20200228: Attention all QTreeps, Need Your Help, Please.

Need your help, folks. Calling all QTreeps.

Apparently, our little Coronavirus thread, and updated threads, are MILES ahead of the politicians and pundits on MSM (Sure wish we received classified briefings though, can you put in a word for us, Wolfie?) AND, I’ve found, publishing OUR link, along with a message of “We’ve been working on this issue since January. Here are 100’s of links, videos, sources, and hints. Be informed, not fearful”……… shuts down all political opposition. It’s truly stunning how ill-informed the media is on the subject (or they are intentionally misleading the public). The amount of DISINFO presents a hazard.

Nonetheless, our little thread has tremendous value, both as real information for those who are new to the subject or genuinely worried, AND for those who using the virus as a political weapon. I shared our thread today across social media. In the last 7 hours, I’ve received at least 2 dozen private messages of thanks and hundreds of short messages……. people feel better when they have information in their hands. Let’s give them information.

The current thread expires at the end of the month and I’m putting together a new one for the first week of March. Thinking we will update once a week until crisis subsides. Good idea or no?

Please, I need your contributions. Please post here, anything you have. I’ll be happy to sort it out over a long weekend and add to an updated thread. Please include a source/link, where you can and pretty please, DATE the source. I figured out a little too late that dates create a huge problem. For instance, I might type a brief sentence and say “yesterday, Laura Ingraham show”. Well, several days later, I have no idea WHICH day was “yesterday”. See what I mean?

Miss Gail Combs, I was wondering, nudge, nudge, if you could find some spare time, to provide us with a similar update like you did last time. If you can’t get it in by Sunday, I can always edit the post and add it later. Would be most appreciative. Where is Smiley2? I need you, and Aubergine, and the chemist guys, and info about air travel from FG&C, and Bakocarl’s tidbits, and everyone.

People are afraid when they don’t know what they’re dealing with, and we have reams of information. You guys pull items from Chiefio, foreign sources, etc. We always joked that QTree was an amazing collection of expertise, and we’re proving it now, when it counts. We’re fortunate to have different people with varying skill sets (medical- econ- VALUABLE hints from our grandparents- herbal medicine- Heloise-type-hints on how to keep a clean home/office) to add to the post. And it’s the only way to examine the whole problem.

Unless someone has a better idea (and heaven knows, I’m always open to a better idea), we’re going to divide the post into the following categories. If you think we need another category, let me know. This has become, very much, a group project:

  • The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world.
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses
  • Aggregated responses from other countries (I’m going to tear this one apart)
  • Vaccine news and updates https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1233156544520507393
  • Speculation on how the virus started
  • Economic impact and stories
  • Hard Data Medical info
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Media Bias and debunking section, like the great article from AP News https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • Other news items

You guys are the best. Thank you.

All my love,

D

636 thoughts on “20200228: Attention all QTreeps, Need Your Help, Please.

  1. This is an excerpt from a much longer article . . . interesting reading.

    View at Medium.com

    The Problem
    The danger doesn’t come from the virus, it comes from our under-prepared, fragile healthcare systems.
    Western governments are responding by saying that they are prepared and ready to deal with the crisis, that it’s similar to the flu.
    A recent paper suggested 80% of all cases are mild but 20% of those infected required hospitalization and 14% of those hospitalized require intensive respiratory treatment. 10
    Can you guess the number of people that have contracted the flu this year that needed hospitalisation in the US? 0.9%
    Let’s use Belgium as an example.
    On the 26th of February, a minister answered a question about the preparedness of the country by saying
    In Belgium, we have enough beds and sufficient treatment capacity. When we compare it to a winter flue and the number of elderly patients who are hospitalised, the situation is identical
    In response, Dr Marc Wathelet, the expert I mentioned earlier wrote a letter to the Belgian government yesterday morning noting that the infectiousness and hospitalisation rates are much higher than the flu.
    In my file, I cited the WHO, which on February 10 estimated that 16% of symptomatic patients were in a condition serious enough to require hospitalization. Influenza? 0.2% of cases.
    The WHO released a report yesterday stating we now have more precise figures for symptomatic patients: 80% of mild cases, 13% of severe cases (hospitalization), 6% of critical cases (intensive care).
    If the proportion of symptomatic cases due to the new coronavirus reaches 1% of the population, we would be on the verge of a hospital crisis due to lack of beds
    Humans are pretty good at understanding threats to ourselves. We evolved to be on the lookout for prehistoric predators, and in the modern day we understand that the chances of being hit by lightning, or dying in a plane crash are pretty unlikely.
    Evolving to be observant of direct dangers to ourselves seems to have left us terrible at predicting second and third-order effects of events.
    When worrying about earthquakes we think first of how many people will die from collapsing buildings and falling rubble. Do we think of how many will die due to destroyed hospitals? How many will die because medicine can no longer be delivered on damaged roads?
    The average mortality rate of 2% is with the caveat that our healthcare systems can manage severe cases.
    We know that if the virus becomes widespread, they can’t.
    We think the virus might be much more infectious than the flu, but let’s assume that only 8% of the UK population gets infected, the same as a severe flu season.
    The UK population is 67 million people, that’s 5.4 million infected.
    Currents predictions are that 80% of the cases will be mild.
    If 20% of those people require hospitalization for 3–6 weeks?
    That’s 1,086,176 People.
    Do you know how many beds the NHS has? 140,000
    If the present data about the virus is correct, even at conservative estimates we are going to have hundreds of thousands of people needing hospitalisation and intensive care. The strain that this will place on the healthcare system cannot be overstated. We are not prepared to deal with a pandemic.

    The potential for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed is very real.
    If our hospitals are overwhelmed how many will die from unrelated conditions because they can’t get access to healthcare?
    How many will die because of shortages of medication?
    The limited availability of beds in Wuhan raised their mortality rate from 0.16% to 4.9%
    This is why the Chinese government built a hospital in a week. Are our governments capable of doing the same?
    The virus is not the main danger, our unprepared medical system and fragile supply chains are.
    How many people are going to be prevented from going to work because of quarantine?
    The FDA this morning reported the first Drug Shortage in the US caused by the coronavirus.

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    1. If I’m understanding correctly, the number of people who need hospital care due to respiratory symptoms is higher with COVID-19 than the flu, and that could overwhelm hospitals.

      I keep reading that more people die from the flu every year than COVID-19, and it seems that that is being reported to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19. But if more people need intensive medical care, then it is serious, both because of the disease itself and because of overwhelmed hospitals.

      If it is “just the flu,” why did a 30-something Chinese doctor die from it? Did he have other underlying conditions that made him more susceptible?

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    2. Carl – make sure that this information is on Daughn’s new thread – either in the post or repeated as a comment.

      This is absolutely KEY.

      This is why I’m pushing rapid discovery of outpatient REPLACEMENTS for hospitalization which reduce the chance of hospitals turning into transmission hubs.

      Heck – I’m going to check myself now…..

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      1. FYI Gail / Daughn / Wolf ->

        I’m seeing Web Proxies and Web Filters blocking full content on threads due to references to mari and controlled sub’s.

        Please be advised on this issue, and take care when commenting any KEYWORDS that will trigger blocks, especially on the newer threads.

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  2. I’m wondering if all the thousands of ‘Coronavirus’ cases world-wide have actually been tested accurately, officially, positively.

    Count me suspicious cat on this.

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  3. Coronavirus May Be Spreading So Quickly Due to Fecal Transmission, Says New Research

    LINK – https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-fecal-transmission

    “Essentially, COVID-19 can pass from person to person “if an infected person does not wash their hands properly after using the bathroom,” Jeremy Brown, MD, director of the Office of Emergency Care Research at the National Institutes of Health and author of Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History, tells Health. He adds that lots of infections—including Hepatitis, cholera, and viruses that cause gastroenteritis—are also transmitted this way. “

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  4. Hi Folks,
    The new Coronavirus thread is up and running.
    I’ve been working on it all day long.
    It’s re-ordered, by section and by date.
    I’m beginning to sift through the hundreds of comments to add to the existing structure now, but wanted to get it to you.
    Can’t thank you enough for all your help.
    You guys are the best.

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      1. Daughn,

        First if you use my stuff please remember to remove the [*] in front of each link. I use it to ‘de-activate’ the link so I do not have to worry about getting booted.

        Second, I suggested to Wolfie that perhaps at this point we need to separate the information into categories:
        Nutrition hints
        physical preventatives
        science
        politics
        Pepper ideas/recipes

        LAST:
        LOOK AT JO NOVA’s article!
        Doc explains how Coronavirus kills. Jo points out obvious: Stop the Flights or Close the schools, lockdown everyone.
        http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/

        Goes along with:

        Coronavirus: England only has 15 beds for worst respiratory cases
        NHS says system will struggle if more than 28 patients need artificial lung treatment

        https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/27/coronavirus-england-only-has-15-beds-for-worst-respiratory-cases

        This is why SLOWING the spread is so vital.

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      2. MQ – Do you want to add the official webpage for drug shortages to new post?

        Link to FDA list of Prescription Drug shortages, updated in February 2020. Many injectables. There’s also a link where they’ve extended expiration dates on several drugs. Still looking for OTC list, haven’t found yet.

        https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-shortages

        Another source:

        https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/

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      3. FYI Gail / Daughn / Wolf ->

        I’m seeing Web Proxies and Web Filters blocking full content on threads due to references to mari and controlled sub’s.

        Please be advised on this issue, and take care when commenting any KEYWORDS that will trigger blocks, especially on the newer threads.

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  5. [Please remove * in front to make URLs ‘alive’]

    PREVENTATIVE TIPS

    If you must shop, shop early in the morning after the cleaning crew is done, the shelves are stocked and there are few people in the building.

    PERSON TO PERSON TRANSMISSION
    CDC – ”People with flu can spread it to others up to about 6 feet away. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze or talk.” EXCEPT CDC IS WRONG!!!

    NEW STUDY:

    …It was previously thought that the flu spreads mainly through large particles, or droplets, in the air that travel short distances, from 3 to 6 feet. But the new study showed most flu viruses are found in very small particles in the air, Bischoff said. Smaller particles can travel farther than larger ones, he said. Because the study did not look at distances beyond 6 feet, the researchers cannot say whether the flu virus can travel farther.….
    *https://www.livescience.com/26753-flu-virus-travel-six-feet.html

    HAND SANITIZING
    A pocket full of copper pennies are a good in-store dry hand sanitizer. That is why door knobs are often made of brass, a copper alloy.
    Using copper to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses
    *https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm

    HAND WASHING
    (From memory from Patriot Nurse) Use water as hot as you can stand wash for 20 secs that is the same as singing happy birthday through twice. 😋

    TIP: A small bottle of soapy water and a large bottle of clear water can travel in the vehicle with you. I use Realemon bottles I flip the restrictor out with a pocket knife and then replace it after filling. However the squirt top of an old alcohol bottle fits on a large or small soda bottle too.

    How to Wash Your Hands
    https://www.thoughtco.com/top-reasons-to-wash-your-hands-4043996

    Hand Sanitizers vs Soap vs Plain Tap Water
    *https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20050311/which-hand-washing-cleansers-fight-germs-best#1

    Which Cleansers Are Best at Removing Viruses?
    In terms of removing the virus, the antimicrobial hand-washing agents and controls (plain soap and water, or tap water alone) fared best.
    By the 10th round, the best virus removers were:

    • Hand-washing agent containing benzethonium chloride
    • Plain soap and water (without microbe-fighting chemicals)
    • Tap water alone

    After 10 sessions, hand-washing agents with CHG were less effective at removing the virus than those with benzethonium chloride or plain soap and tap water.”Although viruses are a less common cause of health care-associated infections than are bacteria, in situations in which infection with viruses are likely (e.g., gastroenteritis because of norovirus or hepatitis A infections), the use of soap and water washes should be considered,” says the researchers.
    Hand Wipes, Rubs Still Useful
    “Hand-washing agents were superior to both alcohol-based hand rubs and hand hygiene wipes” in removing the virus, the study cites.

    One alcohol-based hand rub — which contained ethyl alcohol and silver iodide — made a lesser but still significant reduction in the virus. ”

    All other agents except PCMX, which included alcohol-based hand rubs and wipes failed to demonstrate a statistically significant reduction in [the virus],” the study reads.
    But those products may still come in handy. It’s not always possible for health care workers (or anyone else) to get to a sink to use soap and water.

    Do Hand Sanitizers Work and Does Hand Sanitizer Kill Coronavirus
    *https://whatkillsit.com/virus/do-hand-sanitizers-work-and-can-they-kill-human-coronavirus/

    ..In may be news to you but back in April of 2019, the FDA banned 28 chemicals from being used in hand sanitizers due to safety concerns. A decision that leaves manufacturers with only 3 approved active ingredient options:
    Isopropyl Alcohol
    Ethyl Alcohol
    Benzalkonium Chloride [Used in non-alcohol sanitizers – gc]
    Which 4 Hand Sanitizers Were Tested and were able to Kill SARS Viral Particles?
    Sterillium Rub 80% Ethanol
    Sterillium Gel 85% Ethanol
    Sterillium Virugard 95% Ethanol
    …if you see a hand sanitizer that say’s “kills SARS or “Kills Wuhan or Novel Coronavirus” they are not complying with FDA regulations of OTC (over the counter) claims .
    In fact as our research unfolds for this article, the makers of Purell, have just been warned by the FDA to STOP making claims that their ethanol-based hand sanitizer could be effective for controlling the spread of some deadly pathogens….
    BUT
    But, there have been favorable studies…at least two that tested whether or not hand sanitizers could kill the SARS coronavirus.
    Study 1
    A 2005 study (link) out of Germany that proved certain hand sanitizers were capable of killing the 2002 SARS Coronavirus and that research is hard for anyone to ignore. Lucky for us (consumers) we are not mandated to ignore studies. Especially when we’re simply trying to equip our cars, purses, and desk drawers with a best-guess method of sanitizing our hands……
    .
    .
    .
    If the above global studies aren’t enough to convince you that hand sanitizers work, then this message from our nation’s own CDC should help:
    “An alcohol-based hand sanitizer is the preferred method for cleaning your hands when they are not visibly dirty because it:“

    ♦️ Is more effective at killing potentially deadly germs on hands than soap
    ♦️ Is easier to use during the course of care, especially when moving from soiled to clean activities with the same patient or resident
    ♦️ when moving between patients or residents in shared rooms or common areas
    ♦️ Improves skin condition with less irritation and dryness than soap and water

    The above recommendations are from studies on surfaces and not on actual hands from what I understand. That is why the discrepancy. Different agents require different dwell times to kill viruses. Alcohol requires a 10 minute kill time. Ethanol is more lethal than isopropanol (Rubbing alcohol.)

    The Truth About Disinfectants: Q&A With An Expert
    https://thesurvivalmom.com/truth-about-disinfectants/

    SANITIZING SURFACES:

    How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?
    https://medicalnewsbulletin.com/how-long-does-coronavirus-live-on-surfaces/

    …The new coronavirus, also known as 2019-nCoV, displays many of the same characteristics as the MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) and SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) viruses, which also belong to the coronavirus family of viruses. The 2019-nCoV coronavirus spreads by human-to-human contact via droplets, contaminated hands, and contaminated surfaces. It takes about two to ten days before its flu-like symptoms appear…..”
    How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?
    One of their primary goals was to assess how long does coronavirus live on surfaces, and whether there are any effective measures that can be taken to lower the risk of infection. This information is especially valuable to healthcare providers, who face the highest risk of infection. It is also valuable to anyone who has been in close contact with someone infected with 2019-nCoV.
    The research team evaluated studies of the MERS and SARS viruses. They determined that the viruses can live on surfaces and remain infectious for up to nine days. The average survival rate was four to five days, but low temperature and high humidity increase their lifespan.
    The study also evaluated different cleaning solutions at different concentrations and their effect on the lifespan of the viruses. The solutions were made from alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, bleach, benzalkonium chloride, or chlorhexidine digluconate.
    The researchers found that solutions of 62-71% alcohol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide, and 0.1% bleach were the most effective at disinfecting surfaces from the viruses. Solutions of 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride and 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate were not as effective at killing the virus on surfaces and preventing further spread of the infection….

    LAUNDRY
    General look at cleaners:
    *https://foodsafety.wisc.edu/consumer/fact_sheets/Cleaners_Sanitizers.pdf

    WHEN YOU USE BLEACH TO SANITIZE USE IT ALONE AFTER CLOTHES ARE CLEAN FOR BEST RESULTS!

    How to Disinfect Laundry for Bacterial and Viral Infections
    https://www.thespruce.com/disinfect-laundry-for-bacterial-viral-infections-2146333

    ”…the scientists at Cornell University’s Cooperative Extension Yates Association have done the research and provided the information necessary on how to kill bacterial and viral infections in your home laundry….

    These four categories of products are safe for fabrics and are available at local stores. They are recognized by microbiologists at the USDA Textile and Clothing Laboratory. Follow the product’s directions…”

    ♦️ Pine oil disinfectants: These are effective in hot and warm water, and can be used on both white and colored fabrics. Some brands include Pine-Sol, Spic-n-Span Pine, and Lysol Pine Action. They should be added at the beginning of the wash cycle. To be effective, the product must contain 80 percent pine oil.

    ♦️ Phenolic disinfectants: These are also effective in hot and warm water and can be used on white and colored fabrics. Lysol brand disinfectant is available in most areas. Phenolic disinfectants may be added to the wash or rinse water if the rinse water is warm.

    ♦️Liquid chlorine disinfectants (sodium hypochlorite): Also known as chlorine bleach, it may be used in hot, warm or cold water temperatures on white fabrics only. To be effective, there must be a 5.25 percent to 6.15 percent concentration of sodium hypochlorite. Not all chlorine bleach formulas are that strong, so read the labels. Examples of liquid chlorine bleaches include Clorox and all supermarket house brands.

    ♦️Quaternary disinfectants: These are extremely effective in all water temperatures but is less readily available than the other products. Lysol and Clorox offer quaternary formulas, as well as other brands. The Amway company manufactures Pursue, which is not recommended for laundry but can be added to the final rinse by following the dilution rate per gallon of water recommended on the label. Many household cleaners contain effective disinfecting ingredients but are not recommended for laundry purposes because they can damage fabrics….

    There is a lot more information at that site.

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    1. OOPS!

      Forgot one:

      MONEY!
      You can use a credit card keep it in a plastic bag, use rubber gloves when using the keypad and try to sanitize everything OR you can use exact change in cash.

      YOU CAN WASH BILLS!

      I just tried it. I placed a dollar bill in a small fine mess lingerie bag. I then tossed it in with my white towels in an old ‘rip the heck out of your clothes’ agitator washing machine on HOT cycle WITH BLEACH. I now have a nice clean dollar bill. 😋

      You can get cash from the bank in a sleeve and then launder it at home if you wish.

      Gives a whole new meaning to laundering money. 🙃

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    2. “To correctly disinfect a countertop, for example, the surface needs to be visibly wet for four minutes.

      That will probably take more wipes than you’re used to using while you clean. Sanitizing, on the other hand, only requires the surface to be visibly wet for ten seconds.

      In both cases, you should let the surface air dry.”

      https://www.bhg.com/news/disinfecting-mistakes/

      I wouldn’t clean countertops with wipes, but rather with a disinfectant and paper towels or a clean washrag.

      PS – I buy bleach-able white hotel grade wash cloths and towels by the dozen from Riteway Linens.
      https://ritewaylinens.com
      Sales@ritewaylinens.com
      There are other companies – but this company will ship small quantities – even just one dozen – and is in my state!
      I love their Signature bath sheets and all the towels.
      TIP – Always wash new towels with vinegar to get them soft and fluffy!

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  6. China virus comment II

    Statistics out of China, February 17 2020
    *https://web.archive.org/web/20200219142101/http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

    Comorbid condition – % Death
    High blood pressure …6.0%
    Diabetes ……………….7.3%
    Heart Disease ….…..10.5%
    Chronic Respiratory ….6.3%
    Cancer………….…….. 5.6%
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    AGE ………………..% Death
    Retiree…………….……..5.1%
    ….
    under 40……………….0.2%
    40-49 …………………….0.4%
    50-59 …………………….1.3%
    60-69 …………………….3.6%
    70-79 …………………….8.0%
    80 & up ………………. 14.8%

    NUTRITION, CHRONIC INFLAMMATION & a mini test:

    Patriot Nurse pointed out in one of her Wuhan Virus videos that the comorbidity factors that increase the possibility of death were all CHRONIC INFLAMMATORY CONDITIONS.

    I am a good ‘test subject’ since I have three of those conditions: High blood pressure, pre-diabetes type II and asthma/allergies.
    After extensive reading I decided to try some of the vitamins minerals and herbs. I normally take multiple vitamins , Move Free, selenium, iodine and I had started taking Turmeric-Curcumin for back pain. (I get plenty of vitamin D3)

    After a week on:
    2,000-3000 mg of Vit. C
    2,500 mcg of B12
    1000 mg cinnamon
    435 mg Nettle
    450 mg Licorice root.

    I am off my anti-hystamines that I have been on almost daily for 60 years. 😲😁
    My blood oxygen went from 92-93% up to 95-96% 😁
    My need for melatonin  as a sleep aid DECREASED.
    Seems melatonin has an influence on the immune system that might reduce the potential for a cytokine storm… At lease if you are a mouse .
    And my blood pressure that I have been battling for years went from 147/76 (average of four readings) to 122/59. (Getting rid of carbs gradually brought the diastolic down and stabilized it below 80 but I have been fighting my systolic and losing. The only other time I could get it below 132 was when they put me on steroids… HMMMmmm.)

    Which brings me to this that I forgot to add to the old nutrition comment:

    Note: I also started taking CBD oil three months ago along with the Turmeric. I am now pretty much off NSAID pain killers despite lifting five 50lb feed sacks off the floor a couple times a week AND goat roping today. Have you ever tried to rope a goat… with horns… that weighs as much as you… with a right handed lariat when you are left handed? GROAN…

    INFLAMMATION, CYTOKINE STORMS, and FLU VIRUSES
    ………….….THE SCIENCE

    This11 Minute video is very good and gives an understandable explanation of why inflammation is the ‘enemy’

    Acute lung infection from viruses can result in a ‘cytokine storm’ where the immune system causes damage to alveoli and lung tissue results in the lethality seen in more severe flu viral infections. In the worse cases the damage can also be to the kidneys, heart and other organs.

    …a description of what a cytokine storm does:
    “Zhou Zheng (周正), an expert in respiratory medicine at the Second Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University in Hunan Province, said one feature of 2019-nCoV infection is that patients can develop moderate symptoms in the first two days of infection but can become seriously ill on the third day or later. Attributing this to the phenomenon of cytokine storm — a high level of circulating inflammatory cytokines — Zhou said the novel coronavirus can stimulate the body’s immune system, which can further damage the cells. “A normal immune system protects, but an over-active immune system can not only damage the lungs but also other organs, including the kidneys, liver and heart,” he said.”
    https://survivalblog.com/letter-elderberry-wuhan/

    Much discussion on vitamins and herbals and MAJOR INFO FOR THOUGHT at that website…

    Such as:

    Normally, with flu, elderberry syrup is a positive and helps fight the virus.
    *https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190423133644.htm
    “Sambucol Elderberry Extract and its formulations activate the healthy immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production.”
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11399518

    2. However, “…elderberry also enhances cytokine response, which may not be so good when one of the complications of pandemic influenza is cytokine storm.”
    *https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/high-dose-vitamin-d-and-elderberry-syrup-for-flu-treatment

    3. And here we have that immune dysfunction also showing up with COVID-19
    “In most moribund [dying] patients, 2019-nCoV infection is also associated with a cytokine storm…”
    *https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30305-6/fulltext

    Back to inflammation…

    I think this is why my CBD (hemp) oil works on my back pain, arthritis and asthma.

    Cannabinoids as novel anti-inflammatory drugs
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/

    ABSTRACT
    Cannabis, commonly known as marijuana, is a product of the Cannabis sativa plant and the active compounds from this plant are collectively referred to as cannabinoids…

    ….several studies showed that cannabinoids downregulate cytokine and chemokine production and, in some models, upregulate T-regulatory cells (Tregs) as a mechanism to suppress inflammatory responses. The endocannabinoid system is also involved in immunoregulation. For example, administration of endocannabinoids or use of inhibitors of enzymes that break down the endocannabinoids, led to immunosuppression and recovery from immune-mediated injury to organs such as the liver. Manipulation of endocannabinoids and/or use of exogenous cannabinoids in vivo can constitute a potent treatment modality against inflammatory disorders. This review will focus on the potential use of cannabinoids as a new class of anti-inflammatory agents against a number of inflammatory and autoimmune diseases that are primarily triggered by activated T cells or other cellular immune components….

    Cannabinoids are potent anti-inflammatory agents and they exert their effects through induction of apoptosis, inhibition of cell proliferation, suppression of cytokine production and induction of T-regulatory cells (Tregs). In this review, we provide an in-depth description of all four different mechanisms and we further discuss the immunosuppressive properties of cannabinoids in the context of inflammatory and autoimmune disease states, triggered by cellular rather than humoral components of the immune system.

    Translation:They found that the OTHER compounds, in marijuana (and also hemp) suppress inflammatory responses.

    Note: ”… downregulate cytokine and chemokine production….” and the word cytokine

    The cytokine storm of severe influenza and development of immunomodulatory therapy
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/

    Abstract
    Severe influenza remains unusual in its virulence for humans. Complications or ultimately death arising from these infections are often associated with hyperinduction of proinflammatory cytokine production, which is also known as ‘cytokine storm’. For this disease, it has been proposed that immunomodulatory therapy may improve the outcome, with or without the combination of antiviral agents. Here, we review the current literature on how various effectors of the immune system initiate the cytokine storm and exacerbate pathological damage in hosts…

    Cytokine storm and sepsis disease pathogenesis
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28555385

    Abstract
    Infectious diseases are a leading cause of death worldwide. Sepsis is a severe clinical syndrome related to the host response to infection. The severity of infections is due to an activation cascade that will lead to an autoamplifying cytokine production: the cytokine storm. Cytokines are a broad category of relatively small proteins (<40 kDa) that are produced and released with the aim of cell signaling. Our understanding of the processes that trigger this tremendous amount of cytokine production has made dramatic progress over the last decades, but unfortunately, these findings could not translate yet into effective treatments….

    Cytokine storm plays a direct role in the morbidity and mortality from influenza virus infection and is chemically treatable with a single sphingosine-1-phosphate agonist molecule.
    *https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24728596

    Abstract
    Cytokine storm defines a dysregulation of and an excessively exaggerated immune response most often accompanying selected viral infections and several autoimmune diseases. Newly emerging and re-emerging infections of the respiratory tract, especially influenza, SARS, and hantavirus post considerable medical problems. Their morbidities and mortalities are often a direct result of cytokine storm. This chapter visits primarily influenza virus infection and resultant cytokine storm. It provides the compelling evidence that illuminates cytokine storm in influenza pathogenesis and the clear findings that cytokine storm is chemically tractable by therapy directed toward sphingosine-1-phosphate receptor (S1PR) modulation, specifically S1P1R agonist therapy. The mechanism(s) of how S1P1R signaling works and the pathways involved are subjects of this review.

    The cytokine storm of severe influenza and development of immunomodulatory therapy
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/

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    1. FYI Gail / Daughn / Wolf ->

      I’m seeing Web Proxies and Web Filters blocking full content on threads due to references to mari and controlled sub’s.

      Please be advised on this issue, and take care when commenting any KEYWORDS that will trigger blocks, especially on the newer threads.

      (Not trying to say not to post the info, but need to know that it WILL trigger blocks.)

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  7. E.M. Smith aka ChiefIO

    @Gail:

    About 2 weeks ago I shifted from CDC reports to math projection, thus my being buttoned up now.

    I think they will find thousands of cases as they start effective testing. I hope I am wrong. But I’m pretty sure we will follow the pattern of S.Korea (which is still on the exponential…)

    360,000 students from China in the USA. How many made the trip home for Chinese new year? How many businesses have staff shuttling? What are the odds that, of the thousands of flights from China since DECEMBER not one contagion happened?

    IFF the CDC numbers are right, it is only from a 5 sigma event of luck, IMHO.

    But we will find out over the next week or two. California had 2 cases of transmission in the home. Then testing barely got started and we already have community spread of unknown origin with cases in California, Oregon, Washington… now form the exponential on those missing sources walking around…

    ENGLAND

    Groniad: Coronavirus: England only has 15 beds for worst respiratory cases

    England only has 15 available beds for adults to treat the most severe respiratory failure and will struggle to cope if there are more than 28 patients who need them if the number of coronavirus cases rises, according to the government and NHS documents.

    Ministers have revealed in parliamentary answers that there are 15 available beds for adult extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) treatment at five centres across England. The government said this could be increased in an emergency. There were 30 such beds in total available during the 2018-19 winter flu season….

    AUSTRALIA
    Jo Nova explains WHY we NEED TO PREP!
    Jo points out obvious: Stop the Flights or Close the schools, lockdown everyone

    ….The great news is ICU staff are getting much better at keeping people alive when they get ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) which can happen with other diseases (like Influenza). Seems, the ICUs can keep 84% alive while they wait for the inflammation to subside and the damage to heal. Though the DIY version at home probably won’t be so effective.

    Not enough beds
    Obviously, this explains my obsessive interest in the percentage needing ICU care and also the Ro (rate of reproduction or spread). With a shortage of ICU beds, slowing the spread makes a life-and-death difference to state the bleeding obvious. To bore you again: in Australia we have about 1 ICU bed per 12000 people or 2,000 ICU beds nationally.

    Check out the Ro epidemiology curve written here Jan 31st: Corona virus and those exponential curves. Note that current estimates of Ro are between 2 and 3, so higher than these (meaning the curve will hit harder, faster and peak higher unless we bring it down through draconian isolation measures). An Ro of 1.8 peaks in just 60 days. Sometime in the last few days a medico in Japan got this through to the guy in charge, which is why with only 200 patients he realized that closing schools was imperative across the whole country. The only way to reduce the R0 to zero is to “Stop The Flights”. The next best option (far distant second) are mass lockdowns, closure of factories, schools, offices, etc.….

    As a reader wrote to me yesterday: It’s not practical to close the borders. My reply: It’s not practical to kill 100,000 people either but one or the other may happen. Do the maths, WHO estimates 1% CFR (Case Fatality Rate. Let’s be optimistic, call it 0.5%. Deaths in the next six months: Australia, 125,000; Canada, 175,000; New Zealand, 25,000, USA, 1.6m; UK, 300,000. Geddit?….

    As a long time frequenter of Jo’s blog, I have great respect for Jo.
    From her ‘about’ page:
    “…A prize-winning science graduate in molecular biology. She has given keynotes about the medical revolution, gene technology and aging at conferences. She hosted a children’s TV series on Channel Nine, and has done over 200 radio interviews, many on the Australian ABC. She was formerly an associate lecturer in Science Communication at the ANU.

    She is married to Dr David Evans, the Stanford PhD in fourier analysis, former leading carbon modeler for the Australian Greenhouse Office…”

    David has a lot of other degrees BTW. A very formidable pair.

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