Dear KAG: 20191016 Open Thread

In honor of the 103rd anniversary of eugenicist Margaret Sanger opening a “family planning” clinic, sold to the world as a supposed kind act to ease women’s burdens, today’s open thread is dedicated to men.

Time for the morning routine.

HGTV has nothing on Home Improvement.

And…of course, who can forget the most classic of the classic radio ads ever put together. (Please, listen as time allows.)

Time for some theme music. Today’s feature is the reluctant hero.

Ah, that gets the blood going.

Okay, so here’s the deal. This is the open thread. This is where we all come to get the news that other Q tree inhabitants think is worth knowing and sharing. Please, post links to any “news” stories quoted, and ask for help if you are stumped as to how to do that. We’re a friendly lot. Someone will be with you shortly, and there is no reason to have to press one for English.

Free speech, and the open exchange and hashing out of ideas is not only allowed, but encouraged. If we all don’t use it, we’re going to lose it. A little incivility goes a long way, though.

Don’t make Wolf resort to this.

Enough fawning over the guys. Too much more and it’s going to go to their heads. Time to get the day started.

And now for some house keeping:

There are a few rules here in the branches of the Q Tree. Our host, Wolfm00n, outlined them in a post on New Years Day. Please, review these rules from time to time. You know, like when cooling down after a beer is thrown on you.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Steve suggests – to be accurate – no shooting at the nuclear weapons, but to be safe about it, don’t event point firearms toward them. I, Deplorable Patriot, bossy chick that I am, request no teasing the animals, pets and wildlife alike.

Teasing and trolling the lefties and their bastions, on the other hand is a moral imperative.

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In the eternal fight against the forces of evil and darkness, unceasing prayer is always needed.

Today’s Lectionary reminds us that we on Earth don’t necessarily have the last word:


ROM 2:1-11

You, O man, are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself,
since you, the judge, do the very same things.
We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.
Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things
and yet do them yourself,
that you will escape the judgment of God?
Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience
in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God
would lead you to repentance?
By your stubbornness and impenitent heart,
you are storing up wrath for yourself
for the day of wrath and revelation
of the just judgment of God,
who will repay everyone according to his works,
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality
through perseverance in good works,
but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth
and obey wickedness.
Yes, affliction and distress will come upon everyone
who does evil, Jew first and then Greek.
But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone
who does good, Jew first and then Greek.
There is no partiality with God.

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome.

And now, on to the day’s news…..

683 thoughts on “Dear KAG: 20191016 Open Thread

    1. Interesting lady – Educated Arizona State. Aerospace business background. Climbed Kilimanjaro.

      “Barrett is former chair of the Aerospace Corporation and a member of the boards of California Institute of Technology,[3] Jet Propulsion Laboratory, RAND Corporation, Smithsonian Institution, Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans, and Lasker Foundation.”

      “An instrument-rated pilot, Barrett was the first civilian woman to land in an F/A-18 Hornet on an aircraft carrier. In 2014, Barrett was inducted into the Arizona Aviation Hall of Fame and received the Worcester Polytechnic Institute Presidential Medal from President Laurie Leshin.[10] She has trained as an astronaut, and was the backup spaceflight participant for the Soyuz TMA-16 flight to the International Space Station. Barrett was also deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration and vice chairman of the U.S. Civil Aeronautics Board.” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Barrett

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      1. But Georgia,

        POTUS doesn’t respect women……. /s

        I would bet Donald Trump has appointed more females to his Administration than zero and dubya combined

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  1. Today is the second time the Democrats have stormed out of a meeting with President Trump and held forth at a pre-arranged press conference.

    Evidently it didn’t go well this time around either – and Schumer said the President was very disrespectful to a co-equal branch of government and called Pelosi a 3rd rate politician.

    McCarthy said it was a good meeting after the Democrats left.

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    1. What do the Democrats expect from someone they have been trying to railroad out of office using illegal tactics, lies and propaganda since he was inaugurated???

      Did they expect love and affection, roses and champagne? Bah humbug on their prissing and preening for the cameras.

      They are as fake as the news headlines that will be coming out this evening and all next week about The President’s disrespectful manner, his meltdown and mental fitness.

      Heh!

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      1. I suspect the longer this goes on, the nicer DJT gets, because he’s holding all the cards now.

        He can provoke them at will, and all the can do is dig their own hole deeper, because they’re criminals, and he has them dead to rights.

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    2. Schumer has the unmitigated gall to say POTUS was disrespectful?

      And the Speaker is spearheading an illegal IMPEACHMENT inquiry?

      There’s so much wrong with your comments.

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        1. I remember… didn’t POTUS walk out, leave Nanzi an Chuckie, tell press Nervous Nan had a breakdown?
          Maybe she’s laughing because she thinks “I gotcha!” ? She’s not ok… I mean, there’s no one home upstairs.

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      1. “Schumer has the unmitigated gall to say POTUS was disrespectful?”

        ________________

        It just so happens that Unmitigated is his favorite kind of gall 😁

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    3. “The earth shall be scorched….”

      Take ’em all down, Mr. President!!!

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      1. “War was declared between the White House & Democrats in Congress. There’s no turning back now. The earth along Penn Ave shall be scorched.”

        __________________

        It’s about time.

        As for emotions, if there were any, it was just the criminals having another tantrum.

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    4. Smacks of D-Rats planning drama…feed muh impeachment BS.

      D-Rats have Rinos wanting endless wars.

      Won’t end well for D-Rats and Rinos embracing endless wars.

      But, MCM and D-Rats will play this card to their detriment.

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  2. These people seriously need a hobby. Tens of thousands of people PAID??????? This guy obviously can’t read a balance sheet.

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/10/16/larry-charles-trump-rallies-an-illusion-with-paid-hypnotized-audience/

    Director Larry Charles: Trump Rallies an ‘Illusion’ with ‘Paid Hypnotized’ Audience

    Hollywood writer-director Larry Charles issued a rallying call to the left on Wednesday and smeared the millions of Americans showing up at President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies as paid and “hypnotized.”

    “Trump has never won a fair fight. The base is down to 14 very loud people,” the Borat director’s missive began. “The rally goers are either paid or hypnotized. The whole thing is an illusion. Let’s shatter this national hallucination and see what reality looks like again.#LockThemUp.”

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    1. That was a Netflix ‘executive’ aka $0r0$ propagandist projecting the left’s tactics onto President Trump.

      That is projection – they DID have to pay people to attend Hillrotten campaign events or make college professors give extra credit for attendance or give a concert to get a crowd to attend.

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    2. Larry Charles (whoever that is): “Trump has never won a fair fight.”

      ______________

      He wins every day, and you’re right, they’re not fair, he has the whole MSM, the Congress, at least half of the judicial branch, and apparently 10s of thousands of Hussein holdovers in government against him, along with the FED and the EU and the drug cartels, China, and the Cabal itself against him.

      And that’s not even the half of it.

      And he’s STILL kicking your ass and making you look stupid. 👍 😁

      .

      Larry Charles (cable guy?): “The base is down to 14 very loud people.”

      _____________

      Says the fool with his head firmly planted in the ground.

      .

      Larry Charles: “The rally goers are either paid or hypnotized.”

      ______________

      The psychological projection is always just under the surface, waiting to come out, lol!

      Always accusing others of what your side does by habit.

      .

      Larry Charles: “The whole thing is an illusion.”

      ______________

      Then why so much trouble wishing it away, Lawrence?

      .

      “Let’s shatter this national hallucination and see what reality looks like again.”

      ______________

      It’s comin’, Lawrence.

      And if you’re some kind of Hollyweird pedo too, it’s coming for you, Lawrence.

      .

      Larry Charles: “#LockThemUp”

      ______________

      Don’t you worry Larry, they’re coming to getcha.

      Just sit tight.

      Won’t be much longer now.

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      1. That’s the type of grammar up with which I will not put…… And you can include Justin from Canada and his bobbleheads in the same gaggle as BO and the EU.

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  4. If you can stomach 35 seconds of Schumer, watch this. He is in meltdown about the meeting with POTUS, and apparently Pelosi walked out. She is standing there grinning like a hyena. So how bad could have POTUS’ “insults” been.

    I hope the Dems get stomped on.

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      1. “Schumer says that Trump called Pelosi a “third rate politician” and that Trump told them regarding Syria, “there are communists involved and you guys might like that” ”

        __________________

        ROTFLMAO!

        He’s starting to treat them with the exact amount of respect they deserve — NONE!

        I love the last part even better than the first 🤣

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        1. They treat him with zero respect, but expect him to treat them like “the gentle lady” and “gentleman.” He is not your normal politician, and they can’t stand it.

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      2. Hoyer, Schumer and Piglosi.

        Prison is too good for them, but for a while, it will have to do.

        Can you imagine how long these traitors will talk, when they’re asked if they have any last words before the hood goes over their heads?

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    1. “She is standing there grinning like a hyena.”

      ________________

      She’s not actually grinning, that’s how her face always looks, after so many facelifts and botox treatments.

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        1. It’s not meth…it’s her dentures and

          Btw….while I’m at it….

          Fuck you Hoyer.

          Never have you dimocrap rats treated a sitting President so disrespectfully, and yet you wanna pretend to be victims when he doesn’t tolerate your disrespect?

          Just fuck you you whiny little baby snowflake.

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          1. My mom used to do that with her teeth when some food crumbs slipped under the plate. Nanc musy have beed gnawing on wood again.

            Like

        2. Hoyer has served with six presidents and has never seen such disrespect. Someone please ask him if he was trying to remove those other presidents from office on false charges and holding impeachment over their heads. Just wondering. Respect goes both ways.

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  5. Trump supporters have been lining up for the RALLY in Dallas since early this morning!!!

    Trump rallies are like rock concerts, football games and tailgating, camp meetings and family reunions all rolled into one!!!

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      1. There is no cure for alcoholism. What there is, is a daily reprieve contingent upon the maintenance of one’s spiritual condition. And it begins with complete abstinence.

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    1. Looking at all the attendees staring down at the table…very uncomfortable to see someone becoming unhinged in a high level meeting. IMO, she had no intention of staying through the meeting.

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      1. They had planned their ‘walk out’ aka ‘protest’ and their spin/talking points afterward.

        What they DIDN’T count on was PDJT throwing their same lines back at them!!!

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  6. 😂😂😂

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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    1. I just caught that POTUS called her “Nervous Nancy” – Very interesting, wouldn’t you say?

      POTUS says Nancy is Nervous – what is Nancy nervous about?

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    1. Careful!

      That’s a very, very bad sign if you are trying to raise a fearful soy-boy beta male feminist with a victim mentality who cries like a woman, like this little fella…

      Better take him to see the school counselor for some reprogramming ASAP!

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      1. I don’t like the mohawks kids wear today, because it’s just another way the Left corrupts the social contract.

        It used to be that if you got a mohawk (or anything that made you stick out, that you did on purpose in order to be different), you were going to get harassed or picked on, and that would:

        A) make you tougher / stronger (or stop doing it, either way you learned something)

        and

        B) it was a social control mechanism for what was generally acceptable, i.e., individualism is great, but don’t be a weirdo.

        TODAY, being the weirdo is the NORM. The sensitive types get mohawks, and then they’re protected from criticism or confrontation by anyone, so much so, that they’re PRAISED for looking like weirdos.

        If somebody wants to wear a mohawk, more power to them, but there’s nothing rebellious about it when so many others are is doing it, or when nobody challenges it, or when it becomes a ‘protected’ form of self-expression.

        Tattoos are another example.

        When I was a kid, for the most part, the people who had tattoos had either served in the military, or they were pirates (in the movies), or they had served time in prison.

        Tattoos were generally a sign of rebellion, non-conformist, etc.

        But when EVERYBODY gets tattoos, it becomes the OPPOSITE.

        When most people start doing it simply because everybody else is doing it, so they can fit in, it becomes ‘conformist’.

        There’s nothing daring about kids getting tattoos today, nobody is going to confront them about it, there’s nothing socially provocative about it anymore — it has become common, it has become the ‘norm’.

        If you want to be a rebel in a world where it seems like everybody gets tattoos — DON’T get a tattoo!

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  7. I’d say HS sophomores, but then, what do I know. I was always at the nerd table.

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    1. “The Modern Liberal will invariably (and) inevitably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success. When I say the Modern Liberal is morally and intellectually retarded at the level of the five-year old child, it is not hyperbole: its diagnosis.” (Evan Sayet, The Kindergarten of Evil, evansayet.com)

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  8. Did Trump removing our troops from Syria (and that pipeline in which they are all invested so deeply) precipitate today’s Democrat political drama?

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    1. Go ahead Chucky, vote for a declaration of war against Turkey — or anybody else you think we should be fighting in perpetuity.

      Go ahead.

      I want every one of you cowards and traitors on record.

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    2. Georgia,

      Whose drum does the majority of Congress usually march to? What foreign dignitary gets 100% standing ovations from Congress? Who was initially interested in US getting involved in Syria?

      You and others may not like my questions or the answers, but it’s the only explanation I have for 2/3 of the Republicans in the House voting against POTUS

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-see-trumps-syria-pullout-as-a-betrayal-that-could-unravel-the-region/2019/10/11/cf5b5d38-ec08-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

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          1. Mitch has already said he will take the House action to the Senate floor.

            What do you think will happen? I think they will vote AGAINST the POTUS because Israel does not want us to leave.

            So, if do our represenatives represent? America?

            If the vote goes against POTUS, then the DIMs will claim impeachment based on CinC’s betrayal of our Allies or some such garbage.

            I stand for America FIRST. I want what is right for our country. I do not want any more of our men and women killed or wounded for wars that make money for greedy people who do not care about America.

            I stand with President Donald John Trump.

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              1. I read the article you posted. Other than not being able to trust a single word that is published by that POS rag, what Bibi quote are you specifically referring to? The WaPo article stated:

                QUOTE:

                “Other than expressing support for the Kurds, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said little publicly about Trump’s move….”

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          2. Judaism has its leftists, deceivers, pedos, etc. – just as does Christianity.

            I will always be grateful to the Jews for guarding the faith and preserving the Law and Commandments that GOD gave them. The true Law of the LORD proceeds out of Zion and Jerusalem – that is, the true moral code of the universe. Isaiah 2:3

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      1. As far as I can tell, this withdrawal is centered around Northern Syria ONLY, first NE, then subsequently NW. We also have troops in Southern Syria that are closer and helping to protect Israel. I don’t think they’re part of this withdrawal….yet?
        That’s been the confusion with all this, possibly on purpose?, that they’re not being specific on numbers and locations until after the fact.

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          1. Don’t know PR. Maybe they’re unaware of the Full strategy? Otherwise we assume their donors are from MIC or they’ve got their hands dirty In the ISIS mess and it can be used against them. Ignorance or Fear.

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  9. This is a thing of beauty.

    I had to transcribe it myself, because apparently ALL of the MSM are too lazy to do it, they just post the .jpg of the letter and opine.

    The president’s letter to Erdogan:

    ……………………………………….
    His Excellency
    Recep Tayyip Erdogan
    President of the Republic of turkey
    Ankara

    Dear Mr. President:

    Let’s work out a good deal! You don’t want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don’t want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy — and I will. I’ve already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson.

    I have worked hard to solve some of your problems. Don’t let the world down. You can make a great deal. General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you, and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.

    History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!

    I will call you later,

    Sincerely,

    \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\ (<– typical DJT signature)
    ……………………………………….

    .

    This is outstanding, lol!

    It reads like a tweet 🤣

    Put yourself in Erdogan's shoes, and imagine receiving a letter like this from the president of the United States…

    It was completely written to provoke Erdogan into reacting exactly as he did (or exactly as we have been led to believe he did, there's no way to verify anything that's really going on).

    After a lifetime of Ellsworth Tooheys whose sole purpose for speaking is to make sure they never actually say anything of substance, it is beyond refreshing to have a leader to speaks like DJT.

    Yes, I know it rankles some people that he doesn't always speak (or write) with the 'decorum' befitting the 'office', but he's doing it on purpose, it SERVES a purpose. He could right stuffy bureaucratese if he wanted to, but that would never accomplish any actual objective.

    This does.

    This accomplished multiple objectives on multiple levels.

    Every part of this letter is carefully worded to provoke a reaction, no matter the perspective of the reader.

    From a 'persuasion' perspective, Scott Adams could have a ball with this.

    Just amazing, AND made me laugh out loud 😂

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    1. I didn’t support and vote for Trump because of how he talks, and neither did anyone else who did the same.

      Sometimes, a salty-languaged sailor is the best man for the job at hand.

      What dims don’t like is that POTUS isn’t afraid to call a 3rd-rate politician a 3rd-rate politician, and they are bitter than he is almost single-handedly utterly destroying the leftist weapon of “political correctness”.

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  10. Every person who reads this site must obtain and read Kim Strassel’s book which reached the bookshelves yesterday. She is among the four or five best reporters in the world. I place her with Lee Smith and Mollie Hemingway as the best of the best. And, hen she takes the Superwoman cape of, she’s an ordinary mom with a three kids who grew up in rural Oregon.

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    1. I had the honor and very good fortune of sitting next to her at a private dinner party in Bozeman, Montana (of all places) several years ago and I can assure you there is nothing ordinary about her whatsoever. She is also very funny and kept all of us laughing when a good many of us (like me) wanted to be angry about what was happening in DC/America.

      Your opinion is well-placed.

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    2. Didn’t know about the rural Oregon part….do you know where (more or less?) always curious since I also grew up in rural Oregon.
      Agree with your assessment of her clarity of thought and the gift to write it.

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    1. I think POTUS is pushing Nancy to do something stupid, well more than she currently is. Nancy came out saying POTUS had a meltdown and she would pray for his mental health.

      He’s shoving it right back.

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        1. I wonder if any of them actually accept that he is extremely intelligent.

          Politicians don’t have to be intelligent, smart…. they usually have to be ‘clever’ ….

          And ‘clever’ people are usually so in love with their own cleverness, they can’t discern intelligence capable of seeing through them. Con artists, grifters, are ‘clever’…………

          What really tickles me is, they keep making the same mistake with him… over and over, all the while expecting a different outcome. What does that remind you of? Right, insanity. And most pols are a tad bit crazy. Serving in public office for decades tends to make a tad bit crazy even moreso. Like attracts like.

          They can’t deal with a VSG from Queens who has dealt all his life with ‘clever’ business people…

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    1. ““This President is the most patriotic President I’ve seen in many years.”

      _________________

      That’s only going to provoke him to do even better, until he becomes the most patriotic President you’ve seen, EVER.

      He won’t stop until you say it.

      And he won’t stop then, either.

      He’s just going to keep winning, and winning, and winning… 😁

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      1. I’m not sure there is a way to measure his patriotism against other Presidents.

        How many of them faced enemies and opposition as great as his? The Deep State, corrupt alphabet agencies, endless foreign war, globalists worldwide, the 24-hour assault of a hostile media?

        I can think of only two other Presidents whose leadership challenge was as great; Washington and Lincoln. But how would they have fared under the above conditions?

        I am daily awed by the fortitude and persistence of this great man. I believe he may be the greatest American patriot who ever lived.

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  12. So. If we want to know how to defeat the surveillance state being pushed by Bejing, we need to talk to the Universities in Australia?

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      1. It’s insidious, isn’t it T3 ?

        So many young people think socialism has something to do with social media ! (I may be exaggerating, but…) And communism… that’s way above their pay grade.

        We Are the News Now… so we have to keep on keeping on…

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  13. Even Larry Schweikart appears to be cheering up! It’s a thread with several more tweets.

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    1. When he capitalizes certain words and misspells I know thats for q research.
      Building that tension until ig report? Im wondering if General Flynn will be exonerated at that time too.

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    1. “this trial would fully exonerate POTUS and sink the DS progressive alliance.

      Bring it on…”

      ____________________

      That’s the highest stakes there are or could be.

      The Super Bowl x infinity.

      Winner take all.

      DJT wouldn’t be pushing so hard for it, provoking them and calling every last one of their bluffs, if he wasn’t holding a royal flush to their handful of squat.

      So let’s do it.

      All in. 👍

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      1. Impeachment brings a ‘stench’ … some folks don’t understand that it only means “a charge is made” ……………. like an indictment. Far too many think it means “he’s guilty” … it’s the ignorance I worry about, or I guess I should say low info…

        I have considered for some time now that POTUS may WANT them to impeach… it would certainly separate the wheat from the chaff (we would know who to throw out next election). And I understand that the Senators act as prosecutors, so say someone like Trey Gowdy could bring in some of the coup members and prosecute them so to speak and they could end up indicted and tried, and Americans would know what was going on, because it would all be public. I guess I’m going to have to let go of traditional thoughts about impeachment… about a lot of things actually… this is a different ballgame… it’s a never-ending coup… and perhaps by impeaching POTUS it will end. But you see, I thought that is what the Special Counsel was supposed to do… end it. Now the DIMs are talking about a 2nd Special Counsel. If I had to choose between the two, I guess I would go with impeachment.

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        1. The trial in the Senate will both exonerate DJT and convict the Cabal, in front of the biggest worldwide audience in the history of television.

          The actual prosecution and conviction of the Cabal will have to take place in courts or military tribunals, but the scope and scale of their crimes will be laid bare during an Impeachment Trial for all the world to see.

          I’m leery of Trey Gowdy though. Ever since SD opened my eyes to how ALL of the GOP congressional inquiries were just controlled opposition, following a playbook of outrage/investigation/nothing happens, over and over again.

          IRS targeting, Fast & Furious gun-running, Benghazi — it was always the same M.O., played to perfection by the professional political-class.

          And that was Trey Gowdy.

          All hat and no cattle, as SD often said.

          So if Gowdy is to have any part in it, I would do a background check on Gowdy so deep and thorough that I don’t even have an analogy for it.

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          1. I don’t know Scott, did Some Dude open your eyes, or … did he raise to high an expectation of what members of Congress could do? SD was and is focused on “the small group”… well, the group ain’t small, you just said that yourself.

            What was your expectation? There would be a hearing and Hil de beast would be cuffed and hauled off to jail? 😉

            Gowdy is the one who told Nunes what he saw in the SCIF (sp)

            Gowdy was encouraged by POTUS not to run for re-election, but to ‘hang’ until he was needed. Have you thought about what that has cost Gowdy ? He’s a small town prosecutor… he’s not rich. (I take up for my fellow SC natives, esp. when I know there’s not even smoke, much less fire.) POTUS trusts him. I’ll accept that over SD’s idea of ‘controlled opposition’ any day.

            (we’re still friends, aren’t we? I wouldn’t want to have our exchanges offend you in some way. If we disagree, surely we can agree… to disagree 😉

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            1. “I don’t know Scott, did Some Dude open your eyes, or … did he raise to high an expectation of what members of Congress could do?”

              _______________

              They always stopped short.

              They never EVER went for the kill.

              As DJT said today, Paul Ryan would never issue subpoenas. DJT made up some BS reason that Ryan had too much respect for the country, but that’s a load of crap. If Ryan had any respect for the country or the rule of law, he would have pulled the curtain back and shown the whole world, instead of taking a DIVE on every major scandal of the Hussein tyranny, and throwing the American People under the bus at every opportunity.

              Paul Ryan is another one who deserves to go to prison for the rest of his life — or worse.

              .

              “What was your expectation? There would be a hearing and Hil de beast would be cuffed and hauled off to jail?”

              ________________

              Why the hell not?

              The only reason it NEVER happens is because nobody believes it CAN happen. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy!

              DUMP the *&^%ing evidence on the public square, and let her try to escape THAT.

              But they never do.

              They always cover for her, and for the Democrats.

              The fix is always in.

              The money has been paid, the favors called, the blackmail arranged, the narrative scripted, and no matter how heinous the crime, it always ends the same way.

              That doesn’t happen with massive complicity.

              .

              “Gowdy was encouraged by POTUS not to run for re-election, but to ‘hang’ until he was needed. Have you thought about what that has cost Gowdy ? He’s a small town prosecutor… he’s not rich. (I take up for my fellow SC natives, esp. when I know there’s not even smoke, much less fire.) POTUS trusts him. I’ll accept that over SD’s idea of ‘controlled opposition’ any day.”

              ___________________

              DJT also knows the adage to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

              We’ll see which one Gowdy is, if he is actually to be any part of this.

              .

              “(we’re still friends, aren’t we? I wouldn’t want to have our exchanges offend you in some way. If we disagree, surely we can agree… to disagree ”

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              Absolutely!

              I consider everybody on this board a friend, and many of us disagree on some thing or another regularly! 😁

              One of the things I like best about this place, what is so different from everywhere else, is that we can disagree, even strongly sometimes, while still knowing we’re all on the same side, so it’s not personal, there is no animosity.

              It’s LIBERATING.

              It’s not about trying to defeat someone, like it is when debating or arguing with Leftists. When there is any serious or genuine disagreement here (which is not often, really), it is usually in the best sense — everyone makes their best case for what they believe and why.

              A lot of this stuff we can’t know for sure whether one view is right or wrong anyway, until more information comes out, so it’s more of an exercise in testing ideas, seeing what works and what doesn’t, which is what makes it interesting and fun 🙂

              There’s an ocean of data points, and we’re all trying to make sense of it, to fill in pieces of the many puzzles, and as time goes on, we get confirmation or contradiction to our various hypotheses and views, and that’s interesting.

              And fun.

              It’s a mystery — lots of smaller mysteries and several big ones — and it’s better (and stranger) than fiction.

              It’s a page-turner 😁

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              1. Hi Scott, I really enjoy my interaction with you and with others in this Q tree.
                I don’t argue with the ideas of others to put the others down and shut them up.
                I never argue to change their minds. I argue to sharpen my understanding and to change my own mind when necessary.
                I love this board for that very reason.
                Thank you for sharing this,
                Elizabeth

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              2. Good evening, Elizabeth!

                “Hi Scott, I really enjoy my interaction with you and with others in this Q tree.
                I don’t argue with the ideas of others to put the others down and shut them up.”

                ______________

                Yep, me neither. I used to, that was most of what posting online was about (for me) for a long time, whether on Breitbart or Townhall.com for years before that.

                On Townhall.com I would fight with the Leftists, and usually there were several regulars (conservatives) against several Leftists, and it would sometimes go on for days, lol!

                The object of that game was to get them to shut up, to expose their lies, to vanquish them.

                Then I found Breitbart, and that was a much bigger pond with a lot more Leftist troublemakers, but the platform was so big that it was hard to form a team of ‘regulars’, so you were pretty much on your own with a lot more opponents, and you can’t take on multiple people with long, detailed arguments, you have to try to knock them out of the discussion as fast and hard as possible.

                But after a while it got old, it’s just the same thing over and over.

                Then I found CTH, and that was a completely different dynamic. It took some adjustment, because nobody was really fighting with each other there, most people were on the same side (and it was heavily moderated, lol!).

                But it was more interesting than the constant attack at Breitbart, and much smaller group of people, like Townhall.com was in the early days (around 2006). Breitbart was like a first-person shooter video game where you shoot anything that moves, and CTH was a completely different ballgame. Much less frenetic, lol!

                .

                “I never argue to change their minds. I argue to sharpen my understanding and to change my own mind when necessary.”

                _______________

                That is very interesting.

                A lot of the time, arguing is a means of developing an understanding or point of view, because the debate process helps to clarify various issues, rule certain ideas or concepts or understands moot or inoperable, while revealing other concepts or views that withstand cross examination. That’s one of my favorite parts of engaging in discussions here, formulating what I think is a coherent position and throwing it out there, to see how it stands up to scrutiny. Almost like DJT’s “A-B” testing to find out what works better, except we usually start out with a more developed understanding of an issue here, whereas DJT is often testing words and phrases for ‘branding’ or other persuasive effect.

                It seems difficult to effectively advocate for something (a point of view) without a tacit assumption that changing someone’s mind — if they are in opposition or agnostic — is part of the argument/debate process. If someone is in agreement, then it wouldn’t really be ‘arguing’ or ‘debate’, it would be more like mutual reinforcement.

                The example that came to me with regard to changing someone’s mind is Paul, when he went to Mars Hill, and saw the monument to the unknown god. Paul hoped to change minds, to advocate for the cause of Christ.

                Now Paul would also say that he preached not with the wisdom or words of men, but he preached the power of God and Christ crucified (cf. 1 Corinthians 1:23).

                “And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: [5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:4-5, boldface emphasis mine)

                It is God’s Word (living and powerful, cf. Hebrews 4:12) that reaches the heart and mind, not the wisdom or arguments of men, but it still has to be presented. It certainly helps to know where someone is in their understanding, e.g., when Philip understood that the Ethiopian eunuch was reading from Isaiah, and “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.”

                Paul was also an eloquent and flexible orator, changing his approach to match his audience:

                ……………………….
                “For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. [20] And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” (1 Corinthians 9:19-22, KJV)
                ………………………..

                These are all Scriptural examples of changing (or opening) minds, but the it would seem to apply to secular subjects as well. There may be some difference between how men and women (generally) approach debate too, due to competitive nature.

                But then I’m reminded of Scott Adams’ perspective, that rational debate is usually pointless, because while people want to believe they are logical and rational, usually they’re not (at least when it comes to issues worth debate), which is why his particular interest in the ‘science of persuasion’ is so interesting. It doesn’t approach controversy from a logic standpoint, but more by framing a discussion in a way that gets past the natural resistance or defenses common to standard debate. I probably didn’t explain that very well, I don’t have a thorough understanding of his subject specialty, and I fell out of the habit of following his regular comments (which reminds me to start doing so again, it is very interesting).

                Adams’ approach appears to be incredibly efficient and effective (he says DJT uses these techniques extensively and better than anyone he has seen, IIRC). It seems good to understand his techniques so you are not as susceptible to being manipulated by them, but it is difficult to abandon the logical argument approach, because it’s tantamount to admitting that people don’t use logic or reason, and that’s very depressing 😁

                So… it’s complicated!

                I like what you are doing better. Arguing to sharpen your own understanding and to change your own mind if necessary. That is a purer pursuit of enlightenment 👍

                It reminds me of a quote from an old Townhall.com article I saved an occasionally reference, by columnist Gregory Koukl, called “The Intolerance of Tolerance” (a.k.a. “The Myth of Tolerance”):

                …………………………
                “Most of what passes for tolerance today is nothing more than intellectual cowardice, a fear of intelligent engagement.

                Those who brandish the word “intolerant” are unwilling to be challenged by other views or grapple with contrary opinions, or even to consider them. It’s easier to hurl an insult – “you intolerant bigot” – than to confront an idea and either refute it or be changed by it.”
                …………………………

                .

                “I love this board for that very reason. Thank you for sharing this, Elizabeth”

                ___________________

                Thank you for the thought provoking discussion 🙂

                Have a good evening!

                Scott

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  14. THREAD

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    1. POTUS discussion of miltary industrial complex gets me worried for his safety. Esp today when he said people that want us there make money off it. He must be fairly secure in their weakness to state it so plainly.

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      1. Your post reminded me of Praying Medic’s request that Prayer Warriors pray for POTUS’ safety tomorrow. I know I posted earlier, asking for your prayers, and I know many here pray everyday and don’t need a reminder…

        But given the desperation of the DIMs (and the Cabal), I feel the need for extra prayers for POTUS’ protection and safety, as well as that of his family and those who stand with him in this Spiritual war we are engaged in…

        Oh, and VP is still out of the country. Please add him to your prayers.

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    2. Fraud News was the reason I finally canceled cable.

      They were the last channel I even watched, and there was so much gaslighting and genuflecting to Leftists that I couldn’t even watch that last channel without wanting to throw a brick through my TV set.

      I told the cable company to shut it off, and I told them exactly why when they asked, that the Left had politicized EVERY channel, even the sports — everything Leftist insanity, all the time.

      Shut it off.

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  15. POTUS discussion of miltary industrial complex gets me worried for his safety. Esp today when he said people that want us there make money off it. He must be fairly secure in their weakness to state it so plainly.

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    1. I think having a Chinese spouse contributes to a number of his decisions.

      Cage rattler that I am, I suggest he looks out for Mitch every opportunity he can.

      Q said something interesting… more than once. “Look at the wives” and many of us have. (Q’s not talking about physical appearance, but their connections, what they do, where they’re from, where they went to school.) Have you looked at Chuckie’s wife? NYC mayor’s spouse? Short story… from their ‘profile’ they appear to be “handlers” not spouses.

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    2. I’m torn on McConnell. I realize he can’t be trusted completely, but he has been great on getting judges confirmed. And the Senate override vote is going nowhere because there clearly are not 67 votes. So McConnell’s holding that vote is not in hopes it will pass. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he might be doing it for other reasons: to get people’s votes on the record or to “cooperate” on a non-issue and save the issues he won’t cooperate on for later (like filling a SCOTUS seat in a presidential election year if that comes up).

      I also think that, if he is willing to hold an impeachment trial, it plays right into the Trump administration’s hands because the last thing the Dems want is for evidence to be brought out in a trial. And they won’t have control over that in the Senate. Telegraphing to them now that that is what will happen is sending a strong message.

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      1. I would never have guessed yesterday, Never have believed that all but 60 GOP would vote against
        President Trump today and with Pelosi!

        Makes me wonder about the judges…who is vetting the judges? Who has vetted the vetters? What are their standards?

        Wives…mitt romneys wife? Mike Lee’s wife?

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  16. I’m not gonna name any names but some folks here really need to sharpen their critical thinking skills.

    Why would McConnell be telling the press if the House votes to impeach he will hold a trial in the a Senate?

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    1. A: McConnell wants the Dims to vote on impeachment because the only way they can pass it is if every dem votes for it.

      Why? Because no Republican who wants to win re-election will do so.

      Why won’t it pass? Why won’t Nancy hold the vote?

      A: Because of the result of the vote. There will be no Republican who votes in favor because that Republican would be primaried out of office. Meanwhile, while democrats only need a simple majority to impeach, they will only be able to do so by party-line vote….meaning that the vote to impeach would be entirely and 100% partisan, while the vote against would be BI-PARTISAN.

      Why would the vote against be bi-partisan??

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      1. Oops….my opening statement here isn’t correct. Dems have 235 in the House to the GOP’s 197 (there is 1 independent, plus two vacancies….* Duffy (R), WI resigned effective 09/23/2019 and *Collins, Chris (R), NY resigned effective 09/30/2019). Total is 433. Simple majority wins. So a vote that wins by 1 vote means 217 to 216.

        Dems need 217 votes to impeach.

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      2. A: the vote against impeachment would be bi-partisan because dims in vulnerable red state seats will NOT vote themselves out of office, plus dims are DESPERATE to keep control of the House.

        Ergo, Pelosi will not bring a vote for impeachment to the House floor.

        McConnell knows this.

        By repeating telling the press he will hold an impeachment trial if the House votes to impeach, McConnell riles up the dem base who then DEMAND Pelosi to hold a vote, which she does NOT want to do. If Pelosi does not hold a vote, the rabid dem base goes berserk and demands her head.

        By telling the public he will hold a senate trial, McConnell is making life miserable for the duplicitous d-rat leadership.

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          1. Plus, the bastard manages to look magnanimous and non-partisan in the process (“I will have no choice but to hold a trial because the Constitution requires it.”).

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    2. This now brings me to the tomorrow’s vote to try to overturn PDJT’s veto re: the resolution to undo his emergency declaration re: the border.

      Did you know?

      Democrats can force a vote on this every 6 months, and the last time they did so was in March (which failed, btw). It’s democrats who are forcing this vote tomorrow, and McConnell has no choice but to hold the vote. As in March, it will fail. Watch.

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      1. “McConnell has no choice but to hold the vote”

        I don’t believe this is the case. From this report (bolding mine):
        https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/2b1325dc-6a6b-42c4-9a08-506c3a59a251.pdf
        ____________________
        [House:]
        If the override vote on a House or Senate bill is unsuccessful, then the House informs the Senate of this fact and typically refers the bill and veto message to committee. If the House votes to override a veto of a bill that originated in the House (H.R. or H.J. Res.), the bill and veto message are sent to the Senate for action. If the House successfully overrides a veto of a bill that originated in the Senate (S. or S.J. Res.), then the bill becomes law, because two-thirds of both chambers have agreed to override the veto.

        Senate Procedure Overview
        If the Senate wishes to reconsider a vetoed bill, Senators generally enter into a unanimous consent agreement that the message be considered as read, printed in the Congressional Record, and, as required by the Constitution, entered in the Senate Journal. Senators often also agree, by unanimous consent, to limit time for debate on the question of overridin the veto. When the Senate receives a vetoed measure from the President or the House,
        ____________________

        Here is an example of a veto override voted on by the House that was not taken up by the Senate:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes
        “October 7, 2000: Vetoed H.R. 4733, Energy and Water Appropriations Act, 2001. Overridden by House, 315–98 on October 11 (276 needed). No attempt made in Senate.”

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  17. Kevin McCarthy dished on Laura’s show about meeting…It was all planned.

    POTUS hands out his Turkey letter, Nervous Nancy doesn’t read, turns over flat to show she won’t and starts to smile.
    POTUS calls her out, Nancy, why are you laughing, this is a serious item?
    Joint Chief General says he removed some men in danger So they wouldn’t be harmed.
    Dems would ask a question and SECDEF would start talking, and they’d interrupt, NO! The President has to answer!
    Upon leaving she threatened “You just watch what we’ll do”

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  18. BTW, DP…I have the good news of knowing the couple who are now living in Margaret Sanger’s estate. And they could not be more Conservative, Republican, and pro-life!!!!!!

    Amen!

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