Dear KMAG: 20191203 Open Topic

This DELIGHTFUL DECEMBER [1203] Q’PER TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).

You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.

However, we have a new policy. Starting 20191110. Keep it SOMEWHAT civil.

We have a new board – actually a new SITE – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation. NOT HERE.

This board will remain a REFUGE for those who need civility, either some or all of the time.

Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.






Our movement

Is about replacing

A failed


Political establishment

With a new government controlled

By you, the American People.

Candidate Donald J. Trump

Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Remember this?

Report: IG Horowitz Found “Reasonable Grounds” For Criminal Prosecution and Referred to U.S. Attorney John Huber…

It’s been a while, hasn’t it?

We actually went through a lot since then.

Are you getting PSYCHED for a little JUSTICE coming?


This point may be very critical, if the “powers that be” have manipulated the situation so that CIA assets and agents (or even FBI, in a sneaky lie) cannot be revealed, thus continuing to protect THE SWAMP.

If this is the case, given that there now appears to be incontrovertible proof that CIA is being used AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS POLITICALLY, then we need to demand CLOSURE OF CIA.

This is part of my point that….


If the IG report is not to our liking, then we have to demand ACTION BY TRUMP AND CONGRESS. That action can included CLOSURE of criminal, derelict, and dangerous agencies. It could even include their MEDIA OUTLETS (cough) and DELIVERY COMPANIES (cough). Their remaining legitimate functions can be transferred to “clean” agencies, with all transferred personnel on probationary status, and passing rigorous review of past involvements.

So GET READY. Our job BEGINS with the IG Report.



Because if it ain’t happening – WE’RE HAPPENING.

545 thoughts on “Dear KMAG: 20191203 Open Topic

      1. Don’t worry. I have a purple tie, and it goes really well with the pink shirt. 😉

        You’re talking about “water bottles off the table” Pence. He ain’t “symboling” outside of the plan – you can count on that!

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  1. Sadly, I actually know people who would do this.

    I mean, we’re supposed to be good stewards of the earth, but ecological sins are an innovation whose time has never come.

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    1. Yes, I take many flights unnecessarily 🙄🙄🙄

      I relish unnecessarily getting to the airport 4 hours early to wait in a mass of unwashed, coughing, disorganized crowds waiting breathlessly to see if I will get fully frisked or only have to stand in the xray machine and “spread ’em”, then repack my carryon bag the TSA agent rifled through because THIS time energy bars aren’t allowed in carryons, even though they’ve been allowed the 40-odd years I’ve been flying.

      Yup, definitely an unnecessary flyer and eco sinner. I confess.

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  2. From Ristvan:
    ristvan says:

    December 3, 2019 at 6:09 pm
    Obtaining call records from PDJT’s attorneys and Ranking member Nunes proves zealous overreach by Schiff. Will likely backfire on him in Judiciary.

    But call records are not call contents. So everybody calm down.

    We have some champs in House Judiciary who will make mincemeat pie out of Schiff before it is over. Gross factual misrepresentations. Call records from Ranking member and PDJT attorneys. Not a good look in the skilled hands of Ratcliffe and Jordan.

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    1. I’m sorry. I’m not going to calm down. Nothing INFURIATES ME more than the “it’s just metadata” crowd. I just want to spit fire when they LULL on metadata.

      Call records tell a much bigger story than call contents and anybody who understands intelligence knows this. The BIG PICTURE comes from WHO CALLED WHO WHEN. In skilled hands, one can almost guess what was talked about. THAT story leads to THEORY which can later ask for proof of what was said.


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      1. I agree. Nothing makes this acceptable. Pelosi essentially set up her own judiciary and law enforcement entity in the Dem run Congress.

        Investigation of crimes or issues is to be done by the Executive Branch – the DOJ – I don’t know how this wasn’t illegal, and Schiffty and company indicted. It’s one thing to hold hearings, another to spy on your colleagues under the guise of an inquiry. DOJ should get involved. Schiffty has to be breaking the law, and hiding behind his Congressional protections to get away with this. Similar to Obama using law enforcement to spy on his perceived enemies, including using the IRS to harm conservatives.

        I hope this blows up big time.

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      2. Oh, and I didn’t agree with Ristvan, just thought it worth his input. He has to know how serious this is – it’s a breach of all trust in the Congress, and that means that our country cannot function with opposing political parties.

        They’ve crossed a line. I’m looking forward to hearing from some of the conservative lawyers – Barnes_Law, Professor Cleveland weighing in on this.

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        1. No harm – you were just reporting, and even if you agreed with Ristvan – GREAT! Power to Ristvan, too. THIS IS A FREE SPEECH SITE.

          I think there will be disagreement, but the balance is going to be very – VERY – bad for Schiffty. Yes – BARNES will have something to say.

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          1. Not worried, I thought Ristvan was a little soft on the actual dirty deed, regardless of how little or how big the harm.

            The destruction of the TRUST which keeps this country going is a serious thing. Schiffty just threw a MOAB into every American’s life in this country. What they think they can do in DC, is nothing compared to what they can do to a little person in America.

            Looking forward to seeing the legal ramifications.

            And I still think Mueller belongs in jail too. Whitey Bulger, Epstein free all those years, and now he used convicted pedophile George Nadar as a witness in his Russian Hoax to get POTUS.

            Barr should be disgusted. The fine legal minds of this country have got to get busy on this.

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            1. As I said below Shitty just blew up hundreds of years of legal precedence that will effect every single lawyer in this country if what he has done is allowed to stand.

              The attorney-client privilege is the oldest privilege recognized by Anglo-American jurisprudence and is the BEDROCK of our legal system. “the privilege ensures “that one who seeks advice or aid from a lawyer should be completely free of any fear that his secrets will be uncovered.” If that is no longer true why ever would anyone seek the help of a lawyer?

              Lawyers around the country should be screaming there lungs out at the DemonRats over this abuse of power.

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          2. I started racking my brain trying to think of all the conservative lawyers that cross my social media path, and then of course, Daughn’s hubby weighed in.

            Jay Sekulow’s name is in the call tracking – that’s one brilliant man, and he isn’t going to let Schiffty get away with this.

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      3. Ok I got a few beers in me and a few shots of Jesse James Honey Bourbon, I’ma tell y’all right here right now,this is straight up bullshit.
        How far back do these phone records go? 2008??? Think about it.
        Our Government has been takin over by a bunch of socialist pigs
        President Trump keeps giving them all the rope they want and BY GOD were gonna take it back.
        We know who WE can trust, Enjoy the show.
        On a side note,have you noticed President Trump has been swinging like he’s on a par 3 and wants to put it in the cup? I have lol he fucking took the gloves off and so should we….
        End of drunken rant, night n God bless y’all.

        Nuttin better than beer and popcorn

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    1. I was watching Chanel Rion and Rudy Giuliani on OAN tonight – they are just tearing the Democrats to ribbons. DNC and Ukraine and the “black ledger”.

      Rudy made a hilarious joke that at least the mafia would have put some ashes on the black ledger to make it look like it really did survive a fire.

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      1. Reminds me of this, from “Soul of a New Machine” 🙂

        Around the time when Data General stood accused of burning down a competitor’s factory, Peck remembered, a picture of de Castro appeared on a wall in Software: the bottom edge of the photograph was charred and a sign below asked, Would You Buy A Used Car From This Man?

        Great book; from the “Golden Age” of Minis, Superminis, and Super-Duperminis…


  3. We’re sitting here laughing over this story. Yeah, it’s breaking and entering, but they paid for the pies, even if we don’t know what kind.

    Thanksgiving emergency? Person in ‘desperate need of pies’ left money, note in ‘after hours transaction’

    BALLWIN, Mo. ( – Someone in “desperate need of pies” prompted police to the Honey Baked Ham in Ballwin.

    According to the police department, officers found an open door at Honey Baked Ham. When they searched the building, officers found cash and a note that attempted to justify the “after hours transaction.”

    “Happy Thanksgiving! No one was here, and we were in desperate need of pies. Left money, took pies. Thanks!” read the note.

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      1. The other one on Thanksgiving…my SIL was at a coffee shop with her computer on Thanksgiving morning, and somebody driving a BMW walked in and bought two cups of milk from the barista. It seems she was making a pie and ran out….

        You just can’t make this stuff up.

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  4. Okay, folks.
    This issue is blowing up all over social media right now.
    Within the Dem report, we see call logs from Nunes, Derek Harvey (his aid), Jay Sekulow, Giuliani, and John Solomon.
    Records were provided by AT&T.
    Dems are joyful, they think that Devin Nunes is “caught”, should resign, and it is trending on Twitter.
    I was horrified, because Schiff is investigating his Minority member and personal atty’s of the President + journalists.
    It’s the wild west.
    Records were provided by AT&T.
    So, inherently, as a non-lawyer, I know this is wrong and unusual, but I don’t know WHY.

    I asked Big T.
    He stopped spitting long enough to give me an answer.
    Remember this: Your “right” is meaningless, if you don’t know it is being violated by the government.

    Schiff has the authority to issue subpoenas. It is Schiff’s responsibility to comply with LEGAL procedure and he MUST notify the party from/about whom the information is being sought. In other words, it was Schiff’s responsibility to notify Nunes/Harvey/Giuliani/Sekulow/Solomon (one or all of them) of what he was doing.
    At that point, the party (Nunes, one or all) could go to a judge to protest the subpoena and seek to ‘squash’ it.
    Nunes (one or all) could claim right to privacy, right against self-incrimination, proper cause, anything……

    And understand, even if Nunes (one or all of them) murdered a Ukrainian oligarch, the rules are the same.

    It’s pretty obvious, Schiff did NOT notify Nunes (one or all of them) he was issuing a subpoena for phone records.
    It would be impossible to imagine Nunes, Giuliani, Sekolow, and guys like that intentionally allowing Schiff to dig through their records…….. no, would not happen.

    Therefore, what Schiff did was illegal. From Big T “Otherwise, we live in a third world country”.

    Me, still confused: Well, what if Schiff requested the docs in secret?
    Big T: In criminal law, if you need to obtain info without party’s consent, a judge has to sign off.
    Me: I effing knew it. THEY went to some bozo, Mao hat wearing, hair armpit judge, and got the subpoena!!!!
    Big T: NOOooooooooo, that would never happen.
    Me: How do YOU know?
    Big T: 1000 (a thousand ) percent, no way!!!
    Me: Why not?
    Big T: Because the judge would be fired, removed. No judge would ever sign off on that. YOU CAN’T DO THAT!
    He was screaming and spitting by the time he was done……

    Me, still confused about AT&T role in this whole farce: So why in the hell did AT&T turn them over?
    Big T, impatient with me: It’s not AT&T’s responsibility to determine merit of the subpoena, they are supposed to comply.
    Me: Well, if I’m General Counsel for AT&T…
    Big T, interrupting: It would never get to the level of General Counsel
    Me: Well, if I’m an effing law clerk at AT&T, and a subpoena comes in for Nunes (one or all), I’m going straight to my boss before I do a damn thing.
    Big T, thinking: Maybe, but the request could have been for specific phone numbers, no names, You don’t know and cannot assume in this instance.

    There is confusion and question of fact as to whether the Chair of Intel Committee would even need to go to a judge to seek a secret subpoena. He may have more broad authority granted to him.
    But questionable……… because that would give a member of the legislature authority over the judiciary, and we both doubt that would happen.

    To end
    Me: So why aren’t the lawyer pundits screaming about this?
    Big T: It just came out this afternoon, give them a chance!
    Me: I don’t understand why Schiff is not being arrested this evening!!!!!!!
    Big T, frustrated: Stop being dramatic.

    Big T, pensive: It’s very interesting the reading from everything I see says, “obtained access” and does not use the word “subpoena”…….. is AT&T complicit? We definitely need more information.

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    1. I can’t imagine Schiff isn’t going to be sued into oblivion over this. Nunes filed suit against CNN today for hundreds of millions. He’s not going to take this lying down, let alone the lawyers. On it’s face, what Schiff did is ILLEGAL.

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              The attorney-client privilege is the oldest privilege recognized by Anglo-American jurisprudence. In fact, the principles of the testimonial privilege may be traced all the way back to the Roman Republic, and its use was firmly established in English law as early as the reign of Elizabeth I in the 16th century…

              As the privilege has evolved, countless policy justifications have played a role in its development. At its most basic, the privilege ensures “that one who seeks advice or aid from a lawyer should be completely free of any fear that his secrets will be uncovered.”….

              This is the THIRD TIME the DemonRats have stomped all over attorney-client privilege of the PRESIDENT OF THE USA!

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      1. Forget suing, Schiffty. I want him arrested and thrown in jail. By now, I’m sure POTUS has heard about this – I can’t imagine that there won’t be some serious discussions with Barr.

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          1. House is NOT in session over Christmas….

            The Privilege from Arrest Clause, found in Article I, Section 6 of the U.S. Constitution, protects members of the U.S. legislature from being arrested “in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace” while Congress is in session. The clause also protects members of Congress from arrest on their way to or from sessions of Congress.

            Cause of the Clause
            At the time the Constitution was written, it was not uncommon for people to be arrested for civil matters. The Protection from Arrest Clause was put into the Constitution to ensure that rival political factions could not use trivial legal matters to hinder members of Congress from participating in the legislative process. Members of Congress can still be arrested on criminal charges at any time.

            Illegally obtaining phone records:
            18 U.S. Code § 2511.Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited

            Looks like it carries 5 years in jail.

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      1. I believe the BIG UGLY may well be upon us. I thought it might wait until later in the 2020 campaign, but start now, and 11 months of BAD BAD BAD crap happening with the Dems, and who knows. We may be looking at a down ticket landslide the likes of which we’ve never seen.

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    2. Anyone else remember the AT&T scandal from the early ’00s? Something about all calls made via At&T being routed through some building in San Francisco so that the three letter agencies could spy on everyone? It was shocking news at the time. I tried searching online for it, but it was so long ago that I’m not finding much. I distinctly remember AT&T being involved in some spying scandal. Not surprised in the least they’re complicit.

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      1. Found it!

        “In 2006, an AT&T technician named Mark Klein alleged in a sworn court declaration that the NSA was tapping into internet traffic from a secure room on the sixth floor of the facility.”


        “The NSA considers AT&T to be one of its most trusted partners and has lauded the company’s “extreme willingness to help.” It is a collaboration that dates back decades.

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      1. I can’t believe they published evidence of the spying in the report. What were they thinking? Didn’t they know all h3ll would break loose? I’m wondering if they think they have an airtight case giving them the right to do this — but I can’t imagine any scenario where it would be permissible in the USA.

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          1. I never get our links to open up in the right place, but hit link anyway and sure enough it didn’t open to the right place but wow… has your link to “First Lady wears Valentino cape dress to tea with Prince of Wales.”

            I must of missed it the first time through but that dress is so impressive! 🙂

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      1. Remember Prince Al Waleed was a major owner of CIti

        PUBLISHED SUN, NOV 5 2017

        …Alwaleed has owned Citigroup since 1991, famously standing by the bank and buying more shares during the financial crisis….

        Alwaleed may be the fifth-largest holder in Twitter, according to estimates from….

        Alwaleed confirmed to CNBC on Oct. 23 that he still owned Twitter.
        As of December 2016, Alwaleed owned 4.9 percent, according to Ben Silverman, director of research at InsiderScore, said that stake would make Alwaleed the fifth biggest overall shareholder in the company at the end of the second quarter of this year….

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    1. Off topic, I have a thought in my head for an E Tree… as in Evangelical.

      Somehow I’ve got to get over my writing hump and pull it together.

      Right now of course I’m burned out from OT and work stress. This isn’t quite the right moment…

      But the problem is I’ve wanted to push into the blog world for some time, never quite felt confident that I could churn out sufficient content to drive a site.

      Yet big stuff is going down. A great awakening even.

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  5. Heyyyyyyyyyy, what if I told you 8 people were indicted today on 53 counts of illegally funding Hillary’s campaign in 2016?
    Guess what? It happened.
    Wasn’t George Nader a source for Mueller/Weissman????????

    “A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia indicted Ahmad “Andy” Khawaja, 48, of Los Angeles, California, on Nov. 7, 2019, along with George Nader, Roy Boulos, Rudy Dekermenjian, Mohammad “Moe” Diab, Rani El-Saadi, Stevan Hill and Thayne Whipple. The 53 count indictment charges Khawaja with two counts of conspiracy, three counts of making conduit contributions, three counts of causing excessive contributions, 13 counts of making false statements, 13 counts of causing false records to be filed, and one count of obstruction of a federal grand jury investigation. Nader is charged with conspiring with Khawaja to make conduit campaign contributions, and related offenses. Boulos, Dekermenjian, Diab, El-Saadi, Hill, and Whipple are charged with conspiring with Khawaja and each other to make conduit campaign contributions and conceal excessive contributions, and related offenses.”

    “According to the indictment, from March 2016 through January 2017, Khawaja conspired with Nader to conceal the source of more than $3.5 million in campaign contributions, directed to political committees associated with a candidate for President of the United States in the 2016 election. By design, these contributions appeared to be in the names of Khawaja, his wife, and his company. In reality, they allegedly were funded by Nader.”

    But Duncan Hunter is pleading guilty today?
    And Lev Parnas is practically a hostage for Adam Schiff, when the $350K was never used by the Trump PAC?
    Double Standard.

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    1. She ls in a foreign country Literally undermining our US foreign policy as set by our POTUS.
      Who does she think she is?!!!
      And who does she think we are that we won’t rise up and fight this political battle?!

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    2. I have a BIG problem with Pelosi, or any member of Congress, meeting with leaders of other countries. Pelosi was elected to Congress, where she represents her constituents in California. I did not elect her, and she does not represent me or speak for me. IMO, she has no business speaking internationally on behalf of the U.S.

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  7. this is why children must be separated when trafficked across our SW border. We have a Duty and a Responsibility to protect these children by
    1) not detaining them with unvetted adults in mass holding areas with their supposed parents and many other adutls
    2) vetting the adults who claim these children as family to ensure that they are actually family
    3) vetting where these children are going post detention center – some are truly with a parent but the parent is Still unsafe, a criminal or taking the child to lodge with criminals.

    Good info to use on social media against leftist talking points!

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    1. Agree..did you see a link I left the other night?

      2yr old brought to hospital with horrific threatening. Dad says she fell in bathroom wee hours of morning. … isn’t her dad, fake dad’s buddy took off..they’re from some far corner of Guatemala, had to look all over the country for an interpreter for their dialect. Fake dad and his amigo were drunk.
      She was raped to near death. Some mother gave this baby to allow the guy to get in easier.
      2 yrs ols..unbelirvable

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      1. In the WSJ I read they kept pushing that we don’t let these ‘poor’ people in. One claimed his kid had medical issues. How do I know its his kid and why should I pay for their medical bills?

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    1. Sorry for double post! There was a bit of delay in the comment showing up and I just assumed I had made a mistake and changed the page or lost the comment some other way. Will exercise more patience in the future. Just used to comments showing up pretty instantly on this side. Again, sorry!

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