20200201st-9th: Coronavirus Update Thread #3

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  • Latest Update 1:00am Eastern, February 9, 2020.
  • We have a leak out of Taiwan News Service (The AP of Taiwan – February 1st, 2020. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 ) via Tencent which has been very reliable, reporting 154,023 infected and 24K dead. ( Start at 4:30 in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWIKtjAVDRg ) We’re investigating. Lancet Media out of UK (highly reliable for peer reviewed studies and Dr. Gabriel Yung, the virus hunter, from Univ of Hong Kong, have both estimated approx. 150-155K infected and 20-25K dead at approx 3:30 in video) Therefore, the numbers coming from Taiwan News Service, Dr. Yung, and Lancet, are almost identical. Speculation is that Taiwan News is keeping 2 sets of books, an official tally and unofficial one. This is the 4th time Taiwan News has released specific numbers much larger than official count.
  • Officially, total number of cases exceeds 37,198+cases worldwide, updated at 7:00pm Eastern Feb 5th.
  • Officially, 811 Dead in dead, hardest-hit is Hubei province, 1:00am Eastern Feb 9th.
  • Announced by Sec of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar, he approved Feb 4th a diagnostic, and through FDA which will be shipped to 170 labs to speed diagnosis (done within a month of receiving gene sequencing from China). Seeing about a 2% mortality rate according to Chinese REPORTED data. Stresses importance of getting OUR people from CDC (epidemiologists) into China to get a real gauge on how many are infected. The USA has been requesting entrance to HELP and see for ourselves since January 6th!
  • Partnering with Regeneron on Coronaviris Drug Development (per Alex Azar)
  • May take a year for a vaccine (per Alex Azar)
  • 12 in the USA (human to human contact, mostly spouses)
  • Approx 219 cases in 2 dozen countries (Johns Hopkins numbers, http://*https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 )
  • China looking for financial relief? About 10:00pm on February 5, 2020, Laura Ingraham announced China would “half” their tariffs on 75 Billion worth of US imported goods as they sought further negotiation with the White House.
  • Exceeds death toll from the 2002-03 Sars outbreak (349 dead)
  • Good Source: China’s National Health Commission, reported by: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinas-hubei-province-reports-64-new-deaths-more-than-2300-new-infections

Time has come for another update thread on the Coronavirus. We have a National Emergency declared by Sec. Alex Azar. Dr. Robert Redfield is the Director of CDC. Across media, surprisingly non-political, the WH team is being lauded as serious. Within the USA, 11+ people infected, 191 under investigation. Dr. Anthony Falchi, Director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. Steve Began is Deputy Sec of State. Sec. of Homeland Security, Ken Cuccinelli, Dept of Transportation, among others, are all involved. It’s an “all hands on deck approach”.

NOTE: Almost all health professionals are working on a 14 day maximum incubation period. Yet, in cooler weather, SARS virus could last on surfaces for up to 28 days. Probably why we don’t get flu so often in the summer. Be careful out there.
The map might help us get oriented within China.

Flights to and from China have shut down. Borders to Hong Kong, Russia, DPRK, Tibet, have all closed as a precaution. The Forbidden City, Shanghai Disneyland, The Great Wall, tourist attractions are all shut down. American companies in Chin have shuttered. Starbuck’s, McDonald’s locations are closed. Between 50-90 million people are designated as “quarantined”. Within China, as of this date 811 are dead, approx 37K+ infected, and approx 80-90 THOUSAND people are being “observed”. Half the factories in China have extended “golden week” and will not go back to work. Over 80% of China’s export production has been shut down. As far as Beijing, a city of 35 million people, the streets are noticeably empty.

Different countries are responding in various ways. Italy had 6000 people stuck on a cruise ship because they learned of one passenger from Wuhan.

In Japan, a cruise ship with 3700 aboard has been quarantined as 61 people test positive for the Coronavirus, including two Americans. From the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/travel/story/2020-02-05/coronavirus-cruise-passengers-diamond-princess

Hat tip to ItsWoot, this might be a great source to check: This is the website for the military version of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Nothing here yet, or any other recent updates, on Coronavirus. Maybe worth checking on for research insights that they may come up with independent of the CDC. https://www.usamriid.army.mil/

Follow the Hashtag #Coronavirus on Twitter but be leery of information, even from blue-checked-marked accounts. Remember, a journalist with a degree in English doesn’t know squat about infectious diseases. We truly do NOT want to disseminate bad information and unnecessarily scare the public.

The source of https://pandemic.warroom.org/ is excellent for updates. Steve Bannon, Jason Miller (Trump Camp Comms Director for Transition), and Raheem Kassan (Breitbart editor in London) started a “War Room” broadcast for Impeachment. About a week ago, they started a separate War Room for the Pandemic, one of the first to jump on the issue. This source gathers info from all over media, other sources, and has clips from a daily update.

The War Room folks have been following the Pandemic, analyzing impact on health and economy for over a week. Please bookmark and follow for more info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZgoa-viEQc

  • This is a DAILY UPDATE
  • Within this and other episodes, an examination of how this problem reorients the just-in-time supply chain. All multi-nationals are re-examining their biz models asap. Everything will change.
  • Almost 2/3 of Chinese Economy is shut down.
  • Apple announcing delays in delivery of IPhones
  • Interview with Dr. Stephen Hatfield, Author of 3 Seconds Until Midnight, Professor at George Washington Univ., BioDefense Senior Researcher at the Army’s Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases —– perhaps the best facility in the world to address this problem.
  • Multiple experts funnel in and out of this program.
  • Try to buy a facemask on Amazon
  • 97% of our vaccines are made in China.
  • Story about the cab driver and opthamologist in Wuhan who were talking on December 8th-9th, about a Sars type virus in Wuhan and were arrested for spreading false rumors. On Friday, seven weeks later, they were released with a FULL apology from what is the Supreme Court of China (Let’s check the last time the High Court of China issued an apology – shall we?)
  • Trade delegation from China to sign trade deal had 20-25 people in it……. they didn’t say a word. (Just like the Japanese in WW2 before Pearl Harbor.) Apparently, we KNEW about the problem and since Jan 6th-9th have been offering USA assistance.
  • Last clause in Phase One trade agreement contains exception for Acts of God, Emergency, etc. Fear that China purchasing from USA could be delayed or cancelled. Larry Kudlow confirms “delay” in a Fox Biz interview on Feb 4, 2020.
  • USA has formally and informally offered assistance to China on MULTIPLE occasions beginning on January 6th, 2020. USA is concerned about getting accurate stats and info for incubation period, mortality rate, number of dead, ill, etc., and concerned we are not getting accuracy in reporting from CCP. NOW, the Chinese have agreed to allow in a team from the WHO, to include American physicians. Note: several members of the WHO were recently replaced by those who favor China.

The following study is leaking out of India and causing serious alarm. It’s why our stock market was down 600 points last Friday. STUDY is NOT confirmed as yet and has been removed, but drifting all over the internet. We thought it was a good idea to address the rumor and NOT avoid it. Those who are seriously involved on this issue are crawling all over these findings. Why? Because of the alleged results. India study claims there is another RNA strand in the virus….. which would not naturally occur, implying it is a bioweapon or manufactured by man. People flipped out over this rumor and the market sold off in a big way. Again, NOT confirmed and serious questions about peer review for this study – study has been REMOVED which only raises more questions.

Article title: Coronavirus Contains “HIV Insertions”, Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
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by Tyler Durden
Fri, 01/31/2020 – 17:35

An excerpt from the conclusion of the article:

…Until he realized something disturbing. Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed [“not fortuitous’]. Scary if true. https://t.co/h6xPX1gYvj pic.twitter.com/kCpd1I00uE

— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) January 31, 2020
“Scary”… but relax, it’s just another ridiculous “conspiracy.”


The information is pouring out from all source at this point.

The letters and Diaries of our grandparents provide useful advice as to how they survived the Spanish Flu of 1918. Look through our past posts for full details, and great stories. General advice is to take off shoes, clothes, at the back door and shower immediately when entering the home. Clothes washed in hottest water possible, cleaning surfaces and switch-plates, no rubbing of eyes, and a great deal of hand-washing.

HERE IT IS, H/T TO DEP AND CONCERNED VIRGINIAN: Advice on how to get thru the Spanish Flu from 1918:

Concerned Virginian posted this on Thursday, Jan. 30’s Open Thread. I’m just going to copy the instructions part of the post:

From a posting by a person who received an email from an MD friend — this MD is ALREADY doing these:
N-100 masks and disposable gloves for ALL outside interactions beginning 7 February (already doing this in-clinic);
Replace ALL home air filters / AC and heatpump filters every 2 weeks until the danger passes;
Disinfect ALL doorknobs / railings / handles etc. with disinfectant wipes (hospital-grade);
HOTTEST WATER possible / tolerable for laundry / dishwasher / showering;
Have a “drop room” area in the home where ALL clothes are removed upon returning home. These clothes go directly into the washing machine. SHOES are sprayed inside and out with Lysol. Proceed to take a hot shower and put on clean clothes.
This MD’s grandfather (also an MD) followed a similar routine during the 1918-1920 Great Spanish Flu pandemic. Apparently they have the grandmother’s diary from that time which detailed how they survived.

From other comments:
If the Wuhan Coronavirus does indeed follow the various projections of infection / death rate, it will be imperative for people to be able to shelter in place for an extended time, with only medical personnel and (probably limited) police-fire-EMS services available to work outside the home.
It will be imperative for people to have enough supplies, including prescription drugs, at home..

New Chiefio thread on the virus:

Look forward to your responses. Thank you for participating.

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