20200218th-29th: Coronavirus COVID-19, Our Fifth Update Thread

Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Almost no one believes China’s numbers, and consider these numbers vastly under-reported.

We still don’t have a firm handle on this virus. The uncertainty leads to fear in a general population. Within this thread, we will share everything we know, culled from multiple sources. Thank you to all who contribute.

A New Kind of Warfare, a Bio-War, or Sudden Contagion:

The idea of a “Bio-Corridor” upon entry into the USA is being openly discussed and necessitates a new thread. This is an entirely new way of thinking and we need time to wrap our heads around the idea. Our goods go through a Customs screening but systems need to be updated and adapted for medical risk. Recently, we’ve seen illegal immigrants bringing measles, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis into our country. Diseases which were eradicated in the USA. A virus like COVID-19 is similar in in RO factor to Measles, but far more hazardous in risk to our citizens and economy. This makes LEGAL border adherence and a strict immigration policy mandatory…… just like those who came through Ellis Island long ago.

Health security has become national security and a globalist economy which only pursues short term profits has left us woefully unprepared. We can’t manufacture penicillin anymore or Vitamin C. Our last aspirin factory left the USA in 2004. We have ONE factory which makes surgical masks and sterile disposable operating room kits. And did you know a Chinese manufacturer recalled 9 million of those kits exported to the USA………. cuz they were contaminated.

With President Trump, we rebuilt a depleted military to fight conventional wars. We also turned our attention to the new war for the 21st century, the cyber war. Our enemies, specifically China, don’t need to devote billions to R&D and testing when they can merely steal our weapons systems for pennies on the dollar. Yet, how do we prepare for this war, the bio-war? Our supply chain and food supply must change. The USA is an MEGA exporter of Agri-products, BECAUSE our procedures and safety protocols are the best. We need country of origin labels on our food. Our ability to manufacture medicines must change. And China’s balance sheet and CCP subsidies must be dealt with, severely.

Here’s how the problem was created: Since China joined the WTO, they have successfully targeted entire industries to become the manufacturer to the world. In the USA, the “west”, and even India, companies operate on a profit/loss statement. They have to make money, otherwise, they go out of business. To gain dominance, China offers subsidies to their industries in the form of free energy, free water, capitol to build a factory, free land, or the most common way…. rolling of their bank loans. Remember, a rolling bank loan carries no loss. With this amount of subsidy, no private company in the USA/Belgium/ or India or Canada could possibly compete….. which is why Wall Street sent our factories to China.

Most economists believe China is carrying about 40-45 trillion in debt, about 3.5x’s their annual GDP, an amount equal to the USA having an 88 trillion dollar debt load. Everything ticks along nicely in China as long as the debt never comes due……….. With COVID-19, the debt is coming due.

Trump Administration timeline of action on Coronavirus:

Impact of COVID-19 on China’s Economy:

  • China has thrown billions into their local banks and reduced ratio of cash reserves to lending, and China was low on USD reserves due to tariff war with USA. The Chinese central bank plans to pump $22 billion into the economy amid reports that the coronavirus or COVD19 will lower the expected growth of China’s economy from 2.1% to 1.2%. It’s likely to be far worse.
  • Feb 20th, Goldman Sachs announces Coronavirus expected to impact up to 1% of GDP about a trillion dollars globally, market sinks 300 points https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Feb 24th, market opens down 997 points, begins slow slog back on fears of Coronavirus spreading outside China.
  • February 25th, another 900+ points, down. Over-reaction and media pushing fear.
  • Feb 20th, Proctor and Gamble (owns Yum brands) announces coronavirus will negatively impact Q1 revenue and earnings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Feb 20th – 34 Members of a church in South Korea have tested positive for Coronavirus, US Army shutting down portion of base there, theaters and commissary. Update on Feb 24th – over 800 people in South Korea test positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • February 26 – Over 1800 infected in South Korea, per Laura Ingraham interview with Americans in South Korea. Towns the size of Kansas City and no traffic on streets.
  • February 26th, per Laura Ingraham Show, over 800,000 people in South Korea calling for impeachment of President Moon…… because he did not shut down the border with China fast enough. (Guess President Trump is looking pretty smart)
  • Adidas and Reebok in Germany reporting sales down 90% in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Auto Sales in China, down 92% in February, according to Gordan Chang/FOX Biz.
  • Coal usage in China is down 50%. China gets 70% of electricity production from coal…. per Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Estate sales almost completely shut down. Gov’t revenue is highly dependent on real estate tax on sales. In a city of 20 million, we might see 5-10 sales a day. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Local Transportation cars/trains running at 15-20% of normal, China economy flat-lining. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Food Inflation up 10%, pork inflation up 100%. One of the biggest fears in China is famine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Amazon taking drastic action to get materials out of China and hold steady on Supply Chain (per Fox Biz, February 24th)
  • Toy Manufacturers concerned about Christmas items (last of our concerns right now)
  • Containers already in route to USA, carrying medical supplies, latex gloves, masks, surgical kits, etc., ordered returned to China. (FOX Biz Feb 24th)
  • Yield on the 10yr US Treasury bond almost hits all time low at 1.37% (Feb 24th) as foreign investors flood into safety of US Treasuries
  • Oil prices down, on report of oil use DOWN in China(Feb 24th), we knew it weeks ago.
  • Local Chinese business are reporting only 3 weeks of cash on hand
  • How many factory workers can survive 6 weeks without a paycheck?
  • Layoffs have begun in China to save the businesses
  • Chinese students in the USA report they cannot return home because mom/dad can’t afford to bring them home (not working), even if they could get a flight.
  • Hotel occupancy in Hong Kong is in single digits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • 20% of Hong Kong restaurants expected to fail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • January Chinese auto sales are down 20%+
  • Lumens (the measurement of light) at night from satellites over China is down 30-35% year over year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Railroad traffic, measured by satellite is almost at a standstill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Reefer Units (a container which carries refrigerated goods) is plugged in when it arrives at port to maintain temperature. As of today, there are no more “plug-ins” available in the entire country. Shipping is at a standstill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Oil shipments have shut down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
  • Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
  • Apple missed quarterly earnings in the USA and forecasts delays in delivery.
  • Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
  • China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
  • Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus (and a dumb idea about imposing a higher local sales tax more responsible for Japan lag in economy than COVID-19)
  • South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
  • Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
  • Feb 24th, northern Italy shuts down. Milan described as a “ghost town”. Venice Carnival is cancelled. Schools, museums, theaters, religious events, all closed until March 1st, and re-assess. 55% of Italy’s GDP comes from this region.


How did COVID-19 start? What was the source?

We heard all kinds of rumors about the origins for COVID-19. First it was bat-soup, then Pandolins, but almost immediately we had a “conspiracy theory” about a bio-weapon accident/escape from a Level 4 lab in Wuhan, coincidentally close to the wet market. Did Coronavirus COVID-19 originate in Chinese government bio-weapon laboratory? Scientists believe killer disease may have begun in research facility 300 yards from Wuhan wet fish market. Senator Tom Cotton raised the possibility, was criticized, and proven correct by a study released on Feb 21st. Chinese Ambassador did not directly answer question in mid-February. Immediately CCP media calls out Tom Cotton. Odd…… Here are articles discussing the possibility:


What are the chances for vaccine for COVID-19?

Remdisovir, an AIDS drug is being discussed and we have some reports of success. Peter Navaro of the Trump Administration indicated approximately 100K doses would be available by the end of February as manufacturer of the drug, Gilead Sciences gears up production.

Other experts woefully admit it will be difficult to create a vaccine for Coronavirus, and even if they could, if everything went perfectly, it would be at least November before a vaccine would be available. Here are a few sources discussing the issue:


Snapshot information and stories from around the world:

  • Cruise Ship docked and quarantined in Japan, the Diamond Princess, docked off Yokohama: had 600+ infected persons, of 3700 passengers. Americans were evacuated from the ship, evacuated from Japan and flown home by the State Dept. 14 tested positive, now quarantined in Nebraska, and at military bases in Texas and California.
  • Feb 20th, first two passengers from Diamond Princess have died from Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th.
  • Official Death toll is 2,800+ (Updated 10:00pm Eastern, February 26, 2020) (could be thousands more) (current “official” dashboard from Johns Hopkins is located at top of thread)
  • 82,163 confirmed cases (could be thousands to millions) confirmed worldwide (Updated 10:00pm Eastern, February 26, 2020) (current “official” dashboard from Johns Hopkins is located at top of thread)
  • Hardest hit is Hubei province, healthcare system is overloaded, but we’re seeing death tolls reported from Jilin, to Sichuan, to Guangdong to Chongqing – it’s all over China.
  • Over 863 Police in China infected because of secondary contact.
  • Japan is second hardest hit. Party on board a boat seems to be the source tracked to 11 who are infected, virus spread from there.
  • Singapore has over 80 active cases.
  • Rumors of problems with virus in Thailand among sex workers. Statistics not being reported.
  • Feb 20th, Sacred Muslim city of Qom, Iran, about 80 miles south of Tehran, has reported 50 cases of Coronavirus, city is shutting down.
  • Feb 24th, Heshmat Alavi reports as many as 18,000 cases in Iran and serious problems with infection in Iranian prisons.
  • Cruise passengers from Diamond Princess released and flown home. Of 11 Israelis flown home one tests positive.
  • 3600+ Healthcare workers infected in China, over 1700 said to be in “serious condition”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • As much as 55-60% of China’s physicians have less than a Bachelors degree. Nurses are poorly trained. Latex gloves are rare. Procedure and sterile protocols common in the USA are not so common in China, AND the further we get from large metro centers, the worse it is. Interesting discussion with the Director of Apple News in Hong Kong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Director of Surgery for Wuhan’s most prestigious hospital, Dr Liu Zhiming, 51, died this morning (02/17/2020) after ‘all-out rescue efforts failed’, according to state broadcaster CCTV – resolving a state of confusion last night after local officials reported his death before later denying it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013267/Head-Wuhan-hospital-dies-coronavirus-Chinese-media.html
  • More contagious than Seasonal Flu, Spanish Flu, or SARS.
  • WHO team was allowed into China February 9th. USA has been offering assistance to China since January 6th. WHO team will be confined to Beijing, NOT allowed to travel to Wuhan, only allowed to look at data (which is unreliable).
  • USA delivered 100 million dollars of AID to China to battle the virus.
A map of Chinese provinces will help us get oriented within the country.


Where to go for more information:

Exceptionally valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004? Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C? Did you know tainted heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?

Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make you scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.

Episodes 18 and 19 discuss a great deal of the economic impact. Resources/interviews include the Director for Apple News In Hong Kong (discusses the healthcare system in communist China), and an associate professor at Fulbright in Saigon who analyzes the microeconomics of China (he’s the one measuring the lumens in China at night). Episode 19 discusses how the USA and India can address the problem of pharma and China virus.


Gail Combs reports and does a DEEP DIVE:

Gail Combs, fellow Treeper, is one of our best researchers. I believe she is a physicist. Wish I could give you her whole bio, yet this is the internet.… Gail has agreed to compile valuable info for us all, found below. Thank you, Gail! And thank you to BakoCarl for more resource links!


1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false positive. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.

2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.

In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)

3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)

Surface Survival of the Virus

4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”

Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1

”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.”
 – Larry L.

76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.

5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.

6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.

7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)

Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:

…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:

♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily,
♦️ it is more contagious than SARS,
♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.

This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.

As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *


The virus is probably ‘free’ here in the USA. I t is more severe for men, especially older men and older people with chronic inflammatory disease. It requires a long hospital stay. Children may show little sign of the disease.

“What we think will happen over the next several weeks, will be more and more cases will begin to show up that have no obvious contact back to China,” –Michael Osterholm, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

THEREFORE the goal is to prevent rapid spread of the disease especially to those over 50 so the hospitals are not overwhelmed. IF the system is overwhelmed the elderly WILL NOT GET CARE!

1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors


If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.

Interesting items on survival times for various bugs on different surfaces and conditions.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/ ~ or ~ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850217302239

Removing Gloves

”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles 

For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.

How to properly wear a mask- short video in link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1221247891714514945


Larry Ledwick  has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:

Many people wonder what they can do to NOT get the virus. If we think of Coronavirus like a “super-flu”, it makes sense to follow good general hygiene principles, eat well, and get plenty of rest. Here are some extra hints from Gail.

High dose Vit C for anti viral activity.

Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.

Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.

In summary:

What dosage?
Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7]
…The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea…..
But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..

Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….

Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..

B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically…..
Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential

What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?


Debunking of side effects:

From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.

ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.

ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.

ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.

VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.

So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids

Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.

NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!

…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders


DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)

For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System

I recommend looking for the scientific studies (pro and con) that actually support the claims of any health remedy not prescribed by a doctor as I have done above.

DISCLAIMER: I am a chemist and not a doctor. This is just a compilation from comments at both sites that may be of interest to readers. Think for your self!

Logical thinking.

567 thoughts on “20200218th-29th: Coronavirus COVID-19, Our Fifth Update Thread

  1. Weirder than snake shoes….

    What is REALLY interesting is previously it was reported:
    CDC had run just 426 tests by Feb 24

    Now, THREE DAYS LATER the numbers are 3,625 patients tested by CDC???

    Who was hiding the other 3200 tests?

    …February 24th, 2020, 11:59 AM
    Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
    Updated February 24, 2020

    CDC is closely monitoring an outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a novel (new) coronavirus. The outbreak first started in Wuhan, China, but cases have been identified in a growing number of other international locations, including the United States. This page will be updated regularly on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

    COVID-19: Confirmed Cases in the United States*†

    Travel-related 12
    Person-to-person spread 2
    Total confirmed cases 14
    Total tested 426

    † Numbers closed out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
    ‡ Cases have laboratory confirmation and may or may not have been symptomatic.


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    1. Gail (and white hats)

      One of the American communist assets that operated as an insider for the top commies in the CA3 plot (red diaper sparrow) got connected with HIV research on the ground floor – very early – 1980s – I’m thinking TOP LEVEL spy for their side. Track that stuff forward in time, and there will be connections into the top of viral research – guaranteed embeds in CDC and pharmaceutical industry.

      I’m betting money there will be NAMES in SES that track back to this player, if not that player.

      White hats will know who I’m talking about. These names would be involved in any plot using CDC to take down Trump.

      The M.O. would likely be a self-immolation scandal like Watergate to try to generate a cover-up, and barring that, to FAKE a cover-up, or draw people into what can be misconstrued as a cover-up.

      Bottom line – DIAPER-HUNT in CDC, including spouses.

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      1. Nancy Messonnier is certainly looking like another Vindman or Eric Cinderella.

        If Dr Boyle was correct about the Chinese using The University of North Carolina for bioweapon research…

        Not only were the UNC researchers joined by Professor Zhengli Shi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but there was also a researcher, Dr S. Agnihothram, from the FDA participating.

        The funding came from the National Institutes of Health (Dr Francis S. Collins directorsince 2009)
        The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious disease. (Dr. Anthony Fauci director since 1984)
        AND a National Natural Science Foundation of China award.

        “…it says at the end, “the current manuscript has been reviewed by the funding agency, the National Institutes of Health. Continuation of these studies have been requested and approved by the National Institutes of Health.” Notice the National Institutes of Health under Fauci is funding this…”

        So you have BOTH Dr Francis S. Collins and Dr. Anthony Fauci involved.

        Dr Boyle goes on:

        DR BOYLE: ….It’s weaponized coronavirus. They also conclude that they really couldn’t find an antibody against it.

        …. let me continue here where they say their new DNA genetically engineered virus constitutes a gain in pathogenesis. That’s a gain of function right there; they admit it. Pathogenesis means lethality and infectiousness and we know that even Lancet has said lethality is about 15%. If you disaggregate numbers even put out by the Chinese government, it’s about 17%. So, together these data represent a crossroads of gain of function research concerns and they just make it clear they’re going to continue anyway. They also point out that they involved HIV based pseudo virus, prepared as previously described

        ALEX JONES: –which is what the Indians found….

        DR BOYLE:…. in USA Today, Tony Fauci admits that the lethality rate of MERS is about 36%, whereas SARS is 10%. This Wuhan is 15% to 17%.….

        …..they know full well that they were paying this North Carolina lab in cooperation with the Wuhan BSL-4 lab and program to develop biological warfare weapons….

        The paper:
        “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.”

        I looked it up:

        My original comment:

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    2. President Trump is surely all over the testing numbers. Why the hell ~400 after four weeks. Obviously wrong. Now ~3,500 tests. Pence and key folks vigorously probing facts and asking tough questions.

      In the interim, D-rats will exploit and through innuendo, cause alarms.

      Rocky times ahead, but we’ll come out ahead.

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        1. Now there is a happy thought!

          Wasn’t it just last week ketchup man was in Germany with a D-Rat Senator and Iranian schmuck?

          Gosh. Could karma be rearing its ugly head 😉


      1. I am sure they DID know. Remember the smuggled samples from the Canadian Lab were caught in Spring of last year.

        UNC was doing the research on bio-weapons for the Chinese (2015 paper) and we are seeing in the news a lot of universities getting caught taking bribes as well as professors.

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        1. I found this the most telling:

          After 4 years of research funded by Israel’s Ministry of Science & Technology, MIGAL’s researchers have developed an effective vaccine against avian coronavirus Infectious Bronchitis Virus (IBV), to be adapted soon and create a human vaccine against COVID-19

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      1. Thanks Wolfie.

        As far as a China PSYOPS…

        I do not think so. It gives President Trump too much leverage in prying factories out of China and back into the USA

        Could it have started out as a way to tank the economy and tank President Trump?

        Yes I think so but I think the virus got away from the Chinese and President Trump acted fast enough to stop/slow it here in the USA.

        Now the Demonrats are trying to figure out how to use the situation they have now and THAT is why President Trump has VP Pence riding herd on the government’s response team. Pence can literally make it his full time job.

        You can tell by the howls in the media that it is spiking the Demonrats plans.

        If this is like most viruses, if we can keep it contained until May/June the hot weather & solar UV should take care of the problem.

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  3. Mom and I were talking about this and we came up with a few questions. If this is the wrong place to post it well oops. 🙂

    -If “Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down” how long would that take to even get it up and running again? Since they don’t have the highway systems we have?

    -The people who have it in the USA I assume we don’t know race/age/gender ec?

    -If I was a company that had a plant in China (and no wonder WHY they all moved over there) I’d be trying to get one up and running in the USA or India or somewhere but China.

    -Which leads to maybe this will encourage more companies to make it in America again!!!

    -In the end, seems like China ends up losing the most (????) Has the world woken up?

    -Things like Military Experts at CPAC Warn China Is Trying to ‘Strangle Us’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/27/military-experts-at-cpac-warn-china-is-trying-to-strangle-us/

    Ummmm well yeah under anyone else but Trump maybe

    -Notice all these viruses pop up from China and not say India or South America or other places really.

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      1. Wolfie,
        Here is something tasty for that cat to chew on. At the Wuhan Lab they were working on a vaccine that got around the ADE problem and had at least some success.

        14 March 2018
        Evaluation of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of SARS-CoV Infection in Rhesus Macaques Immunized with an Inactivated SARS-CoV Vaccine
        ▶️ Fan Luo, Fan-Lu Liao, Hui Wang, Hong-Bin Tang, Zhan-Qiu Yang & Wei Hou ◀️

        ….Vaccine-induced enhancement of susceptibility to SARS-CoV has been documented….

        We previously reported that an inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine effectively elicits a neutralizing and protective antibody response in rhesus macaques …. Thus, to ensure the safety of the vaccine in clinical use, the present study examined whether the vaccine can trigger ADE.

        It has been demonstrated that higher concentrations of anti-sera against SARS-CoV neutralized the SARS-CoV infection, while highly diluted anti-sera significantly increased the SARS-CoV infection and triggered ADE effects. Moreover, the low levels of neutralizing antibodies are more consistent in the context of vaccination of the general population. The findings from the low neutralizing antibody stage challenges were promising. Therefore, to determine the ADE of the inactivated SARS-CoV vaccine, we first established the model with low levels of neutralizing antibodies….
        …The results suggested that the inactivated vaccine was safe and the immunized rhesus macaques could be used as the model for testing ADE of the candidate vaccine….

        Next, we used the above-established model to evaluate the correlation between the vaccine and the infection severity.
        …herefore, in our present study, although the clinical and histopathological observations, and viral assays indicated that the virus infection was not enhanced, we believe that an in vitro ADE assay should also be performed to examine whether the immune sera induced by inactivated vaccine can mediate ADE in some cell lines such as K562, THP-1 cells, and monkey’s peripheral blood mononuclear cells. Moreover, we need to investigate the molecular mechanisms and responses to antibody-mediated infection in vitro.

        In conclusion, the clinical, virological, and pathological findings presented in this study revealed no exacerbation of infection in the rhesus macaques immunized with the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine following challenge with SARS-CoV NS-1. Therefore, these results preliminarily indicated that low levels of antibodies induced by the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine may not induce ADE in rhesus macaques, and the vaccine could be a good candidate for clinical trials.

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    1. These are my opinions.

      1. President Trump has been trying to encourage companies to move back to the USA. This will certainly help.

      2. President Trump didn’t go to India just for fun and games. I am sure FACTORIES were a major part of the conversation.

      3. This is a YUGE wake-up call to Americans and Congress that we HAVE TO HAVE strategic materials MADE IN THE USA PERIOD.

      4. China NATIONALIZING 3M masks is going to scare the crap out of CEOs

      Getting new factories up and running is a couple of years. It could possibly be less if President Trump waives a lot of the regs.

      As far as China goes…. Depends on how many critical workers they lost. E.M., I think it was suggested June before China gets back to ‘normal’ if then.

      “Notice all these viruses pop up from China”

      That is due to how they handle human and animal waste.

      Still found as late as 2005 —
      “A pig toilet (sometimes called a “pig sty latrine”) is a simple type of dry toilet consisting of an outhouse mounted over a pigsty, with a chute or hole connecting the two. The pigs consume the feces of the users of the toilet, as well as other food.”

      “In China, “Family dwellings are commonly built close to the fish pond with toilets overhanging the pond to facilitate fertilization. … Some pigsties as well as latrines for humans are built on the adjacent dike so as to overhang the pond.” But by 1988, these fish pond toilets were falling out of favour, as the farmers found it more useful to ferment human and pig excrement together, and apply it to the aquaculture ponds as needed”

      Then you can add the geese and ducks on the fish pond, the insects attracted to the pond and the bats eating those insects….

      Round and Round the viruses go recombining RNA at random.

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      1. Thanks Gail. 🙂 Letting Mom read your comments now!

        The only funny thing is when I traveled to India they always joke about not if you get sick but when. LOL Oh how true.

        I agree this is a wake up call for many. I do know that with Trump leading the way we will survive this storm.

        daughn has said a few times India and China do not get along. Also, notice one hardly heard anything about POTUS trip. Or deals for that matter. Had it not been for the tree well I would not have known.

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        1. There has been violence alone the India/China border with China trying to grab more territory. I read about it a while ago but it was withing the last decade or so.


      2. No other country has the sophisticated safe sanitation – garbage and sewage – practices as the USA.

        Our hospitals are generally above all others.

        We have more beds per capita than most other countries.

        Socialist medical care is not top-level or comparable to US health care.

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      3. This is why I do not consume seafood from any Asian country. I have been to China, Indonesia, Thailand etc. and seen first hand how human sewage runs into farm raised seafoods. I stick to wild Alaskan salmon and some gulf shrimp.


  4. From the article: President Trump May Invoke Defense Production Act to Rapidly Expand Manufacturing of Protective Masks and Clothing


    President Donald Trump’s administration is considering invoking special powers through a law called the Defense Production Act to rapidly expand domestic manufacturing of protective masks and clothing to combat the coronavirus in the United States, two U.S. officials told Reuters.

    The use of the law, passed by Congress in 1950 at the outset of the Korean War, would mark an escalation of the administration’s response to the outbreak. The virus first surfaced in China and has since spread to other countries including the United States.

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    1. ^^^ Makes great sense to this fool.

      – Get PPE manufacturing going. Many countries not exporting PPE that is a must have.

      – Meds / prescriptions that we can’t immediately source elsewhere.

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      1. YES!
        And it gives corporations incentive to GET “ER DONE NOW!

        Also remember all the $$$ the DemonRats want to toss at the problem….

        PLEASE Mr Fox, don’t toss me into the brier patch!

        THEY may think they get a lot of pork and kick backs but Mick Mulvaney and his crew will make sure it is used properly.

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        1. Read here, Chiefio, or in a video yesterday, the funds requested may not all be used.

          In reality Federal funds available have not been fully obligated.

          Agree, Mulvaney and others will not simply allow funds to be frittered away, simply because funds are available.


  5. About that Iran outbreak:

    “The majority of Iran’s cases have been linked to Qom, a major religious destination for Shiite pilgrims 85 miles south of Tehran.” It is also within thirty miles of Iran’s nuclear “research” facility, staffed by numerous scientists from mainland China.


  6. From our local Hospital

    Coronavirus myths and facts

    Feb. 24, 2020—There’s a lot of information out there about the new coronavirus, now named COVID-19. And not all of it is correct.

    For example, is it true that COVID-19 can be killed by a hand dryer? No. Is there a vaccine for this new virus? Not yet, but researchers are working on it.

    COVID-19 is a new respiratory virus first identified in Wuhan, Hubei Province, in China. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses. Some of them cause illness in people, and some circulate among animals, such as camels, cats and bats. This virus probably came from an animal source but is now spreading from person to person. We don’t yet know the specific animal it originated from.

    With all the information out there about COVID-19, how can you know what’s true and what’s not? The best source for good information in the U.S. is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). So let’s bust a few myths with facts from CDC and the World Health Organization:

    Myth: It’s OK to travel to China as long as you stay out of Wuhan.

    Fact: CDC is recommending that people avoid all nonessential travel to China. As for other international travel, CDC says its recommendations are evolving. So it’s best to check CDC’s coronavirus travel notices before planning an overseas trip.

    Myth: Face masks are an important tool in preventing COVID-19.

    Fact: CDC does not recommend that most healthy people wear a face mask to protect themselves from this or other respiratory viruses. A face mask should only be used by people who have been exposed to COVID-19 and are feeling sick or those who know they have it. This may help protect others from getting infected. Healthcare workers and other people caring for someone with COVID-19 also need to wear face masks.

    Myth: I should avoid contact with my pet, in case it has the virus.

    Fact: COVID-19 is spreading from person to person in the U.S. If you are in China, CDC recommends avoiding all animals, alive or dead. But there is no reason to think that any animals or pets in the U.S. might be a source of infection.

    It’s still a good idea to wash your hands with soap and water after contact with pets. This protects you from common bacteria like E. coli and salmonella. And if you’re sick with COVID-19, you shouldn’t handle pets or other animals.

    Myth: I should avoid touching packages or letters from China.

    Fact: It’s safe to handle mail from China. Coronaviruses don’t live long on objects, so you’re not going to be infected by packages from China.

    Myth: The flu and pneumonia shots may protect you from coronavirus.

    Fact: The pneumococcal and flu vaccines will not protect against COVID-19. But they are important for other reasons. Almost everyone 6 months and older needs a flu shot every year. Kids under 2 years, adults over 65, people who smoke and people with certain medical conditions need the pneumococcal vaccine.

    Myth: Antibiotics are effective against COVID-19.

    Fact: Antibiotics can’t fight viruses, like COVID-19. They only work against bacteria. If you’re hospitalized with COVID-19, however, you might be given antibiotics to prevent co-infection with bacterial pneumonia. As of this date, there is no specific medicine recommended to prevent or treat COVID-19.

    Myth: COVID-19 only affects older people.

    Fact: People of all ages can be infected with COVID-19. However, older people and people with chronic conditions (such as asthma, diabetes or heart disease) are at higher risk of becoming seriously ill with the virus.

    Myth: The new coronavirus has sickened more people in the U.S. than the flu.

    Fact: The flu is much more widespread. For example, this flu season in the U.S., CDC estimates that the flu has:

    Made between 22 million and 31 million people ill.
    Put as many as 370,000 people in the hospital.
    Caused between 12,000 and 30,000 deaths.
    By comparison, there are only 53 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. so far.

    Take steps to stay healthy

    To help protect yourself from COVID-19, the flu and other illnesses, CDC recommends everyone follow these healthy practices:

    Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
    Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands.
    Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom, before eating, and after blowing your nose, coughing or sneezing.
    Use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer when soap and water isn’t available.
    Stay home when you are sick.
    Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue away.
    Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces with a regular household cleaner.
    Read more breaking news


    1. Someone posted in an earlier thread:
      Corona viruses are enveloped (they have a part human/part viral outer envelope membrane that is acquired during budding). For this reason, an alcohol hand sanitizer is reasonably effective against corona and adeno induced colds (it denatures the envelope membrane rendering the virus unable to infect a cell).

      Sanitizer dispensers are installed at the door of every hospital room these days for a reason. The doctors in our family use them without fail.

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      1. Use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer when soap and water isn’t available.

        Actually you need a hand sanitizer with alcohol PLUS another ingredient that I can not remember. In trying to find that ingredient I found this:

        How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?

        …The new coronavirus, also known as 2019-nCoV, displays many of the same characteristics as the MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) and SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) viruses, which also belong to the coronavirus family of viruses. The 2019-nCoV coronavirus spreads by human-to-human contact via droplets, contaminated hands, and contaminated surfaces. It takes about two to ten days before its flu-like symptoms appear…..

        How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?
        One of their primary goals was to assess how long does coronavirus live on surfaces, and whether there are any effective measures that can be taken to lower the risk of infection. This information is especially valuable to healthcare providers, who face the highest risk of infection. It is also valuable to anyone who has been in close contact with someone infected with 2019-nCoV.

        The research team evaluated studies of the MERS and SARS viruses. They determined that the viruses can live on surfaces and remain infectious for up to nine days. The average survival rate was four to five days, but low temperature and high humidity increase their lifespan.

        The study also evaluated different cleaning solutions at different concentrations and their effect on the lifespan of the viruses. The solutions were made from alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, bleach, benzalkonium chloride, or chlorhexidine digluconate.

        The researchers found that solutions of 62-71% alcohol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide, and 0.1% bleach were the most effective at disinfecting surfaces from the viruses. Solutions of 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride and 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate were not as effective at killing the virus on surfaces and preventing further spread of the infection.

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        1. Very good!

          I’ve divided my Corona Virus Material into 3 pages because it got so long:

          1. Science

          2. Prevention – diet, supplements, cleaning, sanitizing.

          3. Politicization, Sensationalism, Weaponizing against Trump/conservatives

          Now I can find things better. However, I’m leaving the ‘bioweapon’ links in the science folder.

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      2. Since I am stubborn, I also found this:

        Do Hand Sanitizers Work and Does Hand Sanitizer Kill Coronavirus

        It looks like that added ingredient Larry L suggested may have just got banned by the FDA…

        ..In may be news to you but back in April of 2019, the FDA banned 28 chemicals from being used in hand sanitizers due to safety concerns. A decision that leaves manufacturers with only 3 approved active ingredient options:

        Isopropyl Alcohol
        Ethyl Alcohol
        Benzalkonium Chloride [Used in non-alcohol sanitizers – gc]

        Which 4 Hand Sanitizers Were Tested and were able to Kill SARS Viral Particles?

        Sterillium Rub 80% Ethanol
        Sterillium Gel 85% Ethanol
        Sterillium Virugard 95% Ethanol

        if you see a hand sanitizer that say’s “kills SARS or “Kills Wuhan or Novel Coronavirus” they are not complying with FDA regulations of OTC (over the counter) claims .

        In fact as our research unfolds for this article, the makers of Purell, have just been warned by the FDA to STOP making claims that their ethanol-based hand sanitizer could be effective for controlling the spread of some deadly pathogens….


        But, there have been favorable studies…at least two that tested whether or not hand sanitizers could kill the SARS coronavirus.

        Study 1

        A 2005 study (link) out of Germany that proved certain hand sanitizers were capable of killing the 2002 SARS Coronavirus and that research is hard for anyone to ignore. Lucky for us (consumers) we are not mandated to ignore studies. Especially when we’re simply trying to equip our cars, purses, and desk drawers with a best-guess method of sanitizing our hands……

        If the above global studies aren’t enough to convince you that hand sanitizers work, then this message from our nation’s own CDC should help:

        “An alcohol-based hand sanitizer is the preferred method for cleaning your hands when they are not visibly dirty because it:“

        ♦️ Is more effective at killing potentially deadly germs on hands than soap
        ♦️ Is easier to use during the course of care, especially
        ♦️ when moving from soiled to clean activities with the same patient or resident
        ♦️ when moving between patients or residents in shared rooms or common areas
        ♦️ Improves skin condition with less irritation and dryness than soap and water

        And do not miss this great tidbit about my home away from home.

        National Center of Biotechnology Information

        For those of you unfamiliar with the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), prepare to be amazed. Essentially, NCBI is part of the US National Library of Medicine and home to an enormous database which stores research studies conducted across the world. Much of it is off limits to the general public, but other parts and studies are available to common folk like us.

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        1. Thanks so much! I have used the NLM and Pub Med many times over the years, for my daughter’s disease and other family maladies, plus to bolster knowledge for posting on comment threads.


    2. “Coronaviruses don’t live long on objects, so you’re not going to be infected by packages from China.”

      NOPE, That is incorrect Coronaviruses can live a long time on certain surfaces like stainless steel. WORSE that mis-information may make people unaware of person to object to person transfer:

      Transmission of SARS and MERS coronaviruses and influenza virus in healthcare settings: the possible role of dry surface contamination.

      Viruses with pandemic potential including H1N1, H5N1, and H5N7 influenza viruses, and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)/Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) coronaviruses (CoV) have emerged in recent years. SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and influenza virus can survive on surfaces for extended periods, sometimes up to months. Factors influencing the survival of these viruses on surfaces include: strain variation, titre, surface type, suspending medium, mode of deposition, temperature and relative humidity, and the method used to determine the viability of the virus….

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    3. This is getting ridiculous….

      E.M.Smith says:
      28 February 2020 at 5:21 am
      Watching S.Korean update on Arirang: now over 2000 csses st 2022 confirmed. Testing something like 28,000 across Kirea.

      They are aggressively getting on top of it, but man this is blowing up fast.

      Their update is extraordinarily complete and precise. We ought to outsource our CDC to them… actually lists number of masks and full body protection kits shipped to Daegu.


      E.M.Smith says:
      28 February 2020 at 5:43 am
      OMG! S. Korea has set up a drive thru Covid test center. Nearly instant testing done while you stay in your car. We are so outclassed.


      jim2 says:
      28 February 2020 at 1:23 pm
      On CBS just a while ago (Friday morning) had on a Dr. He said there WILL be quarantines in the US and for people to stock up at least 2 weeks of food. He said children will be kept home, so prepare for that and some might have to do school remotely.

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      1. Aren’t Asians are more vulnerable to these coronaviruses?

        Through the years, has US had anything like the number of infections to MERS, SARS, H1N1 or the WuFlu as the Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.?


      2. I made a huge pot of vegetable beef soup and will probably make a big pot of chicken stock to add rice, noodles, parsley, celery, carrots etc. for variety.

        I bought a couple of bags of oranges.

        Will also buy some diet cokes, cheese, crackers, etc, to go with the soups.


  7. E.M.Smith says:

    Watching S.Korean update on Arirang: now over 2000 csses st 2022 confirmed. Testing something like 28,000 across Kirea.

    They are aggressively getting on top of it, but man this is blowing up fast.

    Their update is extraordinarily complete and precise. We ought to outsource our CDC to them… actually lists number of masks and full body protection kits shipped to Daegu.


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  8. European Nightmare As Turkey “Opens The Gates” On Refugees While Covid-19 Ravages Nearby Iran

    As coronavirus ravages Iran and threatens to spread through the broader Middle East, potentially hitting refugee and war-torn populations hardest, it appears Erdogan is now making good on prior threats to “open the gates” of a flood of refugees on Europe. On Friday top Turkish officials were quoted as saying Turkey has no choice but to “loosen” its stance on the some 3.4 million refugees it is hosting….

    Turkey has announced it has opened its until now sealed border with Idlib for at least 72 hours, and will allow unhindered passage of refugees to Europe.

    The European Union is downplaying the fact that crowds of Syrian refugees have already been seen en route to Greece via land borders as well as the Aegean Sea….

    Greece appears to be responding by completely shutting any Turkish border access point to any and all traffic….

    …according to The Guardian: “Turkish news agency Demirören showed footage of what it said was 300 people, including women and children, walking on highways and through forested land in north-west Turkey towards the EU border early on Friday. Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Pakistanis and Moroccans were among those in the group, it said.”…

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    1. Everything is fine here. Went today and no one has full carts. Shelves are good. Costco yesterday and its the same thing, ever flowing abundance of stuff. Concerning the dog food aisle on the daily mail article. Lots of dog food comes from China so not surprised to see that shelf not filled. However most of the stores shown and their condition is very typical of many grocery stores. Also the paper aisle. Lots of certain brands but others empty. It just looks like they ran out of toilet paper and no one wants the other stuff which is fully stacked.

      Meanwhile their map shows 60 cases in the US but if you count the numbers your going to come up with less than 40. The Hopkins map has 62 but again if you count the numbers you come up with less than 40 and that’s after adding what you know is supposed to be in Nebraska which Hopkins dosn’t show for some reason. Meanwhile lots of the numbers you do count, I think I mentioned 6 earlier in another post, are recovered. Which leads me to ask. How long will they keep the numbers for the recovered on the maps. They do the same for the countries, giving them a red dot, but if you check the one or two are already recovered. Okay back to the US numbers, where are the other 20? Are they in another country? Seriously it looks like they have a numbers boosting campaign. Pence needs to tell these people to fix their damn maps.

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      1. Yeah, I had the same thought about the empty shelves. Those pics don’t look all that different from my local big box store, which is perpetually understocked due to their terrible just-in-time inventory system. On a good day, I’m only be able to find half of what I need on my shopping list.

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  9. I read this article and come away thinking that they are going to try to cut out any kind of independent check on the veracity of the checks by keeping them at the State and Local level with no one checking their work. Which means certain states, California in particular, is going to try to sit on the numbers like they do for vote counting. The system needs to be ‘trust but verify’. Anything else is going to be pure fantasy.


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    1. I thought it was because of the cruise ship that was docked in Italy on Jan 30, 2020 because a Chinese woman was sick on board. I didn’t hear exactly what happened to the ship or the passengers. I think there were about 6k passengers on board.

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