Israel, 130 million donated from Novartis for worldwide use, …. Does anyone really think we are expecting a malaria outbreak in the USA? And would the President of the USA request such an emergency shipment, work 24/7 to gather that much material across the globe, for a potential malaria outbreak, when people are dying from COVID-19?

No, of course not.

All actions indicate the President and his team are trying to stop Americans (and the rest of the world) from dying and pulling every trigger they can find, slashing bureaucratic red tape, to do so. They need to get the media out of the way or the media needs to communicate clearly with the public….. and we sure as heck need to get the bureaucrats up to speed.

Fauchi, from the podium on March 20th, tried to explain to the media, paraphrasing, “We’re trying to make these medications available to the American people, while collecting information for the protocols required/desired by FDA”….. which would be the results of Chloroquine+ZPacks…… given to American patients….. which is already happening. I believe the Univ of Michigan will assemble results of 1500 patients for further analysis, but do not have a hard source. Most of us understand what Fauchi is trying to do here, but the media ignored it, focusing on the argument between Peter Alexander and the President, which was, in context, centered on this very issue….. and the media carried the headline of a US President which did not care about the people into the weekend.

In fact, if this works, we could be going back to work fairly quickly. Dr. OZ, familiar to most Americans, was ecstatic by these studies on Friday, March 20th. By Saturday March 21st, 8:15am Eastern, FOX and Friends, Dr. Chris Martenson, toxicologist, also explained results in these small studies, “Most promising thing we’ve seen thus far” and “pretty dramatic results”. And Dr. Martenson clearly explained what the President, Dr. Fauchi, and FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn should have stated in a more clear way, “We’re going to be holding live trials”. In other words, we will closely monitor patients who receive these medications, but the USA is not waiting around.

It is as though the left would rather NOT have a “cure” or a “therapeutic” for the virus if Trump succeeds. The MSM media blue-check marks were furious and dismissive. The twitter mob was angry today about good news, and threw insults with ZERO knowledge about the study from France, Australia, or China. Sad.

Strange times.

There is our answer. The President of The United States has spoken.

321 thoughts on “20200321: Significant Breakthrough on China Virus.

    1. Walls I told my wife immediately after the 3 o’clock presser where Trump to announcement the potential cure, that IF the msm or the left attacked it, it WOULD reveal the TRUE narrative behind covid 19. It took less than five hours and there it was.

      One must simply ask themselves this question, WHY, if this was SUCH a global catastrophe, and so many people were going to all die, as their exponential projections they all love to tout say, WHY would they not WELCOME with OPEN arms a possible END to the catastrophe, ESPECIALLY a QUICK and SAFE end.

      The answer is SIMPLE, the want their weapon. If you watch the movie outbreak notice the similarity when Cuba Gooding Junior asked Dustin Hoffman why would they kill the town we have the cure Dustin Hoffman replies I know they want their weapon THAT is what the msm want, their WEAPON agains t Trump and ALL OF US..

      Now does it make sense? Absolutely it does this was an attack using a very real virus hyped by exponential potential the fear of the unknown and a 24 seven media frenzy that fell upon itself. Now it is too big for the media to fail they want their weapons they don’t care if people die or If the economy does. That should tell us all what we need to know and what we should know that this is a narrative designed to destroy the US they don’t care by death they don’t care by economic disaster they just want their weapon.

      The numbers on the disease as I have stated many many times before do not add up to the projection not even close especially the Dess we are now down to .01% and and DECREASING each day. yet they continue the hype and the fear Then when good news comes out with verified multiple studies from various other countries and the US what do they do deadpan it deny it attack it only one reason why this was all manufactured a manufactured crisis never let a good crisis go to waste… They want their weapon then when good news comes out with verified multiple studies from various other countries and the US what do they do deadpan it deny it attack it only one reason why this was all manufactured and manufactured crisis never let a good crisis go to waste… They want their weapon

      Trump was right this is a war but it is not a war against an unseen enemy of a virus it is a war against the left and the Dems that would propagate a virus for political and financial gain at the expense of world and US lives and heartbreak. I hope that those that did this and make no mistake they did do this pay the ultimate price no more footsie. Time to get tough

      It is my opinion that the Chinese and globalists coupled with our own Dems and media unleashed an attack, a multifaceted attack, of a real virus that really hurt people and hysteria from tthat, to destroy the economy which will hurt far more people, and cost way more lives than any virus.

      Anyone the perpetuated in this needs to skip jail and go directly to the business end of that 6 foot rope over a certain 8 foot drop.

      This is an everything else has been stopped and revealed by Trump he is beating them once again at their own game in my humble opinion he knows we have the cure and he knows what this was and now he’s going to put it into it probably as planned by Easter the rebirth of the country only God could’ve scripted that

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      1. There is a transcript posted of Rush Limbaugh’s broadcast(?) on the coronavirus at The Remnant Newspaper. …” it’s refreshing to see that someone as connected as Limbaugh also sees the need to interject some cautionary comments on the possible politicization of this now global crisis.”

        Here’s the link to the transcript of Limbaugh’s broadcast:
        https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/4813-rush-limbaugh-on-coronavirus-not-panicking-mad-as-hell

        Apologies if this is posted elsewhere on this site…

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      2. Very much agreed. And you don’t have to convince me that there needs to finally be some justice here.

        Freaking Bill Gates. ANY kind of scientific ethics post-bubonic plague would tell you not to build HIV’s lethality into something more contagious. You don’t FUND this shit, pretending to stop it. You just don’t fucking do it – you WARN people not to do it.

        What do they TEACH these creeps at Bilderberg?

        These people are all Frankenstein psychopaths. They need to be in PRISON at a minimum.

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        1. Remember the Rocefeller speech…agenda 69 or some such, THAT is what they teach them at Bilderberg. Want to REALLY be scared?

          Postulate this, what if Hillary had won in 2016? You think this was not planned for HER reign? Bet your wolf logo it was. Imagine what SHE would be taking from us, and it would just START with our guns and freedoms.

          This was meant, after Obama, to be THE nail in our coffin, the FINAL nail. They ALWAYS had this planned for NOW, they just have the WRONG President in place (by the grace of God).

          Trump WILL stop them, if it were Hillary, we would be looking at more than quarantine, we would be looking at DEATH panels, sequestration on a MASS scale, and DEATH.

          I keep going back to when Lynn de Rothschild went on the Q board near the VERY beginning and THREATENED us all with dying of thirst. Was THIS what she talked of?

          This was STILL too coordinated for my spidey senses, this was PLANNED, and for a LONG time. Trump is TAKING THEIR WEAPON FROM THEM.

          There were able to induce enough panic to crash the market, but that too will bounce back and even STRONGER (much like a virus, what does NOT kill you, makes you STRONGER)

          The benefits from this are NO MORE illegal immigration, NO more sucking of resources for illegals, and now the phrase HIRE American, and BUY American, will be in vogue AGAIN. Get ready to see those wonderful words again…Made in USA.

          This was their big gun, and it too FAILED. But we were CLOSE to toppling, we can NEVER forget, and NEVER let these fools play us again,

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    1. I’m going to repost what I said in yesterday’s thread from Daughn, and also it isn’t directed to WSB, it’s just my honest thoughts.

      Trump knows this. He’s on the ball.

      He’s an expert at knowing when to keep your enemies closer.

      We don’t know that Fauci is a black hat, so let’s be careful.

      Trump has allowed him space to do his job. The minute he doesn’t, Trump will take care of it.

      Complicated business folks.

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        1. Cold,
          ++
          After getting the heads up from Polly, who could miss the Brix shudder when POTUS returned fire
          in Peter Alexander exchange re: video @ top of Daughns post.. ??
          Alexanders melted face and Brix shudder = emotional bullseye shot from POTUS
          ..body language..

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      1. Honestly, I don’t think so. This is an area POTUS knows nothing about. He knows the economy and what this is doing to it. I was looking at his face when Fauci went to the mic and appeared to talk down this cure regimen. POTUS wasn’t happy at all.

        So we will see. From what I have read, the main side effect centers around the eye (which would disqualify me I suppose).

        You could be right. It seems to me POTUS gives everyone a chance to fully display their skills before he pulls the rug. Perhaps this is the case here.

        One thing is for sure, the guy is a leader. I don’t sense he is happy or sad, just resolute.

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        1. Uh, betting President Trump knows full well Fauci bares close watching. My not know about the hildabeast email. That is not important. He knows the type Fauci is. Hard core bureaucrat, set in his processes. Manageable. President Trump has the authority to bypass processes and direct action. All the while CDC and FDA fumble with their regulations.

          President Trump is goal oriented. Sees a solution and WILL get us there. Bureaucrats can come along or get squished.

          All indications to this fool is the sun is getting ready to set on ChiCom-19. And more sunny days for America soon.

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          1. I definitely agree that POTUS is goal and results oriented. I trust him more than anyone else so I hope you are right. NY has become a version of a police state.

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        2. I’ve seen ZERO evidence that this is an area that POTUS knows nothing about.

          He’s been ALL OVER reconstituting Domestic Vaccine Production for many, many months.
          [See E.O.s]

          He’s proven himself time and again to be FULLY CAPABLE of mastering technical problems and threats
          … and INNOVATING SOLUTIONS by pulling government and bureaucrats OUTSIDE THEIR BOXES.

          AGREE TOTALLY that POTUS gives everyone a chance … to TAKE THEIR GAME to NEW LEVELS.

          PREDICTION: President Trump’s using this ChiComVirus Crisis to

          (1) Multiply his Authorities to crush the Cabal and the Deep State

          (2) Solve Manifold Challenges, from Border Security, to Migration, to Illegals, to State Ownership (10th Amendment Enforcement), to Merit-Based Immigration, to Repatriating Manufacturing Industries, to thwarting ChiCom Infiltration via 5g and OBOR

          (3) Deliver the 2020 Tsunami Election Win that empowers TrumPublican Leaders to accelerate the USA’s Resurgence to TRUMP SPEED.

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          1. What I mean by that is he understands the macro part of this issue. He’s not a scientist. He’s a bullshit detecter especially when it comes to derailing his goal. I did mention that in one fell swoop he managed to make America First a legitimate policy across the spectrum.

            My point is that he tends to hang on to people that can’t achieve his goals a bit longer that I would have thought. Perhaps there are other reasons I don’t know.

            By his tweet this morning, it seems apparent he is going to move forward with this treatment regimen full steam ahead. So, in that sense, Fauci and Birx need to get onboard.

            Again I trust him more than anyone else. As he said in the PC, he is right a lot.

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    2. Just for context, when Cankles started “engaging” with the Arab Spring and Libya, I fell for it, and was pretty supportive and complimentary – largely because I was sick of Obama’s apparent “inaction” and “leading from behind” on everything. I figured – hey – she’s still Hillary – self-serving – but at least she’s trying to fix this stuff to make a name for herself. Glad she’s doing SOMETHING. Go get it!

      But then as the whole thing blew up, I realized – WHOA – this is not good – she had some other agenda. The allure rubbed off pretty fast. Big turning point for me in trusting ANYTHING those people were up to.

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    3. Yeah, I saw that last night and I was done with Fauchi.
      But then, I saw a close up of Fauchi, trying to stifle a laugh when Trump call the State Dept ti Deep State Dept.

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    4. Fauci may be a hrc-devotee and a DS puppet, but he is also dead-center in the spot light of a historical moment.

      He either does his job as capably as possible and reaps the historical glory, or

      He follows his DS masters and sabotages the process, but with POTUSVSG and the world watching closely, he’ll be replaced by someone who will grab the glory and he’ll go down as a failure.

      I’d bet on the glory grab. He enjoys the spotlight too much.

      He also doesn’t have a process or a Sham Investigation with corrupt lawfare dooshes (<my intentional mis-spell…it looks better!) to protect him. He is naked.

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    5. This is from the comments at the CTH post you shared, from a practitioner, possibly MD?

      Elizabeth Marshall says:
      March 21, 2020 at 11:52 am
      ncbi.nlm.gov/books/NBK71860\ clinicalrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT190539. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20043074. Homeopathic medicine works when the accurate medicine is prescribed .Its individualized
      You cannot apply the the allopathic model to Homeopathy. I wish our Great President would talk with Queen Elizabeth. She has defended our existence because she knows the history of this profound medicine Homeopathy
      I am in touch with homeopaths around the globe who are currently treating covid 19

      earlier she said this:

      Elizabeth Marshall says:
      March 21, 2020 at 11:13 am
      The pharmaceutical industry have been swamp rats for a long time. Most people aren’t aware of the impressive research done with alternatives
      This research gets buried because if these medicines achieved status it would wreck the big profits
      I treated a case of covid 19 this week with much success. He went to emergency health care and was given tylenol and told to self quarantine
      His father contacted me and I was able to prescribe based on his son’s symptoms
      His son is doing very well. He facetimed with his family and they are so relieved he is doing well. If this group is interested in the research by NIH and MD Anderson I will provide those links to the research that have been registered to our government

      This link shared by another CTH Treeper:

      https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/anthony_fauci_the_nihs_face_of_the_coronavirus_is_a_deepstate_hillary_clintonloving_stooge.html

      another intriguing CTH comment:

      335blues says:
      March 21, 2020 at 1:37 pm
      “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus…”
      ‘Virus interference’ is caused by something that interferes with our body defenses against a virus.
      It is a bad thing.
      Well, the DOD has produced a study which suggests that our yearly flu vaccination interferes
      with our ability to fight CORONAVIRUS. Are you serious?
      See the citation below.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599
      Vaccine. 2020 Jan 10;38(2):350-354. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005. Epub 2019 Oct 10.
      Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season.

      still another CTH commenter

      majorkalhoun says:
      March 21, 2020 at 2:20 pm
      The SARS virus, Coronavirus is SARS-2, could have been eradicated back in 2005. I would post links but I don’t think I am allowed to. It is a story that will eventually come out. The proof exists on the National Institute of Health website. Just search for “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” The government knew, and did nothing. The CDC could have had a cure ready to go.

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      majorkalhoun says:
      March 21, 2020 at 2:28 pm
      Oh heck, I’ll post it anyway. It’s important the truth gets out.

      Known Cure (since 2005):

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-development-now-3-international-studies-find-chloroquine-with-azithromycin-shows-100-success-rate-in-treating-coronavirus-in-6-days-video/

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bayer-idUSKBN21637E

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/french-peer-reviewed-study-our-treatment-cured-100-of-coronavirus-patients?ref=hvper.com

      History of the Cure:

      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext

      Apparently I’m still under the radar over there…not important enough to ban!

      Valerie Curren says:
      March 21, 2020 at 5:25 pm
      I’m sharing your links at another Treeper blog…Blessings!

      from a later comment by BogeyFree:

      Anyway for those that like to read clinical trial specs and details here you go.

      The fun part will be this trial shows an end date of May 2021 but if they see early results I can just see the tweet battle between Fauci and PT and we know who will win that battle. It will be priceless.

      https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04308668?cond=COVID19&cntry=US&draw=2&rank=12

      Well, I hope this all posts with all these links. Blessings to All Q-Treepers!

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    1. A Feb 26 press release from the Gilead Sciences website (the folks that created it):

      “Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced the initiation of two Phase 3 clinical studies to evaluate the safety and efficacy of remdesivir in adults diagnosed with COVID-19 (novel coronavirus). These randomized, open-label, multicenter studies will enroll approximately 1,000 patients at medical centers primarily across Asian countries, as well as other countries globally with high numbers of diagnosed cases, beginning in March. The studies will assess two dosing durations of remdesivir, administered intravenously. The initiation of these studies follows the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rapid review and acceptance of Gilead’s investigational new drug (IND) filing for remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.”

      https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

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  1. This country has a whole lot of enforcement bureaucracies when we should — at a maximum — have certification.

    Everyone should be able to cut or braid hair — people should want to be certified beauticians to be able to advertise this.

    For those of us of a certain age, we remember seeing a little sticker on the back of a toaster saying that Underwriters’ Laboratories had examined it and it met their standards — the chassis was grounded, the plug was polarized, there was a fuse that didn’t allow 15A of 110V to go through anyone messing with the unit…..somebody else could sell a toaster that didn’t have the sticker, but you assumed some risk in buying one. And, BTW, if the toaster without a sticker fried someone, they’d probably be cleaned-out and closed by the product liability lawsuit.

    That the FDA can stand athwart a pandemic response and shout, “STOP!” is an out-and-out abomination. People will die because they are bureaucrats. And they’re insisting on being bureaucrats even now.

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    1. And, BTW, if they merely provided a sticker on a box of drugs to show it had been inspected and tested….why would they have to be Federal? Why would they even have to be State? If their inspection and testing were worth more than a bucket of warm p**s, drug manufacturers would be clamoring to have the inspecting done ON THEIR OWN NICKEL. There might be two different agencies — one that certifies the drug is safe, and the other that tests its effectiveness. Why allow it to be at the whim of Congress, who can obviously be bought off by the Chinese?

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    1. Fauci and Birx are big ‘vaccine’ people – and not therapeutics people.

      BTW – Birx was not at the press briefing today.

      CDC hasn’t been there all week.

      How come?

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      1. Well that link didn’t work…
        Try this…

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  2. Just as another thought — this thing was obviously destined to circulate around the OBOR. Italy is a nexus — but so is Kenya, and the sanitation in Italy is better. Why didn’t this thing start a monstrous surge across Africa?

    Well, the fact that so many people are on prophylactic quinine derivatives against malaria might have something to do with it……

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    1. Well I think it ihas to do more:
      1. with hotter climates – The least prevalent cases are in the Tropical and Sub-tropical regions of the World – this includes India, which up to yesterday or the day before, only had 340 cases in a population of 1.2billion
      2. with the prevalence of many tropical infectious diseases effecting people, who live in these regions, resulting in a high rate of natural immunity.
      Anti-malaria drugs are administered a lot, but a large group never or very occasionally use it, firstly because the medical infrastructure is often very poor and secondly many regions, especially sub-tropical regions, very rarely are effected by malaria.

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  3. Great post, Daughn. The FDA guy pissed me off on Thursday with his “we need to determine right drug(s) with right dosage given at the right time,” That is pure BS!!! Other countries are already using it and there are already known prolphylactic dosages for malaria as well as the dosages in treatments they are using in other countries.

    Time is of the essence. Just start with the minimum known dosage and go from there! See what works. It is proven safe (with side effects), so just try different doses – I’m sure there are plenty of willing patients to be guinea pigs.

    The FDA is mischaracterizing their testing requirements. Once a drug has successfully been through Phase 1 trials (the safety trial) and a Phase Two trial (efficacy for a specific treatment), it is NOT required to go through additional Phase Two trials to be used for what are known as off-label treatments. That is bureaucratic horse-pucky.

    I know this because there is a drug called Avastin, which was approved (both phases) as a treatment for prostate cancer. Some researchers/doctors discovered that it can also be used effectively (in some patients) to treat macular degeneration. The use pertaining to Mac Degeneration has never been through a Phase Two efficacy
    trial; it is merely deemed an off-label use of the drug, not officially approved by the FDA., but wholeheartedly recommended by retina specialists.

    I have several other examples besides that one of medicines I take that are off-label for the purpose I use them, but they work.

    That is exactly what the hydrochloroquine (sp) would be for treatment of China Virus – it would be considered an off-label treatment not requiring the blessing of the FDA. The doctors, researchers & insurance companies would make the decisions about dosage, use, etc.

    I hope Trump and his trusted team (not FDA or CDC) will demand this be put into practice as soon as possible. They can start at one hospital and chart effectiveness or even several hospitals in different locations. We are NOT starting from scratch, and this really should be ready to roll out with little delay, and heavy input from proper experts.

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        1. So did I!

          We see off-label use all the time by vets. There are very, very, very few drugs approved for use on goats so you use the drugs approved for sheep or cattle or for humans. When you get into exotics it is even worse. Turtles, fish, snakes, deer…

          All that A$$ at the FDA did was showcase EXACTLY how nasty the un-elected bureaucrats truly are.

          In blunt terms, he rather thousands of Americans die than to give up an inch of his authority even when he is FLAT OUT WRONG. Too bad the brain dead lefty sheeple can not learn from this example of bureaucratic totalitarianism.

          Bureaucrats do not give a Schiff WHAT the laws and regulations say if they can use their authority to put a boot on your neck. Most are petty little hitlers.

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            1. Here’s how I see the exchange between the President and agency pros.
              “We have a drug therapy that is saving lives today…”
              “But this is an off label use…and WE’RE professionals.”
              Figure out a protocol. I’ll give you 5 days while we build up a supply of doses.
              If you don’t do this promptly, I will make it plain to the media that my
              recommendation is being ignored while our beloved fellow Americans are
              suffering and dying…”

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              1. The Reagan model. take it DIRECTLY to the people via National address. No wonder the left are now calling for Trump to be taken OFF the air waves, AND having a counter covid 19 briefing by Biden (adviser).

                This SHOULD tell EVERYONE just what is going on here. One, Trump has been compassionate, expedient AND EFFECTIVE in battling this crisis he did NOT lead from behind, he grabbed the reigns and LEAD.

                Two, the dems care more about politics and attacking the messenger (Trump) than they do the DISEASE, which is supposed to be one of the WORST ever. During 911, everyone came together, even the left, this…no where NEAR.

                Three, and this SHOULD correlated with the other two, IF this disease is really a world pandemic, WHY are the left downplaying the potential treatment, ATTAKING and spreading FEAR of it’s usage, attacking the message and the messenger, playing political games with relief bills, butting together a COUNTER briefing (IE propaganda COUNTER to the info the President is putting out), and continue spreading FEAR,PROPAGANDA, and Hysteria?

                Why do the msm have an OBVIOUS lack of constructive criticism over the VIRUS projections, but have an overblown criticism of Trump, the potential cure, and the response?

                Answer that means the dems are MORE concerned with defeating Trump than they are this virus. That means that this virus, as I have called it IS THEIR WEAPON, they WANT their weapon, and they will DEFEND their weapon. The virus AS a weapon ,is NO WHERE near the hype nor the hysteria, it is merely THE weapon against trump and US.

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    1. Believe it or not Viagra is being sold for a purpose it was never meant to solve. Pfizer figured it was more profitable if sold for the purpose it is now which is actually a side effect. IIRC, it was developed as a transplant anti-rejection drug, but don’t quote me on that. I’ll look it up latee.

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      1. Viagra was originally developed as a hypertension med, BP med, but had interesting side effects. The men in the initial study did not want to discontinue use 😉

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  4. So far as I am concerned, both the FDA and CDC should be burnt to the ground and the earth salted — and every worthless pseudo-scientist socialist employed at either exiled from national government and possibly the nation.

    Fauci’s trying to tightrope this, but the NIH isn’t far behind.

    They’re not in Article I, Section 8 — why are they suckling at the teat of government?

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    1. I’ve been meaning to do a transcript of this interview. Too important to let it go down the memory hole. But I’m not really a good typist. Mikovitz worked in the belly of the beast and fully agrees with you.

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      1. AFAIK, there’s no one-click solution, but in the Linux world that’s just the first step. There are numerous youtube downloaders, there are numerous audio-from-video strippers, and there are numerous speech-recognition pieces. It is up to you to assemble a toolpath that satisfies you.

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      2. I have system A — SSD, and system B — spinning rust. I’ve been running system B since 2015, and there’s nothing really wrong with it. Currently, system A doesn’t boot — but there’s never been anything personal on it. There is nothing to be seriously concerned about, merely amused.

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  5. Here is a Wolf Moon quote. You can quote me on this.

    “Anecdote is how science is done. It’s how science STARTS. It’s the beginning of every hypothesis – every fresh face brought into the research group – every PITCH for research money. Anecdote is not the fool’s gold of science – it’s the PAY DIRT. It’s the NUGGET in the PAN.”

    Second point.

    “Anecdote is how soldiers survive – how battles are fought – how wars are won. Everything breaks down in WAR, and anecdote is how the FIX is found and SPREAD. Show me anecdote that survives even ONE repetition, and you are on the way to REAL SCIENCE, because that IS science. REPRODUCIBILITY.

    “A single anecdote reproduced in the hospital is worth more than all the millions of dollars that CDC spends on research.”

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      1. In my experience, anecdotes that can’t be repeated don’t indicate wrongness – they indicate greater complexity that is not yet understood. I study this stuff in a very unlikely place, and I have learned to trust people’s observations. Even when their inferred causalities appear wrong from my point of view, things are not explained properly until I can explain why the inferred causalities looked correct to them.

        In other words, if I can’t explain why somebody else’s “wrongness is right”, I haven’t really explained it.

        I have to explain WHY it looked to THEM like something was true. And it has to be a believable, compelling explanation.

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        1. Even if my memory is sketchy and I don’t remember everything I was doing and how it all worked together, my internal hunch is a very important part of the puzzle. When I come alongside someone to help them work out a mystery in their lives, they nearly always already know where they need to go. They just haven’t figured out the details of how to get there.

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        2. Wolfie,
          I was considered a top notch troubleshooter. However all I did was go out on the plant floor and listen to the guys on the lines. They may not have the scientific background, they may not have the right words but they KNOW their lines and they are keen observers. All I did was take their observations and add the scientific background to it. But it ALWAYS started with the observations of the guys on the floor.

          Often their theories were incorrect but their OBSERVATIONS were spot on.

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      1. Oh, yes – I saw this two days ago and have been trying DESPERATELY for it to get traction on Twitter. The fact that it took TWO DAYS to get to Andy Ngo shows how EFFECTIVE Jackboot and the ChiComs are at keeping this stuff squelched.

        Now combine this with LYING to THEIR MARXIST head of WHO about communicability, and he then parroted the lie on January 14, that the virus wasn’t human-human transmissible, and it is very clear to me that they were not just covering up, but BUYING TIME FOR A VIRAL ASSAULT.

        ChiCom-19 simply isn’t contagious ENOUGH, so they had to keep buying it time, like (COUGH) Schiff and Pelosi D R A G G I N G out impeachment.

        The ChiComs were LYING to their own people. That’s HOW this stuff works – every layer is lying down to the next. They WANTED IT TO LOOK REAL. They wanted BAT SOUP to look real. But they had to buy it time, so they started targeted attacks on individuals (through contacts, most likely) in (I’m guessing) summer of 2019, to make sure it was going around America, before they launched the cruise boat and bat soup operations.

        But then their own people kept finding it too EARLY, so they had to squelch the EARLY discovery.

        They’re not stupid. They’re EVIL.

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        1. “They’re not stupid. They’re EVIL.”
          ________

          Exactly so.

          I refuse to call them ‘smart’, though.

          The ChiComs are diabolically cunning and devious.

          Their mastery of their insidious treachery doesn’t deserve to be called ‘smart’, IMO.

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    1. Amen wolf, as I have started here recently, I worked nearly 35 years for a MAJOR research university in my state, one with multiple level one trauma centers, and one that has developed SEVERAL major drugs that are now MAJOR PLAYERS in the cure of a specific disease, and one that is THE major force in its field, saving lives DAILY .

      They also were pioneers in SEVERAL major transplant procedures.

      They had their studies completed, and their clinical trials, WELL in advance to release. The hold up? Bureaucrats at the FDA, NIH, and CDC. REDTAPE. Now is no time for red tape now is the time for action while everything should be tested and tested thoroughly if this is truly the pandemic as worse as the Spanish flu as they play it to be time is the one thing we don’t have wow they try and be trying to stall now?

      After all we had to go on severe draconian lockdown because we were out of time get the points they want their weapon

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      1. When Dr. Rogano talked about the President slashing red tape at the FDA more than any other President in history……… Rogano was almost excited. And we all knew…….. yeah, that’s our guy, Trump.

        Big T was the lead lawyer on the biggest civil case since the tobacco case (at that time – since then, a few are bigger), we spent 6 yrs with the FDA on an AIDS drug, horrible mismanagement.
        Don’t get me started on the FDA. That said….

        I was working in China, trying to get NSF stamps for countertops. OMG, Chinese testing sucks!!!!!!!!
        They lie!

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        1. Fauci is good at keeping a straight face while pushing the narrative his puppet masters want. In other words he’s a lying front man for a mob. He KNEW there was a published study.

          Also, the other Dr. that says Fauci is her mentor did a very strange move when John Roberts asked about CQ. She turned her head down and away. In NLP that would be an attempt to signal to speaker that their thought is not welcome, even shameful. It’s a way of cutting off unwanted lines of questioning.

          These two REALY do NOT want Americans to get FAST treatments that work.

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        2. We know someone who worked in China for years. He said that they would totally lie about the specs, like the specific metal/elemental content of an item. They would ship stuff to Australia & it would be found to be defective. The Aussies would find the material to be inadequate & would report to the Chinese who would then slightly change up (maybe) the content but Claim to meet all requirements & continue to ship defective materials. Sometimes, apparently, the Chinese would execute the person in charge of the operation who’d been caught in a lie, but they wouldn’t necessarily punish the lie, just the getting caught, or at least that’s the way I’ve made sense of what I heard a few years back about these practices.

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  6. From:
    https://wearethene.ws/notable/90971

    German Physician, Wolfgang Wodarg, Comments On How the Coronavirus is Being Over-Hyped and Misunderstood

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    German Physician Comments On How the Coronavirus is Being Over-Hyped and Misunderstood

    Source: https://www.wakingtimes.com/2020/03/20/german-physician-comments-on-how-the-coronavirus-is-being-over-hyped-and-misunderstood/

    r. Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician who appeared in an interview on Oval Media last week to talk about the coronavirus. The clip was part of an ongoing documentary about the coronavirus and its broader implications in media and society.

    Wodarg has a distinguished past. He has been in German politics since 1988, and in medicine since 1973, but lately he has been vocal in his view that panic around the Covid-19 Coronavirus has been overblown and exploited by individuals seeking power.

    As he explains in the interview, Covid-19 is but one strain of coronavirus which account for roughly 10% of respiratory virus cases each year.

    “Every new year – worldwide – we have new types of viruses because the viruses have to change themselves.”

    This is the same reason we are pressured to get a new flu shot every year. The flu virus, which is one of about 100 viruses affecting the public each year, is always changing, making it a moving target for medical doctors.

    One of Dr. Wodarg’s fears is that the original test for Covid-19 was developed too hastily. As panic quickly arose, the first protocol was sent out across the world as the standard. “Usually, as a test is considered a product of medicine, it has to be validated,” Wolfgang explains. “That means it has to be checked very precisely.”

    And what if a person is dying of something else, but also has the coronavirus? In his view, this rushed testing method combined with hysteria and a lack of context surrounding Covid-19 cases has created a perfect storm for scientists to take advantage of goodhearted yet ignorant politicians and bureaucrats.

    Unfortunately, government support of scientific institutions creates a situation where scientists are continuously trying to impress government officials and tout their abilities and need for funds, as many scientists argue.

    “And like this, politicians are being courted by many scientists. Scientists who want to be important in politics because they need money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in this mainstream and also want their part…And what is missing at the moment is a rational way of looking at things.” – Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg

    We all know that the media hypes up every virus and that people do not think clearly when in a panic. Although nobody knows for sure the extent to which the coronavirus will harm us in the long run, it is certainly wise to be prepared and limit contact with others at this stage, while also being mindful of the long term implications that such radical government reactions can have on our future world.

    play time approx 10 minutes

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  7. The funny thing is that the Coronavirus isn’t that big of a deal — and was overhyped to try to discredit VSGPOTUSDJT — who charged into the ambush and is about to curbstomp this virus into oblivion and thoroughly discredit the bureaucrat #Resistance in the process.

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      1. And that is why, of course, people like Mad Maddow and others are now clambering to get him off the air. Of course, he could easily go into the national emergency mode, but I think they are too ignorant to know that.
        I laugh when I see the ever so intelligent Cher jump in and call him a murderer….and, now Chelsea Clinton is obviously getting a little panicked about her parents’ exposure and, right in cue, comes out with her inane tweets.
        Panic in River City, folks.

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    1. Exactly somebody gets it as I told Wolf they want their weapon Trump is busy taking their toy away from them, and they are now acting like a toddler that had their toy taken what does it tell you about the leathality and the hype over this virus totally media driven I said it before the virus is real, The hysteria is 100% manufactured

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  8. pH is important … other mechanisms ???
    https://wearethene.ws/notable/90991

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=pubmed+%22endosomal+ph%22&ei=ol11XqX4Aa6xrgTM1KPABA&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwil0ebfparoAhWumIsKHUzqCEgQ8NMDegQIDRA6&biw=1366&bih=654

    that’s a link to a google search. Pubmed and “endosomal pH”

    hydroxychloroquine and the other quinine drugs work in part by raising the endosomal pH. This C19 requires a low endosomal pH and I’d guess that there are other viruses that also require a low, acid, pH.

    We’ve been taking, also, about baking soda, how that’s also antiviral, and raises blood pH.

    I’m looking at those links, there are a lot of them, and maybe someone else would want to look at them, find something that I don’t find.

    Add quinine to that search you get

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9080598

    Efficacy of certain quinolines as pharmacological antagonists in botulinum neurotoxin poisoning.

    “Although the mechanism of protection by these antimalarial agents is probably through the raising of endosomal pH, the possibility that some of these drugs could also act by inhibiting toxin-induced channel formation cannot be ruled out.”

    It would be great to find other things in pubmed that raise the endosomal pH. I would guess that things that raise the endosomal pH would cure this C19.

    . . . . . . .

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    >>8495156

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4204995/

    Inhibition of Influenza Virus Replication by Targeting Broad Host Cell Pathways

    Furthermore, even though quinine had a higher EC50 than mefloquine, it was able to completely abrogate PR8 replication at a higher concentration, which was not the case for mefloquine. In general, compared to chloroquine, amodiaquine and quinacrine showed similar antiviral activities against influenza viruses. Interestingly amodiaquine was the most active against X-31, chloroquine was the most potent against PR8 whereas amodiaquine and quinacrine were more effective against the A(H1N1)pdm09 virus. Overall, among the new compounds tested, we demonstrated that amodiaquine is the most potent, followed by quinacrine, mefloquine, quinine, quinidine, and primaquine.

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  9. Here is a possible partial explanation for the synergistic effect of azithromycin. It is based on my experiences post-ChiCom-19, and became apparent to me today by the SARS (respiratory) shortness of breath symptom.

    Note that this is “anecdotal”, as they say.

    This symptom seemed to slowly go away after I “recovered” in early February, having contracted “coronavirus X” in mid-January, with a 5 day incubation period until symptomatic. The shortness of breath lingered after recovery (clinically determined), but it lessened quite a bit. I was, about a week ago, thinking it was almost GONE. I was even so joyous as to start questioning whether I had any residual effects – whether I might have even recovered completely. It made me think that maybe I never even had “it”. Yeah, the mind plays tricks.

    I had been pretty well quarantined lately. I would get up in the morning with 100% clear sinuses – no sniffles – nothing – because my wife and I were basically on 100% lockdown. No stores, not public except dog walking – very strong social distancing. It’s very weird when viruses are GONE from one’s respiratory life. It felt GREAT.

    But then I went to the store a couple of times. Got gas without gloves. Did some things, maybe a couple of days ago. I had a sniffle. A brief soreness in my throat that disappeared. Very likely just another rhinovirus, which I typically kick in HOURS, as I did this time.

    The thing is, this kicked up some mucus and sinus drainage, some of which settled in my lungs.

    SHORTNESS OF BREATH CAME BACK. Enough to be noticeable. So, in essence, ChiCom-19, now gone, was interacting with another organism.

    That was when I thought about what azithromycin might be doing.

    I suspect that ChiCom-19 itself is synergistic with other organisms – that their different kinds of infection and sputum support each other. This explains why pathologists have stated that the damage of ChiCom-19 resembles the damage of both coronaviruses AND HIV. The functional hydridization of the spike proteins of the coronavirus has added not only HIV-like molecular mechanisms of cell entry, but likewise HIV-like molecular damage, appearing at a larger scale in HIV-like physical properties of the infection – including the ability to environmentally synergize with other agents. ChiCom-19 now has the immunocompromising and “multitude of infections” properties of HIV.

    Thus, ANY kind of broad-spectrum killers or combinations of killers which work against OTHER AGENTS will synergize with whatever works against ChiCom-19 itself. Indeed, it may be that this is starting to explain everything – including why anti-HIV agents works so well against ChiCom-19.

    STERILIZE THE LUNG – all species, viral and otherwise – so they can’t help each other.

    So back to my case. What I have is DAMAGE that can now become significant due to sputum from other organisms, bringing back the SARS issue. ChiCom-19 has fled the scene, but its damage still “synergizes” with other organisms, later in time.

    Beautiful, yet ugly.

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    1. Have you tried using an inhaler for that shortness-of-breath?

      Sounds like you may have been left with a touch of bronchitis, after your bouts with these viruses.
      An inhaler can open up those swelled passages in your lungs and give you instant relief from that shortness-of-breath sensation.

      After I had a bout of pneumonia…it left me with occasional bronchitis.
      And also an allergy to mold spores, which triggers the bronchitis.

      If you don’t keep those breathing passages open and clear of mucus, you can develop a lung infection.
      So…I hope you’ll try using an inhaler.

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      1. The weirdness of this stuff is that my sinuses, my breathing, and my lungs feel GREAT – I mean CLEAR like you would not believe. Absolutely no obstruction. I feel nothing like “clogged up”. I feel the OPPOSITE – like some commercial for fresh air, breathe it in, blah blah blah.

        And yet I’m short of breath. It feels EXACTLY like high altitude in the mountains. It feels like I’m at 7000 feet in the Rockies.

        Hope to get some professional advice soon. I think an inhaler may be exactly what I need. Top question on my list!

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        1. I second Wheatie’s suggestion. I usually get serious bronchitis every winter, and got a prescribed inhaler to relieve the air passages (soreness with so much coughing, in my case) so I started preparing early this year. I still had another refill for the inhaler so went ahead and renewed it…thinking it might be tough to get in for an appointment later.
          Fortunately, so far I’ve avoided the bronchitis but I have a chronic deep cough apparently from allergies and/or drainage. So, I have the inhaler on my night stand and it certainly does provide relief.
          And, if any of you have a CVS with a Minute Clinic within it…it’s a great way to bypass trying to get a doctor appointment. They are staffed with Nurse Practitioners and can do basic assessments, write prescriptions, and order tests. Your insurance pays for it. You can go online to schedule an appointment and most of the time can get in the same day without any difficulties. Not sure how the current virus situation is effecting it.

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      1. I’m finding that getting over what I’ve had for the last 17 days, nasal irrigation, 4x a day or more, is what is making the difference. I think what is coming out of my lungs is actually drainage from the head. Get rid of the head snot, and VIOLA! coughing lessens.

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        1. You’re on right track, DPat. Your experience and cleansing method is exactly what finally cures us when ill. The drainage starts with sinuses. Cleanse those to keep it from draining into lungs, where it becomes the ugly expectorant.

          That is why we also use daily nasal squirts (saline solution) even when we aren’t sick. Especially pollen season and winter indoor allergies.

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  10. Found the study from China and updated.
    Look:
    “The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.”

    BOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No wonder the media is so mad.

    That’s it.
    Crisis is over.
    Everyone back to work.

    OMG, now that we’ve done the deep dive, now that we understand we can treat this easily…….. I’m not worried at all.
    Just read the info.
    And the Trump Admin already has 139 million doses on order.
    Yeah baby, we’re moving in TRUMP TIME.

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  11. Of course, BLOOMBERG immediately came out with this on Chloroquine: (bold mine)

    “(Bloomberg) — The drug touted by the U.S. President Donald Trump as a possible line of treatment against the coronavirus comes with severe warnings in China and can kill in dosages as little as two grams.

    China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December, recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials. But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back its usage.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/Health/healthtrending/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-in-just-two-grams/ar-BB11rIHa?ocid=st2

    Of course, that may be Chinese chloroquine – and Chinese drugs and other products are known to be unreliable, toxic and dangerous.

    Spit!!!

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    1. From China:
      “The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.”
      https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en

      600 milligrams is dosage from French study ——— 2,000 milligrams? Yeah, that’s why overdosing kills people.

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      1. Exactly! And aren’t these (Chinese) people the same ones who effectively said Melamine byproducts/powder are perfectly good in baby formula??? I wouldn’t trust them even if whatever they said was (by chance) true…

        2 GRAMS !!!!! ?????????

        That’s a HE!! of a lot of ANY medication, let alone the anti-Malarial. I’ve been following medications and dosages ever since my son’s first WPW episode and following issues, and normal dosages for most meds is in the 10s to perhaps (max) hundreds of milligrams. Bisoprolol, Enalapril, etc. – 2.5 to 20 MG, as in one ONE-HUNDREDTH of TWO GRAMS…

        The YSM/MCM have as little grasp of medical magnitudes as they do of Gore-Bull “warming”.

        That is to say, NONE.

        I’m more worried about the Azith, but for most people it won’t be a problem. Just that some people with only 5-20% residual hearing should be careful (as with everything – there’s always some sort of tradeoff)…

        And so Bloomie is trusting the ChiComs more than the US experts… wonder how much money is changing hands there… or who now owns the Bloomberg publications…

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        1. As an example, my son takes 1.25 mg of Bisoprolol per day, and 5 mg (2x 2.5 mg) per day of Enalapril (similar to Captopril).

          2 grams of Biso would be 1600 times his daily dosage, and 2 grams of Enalapril would be 400 times his daily dosage.

          Other heart, BP, etc. meds are dosed in the same range.

          These folks HAVE NO CLUE!!!!!

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          1. I must beg to differ. Each drug has its own dosage range. Trying to compare one to another is comparing apples and cauliflower. They have NO relationship. In the case of chloroquine 2 grams would be only 4 tablets! See below.

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      1. Yep. See my comment above…

        The only things effectively dosed in grams are the horse-pill-sized Mega-Vitamin C tablets, and IIRC, they only were up to 1 gram, i.e. 1000 mg.

        Something else the presstitutes don’t understand: the metric system, conversion to American/English standards, and Orders of Magnitude… Then again, they probably failed the “food-service-industry” entrance exam(s)…

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        1. It is WILLFUL IGNORANCE. Negligence, NOT sloppiness. WHY attack the potential CURE? A combination of drugs that have been in the market, and known, and relatively harmless for DECADES? Answer, they WANT their WEAPON.

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    2. I think I need to clarify things a little. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are NOT the same drug. The chemical structure is very similar–a hydroxy group was added to chloroquine to make hydroxychloroquine. The dosing is also different for both drugs. Chloroquine phosphate comes in 500 mg (=0.5 grams) tablets while hydroxychloroquine comes in 200 mg tablets so it is important to not confuse the two drugs.

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      1. Thanks, BB ! And isn’t the consensus that the hybroxychloroquine is more effective than the chloroquine for COVID-19?

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    1. We would all make one helluva Kitchen Cabinet. Gotta admit though, President seems to be rocking.

      And let’s all understand the picture here.
      China announced they are approving this course of treatment for their 1.4 billion people. France is using it, Belgium, Germany (I think), the Aussies (although I can’t track that one yet), and I’ve seen three reports of us using it in the NY area.

      We’re doing a LIVE trial. Has that ever been done before?
      We have a President who bulldozed the red tape at FDA, like no one else in history, according to Dr. Rogano.
      Dr. Blix, the female spox, said, “we’ll now more in 5-7 days” — well, if the timeline for the treatment is 3-6 days, there is your answer.
      Starting to all make sense now.

      The media will be crushed if Trump solves the global pandemic.
      And he’s already procured 139 million doses to be used and shared globally — which Trump Admin would NEVER have done on a whim.
      “Trump saves the world”

      And the market will soar, and he will be re-elected.

      Trump wins, God wins, we all win.
      At this point, aren’t we all even MORE suspicious about this outbreak?

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        1. I think the numbers will support that decision in a couple of weeks. Cuomo still has a numbers problem vs. the disease and the media – admittedly of his own side’s making – but he HAS to overreact. If even 5% of the ICU cases NYC will get slip past the drug, he needs those damn ventilators or the ChiCom-Symp media will stir to a frenzy over deaths, and it nails HIM.

          Governors are all overreacting b/c POTUS said “do more”!!!

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      1. Add in another front on the battle of Trump against fill-in-the-blank.

        This medication is CHEAP. Big Pharma NOT happy.

        It’s beginning to look more and more like Trump is going to clean out media, Big Pharma, and Big Govt (CDC, FDA, etc) all in one fell swoop.

        It’s truly jaw dropping to watch him take the poo thrown at him, deflect it and swing it right back at them.

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  12. Well I guess POTUS is not going to let anyone stop this treatment from being used. CDC and WHO be damned

    He just threw down the hammer.

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  13. Daughn, going to offer something from 40,000 feet for consideration:

    This whole exercise might be President Trump’s way of neutering the pharmaceuticals and their FDA and CDC all at the same time. It’s sad that people are dying in the process, but this bioweapon, I believe, has been turned to boom-a-rang on the Pharmaceutical companies.

    Hear me out.

    I’m seeing here from the BUREAUCRATS the same sort of thing that happens every time a study from overseas surfaces that indicates prolonged and tight bra wearing causes breast cancer. They don’t analyze the studies, and ask questions on the self-reporting that happens because those specific studies are not drug trials. They SHOUT THEM DOWN.

    NO! IT ISN’T POSSIBLE! AND THAT’S THE END OF IT!

    And that’s despite multiple studies overseas – just like the malaria drugs papers and studies that are coming out of developed nations right now – that show the EXACT same results a 30-year old anthropological study of tens of thousands of women. Yes, wearing a bra more than 12 hours a day SIGNIFICANTLY compresses the flow of lymph and increases risk of developing some forms of the disease. BUT – and this is a big thing – if women knew that, and could take control of their health with just one simple act, it would cost the pharmas a fortune.

    We’re dealing with the same sort of smokescreen cover-up.

    Leaving aside the breast cancer thing (for now, because this is a BIG LIE the FDA, CDC and the AMA are complicit in maintaining), notice how Fauci, Hahn, and Dr. B with the fabulous pashmina collection try to sidestep everything. They don’t want to have to admit that if we just accepted results from other parts of the world, we’ll solve the problem in no time.

    Frankly, they don’t want to do the studies on the fly and have a cheap solution. They want to drag this out as long as possible.

    They want to bury the simple solution just like was done with Multiple Sclerosis and the Italian surgeon who discovered that all MS patients have the exact same group of clogged veins in the brain. He cleaned out the clogs, and the brain lesions disappeared. He was reporting a 90-100% success rate at reversing the disease depending on how far advanced it was, and NO ONE, not one physician in the US, would even attempt to replicate his reported results.

    Why?

    It will cost the pharmaceutical makers a fortune.

    And if there is a simple cure, why would we need a vaccine?

    Same thing is happening here with the messaging and the president is turning it on its head with his swift and calculated actions.

    And as a bonus, VSGPOTUSDJT is exposing their FDA for the farce it is for anyone who cares to look and pay attention. There’s still a lot of brand loyalty and trust built into the FDA and the CDC. If THAT can be destroyed with this fiasco, it will be a triumph.

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      1. He says things like that when he needs a ‘reluctant’ participant to do what needs to be done 😄 I remember similar quotes to get a Senator or Congressman to work with him. Strokes before Sticks ☺️

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    1. DEP, YES!!!!!!!!
      (just took off my bra and yes, Dr. B has an exquisite wardrobe)
      Furthering your excellent observation…….

      1. I noted on one of the replies about “shedding the virus” and the ability of HydroxyCQ and ZPack cost to pharma is about $15 each patient —- which made pharma sad.

      2. We ALL know CDC is the screw up on “testing” and organization, not built to handle a big surge, and stacked with bureaucrats. Hence, Dr Nancy Messonnier, Rosey’s sister. Can you imagine the look on Potus’ face when he heard the news? OMH

      3. Another sidenote about the FDA from yesterday. It was a comment from a casual observer, paraphrasing, “Damn, President Trump has the FDA working on Trump time”.

      4. All the talk about rebuilding a system to handle massive testing, the 3 weeks of failure of the CDC, bringing in Pence to oversee the Task Force. It as a major shift.

      5. And most of all, the last block Trump put into place, putting FEMA in charge of the response, bolsters DEP’s observance of the Trump Admin doing an end run around the CDC and FDA to get results much faster.

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              1. Yes. Those are considered to be worse. The theory that no one will test is that the band blocks the flow of lymph and the drainage that happens under the arms. It makes sense when you think about it.

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              2. Thank you. I had thought it was the pushing up that the bra did that was the problem. I guess free floating is the only way to go 🙂

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  14. Duchess put this on the open thread, but in the context of this post and a number of comments, I think it belongs here.

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      1. All I could think was THERE’S A CURE FOR THE COMMON COLD?!

        All the down time I’ve had over the years wasn’t necessary?

        Residual ear and sinus infections can be avoided alone with anti-biotics?

        And this has been kept from the people?

        May the sunlight shine on this little bombshell.

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  15. Many thank yous to Daughn and everyone else for all the info here. I will be forwarding links to various folks.

    I’m hopeful everything will go back to normal in a reasonable amount of so the doctors can go back to treating people that are currently put on hold for procedures that are currently deemed “un-necessary”, i.e., not life threatening.

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  16. Reminder:

    694

    Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: ee33a6 No.300473
    Feb 7 2018 22:06:12 (EST)
    What if cures already exist?
    What about the billions (public/private/govt) provided to fund cure dev?
    Sheep.
    These people are sick!
    Q

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    1. I honestly am constantly amazed at all the things out there that are just cons. I remember POTUS giving a speech 20 years ago and saying nothing is what you think it is. Boy, was he right!!

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        1. He sure has. I also think wealthy people get lots more “pitches” thrown at them for how to make money that are scams so his b.s. metre is very highly tuned.

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  17. Evidence Over Hysteria ~ COVID 19

    rational , data-driven assessment…one of the best such explanations I’ve come across, so far..

    article link…

    View at Medium.com

    March 20, 2020

    take it seriously….but calm down ….consider the correct focus : the evidence…not the distraction : the hysteria.

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        1. Wow, now WP is even hiding the link…wonder if it’s available at the wayback machine?

          *https://medium DOT com/@aginnt/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          nothing at the internet archive unfortunately

          This link from another forum is also suspended…found via a bing.com search at this site:https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/70096/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19

          *https://medium DOT com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          Here’s another discussion that references the above link
          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3826759/posts

          Here is another link to That article They are Hiding from us…found here: https://thisweekonwallstreet.com/evidence-over-hysteria/

          Evidence Over Hysteria
          by Gary S. Morrow | Mar 21, 2020 | Commentary

          This is a must read from Aaron Ginn.
          Key points: On a per-capita basis, we shouldn’t be panicking.

          COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating.

          A low probability of catching COVID-19. COVID-19 will likely “burn off” in the summer.

          Children and Teens aren’t at risk.

          93% of people who think they are positive aren’t. 1% of cases will be severe.

          Declining fatality rate.

          Read the whole thing: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          Hat tip Josh Brown/The Reformed Broker

          other discussions of this Now Hidden Article
          https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/735619-evidence-over-hysteria-%E2%80%94-covid-19/

          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652882

          http://orangepower.com/threads/wuhan-coronavirus.265925/page-140

          https://uberpeople.net/threads/evidence-over-hysteria.387615/

          (I’m not on FaceBook so cannot see much here)

          https://hn.reactpwa.com/story/22646392

          Came up on a search for the article (I didn’t read it just sharing fyi)
          https://belshaw.blogspot.com/2020/03/armidale-diaries-5-covid-19-one-damn.html

          This one appears to share at least part of the missing article:
          https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/board/103782/Contents/evidence-over-hysteria-145251232/

          This link was shared alongside the now hidden Medium piece as recommended reading:

          https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/?fbclid=IwAR0R1ghSf3wYWGxozZPNWmgIRw6jTN6X0moevZGMB6LL9hvZpNNMT6Nrx6Q

          found that link here:
          https://www.durangosrt.org/threads/covid-19-evaluation.5576/

          Well, some discussions above claimed that you can find copies of the medium article elsewhere but I haven’t found one yet, so am moving on. I shared all those other discussions in case someone wants to try to dig deeper into what the Deep State (perhaps) has moved quickly to keep from us…

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        2. 1st attempt to post this it didn’t go through but no info given to me so now will try to post in batches:

          Wow, now WP is even hiding the link…wonder if it’s available at the wayback machine?

          *https://medium DOT com/@aginnt/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          nothing at the internet archive unfortunately

          This link from another forum is also suspended…found via a bing.com search at this site:https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/70096/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19

          *https://medium DOT com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          Here’s another discussion that references the above link
          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3826759/posts

          Here is another link to That article They are Hiding from us…found here: https://thisweekonwallstreet.com/evidence-over-hysteria/

          Evidence Over Hysteria
          by Gary S. Morrow | Mar 21, 2020 | Commentary

          This is a must read from Aaron Ginn.
          Key points: On a per-capita basis, we shouldn’t be panicking.

          COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating.

          A low probability of catching COVID-19. COVID-19 will likely “burn off” in the summer.

          Children and Teens aren’t at risk.

          93% of people who think they are positive aren’t. 1% of cases will be severe.

          Declining fatality rate.

          Read the whole thing: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

          Hat tip Josh Brown/The Reformed Broker

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        3. Here’s an attempt at part 2 to share:

          other discussions of this Now Hidden Article
          https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/735619-evidence-over-hysteria-%E2%80%94-covid-19/

          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652882

          http://orangepower.com/threads/wuhan-coronavirus.265925/page-140

          https://uberpeople.net/threads/evidence-over-hysteria.387615/

          (I’m not on FaceBook so cannot see much here)

          https://hn.reactpwa.com/story/22646392

          Came up on a search for the article (I didn’t read it just sharing fyi)
          https://belshaw.blogspot.com/2020/03/armidale-diaries-5-covid-19-one-damn.html

          This one appears to share at least part of the missing article:
          https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/board/103782/Contents/evidence-over-hysteria-145251232/

          This link was shared alongside the now hidden Medium piece as recommended reading:

          https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/?fbclid=IwAR0R1ghSf3wYWGxozZPNWmgIRw6jTN6X0moevZGMB6LL9hvZpNNMT6Nrx6Q

          found that link here:
          https://www.durangosrt.org/threads/covid-19-evaluation.5576/

          Well, some discussions above claimed that you can find copies of the medium article elsewhere but I haven’t found one yet, so am moving on. I shared all those other discussions in case someone wants to try to dig deeper into what the Deep State (perhaps) has moved quickly to keep from us…

          Like

        4. Here’s an attempt at part 2 to share:

          other discussions of this Now Hidden Article
          https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/735619-evidence-over-hysteria-%E2%80%94-covid-19/

          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652882

          http://orangepower.com/threads/wuhan-coronavirus.265925/page-140

          https://uberpeople.net/threads/evidence-over-hysteria.387615/

          (I’m not on FaceBook so cannot see much here)

          https://hn.reactpwa.com/story/22646392

          This didn’t go through the 2nd attempt to share so am dividing it down & attempting #3 to share…

          Like

        5. no longer counting attempts to share this info…

          other discussions of this Now Hidden Article

          https://www.visajourney DOT com/forums/topic/735619-evidence-over-hysteria-%E2%80%94-covid-19/

          https://news.ycombinator DOT com/item?id=22652882

          http://orangepower DOT com/threads/wuhan-coronavirus.265925/page-140

          https://uberpeople DOT net/threads/evidence-over-hysteria.387615/

          (I’m not on FaceBook so cannot see much here)
          https://www.facebook DOT com/TeamCombOver/posts/1101085436908538

          https://hn.reactpwa DOT com/story/22646392

          Like

        6. Last part…

          Came up on a search for the article (I didn’t read it just sharing fyi)

          https://belshaw.blogspot DOT com/2020/03/armidale-diaries-5-covid-19-one-damn.html

          This one appears to share at least part of the missing article:

          https://247sports DOT com/college/west-virginia/board/103782/Contents/evidence-over-hysteria-145251232/

          This link was shared alongside the now hidden Medium piece as recommended reading:

          https://www.statnews DOT com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/?fbclid=IwAR0R1ghSf3wYWGxozZPNWmgIRw6jTN6X0moevZGMB6LL9hvZpNNMT6Nrx6Q

          found that link here:
          https://www.durangosrt DOT org/threads/covid-19-evaluation.5576/

          Well, some discussions above claimed that you can find copies of the medium article elsewhere but I haven’t found one yet, so am moving on. I shared all those other discussions in case someone wants to try to dig deeper into what the Deep State (perhaps) has moved quickly to keep from us…

          Here is where I was getting the shared links, fyi

          https://www.bing.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40aginnt%2Fevidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40aginnt%2Fevidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894&sc=0-71&qs=n&sk=&cvid=7CE9862824DA4983A1AE413339E918E5

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  18. ‪Folks PDJT knows that the end is near! As I said a few days ago, this drug is a game changer. Combine that with patients being able to take it through the “Right To Try” legislation our President pushed last year and we will be open for business by April 15th at the latest.‬

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    1. Ed,
      You posted a Dr. shiva clip the other day at top of another thread , after watching realized the information presented
      might be of interest to my sister ,so I forwarded .
      She was ecstatic
      Thank You !

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  19. From Canada:
    Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

    https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

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  20. This is mainly for wolfie.

    David A.
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/19/lockdown-report/#comment-126925

    Hi Gail, while absorbing your comments, just a quick counterpoint or two. While I see China not letting a good crisis go to waste, I cannot imagine those efforts bring anything but an attempted salvage of some benefit from the dire situation…..

    The virus mutates far to fast to trust any antidotes. About 49 mutations so far…
    https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-research-indicates-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-is-indeed-mutating-into-various-strains-that-have-specific-preference-of-attacking-human-host-

    I have seen no evidence of any vaccine….

    David A says:
    20 March 2020 at 10:50 pm

    More on mutations…
    We now believe that there are more than even a hundred strains and still increasing, exhibiting different characteristics and behaviours and some have substantial changes on the codons and on their genomic structure that it will affect the efficiency of the PCR NATs test despite so much claims from the manufacturers and medical experts that it will not.( https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-research-indicates-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-is-indeed-mutating-into-various-strains-that-have-specific-preference-of-attacking-human-host-)

    E.M.Smith says:
    20 March 2020 at 11:15 pm

    All RNA viruses mutate rapidly. Almost all the changes are irrelevant. Many cause the virus to be less effective. Unfortunatly, with several billion replication events in one person, some changes will make a more effective strain.

    David A says:
    20 March 2020 at 11:29 pm

    Indeed, the links document the relevant changes and gains of function. Italy definitely has a more lethal strain.

    cdquarles says:
    21 March 2020 at 1:51 am

    Any vaccine will be directed toward antigens and/or other proteins that don’t change much or overlap enough to make the vaccine be reasonably effective. That said, I don’t like the untidiness of calling this flu. It isn’t. Flu-like, yes; but enough differences to make the distinction worth it. The same is true, for me, for colds. Those are rhino viruses only. The cold-like conditions are caused by different viruses/strains of the same family of viruses.
    That also said, antibody dependent enhancement is a thing (along with other modulators).

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  21. I will assume my other comment shows.

    I think cdquarles worked in the medical field. He comments about how hidebound the hospital bureaucracy is and this will be a major hurdle to over come if President Trump wants them to use ‘off-label’ medication within the hospital.

    THINK LAWSUITS!

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  22. A good article by E.M. Smith

    20 March 2020 Covid-19 USA 16,000 Cases, Italy 4000 Dead

    This Is NOT The Flu, Comparison To Flu Is Stupid
    We are only at the start of this pandemic. There is no immunity. We do not have proven vaccines available. It is rising exponentially. The death rate in actual practice in places with enough resolved cases for valid data is about 3.4% with good medical care, and up to 12% once the medical system is overwhelmed. Those not dead are often hospitalized for weeks to months and have significant lung damage.

    The Flu is at the end of season. We have many immune to flu, and we have vaccines for flu. The death rate is about 0.1%. Recovery generally does not require weeks on respirators nor result in permanent disability.

    Anyone attempting to equate the two is ignoring the time axis, the exponential math, the death rate differential, the damage, and more. They are not thinking…..

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    1. And this comment.

      I am going to reprint the entire comment.

      Power Grab says:
      21 March 2020 at 6:27 am

      A coworker came in today and asked if I have a sewing machine at home.

      I said I do.

      She said that the local hospital has put out a call for home sewers to make masks out of 4 layers of cotton fabric. Straps can be elastic or strips of fabric. Hmmmm…I might have to switch from knitting to sewing this weekend.

      There was a story this week about a centenarian lady who is recovering from Covid-19. She said her mom sewed masks back in the days of the 1918 Spanish Flu.
      ….

      Last week we held just one church service, instead of the regular full schedule of Sunday activities. We had about 40% of a regular crowd. The most elderly members stayed home. Some other folks who had been members (and moved their membership elsewhere) came back last Sunday, I assume because their other church had cancelled services.

      Our pastor said that until they shut down the casinos, he would hold church. Well, this week I saw that casinos are shutting down. So just the music team and pastoral folks will be in the building this Sunday. We have a big platform, so it’s really easy to put lots of space between us. In fact, the platform is so large that, last week, my grand piano and I were not even in the picture on Facebook Live!

      Yesterday my kid said that they were having their work hours cut back from 8 to 7 hours a day. (It could be worse!)

      Our Walmarts are closing at 8:30 p.m. I had read they were going to open at 7:00 and close at 10:30, (almost like “7-11”, don’cha know?)…but they changed their mind. I wonder if they are laying off all those people that used to keep the stores open 24/7?

      And here’s my last random comment: I understand some are using their Christmas lights again. It helps raise the spirits. 🙂
      https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/20/20-march-2020-covid-19-usa-16000-cases-italy-4000-dead/#comment-126945

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  23. From Redstate: Andy Cohen Tests Positive for Coronavirus, Two Weeks After He Did ‘Shotskis’ with Hillary Clinton

    “… it’s worth noting that Hillary Clinton appeared on Cohen’s show to promote her new documentary two weeks ago. In the video below, she is shown doing a “shotski” with Cohen and “The Real Housewives of New York” cast member Dorinda Medley….”

    The incubation period for a virus is the time between catching the virus and showing symptoms of disease. For the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, health officials estimate an incubation period of between one and 14 days. Most people start showing symptoms about five days after becoming infected, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

    These estimates are based on what was observed in the early days of the virus outbreak in Wuhan, China…
    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-incubation-period-when-symptoms-appear.html

    “…Most people who have come down with the coronavirus started showing symptoms about five days after they were infected, a new study reveals. The study by Johns Hopkins University is said to be the largest one of known cases worldwide. Researchers analyzed the progression of the disease in 181 cases…..”
    https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-symptoms-study-johns/2020/03/10/id/957627/

    New York has IDed 8,532

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      1. There’s always a few that will go rogue. Per my breast cancer post above, for other breast issues, physicians have been known to say “take off your bra” to women behind a hand.

        There are some free thinkers in medicine, just not enough with the confidence to act on it sometimes.

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      2. I found this so encouraging. I send my daughter the info about the two drugs. She works in one hospital and has a friend who works in another (Seattle). Friend’s MIL has virus and they are giving her the drugs! I heard this this morning.

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          1. It made me think they aren’t waiting for the blind tests etc. They are overwhelmed and people are dying and this could/is working. Daughter’s friend had the virus a month ago and it was not given then.

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  24. I’m posting this here because I’m not sure if it has been discussed (Ive been out of the loop except for quick skims of our Qtree).

    This concerns the Imperial College in Londons dire report/modeling on the Wuhan virus that seems to have influenced our response (links below)

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news–wuhan-coronavirus/

    and lots more links

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=imperial+college+wuhan+report&FORM=R5FD

    Anyways on to what I find interesting from a podcast of the Steve Deace Show….Yes he was a never Trumper, and though his views have gradually modified, he at least neutral to the president, praising and and questioning him fairly evenly. Ok, qualification done, what I found interesting from his Wednesday pod cast can be found at the 31:16 mark of his podcast (link below, took a while to find a link you didn’t need to sign up). He discusses research he did when the news broke about the Imperial College study, and how it relates to global warming and some dude named Jeremy Grantham. Here is the link to the podcast:

    https://podbay.fm/podcast/481087877/e/1584561180

    I suggest if your going to listen to just scrub to the 31:16 mark so you don’t just stop because you hear something else that pisses ya off 😉

    Like I said, Ive been in and out and with the great researchers here I bet this has been covered, jut thought I’d bring up this take just in case.

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  25. One point that I thing has gotten missed in the shuffle is:

    BAT SOUP!

    Remember the photo of the woman eating a bat that went viral???

    I went looking for that since it was a KEY POINT in fingering the Chinese Wet Market.

    AND LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!

    February 03, 2020

    ….But here’s the thing, per Foreign Policy:

    That video in question reportedly wasn’t filmed in Wuhan or China in general—the woman in the video, who news outlets have identified as Wang Mengyun, is a host of an online travel show who was actually eating a dish in Palau, an island country located in the western Pacific ocean. The video was also reportedly filmed in 2016—well before the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan. Mengyun has also reportedly apologized for the footage. “I am sorry everyone. I should not have eaten a bat,” she said, according to the South China Morning Post. “[I] had no idea during filming that there was such a virus,” she continued. “I realized it only recently.”….
    https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-bat-soup

    Certainly smells stinky.

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  26. Interesting analysis of why Italy is having difficulty with the coronavirus.

    “The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older – the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”

    There is more there since I know many of you are aware of the age issue in Italy
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

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      1. With luck that will BACK FIRE BIGLY!

        People are fine with virtue signalling until it gets a loved one killed or you hospitalized.

        Now the Italians can look at a REAL LEADER (President Trump) vs the ChiCom puppets and elect a REAL LEADERS.

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  27. The M$M, FDA, CDC and FauChiCom will look like malicious operatives and uncaring bureaucrats.

    As POTUS so often reminds us, “What the HELL do we have to LOSE”
    … It’s DEATH vs SURVIVAL, and they’re with DEATH vs LUCK (being do nothing and hope for the best, which might be a compromised immune system if people survive ON their OWN at ALL).

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    1. OMG, did you see Fauci in the presser today?
      Trying to walk back his comments from yesterday?
      Yesterday he dismissed the French study and implied it was “anecdotal”.
      Today, he said the “findings may be true”
      What an arrogant pig.
      He identified himself as the “scientist”.
      He said he wanted to make absolutely sure the efficacy was a good result.
      Yet, he acknowledged a patient, with consultation with their doctor, had the right to try different medications.
      It was a huge walk back.
      The President is right on this one.

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        1. You are overlooking the REAL POINT!

          FauChiCom GAVE THE FAKE NEWS AMMO to trash President Trump! That was the WHOLE POINT of the exercise. The media MUST never give President Trump positive press.

          We are now going to see this ‘LIE’ by President Trump added to all the other ‘lies’ the media has made up and repeated ad nauseam.

          And believe me ANYONE who dies from the drugs or is harmed by the drugs will be screamed about far and wide by the media.

          Remember that nasty woman was OH SO CONCERNED about the ‘dozens’ of Chinese here in the USA who had their feeling hurt, but has ZERO problem with the HUNDREDS of Deplorables being physically attacked.

          Example:
          https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/us/coronavirus-racist-attacks-against-asian-americans/index.html

          So where was CNN??
          Oh Ya… Rap Sheet: ***639*** Acts of Media-Approved Violence and Harassment Against Trump Supporters

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      1. They can be used by people who are non WuFlu patients or support staff freeing up the N95 masks for hospital personnel.

        ANY mask is better than nothing.

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    1. That freaking irresponsible sick hateful TDS witch! A National Emergency over a Global Pandemic and we’re not supposed to listen to the President of the United States??

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      1. Butterfly,

        Can’t you just hear her?
        💐 💕 🎶 ” He is nothing but the clown-in-chief, we need a REAL Leader, someone like Hillary who did such a good job handling the crisis in Benghazi’ 🎶 💕 💐

        🤢 🤮
        ……….

        The reason they are complaining is because President Trump LOOKS like a LEADER and people are responding positively to him.

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        1. When he does the pressers, it reminds me of what Winston Churchill did in the war(I wasn’t there, saw on films). He inspired hope and also he had a plan to make it all work out and allowed people to buy in and pull together. The lefties I know are seeing this and quoting POTUS, before unheard of. I’m sure the press cabal see it too.

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    2. I’m sorry, but for whetever reason this struck me as really funny. First they complain about lack of access, then there’s too much access…..

      People, people, this is what war-time crisis communications looks like. Somebody in the Trump Administration knows their public relations textbook checklist – and they’re checking off all items daily.

      That became crystal clear for me today, the first day in a couple weeks my head hasn’t been fuzzy.

      The big problem with the brats is they all want to be the next Woodward & Bernstein, and they have no clue that ain’t coming their way.

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