20200218th-29th: Coronavirus COVID-19, Our Fifth Update Thread

Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Almost no one believes China’s numbers, and consider these numbers vastly under-reported.

We still don’t have a firm handle on this virus. The uncertainty leads to fear in a general population. Within this thread, we will share everything we know, culled from multiple sources. Thank you to all who contribute.

A New Kind of Warfare, a Bio-War, or Sudden Contagion:

The idea of a “Bio-Corridor” upon entry into the USA is being openly discussed and necessitates a new thread. This is an entirely new way of thinking and we need time to wrap our heads around the idea. Our goods go through a Customs screening but systems need to be updated and adapted for medical risk. Recently, we’ve seen illegal immigrants bringing measles, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis into our country. Diseases which were eradicated in the USA. A virus like COVID-19 is similar in in RO factor to Measles, but far more hazardous in risk to our citizens and economy. This makes LEGAL border adherence and a strict immigration policy mandatory…… just like those who came through Ellis Island long ago.

Health security has become national security and a globalist economy which only pursues short term profits has left us woefully unprepared. We can’t manufacture penicillin anymore or Vitamin C. Our last aspirin factory left the USA in 2004. We have ONE factory which makes surgical masks and sterile disposable operating room kits. And did you know a Chinese manufacturer recalled 9 million of those kits exported to the USA………. cuz they were contaminated.

With President Trump, we rebuilt a depleted military to fight conventional wars. We also turned our attention to the new war for the 21st century, the cyber war. Our enemies, specifically China, don’t need to devote billions to R&D and testing when they can merely steal our weapons systems for pennies on the dollar. Yet, how do we prepare for this war, the bio-war? Our supply chain and food supply must change. The USA is an MEGA exporter of Agri-products, BECAUSE our procedures and safety protocols are the best. We need country of origin labels on our food. Our ability to manufacture medicines must change. And China’s balance sheet and CCP subsidies must be dealt with, severely.

Here’s how the problem was created: Since China joined the WTO, they have successfully targeted entire industries to become the manufacturer to the world. In the USA, the “west”, and even India, companies operate on a profit/loss statement. They have to make money, otherwise, they go out of business. To gain dominance, China offers subsidies to their industries in the form of free energy, free water, capitol to build a factory, free land, or the most common way…. rolling of their bank loans. Remember, a rolling bank loan carries no loss. With this amount of subsidy, no private company in the USA/Belgium/ or India or Canada could possibly compete….. which is why Wall Street sent our factories to China.

Most economists believe China is carrying about 40-45 trillion in debt, about 3.5x’s their annual GDP, an amount equal to the USA having an 88 trillion dollar debt load. Everything ticks along nicely in China as long as the debt never comes due……….. With COVID-19, the debt is coming due.

Trump Administration timeline of action on Coronavirus:

Impact of COVID-19 on China’s Economy:

  • China has thrown billions into their local banks and reduced ratio of cash reserves to lending, and China was low on USD reserves due to tariff war with USA. The Chinese central bank plans to pump $22 billion into the economy amid reports that the coronavirus or COVD19 will lower the expected growth of China’s economy from 2.1% to 1.2%. It’s likely to be far worse.
  • Feb 20th, Goldman Sachs announces Coronavirus expected to impact up to 1% of GDP about a trillion dollars globally, market sinks 300 points https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Feb 24th, market opens down 997 points, begins slow slog back on fears of Coronavirus spreading outside China.
  • February 25th, another 900+ points, down. Over-reaction and media pushing fear.
  • Feb 20th, Proctor and Gamble (owns Yum brands) announces coronavirus will negatively impact Q1 revenue and earnings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Feb 20th – 34 Members of a church in South Korea have tested positive for Coronavirus, US Army shutting down portion of base there, theaters and commissary. Update on Feb 24th – over 800 people in South Korea test positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • February 26 – Over 1800 infected in South Korea, per Laura Ingraham interview with Americans in South Korea. Towns the size of Kansas City and no traffic on streets.
  • February 26th, per Laura Ingraham Show, over 800,000 people in South Korea calling for impeachment of President Moon…… because he did not shut down the border with China fast enough. (Guess President Trump is looking pretty smart)
  • Adidas and Reebok in Germany reporting sales down 90% in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Auto Sales in China, down 92% in February, according to Gordan Chang/FOX Biz.
  • Coal usage in China is down 50%. China gets 70% of electricity production from coal…. per Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Estate sales almost completely shut down. Gov’t revenue is highly dependent on real estate tax on sales. In a city of 20 million, we might see 5-10 sales a day. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Local Transportation cars/trains running at 15-20% of normal, China economy flat-lining. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Food Inflation up 10%, pork inflation up 100%. One of the biggest fears in China is famine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Amazon taking drastic action to get materials out of China and hold steady on Supply Chain (per Fox Biz, February 24th)
  • Toy Manufacturers concerned about Christmas items (last of our concerns right now)
  • Containers already in route to USA, carrying medical supplies, latex gloves, masks, surgical kits, etc., ordered returned to China. (FOX Biz Feb 24th)
  • Yield on the 10yr US Treasury bond almost hits all time low at 1.37% (Feb 24th) as foreign investors flood into safety of US Treasuries
  • Oil prices down, on report of oil use DOWN in China(Feb 24th), we knew it weeks ago.
  • Local Chinese business are reporting only 3 weeks of cash on hand
  • How many factory workers can survive 6 weeks without a paycheck?
  • Layoffs have begun in China to save the businesses
  • Chinese students in the USA report they cannot return home because mom/dad can’t afford to bring them home (not working), even if they could get a flight.
  • Hotel occupancy in Hong Kong is in single digits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • 20% of Hong Kong restaurants expected to fail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • January Chinese auto sales are down 20%+
  • Lumens (the measurement of light) at night from satellites over China is down 30-35% year over year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Railroad traffic, measured by satellite is almost at a standstill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Reefer Units (a container which carries refrigerated goods) is plugged in when it arrives at port to maintain temperature. As of today, there are no more “plug-ins” available in the entire country. Shipping is at a standstill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Oil shipments have shut down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
  • Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
  • Apple missed quarterly earnings in the USA and forecasts delays in delivery.
  • Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
  • China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
  • Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus (and a dumb idea about imposing a higher local sales tax more responsible for Japan lag in economy than COVID-19)
  • South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
  • Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
  • Feb 24th, northern Italy shuts down. Milan described as a “ghost town”. Venice Carnival is cancelled. Schools, museums, theaters, religious events, all closed until March 1st, and re-assess. 55% of Italy’s GDP comes from this region.


How did COVID-19 start? What was the source?

We heard all kinds of rumors about the origins for COVID-19. First it was bat-soup, then Pandolins, but almost immediately we had a “conspiracy theory” about a bio-weapon accident/escape from a Level 4 lab in Wuhan, coincidentally close to the wet market. Did Coronavirus COVID-19 originate in Chinese government bio-weapon laboratory? Scientists believe killer disease may have begun in research facility 300 yards from Wuhan wet fish market. Senator Tom Cotton raised the possibility, was criticized, and proven correct by a study released on Feb 21st. Chinese Ambassador did not directly answer question in mid-February. Immediately CCP media calls out Tom Cotton. Odd…… Here are articles discussing the possibility:


What are the chances for vaccine for COVID-19?

Remdisovir, an AIDS drug is being discussed and we have some reports of success. Peter Navaro of the Trump Administration indicated approximately 100K doses would be available by the end of February as manufacturer of the drug, Gilead Sciences gears up production.

Other experts woefully admit it will be difficult to create a vaccine for Coronavirus, and even if they could, if everything went perfectly, it would be at least November before a vaccine would be available. Here are a few sources discussing the issue:


Snapshot information and stories from around the world:

  • Cruise Ship docked and quarantined in Japan, the Diamond Princess, docked off Yokohama: had 600+ infected persons, of 3700 passengers. Americans were evacuated from the ship, evacuated from Japan and flown home by the State Dept. 14 tested positive, now quarantined in Nebraska, and at military bases in Texas and California.
  • Feb 20th, first two passengers from Diamond Princess have died from Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th.
  • Official Death toll is 2,800+ (Updated 10:00pm Eastern, February 26, 2020) (could be thousands more) (current “official” dashboard from Johns Hopkins is located at top of thread)
  • 82,163 confirmed cases (could be thousands to millions) confirmed worldwide (Updated 10:00pm Eastern, February 26, 2020) (current “official” dashboard from Johns Hopkins is located at top of thread)
  • Hardest hit is Hubei province, healthcare system is overloaded, but we’re seeing death tolls reported from Jilin, to Sichuan, to Guangdong to Chongqing – it’s all over China.
  • Over 863 Police in China infected because of secondary contact.
  • Japan is second hardest hit. Party on board a boat seems to be the source tracked to 11 who are infected, virus spread from there.
  • Singapore has over 80 active cases.
  • Rumors of problems with virus in Thailand among sex workers. Statistics not being reported.
  • Feb 20th, Sacred Muslim city of Qom, Iran, about 80 miles south of Tehran, has reported 50 cases of Coronavirus, city is shutting down.
  • Feb 24th, Heshmat Alavi reports as many as 18,000 cases in Iran and serious problems with infection in Iranian prisons.
  • Cruise passengers from Diamond Princess released and flown home. Of 11 Israelis flown home one tests positive.
  • 3600+ Healthcare workers infected in China, over 1700 said to be in “serious condition”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • As much as 55-60% of China’s physicians have less than a Bachelors degree. Nurses are poorly trained. Latex gloves are rare. Procedure and sterile protocols common in the USA are not so common in China, AND the further we get from large metro centers, the worse it is. Interesting discussion with the Director of Apple News in Hong Kong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Director of Surgery for Wuhan’s most prestigious hospital, Dr Liu Zhiming, 51, died this morning (02/17/2020) after ‘all-out rescue efforts failed’, according to state broadcaster CCTV – resolving a state of confusion last night after local officials reported his death before later denying it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013267/Head-Wuhan-hospital-dies-coronavirus-Chinese-media.html
  • More contagious than Seasonal Flu, Spanish Flu, or SARS.
  • WHO team was allowed into China February 9th. USA has been offering assistance to China since January 6th. WHO team will be confined to Beijing, NOT allowed to travel to Wuhan, only allowed to look at data (which is unreliable).
  • USA delivered 100 million dollars of AID to China to battle the virus.
A map of Chinese provinces will help us get oriented within the country.


Where to go for more information:

Exceptionally valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004? Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C? Did you know tainted heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?

Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make you scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.

Episodes 18 and 19 discuss a great deal of the economic impact. Resources/interviews include the Director for Apple News In Hong Kong (discusses the healthcare system in communist China), and an associate professor at Fulbright in Saigon who analyzes the microeconomics of China (he’s the one measuring the lumens in China at night). Episode 19 discusses how the USA and India can address the problem of pharma and China virus.


Gail Combs reports and does a DEEP DIVE:

Gail Combs, fellow Treeper, is one of our best researchers. I believe she is a physicist. Wish I could give you her whole bio, yet this is the internet.… Gail has agreed to compile valuable info for us all, found below. Thank you, Gail! And thank you to BakoCarl for more resource links!


1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false positive. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.

2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.

In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)

3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)

Surface Survival of the Virus

4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”

Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1

”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.”
 – Larry L.

76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.

5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.

6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.

7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)

Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:

…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:

♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily,
♦️ it is more contagious than SARS,
♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.

This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.

As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *


The virus is probably ‘free’ here in the USA. I t is more severe for men, especially older men and older people with chronic inflammatory disease. It requires a long hospital stay. Children may show little sign of the disease.

“What we think will happen over the next several weeks, will be more and more cases will begin to show up that have no obvious contact back to China,” –Michael Osterholm, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

THEREFORE the goal is to prevent rapid spread of the disease especially to those over 50 so the hospitals are not overwhelmed. IF the system is overwhelmed the elderly WILL NOT GET CARE!

1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors


If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.

Interesting items on survival times for various bugs on different surfaces and conditions.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/ ~ or ~ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850217302239

Removing Gloves

”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles 

For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.

How to properly wear a mask- short video in link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1221247891714514945


Larry Ledwick  has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:

Many people wonder what they can do to NOT get the virus. If we think of Coronavirus like a “super-flu”, it makes sense to follow good general hygiene principles, eat well, and get plenty of rest. Here are some extra hints from Gail.

High dose Vit C for anti viral activity.

Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.

Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.

In summary:

What dosage?
Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7]
…The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea…..
But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..

Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….

Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..

B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically…..
Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential

What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?


Debunking of side effects:

From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.

ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.

ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.

ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.

VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.

So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids

Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.

NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!

…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders


DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)

For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System

I recommend looking for the scientific studies (pro and con) that actually support the claims of any health remedy not prescribed by a doctor as I have done above.

DISCLAIMER: I am a chemist and not a doctor. This is just a compilation from comments at both sites that may be of interest to readers. Think for your self!

Logical thinking.

591 thoughts on “20200218th-29th: Coronavirus COVID-19, Our Fifth Update Thread

  1. Larry L.
    “Lessons from the Black Plague.”
    Too bad the CDC doesn’t take note…

    One of my early hero’s Nikolay Lobachevsky, founder of non-Euclidean geometry, took common sense precautions during a cholera epidemic (slide 17) and minimized the deaths at his university.

    There is really nothing better on the web about him unfortunately .

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  2. David A says:
    “The group quarantine practice in China, which I called murder, is apparently turning into just that.”

    new reports are emerging that many of its field hospitals and health detention centers that were set up in sports stadiums, exhibition halls and schools that was meant to either serve as quarantine areas or to treat suspected cases are now turning up to be new hotbeds that are spreading the coronavirus.

    One facility in Huanggang City that houses almost 6 thousand individuals that are being quarantined reported yesterday evening that almost 32 percent of its residents have now tested positive for the coronavirus.

    It estimated that there are about 462 such field hospitals nationwide, housing more than 1.8 million people in total. Conditions inside make perfect incubation centers for the coronavirus as it is often overcrowded with filthy sanitation services and enclosed with not much fresh air.

    Chinese health authorities refused to comment on this but an investigation has been launched since yesterday on this new development according to city officials from Huanggang.”

    Add that to the prisons and old folks homes, looks like the Chinese are killing off a lot of people. No wonder the Chinese people are resisting getting tossed into those metal boxes!

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    1. I thought from the beginning that people forced to live with others who are infected, by quarantine (as on a cruise ship), were being placed in danger. I guess the alternative would be for everyone to self-quarantine at home. But at some point food and supplies could run out, so preparedness is vital, even for those who are not infected, because supply chains could be interrupted.


      1. It certainly makes sense to buy ahead if you have the money. It has been a bit of a stretch (Hubby is screaming) But we should be good for 2 to 3 months as long as the electricity doesn’t quit or we can get fuel for the generators.

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        1. ^^^ My assumptions are electricity, water, sewer, gas and trash will happen as usual. If they hold, I am good for 3+ months. If utilities fail or are not delivered, planned alternatives shorten somewhat.

          But in the Corona scenario, gotta believe utilities will be reliable.

          My trip wire is two twelve year old grandsons and son at UNR. Schools gotta shut down, IF Corona becomes ‘”local”. Like a 24 day or 27 day shutdown.


  3. OK, so I’m going to put this on the table:
    First, the disclaimer: I’ll make it clear that I am NOT an investment advisor. I’m summarizing the email I received early this morning from my personal investment advisor.

    Second, please take this in light of the WARNING that the CDC issued today about the INCREASING LIKELYHOOD of a MAJOR outbreak of the Wuhan Coronavirus in the United States.

    The “down and dirty summary” of the email I received this morning is as follows — and mind you, this is from a highly-respected investment house based in the U.S.:
    *** The Chief Investment Officer talks about “flight to quality” (translation — gold / US Dollar / Treasuries.
    Also — Bonds — except that yields are taking a hit. However, Bonds represent a “safety measure” as opposed to the equities market.
    Real Estate and Utilities (equities that were long ago called “Widows and Orphans Stocks”) are choices to think about possibly incorporating into an investment mix, especially if they aren’t already represented.
    *** The Health Care Analyst for Equity Research: This person’s conclusion, after performing research, is that the LIKELYHOOD of an MAJOR OUTBREAK of the Wuhan Coronavirus in the U.S. going from a previous 1 in 5 to now a 1 IN 3. “In out view, it is probably time to call this a pandemic.”
    *** The Director of Equity Portfolio and Technical Strategy: This person’s conclusion is that the market was overdue for a correction. Also, for people who wish to have liquidity, provide safety, and “stay out of the way” of what is going to be a volatile market, judiciously-chosen fixed income and Treasuries are good options to consider.

    For those of us “of a certain age” who well remember how long it took for investment portfolios to correct to anywhere back to normal after the market crashes of 1987 and 2007 – 2009, it appears that nobody really knows the down dynamics of the current equities market. The email I received today is sprinkled with “if”, “should”, and “we feel”.

    There is also the fight between the “gut feeling” of rushing to liquidate one’s entire equity holdings and going into cash or cash equivalents — or “riding it out” with perhaps a tweak or two to one’s existing portfolio. My opinion is that there can be a “middle way” which would most likely be a path unique to each individual investor. Perhaps one could discuss with one’s adviser about rebalancing the portfolio; perhaps making a change from a “total return” or “aggressive” portfolio toward a “balanced return” portfolio; perhaps it may be a discussion about exposure to overseas equities. Perhaps there are tax considerations and/or income from investments that would be negatively effected by a major change in a portfolio.These are things that each investor can “talk turkey” to their adviser about. It’s YOUR money; it doesn’t belong to the adviser or brokerage house. Unless a person’s total financial portfolio consists of laddered CD’s or fixed-income annuities, there may well be room to explore other options.

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    1. Shame on them.
      I WAS an investment advisor but would never dispense advice in a public forum.

      Remember, brokers make money on the transaction. Fear makes money …. for the brokers.

      NOTE: Gold (the flight to quality), reached a high of 1691 yesterday. It’s falling now to 1640. That’s a $50 swing.
      Because the people who made money on gold are buying.
      Where else are they going to go to get a return?
      Munis are dead.
      US Bonds are dead.
      An annuity at 2% with an 8% commission?
      no thanks.

      On the other hand, I’m as much of a girl scout, be prepared, as the next guy. No, we don’t like the Coronavirus at all.
      But we have a few glimmers of hope.

      Inside china, death rate is running about 5%, but in South Korea, with decent healthcare and PUBIC stats, the death rate is about 3/10ths of 1%.
      MUCH lower.

      Do I trust the Canadians stats on Iran? No. We shouldn’t trust anyone’s stats. Maybe not even the US Gov’t stats.
      Yet, if this turns into a nightmare, Trump will not be re-elected. And we know he will do anything possible to be re-elected.

      PLUS, long term, look for HUGE amount of factory manufacturing being brought back to the USA. It might be legislated, for pharma, hospital supplies, and things deemed necessary for health/national security.
      Trump tied to tell them to come home – and gave them a huge tax break to come home, and now is the time.

      Finally, this will ensure our border wall, which WILL lower illegal immigration, sve the country money. When coupled with recent win at SCOTUS (new immigrants have to be able to pay their own way), the cost of illegal immigration will go down, boosting OUR GDP.

      PLUS, USMCA still has to kick in. Forget the China Deal for now. The EU is on the ropes, and UK is ready for a trade deal….. and there is one brewing for India.
      All of those will boost GDP.

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      1. Actually if this does go into a pandemic here in the USA and across the world, I do not think people will hang it on President Trump although the DemonRats will certainly try.

        He stepped in and STOPPED the air traffic from China and put in at least some sort of checks and quarantine.

        Also WHERE are the deaths going to be? The homeless camps in San FranFeces and the other California cities.

        President Trump has been trying to get the DemonRats to clean things up and they have been ‘Resisting’

        President Trump has even sent the EPA in to try and clean up the mess the Democrats made.

        FOX: Trump says EPA to slap San Francisco with violations related to homeless population

        USA Today: ‘We can’t have our cities going to hell’: Donald Trump threatens environmental action against San Francisco

        EPA Issues Violation Notice to San Francisco
        Mayor London Breed says the violation notice contains “mischaracterizations, inaccuracies and falsehoods” and says the city’s sewer system is one of the most effective in the country

        So while the mess will not help President Trump, I do not think it will hurt him as much as the DemonRats think. It may actually HELP the GOP on the down ticket side if President Trump handles it correctly.

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      2. Last I read, Canada is still working USMCA. Going slower than initially thought as twinkle socks lost some supports in their last election. BUT, the articles I read a couple weeks ago were all positive, Canada will pass USMCA.

        Of course, IF Canada does not pass USMCA, President Trump will trash NAFTA, a six month count down as I recall.
        Seperately, however Corona goes and I think we’ll be OK. Can’t define that OK at the moment.

        President Trump WILL be reelected. Corona is NOT President Trump’s fault. Americans know that.

        President Trump has been and will deliver strong leadership regarding Corona AND ultimately our economy will be strengthened. Nationalism. Jobs. Manufacturing. Borders. Throttle China…

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        1. FTA

          Business News
          January 27, 2020 / 11:03 AM / a month ago
          Canada kicks off USMCA ratification process, urges bi-partisan co-operation

          OTTAWA (Reuters) – Canada’s minority Liberal government kicked off the ratification process for a new continental trade pact on Monday and urged opposition lawmakers to formally approve the deal as quickly as possible.

          Canada is the only country still to ratify the trilateral United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), which updates the 25-year-old North American Free Trade Agreement.

          Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, who led Canada’s negotiating team, urged lawmakers to set partisanship aside. The Liberals do not control the House of Commons and must rely on opposition legislators to govern.


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      3. Butterfly has more on how President Trump is handling the virus:

        February 26, 2020 at 01:20
        Peter Navarro on Tucker, WH Coronavirus Plan is 4 part strategy being executed on TRUMP TIME

        1- HHS has RFP tomorrow for personal protective equipment, includes 1/2 Billion Masks, gloves, suits

        2- 3 Treatment options, 1-remdesivir IV drug in clinical trials, trying to secure dosage 2-Develop oral antivirals in rapid time 3-monoclonal antibodies to help build up immune system

        3-vaccine development in 1/2 time

        4-point of care diagnostics, adapting handheld devices to be able to do field diagnostics
        Since Jan 29 they’ve been on this doing it all in TRUMP TIME

        POTUS a is taking care of us. I trust him.

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  4. The 1918 “Spanish” Flu “majorly killed young adults with strong immune systems

    Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill juvenile, elderly, or already weakened patients. However the 1918 flu predominantly killed healthy young adults. Individuals between the ages of 20-40 accounted for nearly half of the fatalities. This abnormal result is believed to have been caused due to ‘cytokine storm’ in which the immune system over responds to the threat of infection. Thus, the strong immune system of young adults ravaged their bodies while the population with a weaker immune system was able to recover.


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      1. Cytokine storm and sepsis disease pathogenesis.

        Cytokines in Sepsis: Potent Immunoregulators and Potential Therapeutic Targets—An Updated View

        Sepsis and septic shock are among the leading causes of death in intensive care units worldwide. Numerous studies on their pathophysiology have revealed an imbalance in the inflammatory network leading to tissue damage, organ failure, and ultimately, death. Cytokines are important pleiotropic regulators of the immune response, which have a crucial role in the complex pathophysiology underlying sepsis. They have both pro- and anti-inflammatory functions and are capable of coordinating effective defense mechanisms against invading pathogens. On the other hand, cytokines may dysregulate the immune response and promote tissue-damaging inflammation. In this review, we address the current knowledge of the actions of pro- and anti-inflammatory cytokines in sepsis pathophysiology as well as how these cytokines and other important immunomodulating agents may be therapeutically targeted to improve the clinical outcome of sepsis.

        Looks like the term Sepsis is an older term and it refers to a body wide attack by the immune system. Cytokines are the chemicals that regulate the immune response so ‘Cytokine storm’ is the newer more technical term.

        In the case of this virus it is the lungs although I have seen some reports of the body wide attack.

        Very short video (11 min.) on how the Wuhan virus kills and the treatment:

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        1. Thank you – saved.

          Our daughter spent a month last fall in the hospital with sepsis that caused heart arrythmia. It was possibly caused by aspiration…but the doctors were never sure.

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  5. I am not sure if I already posted this or not.
    E.M.Smith says:
    25 February 2020 at 6:28 pm
    Interesting look at China lost cases:

    According to Thailand Medical News, hundreds of thousands of residents in nursing homes and old-age homes are infected, with many dying on a daily basis. Also, mass infections and deaths across prisons nationwide have been brought to light.

    Here are some excerpts:

    “Yesterday, brave investigative Chinese journalists from Caixin media uncovered that that many state controlled nursing and old-aged homes throughout China where there are hundreds of thousands of elderly residents are infected with the coronavirus and many were dying on a daily basis. One example was that of a nursing home in Wuhan where deaths and infected cases were not added to the daily tolls.( For full details of the report , visit: https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-02-25/exclusive-cluster-of-death-found-at-wuhan-nursing-home-near-seafood-market-101519854.html )

    “There are more than 14,823 such nursing homes throughout China housing more than 3.2 million citizens.

    “Already cases of mass infections and deaths across prisons nationwide have been brought to light.”

    See entire article:


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    The Spanish flu struck during the First World War. Reports of illness and mortality due to the flu were minimized in countries including US, Britain, Germany and France due to wartime press censorship as it was considered that the news of the flu would be detrimental to the war effort. This allowed the flu to spread rapidly and by the time the newspapers reported it, the disease was running its course throughout the population.


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    After the lethal second wave which struck in late 1918, new cases dropped abruptly. The reason for the rapid decline of the disease might be that the virus mutated extremely rapidly to a less lethal strain. Influenza viruses usually become less lethal with time as the hosts of more dangerous strains tend to die out and this might have been the case with the 1918 flu too.

    Dr Andrew Price-Smith, an expert on the effects of Pandemic Influenza, has made the argument that the 1918 Influenza Pandemic shifted the balance of World War I in favor of the Allies as the Central Powers Germany and Austria were hit by the flu before the Allied Powers and as the morbidity and mortality rates there were higher.


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  8. This is an interesting development with Nancy Messonnier. She started under Clinton and was appointed by Obama to her present position. She is Senior Executive Service aka ‘Deep State, the un-fireable managers just below the presidential appointees who actually run the country.

    From what Bobby is saying she is going full ROGUE ‘RESIST’ Looks like all the mess-ups on testing were not mistakes but more likely sabotage.

    As usual from Chiefio site but links to OT

    BobbyCannoli says:
    26 February 2020 at 2:38 am
    @Gail Combs

    “CDC also stated in there live conference call: “The situation may be over whelming, and disruptions to everyday life may be severe” ”

    Interestingly, the doctor making that statement is apparently going rogue compared to the official CDC and HHS secretary positions. Further interesting point, that doctor happens to be Rod Rosenstein’s sister! So, perhaps there’s a political angle to it!


    So, we’re either not getting the right news officially, and it’s “worse than we thought (TM)”, or, somebody is making it seem worse to reflect badly on the administration.

    Who knows!?!!?

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      1. Not certain just a gut feeling.

        There have been too many STUPID moves in direct defiance of common sense and even orders.

        I am very sure President Trump is more aware of what is going on than we are.

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        1. Yes! President Trump knows what the hell is going on. His supports are also dialed in. They’ll see the CDC failures to be ready and execute necessary steps, back stabbing, mis-direction, etc.

          President Trump reads a lot. Listens intently. IF nothing else, the faulty test kits are a huge red flag. Lack of serious testing, like why not broad based testing? Why only CDC can evaluate tests?

          Nancy, RR sis, IF she is as facked up as we suspect, she best be careful. She’ll be publicly discarded after being totally discredited.

          AND, when I worked as GS there were areas, financial and personnel “I” could be held liable. The Command also. But ME, held liable. Betting, or hoping CDC SES are in same boat. Of course, someone would have to hold her, them accountable. Corona going bad could swing that.

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  9. Remember E.M. is an economist by training.

    E.M.Smith says:
    26 February 2020 at 12:55 am
    “A 45 minute audio only podcast on stock markets, Federal / Central Banks, the plunge, and likely causes and futures. IMHO, these guys have it right.”

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    1. Gail – where did you post about supplemental oxygen being the big difference in mortality? I need a pointer to that. I want to give this big attention. I think that OUTPATIENT OXYGEN may be the key to really beating this thing overall.

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  10. Peter Navarro on Tucker, WH Coronavirus Plan is 4 part strategy being executed on TRUMP TIME
    1- HHS has RFP tomorrow for personal protective equipment, includes 1/2 Billion Masks, gloves, suits
    2- 3 Treatment options, 1-remdesivir IV drug in clinical trials, trying to secure dosage 2-Develop oral antivirals in rapid time 3-monoclonal antibodies to help build up immune system
    3-vaccine development in 1/2 time
    4-point of care diagnostics, adapting handheld devices to be able to do field diagnostics
    Since Jan 29 they’ve been on this doing it all in TRUMP TIME

    POTUS a is taking care of us. I trust him.

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    1. Yes, I think he’s on this.

      As for CDC gal warning, the more I think about it, the more I think it’s not too rogue. People need to stock up for stay-at-home quarantines. That requires people not dismissing the idea of actual disruptions. So unless she goes into screaming fits about “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE”, then stating that disruptions are likely, particularly in some areas, may be reasonable.

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      1. Wolfie Trump is on this and WAY before the outbreak. Makes me think he had advanced knowledge.

        Executive Order on Modernizing Influenza Vaccines in the United States to Promote National Security and Public Health
        Issued on: September 19, 2019

        February 25, 2020: COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start

        Moderna Therapeutics, a biotech company based in Cambridge, Mass., has shipped the first batches of its COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine was created just 42 days after the genetic sequence of the COVID_19 virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was released by Chinese researchers in mid-January. The first vials were sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, MD, which will ready the vaccine for human testing as early as April.

        NIH scientists also began testing an antiviral drug called remdesivir that had been developed for Ebola, on a patient infected with SARS-CoV-2. The trial is the first to test a drug for treating COVID-19, and will be led by a team at the University of Nebraska Medical Center….

        I think President Trump was aware that quarantine with a porous border and reliance on world commerce just was not going to work. He also would be aware that the CDC was full of Obama’s anti-human embeds. So instead of fighting the CDC he went around them.

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  11. I know this may be a weird idea, but I’ll bet a lot of people can be saved with outpatient oxygen. It’s already WAY CHEAPER than hospitalization, and can be administered by family members.

    Also, there may be ways to get it mass produced and cheaply delivered using existing aerosol can technologies.

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    1. I’m trying to think of ways to THWART these globalist population engineers trying to kill off oldsters.

      And maybe BANNING certain types of experimentation might not be a bad idea. Yeah, we have to study pathogens, but creating new and deadly ones is an unacceptable risk to humanity. Damn CCP needs to be TAKEN DOWN, and HOUSE GLOBO with them.

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      1. When Corona is under control, largely minimized, China WILL have a serious reckoning from global community.

        BEST OF ALL, President Trump will use ChiCom AND Corona AS a sledgehammer for Nationalism, disengage from China economically.

        100%, President Trump figured this out before a month ago.

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      2. “…And maybe BANNING certain types of experimentation might not be a bad idea. “

        Wolfie it is ALREADY BANNED!

        That is why Dr Boyle went ballistic on the Alex Jones Show. Dr Boyle is responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act and taking the idea all the way to the United Nations. AND he is ACCUSING UNC, the Obama Admin. AND China of violating that act.


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        1. Yes and not just with Obama violating the act, but allowing China access into our Universities to fund and most importantly take part in the research and on top of that to tell the Australians “hey, China’s good, you should of seen how well they helped us out on our SARS/Corona related viruses projects… why don’t you let them help you with your HIV project you’ve got going on over there”.

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    2. I wonder if something as simple as an Airlife spirometer could work. Generally used for breathing exercises during hospital stays and upon returning home. I bet a lot of people already have them at home. If it would work, people would merely need instructions on how best to use it to their advantage.

      I used mine to help me quit smoking.

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      1. I do not think so since that is for recovery after surgery with normally functioning lungs.

        The tissue that is the barrier between the air in the lungs and the blood is normally very thin so the O2 (and CO2) can pass thru it. The problem with the virus is it causes the lungs to become inflamed. (‘cytokine storm’) The inflammation thickens that barrier tissue making it more and more difficult for the gases to pass thru.

        The therapy that works is:
        A. INCREASE O2

        [This increases the partial pressure of the O2 in the lungs and means more O2 makes it through the thickened barrier. The increased pressure also helps keep the liquid from seeping into the lungs and ‘forces it’ to head back into the blood stream.] <=== Point of view of a me as a chemist and not from a Doctor.

        This may help:

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    3. Wolfie, It would probably depend on how bad off the people are. Oxygen plus medication plus close monitoring could certainly keep the moderate cases out of the scarce quarantine beds.

      I picked up a cheap Walmart (equate) Pulse Oximeter since I have been having problems with asthma. My saturation level sucks… (You can tell by how bad my grammar and spelling get. 🙃 ) I am experimenting on some of the suggested herbs and using the meter to check results.

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  12. CDC last Tweets….

    Communities/hospitals – need to be prepared
    “Now is the time for US businesses, hospitals, and communities to begin preparing for the possible spread of #COVID19. CDC continues to work with business, education & healthcare sectors, encouraging employers to be prepared. Learn more: https://bit.ly/2w3HujZ.”

    Currently there is no community spread in the USA.
    “There is currently no reported community spread of #COVID19 in the US. People should follow everyday measures to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, such as staying home when sick and washing hands with soap and water. Stay informed; visit http://cdc.gov/COVID19.”

    Keep alert – watch for news from CDC

    2019CoV cases in USA – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

    Still only 2 person to person cases reported in USA.

    Thanks be to GOD!

    So glad the people in public health know they have to answer to watchful, protective, fatherly and fierce President Trump!!!

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    “Just landed. India was great, trip very successful. Heading to the White House. Meetings and calls scheduled today.

    @CDCgov, @SecAzar and all doing a great job with respect to Coronavirus! Briefing this afternoon.

    Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!
    I will be having a News Conference at the White House, on this subject, today at 6:00 P.M. CDC representatives, and others, will be there. Thank you!”

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  14. M Simon in response to my posting butterfly’s recap. He is libertarian and not fond of President Trump.

    M Simon says:

    No test kits = no cases.
    Probably just an accident. Especially when there is a test kit out there. Used in Europe. and other places. See the video here:

    Trump time? An RFP is not enough. It has to be done under expedited rules.

    My answer:
    Trump time IS expedited. He has had the bureaucrats slashing regs left and right so stuff gets done much faster.

    Executive Order on Modernizing Influenza Vaccines in the United States to Promote National Security and Public Health
    Issued on: September 19, 2019
    Interesting section:

    …Section 1. Findings. (a) Influenza viruses are constantly changing as they circulate globally in humans and animals. Relatively minor changes in these viruses cause annual seasonal influenza outbreaks, which result in millions of illnesses, hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations, and tens of thousands of deaths each year in the United States. Periodically, new influenza A viruses emerge from animals, including birds and pigs, that can spread efficiently and have sustained transmission among humans. This situation is called an influenza pandemic (pandemic).

    Unlike seasonal influenza, a pandemic has the potential to spread rapidly around the globe, infect higher numbers of people, and cause high rates of illness and death in populations that lack prior immunity. While it is not possible to predict when or how frequently a pandemic may occur, there have been 4 pandemics in the last 100 years….

    He seems to know the science & manufacturing.

    (d) The current domestic enterprise for manufacturing influenza vaccines has critical shortcomings. Most influenza vaccines are made in chicken eggs, using a 70-year-old process that requires months-long production timelines, limiting their utility for pandemic control; rely on a potentially vulnerable supply chain of eggs; require the use of vaccine viruses adapted for growth in eggs, which could introduce mutations of the influenza vaccine virus that may render the final product less effective; and are unsuitable for efficient and scalable continuous manufacturing platforms….

    Realizing the above short comings he has been pro-active

    Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to modernize the domestic influenza vaccine enterprise to be highly responsive, flexible, scalable, and more effective at preventing the spread of influenza viruses. This is a public health and national security priority, as influenza has the potential to significantly harm the United States and our interests…

    Sec. 3. National Influenza Vaccine Task Force. (a) There is hereby established a National Influenza Vaccine Task Force (Task Force). The Task Force shall identify actions to achieve the objectives identified in section 2 of this order and monitor and report on the implementation and results of those actions. The Task Force shall be co-chaired by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, or their designees…

    There is a lot more to that E.O.

    Perhaps this is why they are already announcing a new vaccine is ready for human trials.

    February 25, 2020: COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start

    Moderna Therapeutics, a biotech company based in Cambridge, Mass., has shipped the first batches of its COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine was created just 42 days after the genetic sequence of the COVID_19 virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was released by Chinese researchers in mid-January. The first vials were sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, MD, which will ready the vaccine for human testing as early as April.

    NIH scientists also began testing an antiviral drug called remdesivir that had been developed for Ebola, on a patient infected with SARS-CoV-2. The trial is the first to test a drug for treating COVID-19, and will be led by a team at the University of Nebraska Medical Center….

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    1. HMMMmmm
      September 19, 2019…

      Silly Wild Ass Guess time.

      On September 19, 2019
      “Thursday on the [PBS] NewsHour, Rep. Adam Schiff weighs in on an “urgent” whistleblower complaint that’s causing a standoff between the White House and Congress.”


      In March 2019, in mysterious event a shipment of exceptionally virulent viruses from Canada’s NML ended up in China. The event caused a major scandal with Bio-warfare experts questioning why Canada was sending lethal viruses to China. Scientists from NML said the highly lethal viruses were a potential bio-weapon.

      Following investigation, the incident was traced to Chinese agents working at NML. Four months later in July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML)….

      So, yes President Trump would have been aware of a possible bio-weapon release.

      He knew the Shan-Peach-Mint would not be going anywhere and he was too clean for their impeachments to work in the Senate.

      He was also aware they were getting increasingly desperate so a release was a possibility. March until September to do a GOOD assessment on how well the USA was prepared and where the weak points are. The E.O. is released on the same day Shitty Shiff is blabbing on PBS sucking up all the air in the news cycle…

      As Wolfie has mentioned MK-U could be used to get someone to be careless enough that there would be a release.

      Look at the impeachment timeline. By the end of October, mid November when the virus ‘escaped’ the lab, The Democrats KNEW the impeachment farce was not going to work.

      The potential Patient Zero, is the person admitted to Wuhan hospital on December 1. He was a bed-bound man in his 70s. So that puts the ‘escape’ in Mid November at the latest. Since Patient Zero was bed-bound he was NOT the first unless deliberately infected.

      Sept. 9, 2019: House Democrats launch investigation of Giuliani
      Sept. 9, 2019: IG notifies Intelligence Committee of whistleblower complaint
      Sept. 24, 2019: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
      Oct. 31, 2019: House adopts impeachment resolution
      Nov. 26, 2019: House Judiciary Committee announces first impeachment hearing
      …[At this point or before they knew they had nothing.]
      Dec. 13, 2019: Judiciary Committee votes to approve articles of impeachment
      Dec. 18, 2019: Demicrats vote to impeach President Trump

      From the point of view of the Fabian Progressives the virus is great.

      1. They blame the poor handling of the crisis on TRUMP
      2. The Economy TANKS
      3. People are inconvenienced so they blame the Trump Admin.
      4. It negates President Trump’s greatest weapon RALLIES!
      5. I t keeps President Trump from using rallies to help elect the down ballot.
      6. It scares people away from the polls and thus helps ballot box stuffing.
      7. It targets older folks who are mostly Trump supporters.
      8. It can be used to push socialized medicine.
      9. It kills off the elderly and those with comorbidities aka Useless eaters, a BIG bonus for the Fabians.

      For the champagne Commies aka Fabian Third Way Socialists it takes out China who was getting WAY too big for it’s britches.

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  15. Daughn wanted me to repost this recap here:

    WHY we should pay attention to the Wuhan Virus, I thought I would put some random facts out there.

    Start with this very short video (11 min.) on how the Wuhan virus kills and the treatment:


    The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. We have since found that even after recovery the person is contagious and therefore needs to be quarantined. Also it can take as long as 14 to 27 days for the symptoms to show and the virus can be passed on during that time.


    #1. 60,000 flights left Wuhan prior to lock down or about 8 million people world wide. There are over 50 non-stop flights a month to San Francisco and over 50 non-stop flights to NYC or AT LEAST 14,000 people arrived in the USA from Wuhan before any type of screening was in place.


    H.R. says:

    7 February 2020 at 12:50 pm
    Well, my daughter-in-law hit a Trifecta of cities that have the highest numbers. She was in Wuhan, Shenzhen, and Shanghai. She made it out of China one day ahead of the flight ban and is now at home.

    She was not impressed with the passenger screening upon arrival in New York. She filled out a rather longish form before landing, which was gone over as passengers went through customs. By all rights, she should have been yanked aside for closer scrutiny given the cities she visited. Nope. Didn’t happen….

    Confirmed means confirmed by lab test and not ‘clinically diagnosed’
    — Up until at least January 24, 2020, CDC was doing all testing.
    — Cheek and throat swabs give negative results.
    — Blood serum tests give negative results.
    — Material coughed up from deep in the lungs gives most reliable results

    “Even patients who definitely have the disease only come back positive 30 per cent to 50 per cent of the time,” Prof Wang said.

    CDC sent out DEFECTIVE KITS to all but THREE STATES!
    — CDC current rules are overly restrictive and CDC refuses to even do a small sentinel sample of general public screening on people that do not meet their presumptive risk category.
    CDC has run just 426 tests from Jan 21 to Feb 24
    BUT 746 people in Washington state were under supervision for coronavirus and now released as ‘cleared’ Using the defective test kits?

    February 19, 2020 – Last week, the CDC said it will begin testing individuals with influenza-like-illness (ILI) for COVID-19 at public health labs in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, and New York City.
    (The CDC is STILL attributing possible COVID-19 illness and deaths to ‘increased’ flu activity for the fourth consecutive week. )

    ”We don’t know if there is an outbreak without lab testing and screening. The entirety of US had had minimal testing compared to China or even South Korea. Delayed testing makes an epidemic potentially worse.” – DrEricDing
    (Public health scientist / Epidemiologist / Harvard ‘07 (Epidemiology & Nutrition), JohnsHopkins ‘04 / 15yrs HSPH&HMS / Pharma whistleblower)

    DR. NANCY MESSONIER of the CDC, who is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, (H/T churchmouse) has just stated that, due to the “SUDDEN” INCREASE of Wuhan Coronavirus cases in the United States, that “schools and businesses may have to be closed” if the situation gets more serious.

    ”Inundated With Flu Patients, U.S. Hospitals Brace for Coronavirus
    Resources are already stretched during flu season. With so much medical equipment and drugs made in China, public health experts are anxiously watching the global supply chain.
    With an intense flu season in full swing, hundreds of thousands of coughing and feverish patients have already overwhelmed emergency rooms around the United States. Now, hospitals are bracing for the potential spread of coronavirus that could bring another surge of patients…”


    February 17 2019

    The current flu season has been milder than last year’s, with the vaccine protecting about half the people who were inoculated and a less severe strain of the virus causing most of the illnesses that do occur.
    However, there have been more deaths than usual from that milder strain, and there is evidence a more severe strain of the influenza virus is causing a growing percentage of illnesses….
    There have been 11,600 to 19,100 deaths so far.

    “The number of deaths we’re seeing is a little bit surprising,” CDC epidemiologist Brendan Flannery told the Wall Street Journal. “It’s a reminder that flu can be severe.”

    ”Maria my job at the White House during this crisis is to review the supply chains we need to treat corona. There’s over 30 different elements just for that alone. And what I’ve learned so far and not surprisingly is that we’ve offshored far too much of our supply chain not just for corona but also for the essential medicines we need… In terms of the immediate issue face masks, the N95 face masks. China put export restrictions on those masks and then nationalized an American factory that produces them there. So we’re dealing with that in Trump time.”

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    January 30, 2020 Italy confirmed its first cases who were passengers off a cruise ship

    FEB 21 2020 – Just hours after revealing that six people had come down with the virus in the first known cases of local transmission in Italy, officials said a further eight had tested positive for the disease, including five health workers.

    February 24, 2020 Sixth Coronavirus Patient Dies in Italy as Cases Rise to 220

    Feb 25, 2020 Coronavirus Update: Italy Mortality Rate Similar To China’s
    (7 dead, 229 cases)

    CONCLUSION: If you bother to actually TEST you find the cases…

    Do not forget the death rate has to be compared to the number of cases 7 to 14 days ago while the numbers of ill are exploding. So in Italy, 7 dead on the 25th compares to 6+8=14 found ill on the 21st…..

    The numbers out of Iran are completely bogus. When the first two cases died
    ”Dr. Alavi works at the Kamkar hospital in Qom and reports 20 patients have died from clinically diagnosed cases of #COVID19 at his hospital. Only in Tehran can samples be tested, so it might be a while to get full numbers.”
    Hector Torres

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  17. MOAR….

    The global health community is closely monitoring 2019-nCoV because of the severity of symptoms (including death) among those infected, and the speed of its spread worldwide.

    The R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6.

    Here is what we know of mortality by age as of early February mainly from China. (Who lies)

    80+ years old – 14.8%
    70-79 years old – 8.0%
    60-69 years old – 3.6%
    50-59 years old – 1.3%
    40-49 years old – 0.4%
    30-39 years old – 0.2%
    20-29 years old – 0.2%
    10-19 years old – 0.2%
    0-9 years old – no fatalities

    COVID-19 Fatality Rate by COMORBIDITY:
    Cardiovascular disease – 10.5%
    Diabetes – 7.3%
    Chronic respiratory disease – 6.3%
    Hypertension – 6.0%
    Cancer –5.6%
    no pre-existing conditions –0.9%

    From Dr Eric Ding, Public health scientist / Epidemiologist / Harvard ‘07 (Epidemiology & Nutrition), JohnsHopkins ‘04 / 15yrs HSPH & HMS

    Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing
    AGE of #COVID19 patients: compared to old SARS, the new #SARSCoV2 patients seem to skew much younger.
    Lots of people under age 50 are being hospitalized. This is clearly not a virus that afflicts the old/infirm.
    This can bring down anyone young or old.

    That’s not good –DrEricDing


    If the true R0 value for 2019-nCoV is between 4.7 and 6.6 that puts it in the same category as polio, rubella and small pox for comparison.

    Diphtheria may actually be the closest in comparison with a similar Ro and death rate since we are not getting any reasonable statistics.


    1. This virus spreads very easily and unlike SARS it spreads from people with no symptoms.

    2. It affects both lungs and the entirety of the lung causing inflammation and killing via asphyxiation.

    3. Survival of some patients requires intubation, oxygen, drugs and good hospital care.

    4. Much of our hospital supplies and drugs or drug raw materials are made in China who is now not shipping.

    5. Hospitals do not have bed space for a surge of patients.

    6. The disease is so infectious it is killing doctors and nurses in Wuhan despite personal protective gear.

    No, not everyone requires hospitalization and not everyone dies. HOWEVER the survival rate is DIRECTLY related to good hospital care so limiting and slowing the spread is the target. Reaching that is up to all of us.

    This is why the response of the CDC has been so frustrating. They do not care if they kill off 10 to 15% of the retirees or even older workers.

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  18. Full briefing by Alex Azar was oddly different in tone to that of Rosey’s sister. Here is the full briefing from the WH team.
    Video starts at about 10:45 into the link.

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    1. I’d like to know exactly what time yesterday both the Azar and Messonier (Rosenberg’s sister) briefings took place and if Azar’s was in response to Messonier’s briefing and if hers is what caused the stock market crash.

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      1. In the above video – I learned that Messonier had given her statments prior to this briefing.

        Don’t know if PDJT spurred Azar and Co. to give this briefing, but it is possible, even probable that he did so because of the stock market’s reaction to Messonier.

        I still don’t know the exact timeline, however.


        1. Azar is Messonnier’s boss’s boss’s boss…..

          Azar is secretary of the Health and Human Services Department
          CDC Director is Dr Redfield
          Principle Deputy Director Dr Schuchat
          Deputy Director Dr Butler
          (For infectious Diseases)
          Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases

          She may find she is now ‘director of latrine cleaning’

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      2. This is Messonier’s latest briefing.


        No transcript yet.
        Quick notes:
        195 tests were for those in quarantine from returning from Wuhan.

        More than 1700 medical workers in China are infected

        In the questions it comes out:
        They are having to REFORMULATE the reagent in the test kits. WTF!

        To Chinese Daily — mitigation aka ‘disrupt spread’ close schools…tele-a-medicine.. have plans already in place may see coming up in coming weeks.

        To Reuters — blunt curve by ‘mitigation’ using mathematical models.

        Buzfeed — Serum test many weeks out

        Politico — Asks what about more surveillance? She thanks Congress, funding not problem, using the FLU system already in place she thinks most efficient.


        Friday transcript:

        ….We never expected we’d catch every traveler with novel coronavirus from China. It would be impossible. We’re not seeing spread here in the United States yet, but it is possible, even likely, that it may eventually happen. [If you are not testing how can you say that? — GC]

        Our goal continues to be slowing the introduction of the virus into the U.S. This buys us more time to prepare our communities for more cases and possibly sustained spread. This new virus represents a tremendous public health threat. We don’t yet have a vaccine for this novel virus, nor do we have a medicine to treat it specifically. We are taking and will continue to take aggressive action to reduce the impact of this virus, that it will have on the communities in the U.S….

        THIS IS THE MOAB⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

        I want to direct everyone to a document that will be very informative in terms of what people can expect in the coming weeks if the virus starts spreading in our community. This is an MMWR recommendations and report titled “community mitigation guidelines to prevent pandemic influenza, united states–2017.” we are reviewing the materials and adapting them to COVID-19. These materials will serve as a blueprint for the community interventions we will use here in the U.S. if you’re watching the news, you may be hearing about schools shutting down and businesses closing in countries in Asia to reduce the potential spread of this virus. The day may come where we need to implement such measures in the U.S. communities….

        New information on the test kit:

        There were problems identified with the test kits. That is a normal part, unfortunately, of these processes. We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not. So that is still where we are. We are working with FDA, who is the one that have oversight over us. Under this e.u.a. on redoing some of the kits. We still consider it a priority to get the kits out to patients as soon as possible. It is overridden by the priority to make sure that the test is correct….

        There is certainly more data coming out that suggests that there are people who are reportedly asymptomatic who have this virus with the swab.….

        The current case definition does say that patients that have fever, symptoms of lower respiratory infection, requiring hospitalization, and a history of travel from mainland china meet the case definition for testing…
        Balancing those things going forward, we are going to continue to look at travel history and see when and if there’s the right reasons to expand that beyond China.

        Question from Dan Vergano with “Buzzfeed” news on Squabble on bring home ill people from the Princess.

        Dr. Walters from the State Department:
        With regard to decision making during the evacuation, it is important to remember that this was an emerging and unusual circumstance. We had 328 people on buses. We had a plan. We were executing the plan. Then we received lab results on otherwise asymptomatic, un-ill people that were on their way to an airport. I think the folks on the ground did just the right thing by, out of an abundance of caution, moving those 14 people into an isolation area where they pose no threat to themselves or anyone else. It provided room for an inter-agency discussion between not just CDC and state but the operational elements of HHS, which were from the assistant secretary of preparedness and response. At the end of the day, the state department had a decision to make, informed by our inter-agency partners. We made ahead and made that decision. The decision, i think, was the right one, in bringing those people home.

        Maybe i’ll just add that, you know, these are difficult decisions that we’re faced with every day. We’re making those decisions in real time. When you make those kind of complicated decisions, there are going to be different perspectives that are brought to the table. We are one U.S. government working together, and we will continue to operate under that stance, as we have forever, since this started and as we will into the future. Our focus is on, right now, the forward-looking health of these repatriated citizens, and to continue to manage the response seamlessly within the government…..


        I would not be surprised to find that Messonier’s briefing, or rather the Fake News reports of the briefing and the stock market crash were coordinated by the elite. Doesn’t take much and they have done it before.

        CDC says Americans could see ‘severe disruptions’ with coronavirus, now that disease spread is ‘when’ not ‘if’

        “It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Messonnier said.

        If it BLEEDS IT LEADS…

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        1. The H1N1 coronovirus outbreak of a couple of years was also called a ‘pandemic’ in Azar’s briefing.

          We have come to think of pandemics in movie terms – wiping out large numbers of people and spreading like wildfire… people bleeding out the nose and every orifice like ebola victims.

          The videos and tweets out of China are extremely scary.

          Americans need to be told whether this year’s 2019CoV will produce similar scenarios here in the USA.


    2. Brief summary of the above briefing:

      Secretary Azar stressed 5 areas of their focus for preparedness:

      1 – Surveillance
      2 – Funds for state and local response to outbreaks
      3 – Therapeutics and Diagnostics
      4 – Vaccines
      5 – Funds for personal protective equipment

      One of the officials said they are watching for any disruption of health supply chains.

      Dr. Faucci said it will be next year by the time a vaccine goes through Level 1 and 2 trials and is available for public.

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  19. Can’t make this shit up…


    WHO envoy says if he had Wuhan virus, he’d ‘want to be treated in China’
    WHO doctor heaps praise on CCP’s handling of Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, doubts rest of world is ready

    TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — After touring some areas affected by the Wuhan coronavirus, the World Health Organization (WHO) Assistant Director-General Dr. Bruce Aylward lavished praise on Communist China for its handling of the outbreak and expressed his doubts that many other countries in the world will be able to contain it.

    Despite the fact that at least 77,660 people have been infected with the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) and 2,663 have perished in China, not to mention the 2,765 infections and 47 deaths from the disease outside the country, Aylward patted Chinese authorities on the back for reducing the new number of cases with their “robust” approach. However, much of this “decrease” could actually be attributed to the numerous modifications the government has made to narrow the scope of what is considered “confirmed” cases.


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    1. “WHO envoy says if he had Wuhan virus, he’d ‘want to be treated in China’”

      So he wants to be dumped into a building with 100s of others or WELDED into an apartment and left to die?

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    2. I think it was Tucker, had a guy on last night talking about how corrupt the WHO is – that even their corruption is corrupt. Wants POTUS to stop giving them money.

      POTUS said it tonight, Xi wants people back to work. Their economy is in ruins right now, complete standstill. If manipulating the numbers makes them feel better and gets them back to work well then why not? Chinese people aren’t stupid, they know it’s BS, plus they see the sickness all around them

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    3. “WHO doctor heaps praise on CCP’s handling of Wuhan coronavirus outbreak”
      I’ve seen only one of his briefings, and it was from a couple of weeks ago. Same story: China was handling everything perfectly. Obvious propaganda.

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    1. Seriously NOT GOOD.

      Coronavirus uncontained: First case in U.S. from unknown source is in Northern California

      A person in Northern California has tested positive for the new coronavirus but had not recently traveled to any foreign country where the virus is spreading and had not had contact with any people with confirmed cases, public health officials said Wednesday.

      The case marks the first time that U.S. authorities have not been able to determine the source of a coronavirus infection, and suggests that the virus may be spreading in the community….


      1. From E.M.

        E.M.Smith says:
        27 February 2020 at 3:58 am

        Thanks for that “in the wild” link. Nice to know and saved me spending time to eventually trip over it. Solono Coubty is where Travis is located. My guess would be that there was a failure of containment on the plane, in the unloading / disinfecting, or of the quaranteen facility operations; and the case found is a secondary from that.

        It is about 60 to 80 miles north of me, so likely we’re still safe from it. Today was a last top up supply run. I’m now set for 3 or 4 months…..

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  20. Laura Ingraham did an interview last night with an American official in South Korea.
    He said currently, there is a petition with 800K signatures demanding President Moon’s resignation……. because he was too slow on shutting down the border with China.
    Making President Trump look pretty smart.

    Wow, the health minister in South Korea committed suicide.

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      1. Couple days ago, I read NK quarantined a huge hotel, 1,000+ guests as a precaution. Report included no Corona cases.

        Will try to locate the article, link.

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  22. OH GREAT!

    E.M.Smith says:
    27 February 2020 at 5:04 am
    “Oh great… a flight attendant who worked several flights out of Los Angeles International (LAX) for Korean Air has tested positive. / been diagnised with Covid-19 ( per Stefan Molyneux video).”

    So that makes two ‘In the wild’ cases in the USA.

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  23. David A. @ Chiefio’s asked:
    “Gail, or anyone, I agree the lack of testing from the CDC is piss poor. What can P. Trump do about this? Is he just leaving it to the experts? Are the ” experts” Obama hires?”

    This is my answer:

    As I showed up above, when looking at Nancy Messonnier. Obama increased and strengthened the ‘Protected Class’ of Senior Executive Service (SES) The SES was started under Carter as a ‘bridge between the political appointees and the civil servants’. These are the people within the government resisting President Trump and sabotaging him at every opportunity.

    Executive Order 13714—Strengthening the Senior Executive Service.

    Click to access 2015-32060.pdf

    These are the people who are called the ‘Deep State’ They are the career bureaucrats just below the political appointees who ACTUALLY RUN THE GOVERNMENT. They essentially can not be fired. Andy McCabe is an example of a SES.

    Deep State is a group of 8,156 appointed mangers in 75 federal agencies that control the executive bureaucracy. OUT OF THOSE 8,156 MEMBERS WHO MAKE UP THIS DEEP STATE OF ENSCONCED BUREAUCRATS, OVER 7,000 WERE APPOINTED BY OBAMA.

    These the are the “Obama Holdouts” that still control the executive branch of government.

    ….There are four basic types of appointments:

    * Presidential Appointments with Senate Confirmation: There are 1,212 senior leaders, including the Cabinet secretaries and their deputies, the heads of most independent agencies and ambassadors, who must be confirmed by the Senate.

    * Presidential Appointments without Senate Confirmation: There are 353 positions which make up much of the White House staff, although they are also scattered throughout many of the smaller federal agencies.

    * Non-career Senior Executive Service: Members of the Senior Executive Service (SES) work in key positions just below the top presidential appointees, bridging the gap between the political leaders and the civil service throughout the federal government.

    * Schedule C Appointments: There are 1,403 Schedule C appointees who serve in a confidential or policy role. They range from schedulers and confidential assistants to policy experts.

    * The Senior Executive Service (SES) in 2016 had 8,156 members who were appointees. Obama appointed over 7,000 of them to these key positions. Most of these appointees do not arise from inside the respective agencies through a merit system and often are not qualified.


    Another ‘conspiracy site’ looked at Obama’s EO and found that the SES appointees are indeed EXEMPT from the normal screening process. This meant Obama could appoint people who would normally not pass ‘loyalty to the USA’ screening. Heck they would not even have to be American citizens!

    From the Obama EO cited above.

    ….(iii) Within 90 days of the date of this order, OPM shall evaluate the current Qualifications Review Board (QRB) process and issue guidance to agencies about materials that would be acceptable for QRB consideration and that will serve as an alternative or replacement to the current lengthy essay requirement for QRB submission, which may deter qualified applicants for SES positions or put an additional burden on human resources staff. The guidance shall also advise agencies about ways to streamline their initial application requirements for SES positions, including evaluation of options, such as allowing individuals to apply by only submitting a resume-based application and any additional materials necessary to determine relevant qualifications, consistent with the new QRB submission requirements.

    (iv) Within 120 days of OPM issuing the guidance described in section 3(a)(iii) of this order, the heads of agencies with SES positions shall examine the agency’s career SES hiring process and make changes to the process to make it more efficient, effective, and less burdensome for all participants. Agencies shall simplify the initial application requirements for SES positions consistent with the guidance issued in section 3(a)(iii) of this order, and should only request critically necessary technical qualifications, with the goal of minimizing requirements that may deter qualified applicants from applying….

    should only request critically necessary technical qualifications, with the goal of minimizing requirements that may deter qualified applicants from applying….
    You know like requirement that you not have a criminal record or belong to subversive organizations or be members of the Communist party or Muslim Brotherhood or ISIS or MS13….

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  24. Sewer vents in the USA, by code, are all outdoors and at least 42″ high (so no floodwater would ever get into a sewer system and compromise municipal facilities).
    Apparently, sewer vents in China are often INSIDE an apartment building.
    Explained by a Chinese citizen, it’s why they always keep their windows open.
    Now, scientists are investigating a possible fecal to oral transmission problem.
    Okay, gives new meaning to the phrase, “Eat $hit and Die”

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    1. Daughn as E.M. said flush a toilet and you aerosolize the viruses and they float around in the air for ~20 miuntes. He calls public rest rooms Viral Exchange Facilities.

      Do not forget San Fran FECES and other California and sanctuary cities now have a defecation and peeing on the street problem. That material goes into the storm drains and into the open environment.

      Now they are finding urine contains the virus…. Think of all those smelly subways and bus stops.

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  25. OH F…CK!!!

    We had heard about this and I had addressed it earlier. A re-infection where the antibodies have been reduced below a certain level makes the disease a heck of a lot worse. This follows the Dengue Fever model. DO NOT GET IT TWICE! It may also make a VACCINE DEADLY!
    See video in https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-infections-outside-of-china-are-growing-exponentially/
    Discussion starts at 17 minutes.

    BREAKING NEWS: Recovered Patient In Japan Gets Reinfected. New York Microbiologists Warns That Coronavirus Remains Dormant In Treated Patients But For A While

    Japan health authorities have reported of a Japanese female patient who was reinfected with coronavirus weeks after initial recovery….

    An exposé by Thailand Medical News,
    showed that reinfections were occurring in increasing percentages among so called “recovered” or “cured” patients despite China’s claim that it has the situation under control.

    What is more alarming is that these reinfections always turn out to be more aggressive and fatal the second round time.….

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    1. E.M. explains…

      ADE – Antibody Dependant Enhancement. 2nd round it destroys immune cells first…

      One of the factors in ADE is a mutated serotype. Changed just enough to not be an exact kill for the immune system, but close enough to still bind to the antibody…. said antibody then binding to an immune cell, infecting it, and reducing the immune cell count.


  26. Orange County declares state of emergency; Los Angeles flight attendant tests positive for the coronavirus.


    FTA – Following San Francisco’s state of emergency declaration yesterday, now Orange County has declared a state of emergency due to the coronavirus . . .

    San Diego County officials declared a local emergency in response to the coronavirus on Feb. 14.

    It’s abundantly clear there is an uncontrolled outbreak in California right now, and only 200 people have been tested so far.

    More than 8,000 people are currently under self-quarantine in California. Apparently, almost none of them have been tested at all.

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    1. Here are the story links:
      Orange County Declares State of Emergency to Deal with COVID-19

      San Francisco declared a state of emergency — here’s how the coronavirus is affecting the city, from a company’s handshake ban to canceled conferences

      County declares local state of emergency in response to the coronavirus in San Diego



      Feb 24, 2020
      [Monday] Nancy Pelosi visits San Francisco’s Chinatown to encourage people amid fears of coronavirus

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  27. Up above HERE, I give a synopsis fo Nancy Messonnier’s latest phone call with reporters. She talks of the Tests kits and says the reagent has to be reformulated; that FDA has to approve; that they want a PERFECT test; and that the test is not a real priority. She says she prefers the existing flu monitoring system.

    Also the Los Angeles stewardess was TESTED IN KOREA and not in the USA!!!

    Tired of delays, U.S. labs ask FDA to develop their own coronavirus tests

    CHICAGO (Reuters) – U.S. state and local public health laboratories are seeking permission from the Food and Drug Administration to create their own tests for the new coronavirus as manufacturing and regulatory issues continue to delay access to testing capabilities.

    As of Monday, only five U.S. states – California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada and Tennessee – have the capability to test for the virus, according to the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL).


    The CDC does have something to do with pathology labs, the various Clinical Laboratory Improvement Acts, dating from the 60s. See here: https://www.cdc.gov/clia/law-regulations.html

    At this point I really really want to lock the CDC & FDA in a ordinary ward full of Coronavirus positive people. Maybe THAT will light a fire under their asses!

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  28. More from E.M.

    I added bold and dashes to make the numbers & stuff more readable)

    … BBC reporting the same thing. In China and Japan, 14% of “recovered” patients testing positive for virus again.

    This is going to drastically complicate things…

    27 day latency possible — 9 day surface survival possible. — So 36 before symptoms (unless the person is asymptomatic…) — Then 3 weeks of bring sick. — Then a few days to weeks later positive again ? — For how long? That’s already in the 2 to 3 month range. For one patient.

    OK, this can’t be contained given those numbers.

    2 “in the wild” cases in California. (Though one flew back to Korea). S.Korea doing excellent tracking and public health, has daily doubling time.

    2 – 4 – 8 – 16 – 32 – 64 – 128 – 256 – 512 -1024
    So 10 days to 1 K. 20 days to 1 M. 5 days later, day 25, all of State. [of California – GC]

    OK, so by end of March. California ought to be a basket case (even if doubling time is less) and for that matter, m5 days later all of the USA.

    Well, good news bad news time.

    Good news is that with a 2 month hibernation you ought to be past the worst of it.
    Bad News is it might do an “I’m BAaaack!” For unknown length of time in some folks.

    Figure 3 months at least to get past that point. June 1st.

    Interesting, that. One report on inventory outage / reorder said lots of Chinese suppliers were saying no stock until June… I wonder who knew what when….

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    1. Another very important post hidden by the VIRAL HOLOCAUST PLOT enablers at Akismet and WORDPRESS.

      There is no reason that ANY post by Gail should EVER go into spam. What kind of crap ass operation can’t whitelist her? CRAP ASS OPERATION.

      Why are her most significant posts hidden? WHY?

      WordPress? Akismet? You REALLY want to be a part of this evil?



      Please complain. I’m sick of this virus-enabling shit.


      4th option




    1. With PIGlosi visiting San Francisco China Town and San Francisco now delaring a state of emergency… (remember they got the GOOD test kits)

      They probably should be quarantining PIGlosi and the Dimms she had contact with. 40 days sounds about right. 🤣

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  29. And now the WuFlu got Iran’s ambassador to the Vatican. It’s truly amazing beyond all odds how all of these shady people just keep coming down with the virus!

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