20200127: Coronavirus Update Thread

NOTE FROM WOLF: Please go to the newest update thread BELOW for current postings:

https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/

This thread retained for reference and historical data.

Thank you – and thank you, Daughn, for these threads!

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Our Coronavirus thread has grown substantially. Please consider this the update thread. This thread will run all week long (unless something dire happens and we need another one but not likely).

None of us want to spread bad information, and we don’t want to OVERreact and spread hysteria. The problem with this issue is, that as fast as the disease is spreading, so is the bad information. Thus, this thread. Perhaps we can sort fact from fiction within this forum.

Most of the reporting refers to various provinces of China (like our states). This map might be helpful as a reference.

World Health Organization Link: https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

American CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html

The South China Morning Post is an outlet many of us follow. They are tracking the story closely. Here is their link: https://www.scmp.com/news/china

Hat tip to Itswoot for the following link and idea:

This is the website for the military version of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Nothing here yet, or any other recent updates, on Coronavirus. Maybe worth checking on for research insights that they may come up with independent of the CDC.https://www.usamriid.army.mil/

326 thoughts on “20200127: Coronavirus Update Thread

  1. Director, Johns Hopkins SPH Center for Health Security, working to protect people from epidemics & disasters. Inf diseases, pub health, research, policy.

    His thread on preparation for a potential pandemic…

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      1. ,i>”Big takeaway point – At least 2 *named* top experts are cautioning that containment may not succeed.”

        WELL DUH!

        You already HAD the virus pass through LAX which is full of homeless people who LIVE THERE.
        One of the largest homeless encampments is at LAX airport

        LAX is the second busiest airport in the United States, but it is also the location of one of the largest encampment of homeless persons in Los Angeles.

        NBC4’s I-Team said the report details numerous attacks and disturbing behavior from the homeless who camp at the airport’s terminals….
        ….someone “spitting on passengers.”

        …The logs cited incidents of homeless people stealing luggage, defecating and urinating in public spaces, and threatening guests.

        Do not forget pan-handling and pick pocketing.
        …..

        Not to mention Chicago O’Hare

        …The O’Hare Outreach of Haymarket Center was started in 1990 as an innovative approach to the problem of homelessness in public transportation facilities. The O’Hare Outreach Program assists homeless clients who seek shelter in the O’Hare airport complex….
        http://www.hcenter.org/programs-treatment/specialized-programs/ohare-outreach

        (At least they are addressing the problem.)
        ….

        and Seattle. (No mention of Sea Tac Airport.)
        Seattle might have the worst homelessness problem in the country

        ….if you just look at Seattle and not the rest of King County, the city jumps to number one (the worst) on the list. With 121 homeless people per 10,000 residents, Seattle surpasses Washington, D.C. (110), New York City (90), and Los Angeles (59)….

        Three busy international airports that have had the virus pass through and places with homeless problems…..

        IF the hair-on-fire people are correct about how contagious this virus is, we will see the result in two weeks to a month, depending on whether or not it got passed on to a homeless carrier living in one of these airports.

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    1. In regards the Ingelsby thread:
      It seems to me there’s an awful lot of GLOBAL GOVERNANCE stuff in there —
      Global coordinated approach to research on the virus / “rapid” development AND testing of MULTIPLE vaccines / MONEY is NON-LIMITED for these efforts — from WTO and UN, etc., etc.
      Of course one can assume that a potential pandemic threat should be elevated to a planet-wide level of fight — BUT it smells like “UN control and coordination” to me.
      And what exactly does “money is non-limited” translate to? — it means the United States taxpayers pony up the MAJORITY of the money.
      Unless I missed something, there’s little to no discussion of what INDIVIDUAL people can do to prevent the spread of the virus (washing hands, staying away from crowds, etc.)

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      1. Agreed that the UN needs to be regarded with utmost suspicion. Smells like Korea conflict all over again – which was likewise a CHYYYNNAA TRAP. China controls tha badness which we are lured into fix by China, and fix has to be through UN which commies and Cabal control. “It’s a trap!”

        Yet immediate fixes are all “big picture” – small fixes with individuals are subtle and need to minimize panic. My thinking is to do two bigger things. First, remember what Obama did right when finally pushed to deal with Ebola (his delay of which dealing with was a massive troll of the right). Take action as the experts recommend – over there. Second – prepare Americans in subtle ways to shelter in place if needed.

        More thought later.

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      2. Yes, global control, emphasis on vaccines that must be distributed to all countries. And from there, everyone could be required to take the vaccine “for the good of all.” I don’t trust the vaccine makers or the vaccines. They can accomplish through them what the virus would have done. This is biological warfare. And it could be create a problem so you can accomplish your goals through its solution.

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    1. Interesting article. It’s really incredible to me that Canada (and the US as well) allows Chinese nationals to work in such sensitive areas as labs that contain viruses that could cause pandemics. We and Canada and the West are being horribly naive and endangering us all.

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  2. Unqualified opinion here but currently the Dow Futures are down 170 which really is not a lot at all at all. I will expect a bigger hit, but then given the current sanctions on China even after some have been lifted we sort of have an inoculation. Terrible way to think and prayers for the Chinese people and anyone else effected by this. Meanwhile China is going to also have to worry about an enraged populous if they are not careful and get blamed for this.

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      1. Lab ==> Infects animals ==> Stolen ==> Sold at Wet market 20 miles away.

        OR an accidental release.

        They kept this more or less under wraps for 2 months. December 8th is 1st acknowledged victim reported to WHO on December 12th.

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  3. Thanks for this! NEJM is trustworthy. This seems to be a B lineage of betacorona, with 85% similarty to bat SARS. The article mostly discusses identifying the virus, not treatments, other the a patient on a vent survived. Also, appears to be viral pneumonia, not a secondary bacterial pneumonia. Good to know. Will keep digging other sources for treatment recommendations. The most noticable thing on the xrays are the lesions. This was pointed out on the first set of films last month, and seems consistent.

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    1. Patriot Nurse makes a very **interesting** series of points about how “all of a sudden” there’s this new virus in Communist China, after months of pro-democracy pro-United States protests in Hong Kong, with the subsequent “losing face” for Beijing with the election of a pro-freedom legislature in Hong Kong..
      Now the Communist Chinese government can do almost anything it wants to control the population — mass quarantines / stop all public movement and transportation / clamp down on social media and “spreading rumors”, etc.
      Perfect way to put Hong Kong and the U.S. on notice that Beijing — and Communism — are still the masters of the Chinese people AND by extension a threat to the U.S.

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      1. True – they do need a reason to ‘clamp down’ on the people – that the world would accept – since that is what they normally do anyway…SMH

        Agree – Patriot Nurse does bring some common sense to the table – why I like her – 🙂

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  4. China is in serious trouble. Shutting down the country from doing business except for essential – medical and feeding the people.

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    1. I’m starting to see SCUMMER’s motives and methods here.

      Scummer is trying to do the same thing Pigliosi does in the “impeachment” by quietly restating the fact of CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS as assumed POLITICAL INVESTIGATIONS by making that a premise of her bullshit, rather than the declaration itself. It’s a subtle but effective GASLIGHTING technique.

      Here, SCUMMER wants to shift thinking away from QUIET SMART ACTION (which Trump is doing, quietly, to solve problem and avoid panic) into DECLARATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY, which causes panic. Scummer is offering a usual Demmunist TWO-LOSER choice. Listen to him or oppose him, you lose.

      NOTE in particular that the correct approach that Trump IS doing is EXACTLY what Obama did – except Obama delayed and ignored and acted like he wanted to do nothing, so that he could TROLL conservatives and CREATE SELECTIVE PANIC.

      Trump has the opportunity to beat Scummer AND Obama on this, by doing a new right thing.

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  5. DHS and DHSWMD are hard at work protecting the US against the Coronavirus.

    DHS considers nCoV Coronavirus 2019 a potential WMD – and is treating it as such!

    We have got an excellent dedicated DHS Director in Chad Wolfe – who is dead serious about protecting our country and its citizens – just like our President is doing!!!

    He is on top of the Coronavirus outbreak situation!

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  6. Here is what I don’t understand. If this virus is similar to seasonal flu in its symptoms, and it the majority of people will recover with no treatment, why are the hospitals in China overrun with patients? Either the symptoms are severe enough for people to seek help, or people are afraid they need help when maybe they don’t, or they have been told to check in if they have symptoms in an effort to try to contain the virus.

    With regular flu, the symptoms are uncomfortable, but not everyone goes to the hospital. So it seems the symptoms of this coronavirus might be more severe, especially if the mortality rate is higher. I guess I’m feeling we are not being given enough information to evaluate symptoms and the need for medical care. On the one hand, it’s *just* the flu; on the other, people are flocking to hospitals and dying.

    I know that more people have died from seasonal flu than from this over the course of a season, but the deaths from this are happening in concentration.

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    1. Please keep in mind, Flu A and Flu B are also in full force right now. We have swab tests for those, but not corona. The only way I have seen so far to confirm corona is chest xray showing those lesions. Am betting not all the dead are being xrayed, so the numbers could possible be a combination of different viruses.

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      1. I have read that scientists have the “genetic code,” or something like that, for the virus, and that they have sent it to countries around the world so the virus can be identified throught testing. I don’t know what kind of testing they mean, but it didn’t seem like xrays.

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        1. In NEJM article, it does say they have isolated the genetic marker. It also states it was difficult using epithelial airway tissue, lung tissue, Ig and Im markers, and CT. All of these take time and are costly vs point of care swabs. They are working on a faster identification system, but other articles have said that may be 4 -6 month out. Just a personal opinion, but I don’t see China investing that kind of time or money to verify who has which type of virus. They will spend initially to identify the genome, but not for the average joe.

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  7. A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

    Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.
    ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Stregnthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.
    ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.
    ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.
    VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.

    Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph systym doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris us why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help. So, if you get sick:

    INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
    Drink LOT of fluids
    Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.
    NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!
    DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)

    For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.

    Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

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      1. I think our people are ramping up to travel restrictions, which is smart. And then – so that we get 100% of Obama’s eventual scientific WIN on Ebola (which he got, when it was over), we have to allow people to travel TO THE EPIDEMIC to help stop it THERE. Very important. Obama did the right thing, scientifically, to stop Ebola – he just did the wrong thing (intentionally) by not reassuring people, and TROLLING the right with inaction until pressured.

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    1. To go with the above:

      David A says:
      26 January 2020 at 6:12 pm

      Older 2015 stats, mostly large aircraft;
      “During this year’s peak July 1 to Sept. 20 time period, CAPA calculates that four major Chinese carriers — Air China, China Eastern, China Southern and Hainan — will send 2,028 flights to the U.S. per week, compared to 1,853 a week from U.S. airlines.”

      I suppose the US carrier planes fly back, so about 4 k flights per week is what 4,000 x 350 from China to the US Weekly?

      Also People without symptoms are infectious for FIVE DAYS and the virus lasts for FIVE DAYS on surfaces.

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        1. There could also be multiple strains, and that is then used in a strategy and hidden as “mutation”. E.g., ChiComs give themselves the lite version, but their agents deploy stronger forms here. That would be a very typical ChiCom strategy.

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    1. Very important to get and preserve ALL STAGES of virus samples chronologically, and particularly in the US, but also from China (our capture, not given by them). If the ChiComs are using a PHASED RELEASE STEALTH BIOWARFARE PLAN, then forensics will show the stepped deployment masquerading as mutation.

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      1. Notice how this would be a typical case of self-infliction HOAXING – which was TAUGHT to our SJWs by CHYYYNNAA. What’s ingenious is that they can back out at any time if they think we’re onto them. COUGH. Note the further immunological ingenuity. They hit themselves with what amounts to the COWPOX of the virus – many of them get it – then a vaccine under cover of the epidemic – they all get it – then they hit US with the SMALLPOX version of it, for which they’ve already proven both the cowpox version of the virus AND their own vaccine to give immunity. The total drama then becomes “communist virus theater”. The GENIUS of it is that it allows biowarfare to be carried out by FAKING an epidemic. Even the “biowarfare study accident” cover is strong enough to hide the ACTUAL BIOWARFARE.

        Of course, only people who EXPECT such evil from communists will see the hand tip.

        Communism and viruses are a BAD MIX. No ChiComs in labs.

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    1. Hehe – bing bing bing bing
      They MIGHT be closed now, but doubtful they will come back after New Year.
      Hong Kong closed their schools until Feb 17th.

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    1. FoxBusiness from CDC:

      “Everyone in the city [of Wuhan] is required to stay put in an attempt to contain it”
      … recognizing how well infected people self-quarantine. 🙄

      “The CDC reiterated that the chances of getting the virus here in the States is ‘still low’.”

      “They also answered a question about the possibility of getting the virus from PACKAGED GOODS that are imported from China.”

      “They say that the virus doesn’t survive ‘well’ on ITEMS
      … it ‘does better’ in HUMANS and ANIMALS.”

      “But they DIDN’T rule out that possibility.”

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      1. “It is a HIGHLY INFECTIOUS and HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS virus”

        “The number of CASES is DOUBLING almost DAILY.”

        “The number of DEATHS is going up SLOWLY”
        … at this early stage
        … if you trust Chinese reporting
        … after a Chinese nurse reported 90,000 cases vs the government’s 3,000.

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    2. Sidenote: Every container coming out of China is fumigated. It’s why new clothes SMELL the way they do, it’s the insecticide, folks.
      Not sure it would be effective against this virus though.

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        1. More on aspirin & spanish flu epidemic of 1918.

          My greatgranfather passed away in that epidemic and change the course of our family history. Grandmother was just a toddler. made a big difference to many people’s lives as it took young and middle aged adults v. just the older, already ill and very young

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    1. 4PM news report, 106.1FM Talk Radio, Raleigh:
      The CDC just updated:
      110 suspected cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus spread over 26 states in the U.S. now being tested.
      “We expect that there will be many more cases.”

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  8. As reported by a Chinese survivor of Tiananmen Square who investigated their SARS outbreak:

    5 MILLION people had left Wuhan for their Lunar New Year
    … to mingle-with-others-elsewhere
    … before China quarantined the city.

    Way to go, Xi!
    Closed the gates after the horses had left the barn.

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  9. Remember the recent reports of CHINESE apprehended crossing the Mexican Border?

    We’ll literally see MILLIONS Mexicans and Central Americans fleeing north to evade any break-out

    Guess how Demo☭rats’ opposition to the border wall will play in the 2020 election.

    NEVER FORGET the Demo☭rats’ BROADCAST GAMEPLAN:
    • TEAR DOWN the WALL
    • OPEN our BORDERS
    • ELIMINATE Border Patrol and ICE

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  10. How bout a Trump Team CLOSING ARGUMENT:

    “This SCAMpeachment had NOTHING to do with Ukraine
    … it was ONLY about Demo☭rats’ DEMANDS for OPEN BORDERS
    … they’re trying to take out the ONLY President who’s worked TIRELESSLY to CONTROL our BORDERS
    … against the INVASION of ILLEGAL ALIENS and now the CoronaVirus!”

    “They’re IMPEACHING President Trump
    … just as their SANCTUARY CITIES become CoronaVirus BREEDING GROUNDS
    … KILLING OFF the CITIZEN SUCKERS who elected them!”

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      1. LA and San Fran-feces will no longer have a druggie/homeless problem as the china-virus kills off most of the druggies.

        WORSE (and I just checked) druggies think Horse and meth makes them immune to disease. In actuality they just do not feel the symptoms. Also they are NOT about to go to a hospital for help so in some ways they are worse off then the Chinese in cities.

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  11. At the risk of sounding like a cold hearted evil bitch this could be win win
    Even if it derails the trade deal a total embargo on exports from China , worldwide would be ……not a bad start
    And 2 they can’t feed their population, even if it’s diminished, so they have to import food. There could be extreme measures taken to offload stuff to China. They can pay by wire.
    Goodbye deficit!

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    1. I’m really thinking this was pre-emptive for the SUPER CHINA HUSTLE to be exposed. I’m thinking that their economics were a far grander lie than even the “China Hustle” story. Then they see that Trump has actually rigged impeachment to blow up on the Chinacrats, and splatter back on China.

      ANSWER – SELF-HOAXING. Anything to save The Party.

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  12. Check this out:

    “Propaganda Photo of ‘Coronavirus Hospital’ Posted by Communist Chinese State Newspaper is Actually Alibaba Stock Photo”

    Here’s the propaganda:

    Here’s the source of the photo:

    Here’s the article:

    https://nationalfile.com/photo-of-coronavirus-hospital-posted-by-chinese-state-newspaper-is-actually-alibaba-stock-photo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photo-of-coronavirus-hospital-posted-by-chinese-state-newspaper-is-actually-alibaba-stock-photo

    Here is more info on REAL hospital:

    China Posts Video of ‘Hospital’ Trailers With Steel Bars on Windows, Locks on Outside
    The video was tweeted out by a Chinese government official.

    https://nationalfile.com/china-posts-video-of-hospital-trailers-with-steel-bars-on-windows-locks-on-outside/

    Lot of good and “not so good, but maybe funny” articles at nationalfile.com

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  13. Did you guys pick up on this earlier?
    Dr Thayer interview?
    Did NOT start on Dec 8th, it was Dec 1st.
    Shut down border with Mongolia.
    Looks like it did NOT start in fish market.
    CCP party leadership in Wuhan has resigned.

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  14. And there is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Dr. Thayer just said this is affecting the legitimacy of the CCP and the “mandate of heaven”

    about 15:30 minutes

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  15. Short video 3:47 explains Singapore government policy select groups returning from China. Essentially 14 days mandatory stay home.

    Had the good fortune to live in Singapore 92-95. Great country. Aggressive government. further validated America is Number One;-)

    FTA

    Wuhan virus: 14 days leave of absence for those in Singapore schools, healthcare and eldercare who travelled to China
    A 14-day leave of absence will be imposed for students and workers in schools, healthcare and eldercare, upon their return to Singapore from China – one of the measures by Singapore’s multi-ministry task force to curb the spread of the Wuhan virus.

    *https://www.straitstimes.com/global Video is about half way down page. Straits Times is Singapore’s main newspaper.

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