Dear KAG!: 20191121 Open Topic

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491 thoughts on “Dear KAG!: 20191121 Open Topic

  1. 3613
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    21 Nov 2019 – 5:00:19 PM
    What happens when 90% of the media is controlled/owned by (6) corporations?
    What happens when those same corporations are operated and controlled by a political ideology?
    What happens when the news is no longer free from bias?
    What happens when the news is no longer reliable and independent?
    What happens when the news is no longer trustworthy?
    What happens when the news simply becomes an extension/arm of a political party?
    Fact becomes fiction?
    Fiction becomes fact?
    When does news become propaganda?
    Identity creation?
    How does the average person, who is under constant financial stress (by design), find time to research and discern fact v fiction?
    Majority of people more prone to believe someone in power sitting behind a big brand ‘news’ name?
    Do people [human psyche] tend to follow the ‘majority/mainstream viewpoint’ in fear of being isolated and/or shunned?
    ‘Mainstream’ is used for a reason [dominate trend in opinion].
    [If majority of people believe ‘x’ then ‘x’ must be validated / true]
    Why do ‘mainstream’ media heads, within different orgs, always use the same keywords and/or catch phrases?
    Coordinated? By who? Outside entity providing instructions?
    Do they count on the fact that people [human psyche] are more prone to believe something if heard over-and-over again by different ‘trusted’ sources?
    Do ‘echo chamber’ tactics provide validation / credibility to the topic/point being discussed?
    Threat to intellectual freedom?
    Would control over[of] these institutions/organizations allow for the mass control of a populations viewpoint re: a desired topic?
    Read again – digest.
    Would control over[of] these institutions/organizations allow for the mass control of a populations viewpoint re: a desired topic?
    Logical thinking.
    Why, after the election of 2016, did [D]’s and media corps jumpstart a [coordinated & planned] divisive blitz intended to create falsehoods re: illegitimacy of election, character assassination of POTUS through sexism, racism, every other ‘ism’?
    Pre/post 2016 election?
    Why were violent [masked] terror orgs such as Antifa immediately created/funded?
    Why were these orgs tasked w/ immediate intimidation/shut down of any pro-POTUS rally[s] and/or events?
    Why were marches immediately organized to counter and silence pro-POTUS rally[s] and/or events?
    Why were marches immediately organized which divided people into sex/gender, race, [ism]?
    When you control the levers of news dissemination, you control the narrative.
    Control of the narrative = power
    When you are blind, what do you see?
    They want you divided.
    Divided by religion.
    Divided by sex.
    Divided by political affiliation.
    Divided by class.
    When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those ‘different’ from you, not those responsible [controllers].
    Divided you are weak.
    Divided you pose no threat to their control.
    When ‘non-dogmatic’ information becomes FREE & TRANSPARENT it becomes a threat to those who attempt to control the narrative and/or stable [livestock kept – sheep].
    When you are awake, you stand on the outside of the stable (‘group-think’ collective), and have ‘free thought’.
    “Free thought” is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.

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    1. This part was especially interesting:

      “Why do ‘mainstream’ media heads, within different orgs, always use the same keywords and/or catch phrases?
      Coordinated? By who? Outside entity providing instructions?”

      What “outside entity” would that be?

      And yeah, who tells them all to use those “same keywords and/or catch phrases?”

      What would be cool is if Q started giving us a heads-up on those words…before those words are used.

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    2. “3613
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      Alot to chew on in this Q drop. With deep state misdirection, many people (myself included) end up barking up the wrong tree, so to speak.

      “Then through the leaves a light broke through,
      A path lost for years led us to…”
      -John Lodge (Moody Blues)

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    1. Only about 10,000 more agencies, bureaus, divisions, departments, offices, etc. to go, and this investigation should be wrapped up by July or August of 5280… January of 5281 at the very latest.

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      1. Then comes the rebuttal phase, where the subjects of the 3,261 year long investigation get to review the evidence against them and make excuses for their crimes, but more importantly, leak details to control the narrative and coordinate legal defenses with the other coup-plotters.

        That process should only take a thousand years at most.

        Then the 3,261 year long investigative report with rebuttals from the criminals goes to the independent review phase by all 586 intelligence agencies (used to be 17 agencies back when the investigation started in what were essentially prehistoric times) in order to redact anything that might be embarrassing to anyone in the history of the United States government, or could possibly be construed as embarrassing.

        After that process, which should only take 2,500 years (give or take a decade), the entire report with evidence and redactions goes for review by the ODNI, to make sure the 586 intelligence agencies didn’t miss anything that could potentially be embarassing to anyone who ever served in government, either in the past or in the future.

        Fortunately this process should not take more than another 500 years at most.

        Then finally, in the year 9,280 (give or take a decade), the conclusions of the 2016-2019 investigation will be published for the American People to find out what their government has been doing.

        150 million pages of blacked out and redacted data… page, after page, after page, after page… every last word blacked out.

        But that’s okay, because we have cold anger to see us through these dark, hopeless and pointless millennia ahead 👍 😁

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    1. In a job that is almost incomprehensible in it’s challenges, President Trump has said it’s the hardest thing he has to do.

      Bless our President and First Lady for being there to console the family of the fallen. And to the family and friends, nothing will relieve their grief but in time they will swell with pride when they can tell the story of how the President and Commander in Chief paid respects to their loved one.

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    1. It’s the mother of “Baby Doe” who is requesting this.
      And her family.

      The document mentions that Hunter Biden is under SecServ protection.

      Why do we have to pay for that?

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          1. The President is the only former member of the executive branch to receive lifetime secret service protection. (8) Former Vice Presidents, their spouses, and their children who are under 16 years of age, for a period of not more than six months after the date the former Vice President leaves office.Dec 10, 2018

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    1. People are saying that it’s over, but the impeachment vote isn’t over. They think Schiffty and Pelosi are just going to drop their dreams of impeachment?

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      1. Once the WIWI begins, people won’t even remember this part.

        WIWI = World Information War I.

        I’m thinking the Pravda Press is going to go out in a blaze of glory.

        All we have to do is stand strong with Trump and the press is going go be like suicide bombers blowing themselves up in parking lots.

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    2. Oh, I don’t think it’s over. Impeachment, maybe, but this marked the beginning of the D5 avalanche of information pouring out to the public. While the hearings were going on, we found out a lot via the various social media outlets.

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  2. Sounds like our embassy in Ukraine is full of anti-Trump snakes.

    Liked by 8 people

  3. John Solomon is pissed!

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    1. OK, I get the point about Hill, and agree and sympathize with him.

      But, unfortunately, John Solomon is buying in here to a Communist false narrative on Senator McCarthy.

      Liked by 1 person

    1. My only issue with this is I thought this example was proven to be for a group of stations owned by the same company…all local affiliates. …heck I even thought this group was a relatively pro GOP company….could be wrong….

      Still, I wish Q would use the montages that Rush, Levin and others have put together over the years of BIG networks and their achors and talking heads using the same talking points and “catch phrases”

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      1. I saw at least these three networks: CBS, ABC, and FOX. Would they all be owned by the same local company? (I honestly don’t know.)

        I hope Q has a solution for this media problem.

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        1. Its a national media company, and yes I believe its not unusual for media companies to have stations with different affiliations in different regions of the country.

          Its a canned public service announcement, would make sense they would have all there stations read the same thing.

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    1. It’s misleading. McConnell isn’t going to hold any vote (or trial) unless the House hold a formal vote and delivers Articles of Impeachment formally to the Senate. By the time the Senate gets through a trial, it will be November, 2020. 🙂

      Any number of reasons for POTUS meeting. The last one I would chose is him talking about votes and impeachment. I’m inclined to think it might be about information they might want to know beforehand… before everything comes out.

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  4. “Breaking… FBI agent under criminal investigation for altering FISA document on Carter Page…”

    That’s the headline from Citizen Free Press, reporting on a tweet and an article by CNN. The article, of course, says that some mistakes in the FISA process were bound to occur, and they don’t change anything. Riiiiiight.

    Liked by 9 people

    1. Concerning last line “Handle w/ care.”

      Observation: In Q’s previous post 3651 “Game Over” a hashtag exists from Scott69 that includes #handlewithcare

      Could be nothing but there is some ominous stuff that shows up in this hashtag. Parcel/Packaging concerns, Immigrant concerns, Bio concerns, and Nuke concerns.

      Wondering if this a general BOLO for Anons or possible threat made and detected by Q and thus a more active BOLO dig type request since the qresearch is down. (not sure if i have that last right, but I haven’t been able to open it yet).

      Any thoughts?

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      1. OMG – listen up. I always suspected that “shallow state” was ready to throw “identified patriots” under the bus if they needed. Are the CANKLEBOTS at the top of FBI/DOJ (like Comey, McCabe, Yates, etc.) going to throw SMALL FRY under the bus to save themselves?

        Remember Comey trying to SET UP PRIESTAP in that question by Elise Stefanik?

        Oh, I smell RAT-FLAIL coming!!!

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        1. Yep, there’s gonna be sacrificial lambs, designated people to lay under the proverbial bus. This right here is bogus, one Bad agent doctored the FISA? The whole case was bogus and too many people vouched for it, multiple times!!

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        2. Is that what the Flynn prosecutors “getting the notes mixed up” between Strzok and Priestap for 3 years all about?

          “Sorry, Your Honor. Our bad.”


  5. 3618

    New: Title TBD
    21 Nov 2019 – 9:16:49 PM

    Platform not fully functional / stable.
    Pic uploads not secure / functional.
    Suggest update delay to prevent IDEN re-check re: trip update failure until platform stabilized.

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          1. More than that….the narrative is not what is controlling this now. Each side will believe what they believe. This is about the legal issues, indictments, etc….which hammer goes down first?

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            1. OK, we’ve been told the IG report comes out the 9th and Horowitz testifies the 11th.

              Apparent timeline squeeze of sorts who and what goes first in good guys Vs bad guys.

              House schedule looks tight…not much play and flexibility.

              D-Rats fear Court rulings against their sham circus.

              Why wait until the 9th to release IG report. Isn’t it done? Have the fools investigated and named in the report not already delivered their verbal rebuttal?

              Simply wrap up the IG report and release it.

              Damn sure announce indictments. Release previously classified documents. Release 302s, texts…

              Maybe, announcing the 9th as IG release date was simply a feint of sorts played by the good guys. After all, how many times has a date or release week been floated, only to change. Always moving right on the calendar?

              Playing into Q speak, “these people are stoopid”. Great time to shift left on the calendar release IG report early.

              All based on my wishful thinking and wishing the worst for D-Rats / deep state assholes.

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              1. Dunno Kalbo..but every day something new pops. Look what I just posted about the Energy Dept. Rosiak has an amazing thread he wrote.

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              2. Concerning hearing date. Saw this posted somewhere. Dec 11 2019 = 1+2+1+1+2+0+1+9= Yeah.
                I guess that’s nice for a hearing date, but yes please release soonest.

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              3. “Great time to shift left on the calendar release IG report early.”

                What if Graham said “9th”, and Dims and Never Trumpers now prepare their best counter-symphony of leaks, lies, lawsuits, and losers’ complaints, all timed to crescendo just in time for the 9th?

                Then Horowitz releases on the 5th (D5), messing with the schedule of the Dim narrative control?

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              4. ^^^ Both my hope, AND belief. Thinking D-Rats are being played and lulled into believing their impeachment vote before the 9th.

                AG Barr will release IG report and release 302s, texts, declas docs…

                Me thinks.

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  6. someone posted here or there a reminder of the famous command to not shoot until one could see the whites of their eyes.
    I am so impatient….
    trying to imagine the nerves of steel it takes to wait, wait, wait…wait…NOW!
    by the time of NOW! they are almost on you
    wisdom, coolness under pressure, nerves of steel…its happening

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  7. Another freaking important thread by Luke Rosiak. Chinese spies inside the Energy Dept. Mind blowing

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        1. I’d be willing to negotiate on “everybody”, if others were willing to negotiate on the latest in polygraph technology for anybody staying. 😉

          Seriously, it’s a huge problem. But I believe there are humane solutions that can separate the wheat from the chaff. Guilty consciences work wonders in loading up planes, ships, or even flying saucers! 😀

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  8. Oh, Gawd!!!! This nonsense again — .

    John Moses Browning (PBUH), who lived from 1855 to 1926, INVENTED most modern weaponry at his home, in his home shop. A home which, BTW, went for about $350K in Ogden, Utah, about 2011 — .

    So this guy, out in Ogden, had a mansion built in 1900, and dreamed up the mechanism of the awesome M1911 in this mansion, and built a prototype in his home shop on the ground floor with equipment he personally owned out of blocks of metal he purchased, then test-fired it in a basement corridor, and refined the design…….and it’s been one of the most successful and popular pistol designs ever made. Everything from the Kimber Ultra Stainless to the CZ 75 is essentially a 1911.

    And we’re supposed to wet our pants about untraceable ghost guns. Because some messed-up kid blew his brains out with a gun that lacked a serial number…..but could be traced to the crime because it was still in his hand. Incidentally, how many guns are ever traced to crimes by serial number? ‘Cause I’m suspecting that this number is pretty near zero. And, yet, it can be manufactured using 100-year-old tooling in a home shop.

    It’s not just that it’s bad policy, it’s that it’s such an insult to our intelligence. We’re too stupid to have a home shop. Roger that — it’s why you went into the corruption and sellout business instead of actually making something useful that people might actually want.

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  9. Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 000000 No.7359408📁
    Nov 21 2019 22:18:33 (EST)
    Ron ID: 000000 No.7359370📁
    Nov 21 2019 21:39:58 (EST)
    Images that are served via TOR broke yesterday, we are checking why and should have it fixed up soon.
    Caching is still a bit buggy, and likewise we should have that fixed up soon.
    I will do my best to have these things fixed up before the end of the weekend.

    An easy way to verify yourself after the upcoming salt rotation is:
    1. Migrate /patriotsfight/ before the rotation
    2. Post with current tripcode on /patriotsfight/
    3. After salt rotation, post with new tripcode on /patriotsfight/
    4. Qresearch BO adds your updated tripcode to the /qresearch/ whitelist

    Let me know if you want to migrate /patriotsfight/. The login credentials will be the same as back in August, and you can login via tor at this url:
    or via clearnet at this url:

    The salt rotation is an important maintenance task, and will help improve overall site stability.

    Our current tasks to get back to full stability:
    0. Salt rotation
    1. Fix quality-of-life bugs (caching, images, etc)
    2. Launch project odin (checkmate against deplatforming)
    3. Finish board migration
    4. Migrate to a new ISP currently being setup (will improve site access speeds and stability)
    5. Bring back board creation (with a simple vetting process)
    6. Install the new captcha system that we are building
    7. Extinguish fires that pop up
    /pf/ was taken down [cleared of content] just prior to platform TERM [specific reason].
    NAT SEC [charter] prevents use of ‘keys’ to establish IDEN via public utility/domain – non_reg.
    Formation of ‘clean’ board possible to lock in trip(s) > issues w/ safeguards.

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